God help me, I've become a social democrat

[Gandalf]

Was Saddam do what he was supposed to? He did gas people before and refusing to give weapons inspectors a free pass sealed his fate...simple as that.


Listen miles, I don't like W, I am not defending his reasons for going to war I'm merely saying it's possible we were already on track to fight with Iraq anyway and after 9/11 just gave us the green light to do it.....Clinton was talking about military action vs Iraq before he left office....the only thing was W tried to take over the entire country(bad idea) with too few troops and no knowledge of the cultures there.


In the end there is a reason that is justafiable for military action vs Iraq...is wasn't the one they used but hey we could have just said "We don't like the way they are looking at us" it doesn't really change things too much at this point




Where's the outrage about LBJ?!?!?! That war was a TON more costly in lives and casualties but nobody ever mentions how bogus the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was. Or how about the Bay of Pigs Oh that was BRILLIANT but nooo we just won't talk abotu that because if we did then we couldn't pretend to be as shocked as we are about Iraq.

I'm not vacuous I'm just making a different point which IS valid, and I'm not saying there were WMD's obviously there weren't but hey the threat was there and Saddam didn't do his job to stop us which would have been nonviolent, peaceful, and maybe have built a bridge of trust between us after all we put him in power there

The highlighted part makes a case for invading pretty much every country in the world.

Actually, what follows isnt connected but I will talk anyway. I live in the strange land where hundreds of thousands took to the streets to protest against the import of "polluted" US beef. Apparently it was infected with mad cow disease and everyone was going to die. Utter bollocks of course, but perpetuated through the media here and peoples general ignorance. These protests went on for fucking weeks and even now I cannot get access to cheap, decent US beef.

Meanwhile, China has this scandal with melamine infecting each and every product. Korea is right next door and has of course been affected. Now where are the protests and mass rallies? Nobody's talking about it. Nobody cares. Utter nonsense I tell you. Koreans seem to be infected with hypocrisy more than anything else.

So if the US wants to invade somewhere because people are looking at them the wrong way, then they are welcome to start here. South of the border. Dont border with them in the North.

I just want a reasonably priced steak!

Miles, I on my part is enraged with China. If it is only possible, I would not buy products from China or products with ingredients coming from China.

FYI miles, we are talking about the issues in China. It's even possible that my country will try to lessen importation from China. China needs to be responsible with how they make their products. There are no rallies because it's impractical to do it. Issues like importation from China is resolved through government action not through rallies.

Korea is all about public protests. But the point I was making, in a roundabout way, was the hypocrisy of the people who protest about perfectly safe US beef and then dont protest against actually quite dangerous Chinese products.

There is a bullshit factor which I find difficult to find any logic in. Koreans have a chip on their shoulder regarding the US and find any way they can to vent it. Its not something I approve of, and I can find a number of examples of it if anybody would ever like to get into that sometime.

So in conclusion I would like to see Seoul nuked. Preferably with me at a safe distance.

Nah, Im just kidding with that final part.