LOL. At least were not racist, just nationalistQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
We're much more likely to dislike you for being American than for being black.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
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LOL. At least were not racist, just nationalistQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHWe're much more likely to dislike you for being American than for being black.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
damn, bells are ringing. That remark is going to cost me sleep trying to figure out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
When the term "slave trade" is used it usually refers to the TransAtlantic Slave Trade where slaves were brought from Africa to America, America shipped goods the slaves helped produce to Europe, Europe brought goods they produced with the goods America sent them to Africa to buy off tribal leaders and get more slaves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Formerly D@vid Leeder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:T...trade_euro.png
We've all done it mate, said or thought something when stooping down to the level of placing someone of one race into the old "OH them" basket".Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
You have learned the lesson,so be free from it ,it has served its purpose.
You would never go there again ,so that was a blessing.
Don't carry any guilt with you into the future or its self defeating, no need for any punishment ,even self inflicted guilt styled ones, if the lessons are learnt ,the job was well done, however harsh the process.Thats life its why we are here ;).
Racism is just the result of a lazy mind
I appreciate the thought. Perhaps I overstated the situation. I doesn't keep me awake at night, the things I did years ago. Just a few little pangs of regret I guess, when I do think of it. cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreWe've all done it mate, said or thought something when stooping down to the level of placing someone of one race into the old "OH them" basket".Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
You have learned the lesson,so be free from it ,it has served its purpose.
You would never go there again ,so that was a blessing.
Don't carry any guilt with you into the future or its self defeating, no need for any punishment ,even self inflicted guilt styled ones, if the lessons are learnt ,the job was well done, however harsh the process.Thats life its why we are here ;).
Racism comes in all skin tones
I was watching a fight when typing my response and they showed Duran in the crowd. The guy looks like he ate Roberto Duran, fists of stone and all. He's easily over 200 pounds. Maybe 250.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGMdamn, bells are ringing. That remark is going to cost me sleep trying to figure out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
I just threw on my faux Canadian accent to throw 'em off my scent.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHWe're much more likely to dislike you for being American than for being black.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
You should be fine then. Just talk about hockey and beer and you'll fit right in.Quote:
Originally Posted by KillfaceI just threw on my faux Canadian accent to throw 'em off my scent.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHWe're much more likely to dislike you for being American than for being black.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
Damn,Im an Islanders fan,so therefore dont wish to discuss HockeyQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHYou should be fine then. Just talk about hockey and beer and you'll fit right in.Quote:
Originally Posted by KillfaceI just threw on my faux Canadian accent to throw 'em off my scent.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I just threw in 'eh' at the end of every other sentence. I used to think that was a stereotype. Man, was I wrong.
It is a fairly accurate stereotype, I find it is used most frequently by the middle-aged generation (35-50), but pretty much everyone uses it. We don't even notice that we do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
If you stay here for an extended period of time, it'll find it's way into your vocabulary as well, its inevitable.
My wife and I giggled about it, but we found it really simple to slip into while we were there. Good thing Canadians don't do crack on a regular basis.
The Islanders are a terrible franchise. They can't do anything right. The Dipeitro (sp) contract is going to be an albatros, and what they did at the draft this year would be laughable if it wasn't so sad. Trading a top 5 pick, which Toronto used to draft stud defenseman Luc Schenn, then trading the #7 pick to Nashville for the #9 pick, and drafting Josh Bailey!?! As a Canucks fans I was overjoyed that they didn't take Hodgson (who is destroying the OHL), but I felt so sorry for Islanders fans at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyDamn,Im an Islanders fan,so therefore dont wish to discuss HockeyQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHYou should be fine then. Just talk about hockey and beer and you'll fit right in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
WHere I live, crack is very serious problem to be honest, in Vancouver it is even worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
Well in that case, Vancouver here I come.
How we could go from the top of the line,to ,I dont even need to check the standings,I know where we are,is beyond meQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHThe Islanders are a terrible franchise. They can't do anything right. The Dipeitro (sp) contract is going to be an albatros, and what they did at the draft this year would be laughable if it wasn't so sad. Trading a top 5 pick, which Toronto used to draft stud defenseman Luc Schenn, then trading the #7 pick to Nashville for the #9 pick, and drafting Josh Bailey!?! As a Canucks fans I was overjoyed that they didn't take Hodgson (who is destroying the OHL), but I felt so sorry for Islanders fans at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyDamn,Im an Islanders fan,so therefore dont wish to discuss HockeyQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
If crack (or heroin, or meth) are your thing, I suggest the downtown eastside. Nasty place, it has the highest rates of HIV/AIDS infection in all of North America I believe. I talked to a guy from NYC who said it was as rough as any part if NYC he had seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
Well in that case, I'll stay away. I like my crack a la carte.
Having watched a number of Islanders-games this season, I actually think Bailey is gonna be good. Maybe still a bad deal by the management, but if Bailey pans out like he looks like he will, then worse decisions must surely have been made. Especially as they got a couple of extra picks out of it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHThe Islanders are a terrible franchise. They can't do anything right. The Dipeitro (sp) contract is going to be an albatros, and what they did at the draft this year would be laughable if it wasn't so sad. Trading a top 5 pick, which Toronto used to draft stud defenseman Luc Schenn, then trading the #7 pick to Nashville for the #9 pick, and drafting Josh Bailey!?! As a Canucks fans I was overjoyed that they didn't take Hodgson (who is destroying the OHL), but I felt so sorry for Islanders fans at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyDamn,Im an Islanders fan,so therefore dont wish to discuss HockeyQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Also, considering how bad, they are supposed to be, they do pretty good at the moment.
[So is Vancouver!]
Anyway, way off-topic for a discussion on the treatment of the blacks in the UK...
We shout things at them and hit them with sticks :cool:
We don't really. I'd like to think equally, altho i can't imagine that's the case up and down the country. Some people have some crazy ways of thinking. It's quite scary. I watched 'This is England' last night and it's scary to think that some people think like that. It's such a powerful film because i think everybody knows somebody who shares similar sort of opinions to the crazy skin head in the film....maybe not as extreme but stil..
I just think skin colour is a random thing to pick up on. It's almost as random as hair colour and eye colour, except skin colour is more obvious.
I'll never understand how people can be grouped together and labelled like that. The fact that you've started this thread suggests that it's a common conception.
My dad for example....
I was talking to my next door neighbours boyfriend who is black. Anyway it was the first time i'd met him and he came across as a nice lad. When i went inside i turned to my dad and said 'he's a nice lad int he' and he replied 'yeah i don't have a problem with any of them' :-\
It's scary. I wouldn't even really consider him racist but in his head he had definitely created an 'us and them' mentality.
I really don't think the media help. I remember reading a paper a few months ago and a black man had stabbed somebody to death and it was front page news, with 3 or 4 follow on pages about it. Then somewhere in the middle of the paper was a tiny 2 paragraph column about a white man who had stabbed somebody and put them in intensive care. Imagine the chaos that that headline can create. Obviously that's what sells papers and makes them money but you have to question the mentality such headlines instill.
Bailey will be good, he's a good prospect, but considering the Islanders had the opportunity to take one of Schenn, Filatov, Wilson, Hodgson, or even Beach instead, it was a bad move IMO. It did gain them more pics in a somewhat deep draft, but passing on those blue-chippers will haunt them someday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikkel_KHaving watched a number of Islanders-games this season, I actually think Bailey is gonna be good. Maybe still a bad deal by the management, but if Bailey pans out like he looks like he will, then worse decisions must surely have been made. Especially as they got a couple of extra picks out of it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHThe Islanders are a terrible franchise. They can't do anything right. The Dipeitro (sp) contract is going to be an albatros, and what they did at the draft this year would be laughable if it wasn't so sad. Trading a top 5 pick, which Toronto used to draft stud defenseman Luc Schenn, then trading the #7 pick to Nashville for the #9 pick, and drafting Josh Bailey!?! As a Canucks fans I was overjoyed that they didn't take Hodgson (who is destroying the OHL), but I felt so sorry for Islanders fans at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Also, considering how bad, they are supposed to be, they do pretty good at the moment.
[So is Vancouver!]
Anyway, way off-topic for a discussion on the treatment of the blacks in the UK...
But yeah, this has nothing to do with the thread, so we can pick it up in the NHL thread if you want.
Fair enough, but compared to the numbers that stayed, it wouldn't necessarily be called "mass", (moot point if you ask me). However, I wasn't as specific as I should have been- I'm talking about current population trends, as I meant there are no current trends of mass movement to Africa by the descendants of slaves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyActually Sierra Leone and Liberia were founded by freed slavesQuote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheitNone of this,Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
"American slaves used to be routinely whipped to the bone, and children would be routinely stolen from their mothers for training purposes or selling purposes.
The shacks they lived in, are all gone mostly, except those that have been preserved, they were built so s-y"
disproves my point. All that "routine" behavior is completely typical of how human beings treat those that are "enslaved" to them. Because of the time period, their standard of living, (however sh$tty), was still better than those that came before them.
There is no historical data other than that associated with Nazi's, and the Bible (if you accept it as a credible source) that concludes or says that any group of people had it worse than the Jews.
But, you're the one who's going to give me a history lesson, so let's have all of your evidence that disproves anything I just stated.
Also, to the original point of the thread, there's never been a time in history when a conquered people (slaves), were freed because of the conscience of their captors, and then (this part is the exception; the slaves did not lead the revolt as in previous slave wars), the captors go to war with each other over their emancipation and consequently over 618,000 die. So I give kudos to the people of that century for having the presence of mind to end a brutal human practice, but I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment and all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all. Just think, without slavery, they'd still be on the wonderful continent of Africa. As truly glorious as I'm sure some places in Africa are, I don't see any mass movement of blacks back to Africa. They live in the greatest country in history and are afforded the greatest opportunity history- they should be thankful everyday for the sacrifices that put them here, just like everybody else who lives here.
If you would read all the posts you would see that this statement was clarified. The word "better" implies a sense of humanity that was definitely not intended, I was making a point about how they, because of the time period, had a better standard of living than any other previous enslaved group, and is probably much like how the modern enslaved (Sudan, Indonesia, Middle East) are living now.Quote:
Originally Posted by KillfaceThis is a very shitty thing to say. That's like saying the woman who was raped and kissed on the cheek was treated better than the woman who was raped and dumped in an alley. I don't think either would equate anything about the whole experience as being treated "better".Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
Ask any one of those slaves who were dumped in the Atlantic ocean if they thought they were getting a better shake. Ask the one who was hobbled to keep him from running away. Ask the one who was raped repeatedly by her master or ask the one who was lynched for some minor offense, either real or imaginary. No, the word "better" does not apply.
Even if you could afford to move to Africa,which most African Americans cant, why would you?Quote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheitFair enough, but compared to the numbers that stayed, it wouldn't necessarily be called "mass", (moot point if you ask me). However, I wasn't as specific as I should have been- I'm talking about current population trends, as I meant there are no current trends of mass movement to Africa by the descendants of slaves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyActually Sierra Leone and Liberia were founded by freed slavesQuote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheit
You dont speak the language,there's political strife over most of the continent thanks to most of the puppet governments the US and Britain set up. And its hotter then hell.
I know something about this,I lived in Florida for a year,and even that was like landing on a different planet.
I'll say it again: that's the same thing as saying a woman who was raped in her own bed was treated better than the woman who was raped in an alley. The word 'better' hardly seems appropriate in such a terrible situation. I read all the posts, I know exactly what you meant. I'm not implying anything about you, I'm simply stating the word 'better' is inappropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheitIf you would read all the posts you would see that this statement was clarified. The word "better" implies a sense of humanity that was definitely not intended, I was making a point about how they, because of the time period, had a better standard of living than any other previous enslaved group, and is probably much like how the modern enslaved (Sudan, Indonesia, Middle East) are living now.Quote:
Originally Posted by KillfaceThis is a very shitty thing to say. That's like saying the woman who was raped and kissed on the cheek was treated better than the woman who was raped and dumped in an alley. I don't think either would equate anything about the whole experience as being treated "better".Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
Ask any one of those slaves who were dumped in the Atlantic ocean if they thought they were getting a better shake. Ask the one who was hobbled to keep him from running away. Ask the one who was raped repeatedly by her master or ask the one who was lynched for some minor offense, either real or imaginary. No, the word "better" does not apply.
What metaphorical "blindfold" are you talking about? The one you're wearing? Show me all the pictures of brutality you want, as I said before, humans treat other humans like shit when they cease to assign any humanity to them, the heinous treatment of black people is no different than the heinous treatment of blacks to whites or Mexicans to El Salvadorans or whatever example of any demographic against another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
Within in the last month or so, locally, there was a white lady who was raped and beaten to death in her home and all the guy took was her purse. So, seemingly he raped and beat her to death just for her purse. Now how is that example of cruelty and brutality any different than any other on the planet? It's not. I'll agree with you and say that children are a special category, but any example of cruelty or brutality stemming from someone's social class, race, or religious/sexual preference is all universally the same thing.
I realize this is an emotional issue, and perhaps it's emotion that keeps you from accurately reading what I've written...
"but I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment and all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all."
this isn't a generalization, this is very specific. "I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment AND all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all."
I honestly can't see what you're missing here so I'll break it down for you:
i'm saying that I find fault with black people in today's society that cite mistreatment as the reason they can't be successful, and use the President-elect as an example that black people can attain anything they want in America, that's it's not a problem of opportunity.
Not to be redundant, but just so we're clear, I'm exclusively talking about only the aforementioned black people, not all black people. Once again, if you had bothered to read the other posts, I mentioned that my last four bosses were black, and they're definitely successful people, and the funny thing is, most of what I have to say comes from them.
In the future, please read everything carefully before you find anything "deeply offensive" and allow your emotions to get the better of you, and allow you to read things that just aren't there.
So I look at your photo's and video's above and I see terrible, unforgivable things that are universal, unique to no one, and are as old as time.
See here's where we run in to a problemQuote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheitWhat metaphorical "blindfold" are you talking about? The one you're wearing? Show me all the pictures of brutality you want, as I said before, humans treat other humans like shit when they cease to assign any humanity to them, the heinous treatment of black people is no different than the heinous treatment of blacks to whites or Mexicans to El Salvadorans or whatever example of any demographic against another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
Within in the last month or so, locally, there was a white lady who was raped and beaten to death in her home and all the guy took was her purse. So, seemingly he raped and beat her to death just for her purse. Now how is that example of cruelty and brutality any different than any other on the planet? It's not. I'll agree with you and say that children are a special category, but any example of cruelty or brutality stemming from someone's social class, race, or religious/sexual preference is all universally the same thing.
I realize this is an emotional issue, and perhaps it's emotion that keeps you from accurately reading what I've written...
"but I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment and all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all."
this isn't a generalization, this is very specific. "I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment AND all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all."
I honestly can't see what you're missing here so I'll break it down for you:
i'm saying that I find fault with black people in today's society that cite mistreatment as the reason they can't be successful, and use the President-elect as an example that black people can attain anything they want in America, that's it's not a problem of opportunity.
Not to be redundant, but just so we're clear, I'm exclusively talking about only the aforementioned black people, not all black people. Once again, if you had bothered to read the other posts, I mentioned that my last four bosses were black, and they're definitely successful people, and the funny thing is, most of what I have to say comes from them.
In the future, please read everything carefully before you find anything "deeply offensive" and allow your emotions to get the better of you, and allow you to read things that just aren't there.
So I look at your photo's and video's above and I see terrible, unforgivable things that are universal, unique to no one, and are as old as time.
There isnt an official "Get Whitey League"
But there is a Klan
And an Aryan Nations
And A Christian Posse Comitatus
LOL- the CPC, are they still around? Just in prisons?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeySee here's where we run in to a problemQuote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheitWhat metaphorical "blindfold" are you talking about? The one you're wearing? Show me all the pictures of brutality you want, as I said before, humans treat other humans like shit when they cease to assign any humanity to them, the heinous treatment of black people is no different than the heinous treatment of blacks to whites or Mexicans to El Salvadorans or whatever example of any demographic against another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
Within in the last month or so, locally, there was a white lady who was raped and beaten to death in her home and all the guy took was her purse. So, seemingly he raped and beat her to death just for her purse. Now how is that example of cruelty and brutality any different than any other on the planet? It's not. I'll agree with you and say that children are a special category, but any example of cruelty or brutality stemming from someone's social class, race, or religious/sexual preference is all universally the same thing.
I realize this is an emotional issue, and perhaps it's emotion that keeps you from accurately reading what I've written...
"but I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment and all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all."
this isn't a generalization, this is very specific. "I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment AND all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all."
I honestly can't see what you're missing here so I'll break it down for you:
i'm saying that I find fault with black people in today's society that cite mistreatment as the reason they can't be successful, and use the President-elect as an example that black people can attain anything they want in America, that's it's not a problem of opportunity.
Not to be redundant, but just so we're clear, I'm exclusively talking about only the aforementioned black people, not all black people. Once again, if you had bothered to read the other posts, I mentioned that my last four bosses were black, and they're definitely successful people, and the funny thing is, most of what I have to say comes from them.
In the future, please read everything carefully before you find anything "deeply offensive" and allow your emotions to get the better of you, and allow you to read things that just aren't there.
So I look at your photo's and video's above and I see terrible, unforgivable things that are universal, unique to no one, and are as old as time.
There isnt an official "Get Whitey League"
But there is a Klan
And an Aryan Nations
And A Christian Posse Comitatus
Based on the per ca pita black on white crime vs. white on black crime, you tell me who is being murderous to whom...
and after this, what possible credibility could the white supremacists have:
David Duke, the rapper
And uh, the Media would be the largest "Get Whitey League" out there.
The NBPP, Black liberation theology, and the Trinity United Church of
Christ's adopted Black Value System is just as bad as any current version of those groups. All inherently racist, although I do agree with the Black Value System, it's just that if you changed the word "black" to "white" you'd have something similar to mission statements of all the white groups.
You'd be suprised how much gas the CPC still has in its tank,they have little hell whole all over central PAQuote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheitLOL- the CPC, are they still around? Just in prisons?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeySee here's where we run in to a problemQuote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheit
There isnt an official "Get Whitey League"
But there is a Klan
And an Aryan Nations
And A Christian Posse Comitatus
Based on the per ca pita black on white crime vs. white on black crime, you tell me who is being murderous to whom...
and after this, what possible credibility could the white supremacists have:
David Duke, the rapper
And uh, the Media would be the largest "Get Whitey League" out there.
The NBPP, Black liberation theology, and the Trinity United Church of
Christ's adopted Black Value System is just as bad as any current version of those groups. All inherently racist, although I do agree with the Black Value System, it's just that if you changed the word "black" to "white" you'd have something similar to mission statements of all the white groups.
And how could the media be the biggest "get whitey league" they made stars out of talentless hacks like Lindsay Lohan,and Keanu Reeves. Unless getting whitey involves putting them up in mansions and making them filthy rich
I think I was very clear by my meaning. By stating 'modern day blacks' that is a general statement. And perhaps you need to reread what I wrote, because I partially agreed with you. There ARE some black people who whine, but you just threw that statement out without any qualification. That would be just like me writing 'modern day white people are racist'. That's talking about white people in general, not specific. Having a black president is irrelevant. It does not stop ANYONE from being racist; whoever was yesterday still is today.Quote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheitWhat metaphorical "blindfold" are you talking about? The one you're wearing? Show me all the pictures of brutality you want, as I said before, humans treat other humans like shit when they cease to assign any humanity to them, the heinous treatment of black people is no different than the heinous treatment of blacks to whites or Mexicans to El Salvadorans or whatever example of any demographic against another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
Within in the last month or so, locally, there was a white lady who was raped and beaten to death in her home and all the guy took was her purse. So, seemingly he raped and beat her to death just for her purse. Now how is that example of cruelty and brutality any different than any other on the planet? It's not. I'll agree with you and say that children are a special category, but any example of cruelty or brutality stemming from someone's social class, race, or religious/sexual preference is all universally the same thing.
I realize this is an emotional issue, and perhaps it's emotion that keeps you from accurately reading what I've written...
"but I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment and all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all."
this isn't a generalization, this is very specific. "I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment AND all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all."
I honestly can't see what you're missing here so I'll break it down for you:
i'm saying that I find fault with black people in today's society that cite mistreatment as the reason they can't be successful, and use the President-elect as an example that black people can attain anything they want in America, that's it's not a problem of opportunity.
Not to be redundant, but just so we're clear, I'm exclusively talking about only the aforementioned black people, not all black people. Once again, if you had bothered to read the other posts, I mentioned that my last four bosses were black, and they're definitely successful people, and the funny thing is, most of what I have to say comes from them.
In the future, please read everything carefully before you find anything "deeply offensive" and allow your emotions to get the better of you, and allow you to read things that just aren't there.
So I look at your photo's and video's above and I see terrible, unforgivable things that are universal, unique to no one, and are as old as time.
And by 'stripping the blindfold' I think I offered an argument in refutation of your 'modern day blacks' statement by citing pictures of 'modern day blacks' who were murdered for no better reason than because they were black. So are they whiners?
And this business of what blacks do to whites is a separate issue. I don't think the thread has anything to do with that, but it is definitely an interesting topic worth starting. But essentially saying 'they do it to us too' is not a valid argument. One of the foundations this country was built on was institutionalized racism. Last I checked black people were never in control of the machinations of government and used them to grind down their white counterparts. But that is something experienced by 'modern day blacks' by governments run in whole or in large part, by whites. Segregated water fountains, being snatched off the street and beaten by police, the Tuskegee Syphillis Experiments all within the last 100 years- would any of those people be classified as whiners?
Essentially you're saying black people don't have anything to complain about because we got it so good and that's not what being an American is about. The love it or leave it attitude is ass backwards because that isn't what America was founded on.
Of course what racism is is a tool to not see a fellow human being as a human being. I'm not saying it isn't. But what has gone on in this country is a little more particular than just not seeing someone as human. It went on a little longer than it should have for that to be said and it went a lot deeper. For me to just walk up to another person and blow his brains out I have to not see him as a human being. That's not the same thing as that hate for that person being passed down inter-generationally and installed into me because of race. Racism is more specific than simply dehumanizing someone.
Keanu- horrible. Just horrible. Did you know they're actually making a Point Break 2?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyYou'd be suprised how much gas the CPC still has in its tank,they have little hell whole all over central PAQuote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheitLOL- the CPC, are they still around? Just in prisons?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Based on the per ca pita black on white crime vs. white on black crime, you tell me who is being murderous to whom...
and after this, what possible credibility could the white supremacists have:
David Duke, the rapper
And uh, the Media would be the largest "Get Whitey League" out there.
The NBPP, Black liberation theology, and the Trinity United Church of
Christ's adopted Black Value System is just as bad as any current version of those groups. All inherently racist, although I do agree with the Black Value System, it's just that if you changed the word "black" to "white" you'd have something similar to mission statements of all the white groups.
And how could the media be the biggest "get whitey league" they made stars out of talentless hacks like Lindsay Lohan,and Keanu Reeves. Unless getting whitey involves putting them up in mansions and making them filthy rich
But here's where we're going to split hairs over the entertainment industry versus the news media; I would argue that it was the former not the later that makes "stars" out of completely meaningless people, but it's news media that demonizes people. My direct point about the media was that they lead the charge for blaming white America for the nation's problems, especially the problems of minorities and special interest groups.
But that's a completely different thread.
See,you really cant seperate the two, the same AP news wire that let me know repeatedly about Jesse Jacksons illegitimate child,is the exact same news wire thats going to beat me over the head over and over with Paris Hilton's latest exploits.Quote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheitKeanu- horrible. Just horrible. Did you know they're actually making a Point Break 2?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyYou'd be suprised how much gas the CPC still has in its tank,they have little hell whole all over central PAQuote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheit
And how could the media be the biggest "get whitey league" they made stars out of talentless hacks like Lindsay Lohan,and Keanu Reeves. Unless getting whitey involves putting them up in mansions and making them filthy rich
But here's where we're going to split hairs over the entertainment industry versus the news media; I would argue that it was the former not the later that makes "stars" out of completely meaningless people, but it's news media that demonizes people. My direct point about the media was that they lead the charge for blaming white America for the nation's problems, especially the problems of minorities and special interest groups.
But that's a completely different thread.
Its all on the AP wire.
And I concur Keannu Reeves is the worst actor who has ever gotten to become a star,ever. Not only can he not act his way out of a brown paper bag,if you cast him as the brown paper bag,he wouldnt be believable in the role
I dunno about that. He was pretty convincing as Ted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeySee,you really cant seperate the two, the same AP news wire that let me know repeatedly about Jesse Jacksons illegitimate child,is the exact same news wire thats going to beat me over the head over and over with Paris Hilton's latest exploits.Quote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheitKeanu- horrible. Just horrible. Did you know they're actually making a Point Break 2?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
But here's where we're going to split hairs over the entertainment industry versus the news media; I would argue that it was the former not the later that makes "stars" out of completely meaningless people, but it's news media that demonizes people. My direct point about the media was that they lead the charge for blaming white America for the nation's problems, especially the problems of minorities and special interest groups.
But that's a completely different thread.
Its all on the AP wire.
And I concur Keannu Reeves is the worst actor who has ever gotten to become a star,ever. Not only can he not act his way out of a brown paper bag,if you cast him as the brown paper bag,he wouldnt be believable in the role
Thats part of the problemQuote:
Originally Posted by KillfaceI dunno about that. He was pretty convincing as Ted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeySee,you really cant seperate the two, the same AP news wire that let me know repeatedly about Jesse Jacksons illegitimate child,is the exact same news wire thats going to beat me over the head over and over with Paris Hilton's latest exploits.Quote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheit
Its all on the AP wire.
And I concur Keannu Reeves is the worst actor who has ever gotten to become a star,ever. Not only can he not act his way out of a brown paper bag,if you cast him as the brown paper bag,he wouldnt be believable in the role
I dont think he was acting when he starred in Bill And Ted, I think he was just reading the lines
He's ruined more potentially good films, then the rating system
In direct contrast I think Brad Pitt has actually improved as an actor. In "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button" he seems like he might be showing off his chops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyThats part of the problemQuote:
Originally Posted by KillfaceI dunno about that. He was pretty convincing as Ted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
I dont think he was acting when he starred in Bill And Ted, I think he was just reading the lines
He's ruined more potentially good films, then the rating system
Imagine if Keanu had played his character in the Matrix as Ted. "Duuuude, there is no spoooon."
Pitt often excels when you let him be a total PsychoQuote:
Originally Posted by KillfaceIn direct contrast I think Brad Pitt has actually improved as an actor. In "The Curious Case of Benjamin Button" he seems like he might be showing off his chops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyThats part of the problemQuote:
Originally Posted by Killface
I dont think he was acting when he starred in Bill And Ted, I think he was just reading the lines
He's ruined more potentially good films, then the rating system
Imagine if Keanu had played his character in the Matrix as Ted. "Duuuude, there is no spoooon."
Kalifronia,an episode of Tale From The Crypt,Fight Club,7,12 Monkeys,he's great at that kind of stuff
Agreed. He comes across as a piece of cardboard when he can't emote. He was pretty good in that Jesse James movie too.
[quote=Killface;646540]You are aware that the word "and" is used to conjoin two clauses, right? I'm assuming that by now you've read this at least three times, and each time you've failed to take in both parts of the compound sentence,Quote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheitI think I was very clear by my meaning. By stating 'modern day blacks' that is a general statement. And perhaps you need to reread what I wrote, because I partially agreed with you. There ARE some black people who whine, but you just threw that statement out without any qualification. That would be just like me writing 'modern day white people are racist'. That's talking about white people in general, not specific. Having a black president is irrelevant. It does not stop ANYONE from being racist; whoever was yesterday still is today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
And by 'stripping the blindfold' I think I offered an argument in refutation of your 'modern day blacks' statement by citing pictures of 'modern day blacks' who were murdered for no better reason than because they were black. So are they whiners?
And this business of what blacks do to whites is a separate issue. I don't think the thread has anything to do with that, but it is definitely an interesting topic worth starting. But essentially saying 'they do it to us too' is not a valid argument. One of the foundations this country was built on was institutionalized racism. Last I checked black people were never in control of the machinations of government and used them to grind down their white counterparts. But that is something experienced by 'modern day blacks' by governments run in whole or in large part, by whites. Segregated water fountains, being snatched off the street and beaten by police, the Tuskegee Syphillis Experiments all within the last 100 years- would any of those people be classified as whiners?
Essentially you're saying black people don't have anything to complain about because we got it so good and that's not what being an American is about. The love it or leave it attitude is ass backwards because that isn't what America was founded on.
Of course what racism is is a tool to not see a fellow human being as a human being. I'm not saying it isn't. But what has gone on in this country is a little more particular than just not seeing someone as human. It went on a little longer than it should have for that to be said and it went a lot deeper. For me to just walk up to another person and blow his brains out I have to not see him as a human being. That's not the same thing as that hate for that person being passed down inter-generationally and installed into me because of race. Racism is more specific than simply dehumanizing someone.
( Compound Sentences )
[ pay close attention to #4,
"The linking word shows the relationship between the ideas:
and = the 2nd sentence contains the same type of idea" ].
So, here's the sentence again:
"I also fault the modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment AND all the while are squandering the greatest opportunity in history--we have a black president after all."
Now, typically, when people see the word "and", they realize that the sentence isn't over, and the rest of the idea will be in the second clause.
You're acting as if the sentence ends with the word "mistreatment", completely negating the second part of the sentence. "but you just threw that statement out without any qualification" --either you have no idea what "without any qualification" means or you just refused to read the second clause.
That would be just like me writing 'modern day white people are racist'-- No, my sentence has two things to say whereas yours just has the one:
[ "modern day" "white people" "are" "racist" ] (1 clause)
versus
[ "modern day" "blacks" "who" "whine and complain" "about mistreatment" ] AND
[ "all the while" "are squandering" "the greatest opportunity" "in history" ] --
[ "we have" "a black president" "after all" ]
(3 clauses)
Do you get it now?...
I'm not talking about just "blacks",
nor "modern day blacks",
or just "modern day blacks who whine and complain about mistreatment"
but to be included in my subject, you'd have to be/to:
A. black
B. of the modern era (debatable what this time period actually is)
C. whine and complain about mistreatment
D. currently squandering the greatest opportunity in history
all of these, not just one or two. So, if you're a black person who's not squandering opportunity, and/or not of the modern era, and/or not whining and complaining specifically about mistreatment, then you're not included in my subject. Do you get that? You have to meet all the above criteria... that is very specific, not a generalization.
The statement about the black president is just underscoring the point about opportunity.
What's not in the sentence: any statement or inference that racism is over because of Obama.
Obama just proves there is not a problem of opportunity in America.
Again, if you'd read the previous posts you'd know why I don't think racism will ever go away. Feel free to read them and update your discussion.
"Essentially you're saying black people don't have anything to complain about because we got it so good and that's not what being an American is about. The love it or leave it attitude is ass backwards because that isn't what America was founded on."
The only thing I'm saying is that there's plenty of opportunity for everyone here in America, and that I find fault with Black people who complain about mistreatment instead of capitalizing on it, (only those Black people, not Black people in general, or any other deviation from the subject).
But, I do mostly agree with that statement. I think Black people have plenty to complain about, just like everybody else, but have no reason to not seize opportunity. Black people, like the rest of the US, do have it "so good". A trip to Mexico can prove that, not to mention how much better a life we have compared to the Third World.
So yes, in regard to your "love it or leave it" attitude, anybody that thinks it would be so much better somewhere else, by all means, get the fuck out. If you disagree with that, it's your right. The conversation stops there.
Of course what racism is is a tool to not see a fellow human being as a human being. I'm not saying it isn't. But what has gone on in this country is a little more particular than just not seeing someone as human. It went on a little longer than it should have for that to be said and it went a lot deeper. For me to just walk up to another person and blow his brains out I have to not see him as a human being. That's not the same thing as that hate for that person being passed down inter-generationally and installed into me because of race.
The majority of this paragraph we'll continue to disagree on too. Cruelty and brutality are the same historically and globally. A "racial" killing has no more significance than a "social" killing. Murder is murder, cruelty is cruelty, brutality is brutality, torture is torture, etc... it all falls under the same umbrella. I'm not saying they're the same thing, but, again, one's not more important than the other.
Racism is more specific than simply dehumanizing someone.
No, it's just a specific way of dehumanizing.