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I agree.. it's very annoying that Khan has NOT even proven himself to be the best lightweight in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I can't think of a fighter with more undeserved hype though, the Reebok sponsorship and PPV events, surely his career thus far should not merit such things. Hatton has truely earned his PPV status through attrition, I'm not a fan, but he has fought his way to where he is. You don't see Andre Ward headlining PPV events.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterTo be fair.. Khan was a 17-year-old Olympic silver medalist hailing from Britain - not a place exactly overrun by worldwide boxing champions.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
And he is a very talented fighter.. just has a brain malfunction when it comes to defence and unfortunately possesses one of the most fragile chins ever known to man.
But you have to bear in mind that Britain is tiny compared to the US.. so obviously potential world stars are far more infrequent.
If Andre Ward was British he'd be in Khan's boat.. you could bet your house on that ;)
i never liked andre ward, i hate it when a young fighter is being compared to a great so soon into their career.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI agree.. it's very annoying that Khan has NOT even proven himself to be the best lightweight in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI can't think of a fighter with more undeserved hype though, the Reebok sponsorship and PPV events, surely his career thus far should not merit such things. Hatton has truely earned his PPV status through attrition, I'm not a fan, but he has fought his way to where he is. You don't see Andre Ward headlining PPV events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
But you have to bear in mind that Britain is tiny compared to the US.. so obviously potential world stars are far more infrequent.
If Andre Ward was British he'd be in Khan's boat.. you could bet your house on that ;)
...let me know when it's going to be legal for David Haye to kick in a boxing match buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Vitali's BOXING RECORD speaks for itself he's never been down, he's never been counted out, he has RARELY been hurt and even then only by the BIGGEST of punchers.
i know everybody has their own opinion and taste about boxing and how fighters should be. I, for one, likes a good fight. back and forth action. guzman doesnt do that. when guzman fought soto there was one time that he turned his back from soto and ran. come on man, who does that? he might have been good before but that was from mediocre fighters? his last KO was 2004. he hyped himself by sending letters to pacman too.. what a tool. even his last fight with ameth diaz was crap. he is lazy in training and it shows on how he fights. he's supposed to be a slick boxer with amazing handspeed yet his punch count is low compared to what is expected of him. he had his chance with campbell yet he blew what could have been the biggest money maker of his life.i dont think floyd sr even trains him anymore. if he is not hype then i dont know what hype is..Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBBeing disappointing of late and being a hype job is totally different, Joan Guzman is P4P one of the most skilled fighters in the world today. And he could beat anyone on any given night.Quote:
Originally Posted by josef4334
And i honestly can't see how any true fan could find watching a skilled fighter like that boring. But i guess everyone has there own tastes/opinions.
well thats just my opinion.
I don't think Gerry Cooney would be close. It seems everyone including HBO name him as the biggest hype job. Jimmy Young beat George Foreman two years before Cooney whooped his ass. Ron Lyle gave everyone problems including the "GREAT" Ali, Cooney took him out in 1 round, Norton was old but sure as hell didn't look it, took him out in 54 seconds. Look at his amatuer background one of the top amatuer fighter's took out the undefeated Cuban. I get sick of this shit on Cooney he went 55-3 in the amatuers and was beaten by the alltime greatest fighter's of all time. Do I need to name them ? Holmes,Foreman,Spinks. Nothing to be ashamed of at all in my book. Gave Holmes a helluva a tough time for the heavyweight crown. If weren't for Holmes saying " if Cooney wasn't white he wouldn't be worth a shit" every 5 mins I think we would look at him a little differently. He did what he had to do and did it by knocking the top ranked oppents out not by desicion.
Who I think is the biggest hype job ever is Tyson pure and simple. He was amazing when he was young but since his return after his imprisonment was even bigger than he originally was and did nothing great whatsoever.
OK let's forget Cooney....what about Joe Mesi? That guy had 0 losses and he was still a hype job, hell Nicolay Valuev is a hype job and he barely lost that 1 time!
Gerry Cooney IS a victim of greedy people pushing him forward before he was ready AND as a consequence of being exposed by larry Holmes (a great fighter) his entire career was damaged. Not because he wasn't talented but because mentally and psychologically he was no longer at the top level, he never recovered from his first loss.
Holmes- Cooney was 26 years ago. Do you even remember they hype they gave this guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
If Reid wouldn't of had that eye problem he would never of fought Trinidad when he did. But he had to. Doctors estimated he would have about a year before the eyelid impeded his vision enough to make boxing too dangerous. He had no choice but to cash out. And that's why I never consider David Reid a bust. He was handicapped Boxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsClearly you can not deny his skills.No boubt about it.But I think you sumed it up perfectly right there.Thats my point,he was riding with skills yes...but had emmence backing/buildup...and yes Hype stemming from the gold at the Olympics.I mean,who doesn't.The networks could not get to him fast enough and he was in the limelight from dayone.Clearly he was talented but could not totally meet the level of expections that his handlers and Media set for him.He was all balls in with Tito,fought like a champion...but he was done after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseReid had fantastic skills. And a great right hand. But that eye was a liability. He was basically a one eyed fighter. For him to become a champion and beat some good fighters along the way, to me is highly impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
A bunch of idiots like to blame Reid's handlers for rushing him in against Felix Trinidad. They think they did a poor job of handling him. But them idiots don't know shiit about Boxing. I think they did of great job of handling him. Reid was already struggling with fighters he had no business struggling with in sparring. Him losing to a lesser fighter in the ring would not be a surprise. So they took advantage of his undefeated record and title and cashed him out against Felix Trinidad. He took a beating in the fight. But he accounted himself quite well and earned a career high pay day of 2.5 million I belive. If Reid would of lost prior to facing Trinidad there was no way he would earn that much money. It was the right move.
He got it at the Pan American Games. A year before the Olympics. It was against Daniel Santos. A punch to the eye did the damage. It caused the muscle in his eye lid to lose its elasticity. Making it sag. 4 surgeries couldn't fix the problem. Last I heard (which was a couple of years ago) Reid was doing alright. He made about 8 million in his career. Apparently he kept most of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI agree i don't think David Reid was a hype job either he was a good fighter, with good handspeed/slickness ETC. I have watched a few of his fights and he did struggle against people like Kevin Kelly who is only decent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseReid had fantastic skills. And a great right hand. But that eye was a liability. He was basically a one eyed fighter. For him to become a champion and beat some good fighters along the way, to me is highly impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
A bunch of idiots like to blame Reid's handlers for rushing him in against Felix Trinidad. They think they did a poor job of handling him. But them idiots don't know shiit about Boxing. I think they did of great job of handling him. Reid was already struggling with fighters he had no business struggling with in sparring. Him losing to a lesser fighter in the ring would not be a surprise. So they took advantage of his undefeated record and title and cashed him out against Felix Trinidad. He took a beating in the fight. But he accounted himself quite well and earned a career high pay day of 2.5 million I belive. If Reid would of lost prior to facing Trinidad there was no way he would earn that much money. It was the right move.
But then he did comeback and beat Keith Mullings who despite the record, wern't a bad fighter himself he had a win over Terry Norris. Granted it wasn't a prime Terry Norris but i see that fight, and Terry Norris still performed well in that fight.
And he was ahead but he got hurt and floored in round 8, and never recovered in the next round. Keith Mullings actually was only beat convincingly by Winky Wright, Steve Roberts, that was shocking to see Keith Mullings stopped so early against Steve Roberts.
But anyway i thought David Reid was doing pretty good after 6 rounds against Felix Trinidad, i thought he was possibly ahead by 1 round. And he scored a decent knockdown, but after that it all went downhill and he got battered.
But he still showed heart especially in the later rounds when he fought back, overall i think it was a hell of an achievement to win rounds and go 12 rounds against a prime Felix Trinidad. And even if he wouldn't of fought him the eye would always be a problem, and he wouldn't of had a long career anyway.
Didn't he get the eye injury in the Olympics or something ? i remember hearing about that somewhere but i can't remember. By the way what is David Reid doing now anyway ?
The ever reliable Lyle :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle...let me know when it's going to be legal for David Haye to kick in a boxing match buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Vitali's BOXING RECORD speaks for itself he's never been down, he's never been counted out, he has RARELY been hurt and even then only by the BIGGEST of punchers.
Well Fenster, I just wanted to make it clear
You cannot kick in a BOXING match....FACT
Yeah of course he is!Quote:
Originally Posted by USA LOVES THE KLITSCHOS
The former undisputed Cruiserweight champion and future heavyweight champ. Looks like he's got Wlad at Stamford bridge on June 20th.
I'm old enought to remember all the hype. He did get plenty of it, but he was a good fighter who had some accomplishments under his belt, not just at the amateur, but also at the pro level. The fact is the fight with Holmes with overhyped and because of the racial tension mixed into the thing, it makes him seem like a big white hype job. That fact is, had Cooney been black, with his accomplishments, they would have still been talking about Cooney as a credible and dangerous opponent. Cooney had the most feared left hook in the division at the time and it was with good reason. He had sparked, Young, Lyle, and Norton in order, in a grand total of 6 rounds. The division was somewhat thin at the time, and Cooney was one of the better opponents Holmes fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGMHolmes- Cooney was 26 years ago. Do you even remember they hype they gave this guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
Cooney made a fairly close fight of it. Without those points for low blows, he was even or close too it on the cards. If Holmes has taken out Cooney in 5-6 rounds or Cooney had never been in the fight, you could call Cooney the greatest hype job, but to call him that is an insult to a good fighter who was taken advantage of by gready management.
Agreed here,He was definatly not a bust...he had substance and ability.Has to be commended for not only over coming opponents but legitament obstacles going into each and every fight.You could see the lid getting worse and worse as he went on.He started catching alot of straight shots and balance was becoming spotty.If I remember correctly,there was some talk about him facing Fellow Philadelphian Hopkins...that would have been bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIf Reid wouldn't of had that eye problem he would never of fought Trinidad when he did. But he had to. Doctors estimated he would have about a year before the eyelid impeded his vision enough to make boxing too dangerous. He had no choice but to cash out. And that's why I never consider David Reid a bust. He was handicapped Boxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsClearly you can not deny his skills.No boubt about it.But I think you sumed it up perfectly right there.Thats my point,he was riding with skills yes...but had emmence backing/buildup...and yes Hype stemming from the gold at the Olympics.I mean,who doesn't.The networks could not get to him fast enough and he was in the limelight from dayone.Clearly he was talented but could not totally meet the level of expections that his handlers and Media set for him.He was all balls in with Tito,fought like a champion...but he was done after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Fair enough, Cooney wasn't that bad. He didn't do that bad against Holmes, but 2 of 3 cards were generous to him IMO. Holmes was never in danger. Sure he was one of Holmes bigger challengers, but not his toughest fight, but he was the most hyped challenger. But point taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySeanI'm old enought to remember all the hype. He did get plenty of it, but he was a good fighter who had some accomplishments under his belt, not just at the amateur, but also at the pro level. The fact is the fight with Holmes with overhyped and because of the racial tension mixed into the thing, it makes him seem like a big white hype job. That fact is, had Cooney been black, with his accomplishments, they would have still been talking about Cooney as a credible and dangerous opponent. Cooney had the most feared left hook in the division at the time and it was with good reason. He had sparked, Young, Lyle, and Norton in order, in a grand total of 6 rounds. The division was somewhat thin at the time, and Cooney was one of the better opponents Holmes fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGMHolmes- Cooney was 26 years ago. Do you even remember they hype they gave this guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
Cooney made a fairly close fight of it. Without those points for low blows, he was even or close too it on the cards. If Holmes has taken out Cooney in 5-6 rounds or Cooney had never been in the fight, you could call Cooney the greatest hype job, but to call him that is an insult to a good fighter who was taken advantage of by gready management.
Oscar De la Hoya, every time he steps up and fights a white or black fighter he loses but most of the time he gets a gift descision. You know why he gets it and I know why he gets it but i wont say it because i will get banned.
Rocky Marciano. number 1 he is a cruiserweight or a slightly bigger than average light heavyweight yet to this day little kids like some of you still think he could beat true 205 plus pound heavyweights not to mention the best guys he beat in his career were pushing 40 or started their careers as middleweights
Both Klitschko's. No heavyweights in the last 30 years has fought so many bums but recieved so much praise. Vitali beat Danny Williams a bum only known because he beat a washed up Mike Tyson. Corrie Sanders a joke fighter who is only known because he knocked out the glass chinned Wladimir. Byrd a middleweight made Vitali quit because he hurt his arm. Juan Carlos Gomez was a blown up cruiserweight with no skills. Sam Peter is a fat overweight slob who best wins came over Olev Maskeav another bum who gets knocked out every time he steps up
Wladimir was knocked out by Ross Purity a club fighter, Lamont Brewster another bum who is only known because he knocked out Wlad. The list goes on and on with the bums this joke fights but I actually seen some dumb dumb say Wlad and Vitali could both knock out a prime George Foreman. Simply amusing
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Originally Posted by GeorgeForeman8
DelaHoya has been on both sides of dodgy decisions. He was robbed against Mosely in the 2nd fight & he beat Tito imo.
Edison Miranda
Antonio Margarito-As of now all his wins are tainted.
Sam Peter
Hasim Rahman
Zab Judah
Antonio Tarver- His mouth and 1 highlight knockout keep him around.
O'neil Bell
David Tua
Almost any vaguely competent white American Heavyweight. I think the media start hearing the tune to Rocky as soon as they see them get into the ring. Regardless of whether they're actually any good.
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Originally Posted by CGMSpeaking as someone who was following the sport closely when this fight happened, I can tell you there was a huge amount of hype for Cooney and his power. People were talking about Holmes getting knocked back to Africa with this fight. But Holmes schooled and dismantled him with relative ease.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Anyways, Cooney was/is a decent guy who was not to blame for the hype. Full props to him for the exellent work he has done in support of retired boxers.
The ever-cunning King orchestrated this one so that Black vs. White = Green. Cooney wanted no part of that, but the 10 million he got wasn't all that bad. I do some strange thing for 10 mil!!!
Some good names on here - people like Cooney, Audley etc were hyped big time. Nothing wrong with that (because the young Mike Tyson was the most hyped fighter who had not even competed at world level that I've ever seen) ....... it's those who donlt deserve the hype who annoy us.
For the record, I think the very first hype job in history (apart from the Great White Hopes against Johnson) was Duane Bobick ...... anyone remember him?
fans should stop blaming fighters for their own hype. It wasnt like Andre Ward went 'I want to be touted as the next best thing since sliced bread"Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Raini never liked andre ward, i hate it when a young fighter is being compared to a great so soon into their career.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI agree.. it's very annoying that Khan has NOT even proven himself to be the best lightweight in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
But you have to bear in mind that Britain is tiny compared to the US.. so obviously potential world stars are far more infrequent.
If Andre Ward was British he'd be in Khan's boat.. you could bet your house on that ;)
It's not a fighter's fault how they are hyped, I've never heard in any interviews Andre Ward saying he is the greatest or the second coming. Hate the hypers not the fighter. When it comes to people like Gerry Cooney history says "it's not Cooney's fault how he was hyped" all in hindsight. But now in the present fighters get hated just because they do get hyped before proving anything. In my opinion it makes no sense to hype someone thats already there, because they don't need hype then. Hype is there for preperation and to stir the pot. So don't hate the player hate the game.
Anyone say Andrew Maynard ?Rewatching these hurts lol
They put this 88' Gold Medalist on the fast track to a title fight and took on a seemingly used up Bobby Czyz as his first big fight......whoops.Can you say KTMF....FOUT :shinner:.From there on, he was brutalized against every major fighter he faced,save for a dreadfully faded and totally past it Saad Muhammad.
I still remember the gift decision Bell got against Dale Brown.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09
Looks like John Duddy will never live up to his hype.
Almazbek Raiymkulov "Kid Diamond" comes to mind, though I guess he never made it to the "hyped to the masses" level.
Oh hell no!!!:mad: Styles makes fights this is a classic example when a world class puncher gets schooled by a world class boxer. Don't yall forget Kelly destroyed Miranda and Taylor!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Mark Breland was meant to be a combination of all that was good about Ray Leonard and Sugar Ray Robinson.
Breland was hardly a bust, but came no where near reaching the hype thrown at him.
Audley annoys me, he was just in it for the money, and from that point of view, he succeed, when the Beeb gave him a £1Million for his first ten fights.
If Audley put half the effort into fighting as he did hyping and self publicing himself, he would of beaten the Klitshcko brothers in the same night.
Joe Calzaghe;);D
Prince Naseem ? you mean the number 1 featherweight in the world for 4 years plus and beating all the champions not really a hype job.Quote:
Originally Posted by dayos5
Manny Pacquiao he is a great fighter but he is becoming abit of a hype job by this i mean a few fights back he fought JMM and many thought he had lost now he has 2 good wins the Diaz win werent that good really and everyone thinks he is unbeatable. I like Pac im a fan im just not as hyped as everyone else is worldwide now bring on the pain;D
Hatton.
can't say Pavlik is all hype when he is STILL the reigning Middleweight champion of the world, and has wins over Taylor, Miranda, Zuniga, Zertuche, and Rubio, all either decent or very good competition, he's not unstoppable but IMO still the best in his respectable division, all i know though is that Pavlik Vs Abraham has to happen, also since when is it a shame to lose to Bernard Hopkins? IMO B-Hop should have been the first loss on Calzaghe's recordQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
It's easy to say that right now, but it seems to me that Hatton really built his reputation as much as he was hyped. He was undefeated after all, and had beaten Kostya Tszyu before the PBF fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
probably gonna get thrashed but on that same note we can easily say Mike Tyson, first loss was a brutal KO against Buster Douglas who had already been KO'd by a man Tyson had beaten in Tucker, he basically lost to every decent fighter he took on from 96 to the day he retired, and no loss was close, Douglas, Holyfield I, Lewis, all ugly beatdowns, then he flat out quit against the likes of Williams and McBride, even though he did fuck up his knee in the Williams fight,Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
So there could be truth to some claims that Hatton is a hype job of Promoter Frank Warren...Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
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Hatton isn't a hype job. He attracts a shed load of fans but that's a different thing all together.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerSo there could be truth to some claims that Hatton is a hype job of Promoter Frank Warren...Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
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Not heard anybody saying he's the 2nd coming. He was protected up to a degree until he fought Tszyu. After that he's took on challenge after challenge and has wins over Tszyu, Collazo, Malignaggi, Urango, Maussa (ok he's poor), Castillo and Lazcano.
All have been world champions apart from Lazcano. He's only lost to the number 1 p4p fighter in the world (both occassions) and he's beaten two top 10-12....depending on where you had Castillo when they fought.
If that makes you a hype job then 95% of fighters in general are hype jobs.
Cooney? He was hyped for having big power because he had big power. He KTFO of Ken Norton and Ron Lyle, both in the first round. That deserves some notice, his power was not hype. He even wobbled Foreman in that first round before he got clocked.
Just scanned all the posts and i didn't see Jeff Lacy once ???
I would add chris arreola and camacho jr,sam peter to the list.