Margarito, Capetillo licenses revoked!

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by Macho

This is an indignant situation , and now what ?

Suspended just one Year both , both supposed to be banned for live.....
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I'm also for ban for life... Cheating and seriously risking the lives of other boxers is a very grave offense...

Even if Margo will be allowed to fight again, some boxers will have second thoughts of fighting him... Margo will also have a hard time finding sparring partners... ;D
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Me too, you HAVE to make an example of anyone caught trying to pull this shit off. Then again, Tyson was allowed to fight on just because he generated $$$ after chewing biting off part of his opponent. I really hate stuff like this.

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

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Originally Posted by Macho

This is an indignant situation , and now what ?

Suspended just one Year both , both supposed to be banned for live.....
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I'm also for ban for life... Cheating and seriously risking the lives of other boxers is a very grave offense...

Even if Margo will be allowed to fight again, some boxers will have second thoughts of fighting him... Margo will also have a hard time finding sparring partners... ;D
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He'll probably fight again, but I guarantee you he is done as a major, big money HBO or Showtime attraction. The networks won't go near a convicted cheater, nor will other fighters.

Margarito and especially his trainer got off WAAAAAAY too easy....a YEAR?!?!?! This is why boxing has a hard time being taken seriously in the mainstream

There's nothing new from this hearing. It defies belief that it actually took place before the 'substance' had been identified. Was it old gauze as the trainer claimed, or something harder? did the material harden to rock after a soaking from sweat? was the total weight of the hand wraps larger than the commission allows? Was the material harder than a human knuckle (kind of defeats the object if it wasn't)? Did they test the impact of the wrapping in a glove and compare it to a control sample of wrapping? and then test if the impact got harder after 12 rounds of bashing it against something, again compared to a control sample of wrapping.

If I were to write a paper to a journal about a new substance I'd discovered, then simply described it as a little stiff with a powdary substance on it, I'd expect the referee to reply with some tough questions e.g. what's the powdary substance is it plaster? table salt? cocaine???

I'm not defending Marg here, just questioning the due process. I have to admit that the trainer's statements are in itself pretty darn incriminating.

I would just like to add some questions to the band wagoners, if it was just stiff wet gauze then how is it different to what Trinidad did? And where were/are the calls to revoke all titles from his resume and ban any entry to the HoF?

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Originally Posted by Bomp

There's nothing new from this hearing. It defies belief that it actually took place before the 'substance' had been identified. Was it old gauze as the trainer claimed, or something harder? did the material harden to rock after a soaking from sweat? was the total weight of the hand wraps larger than the commission allows? Was the material harder than a human knuckle (kind of defeats the object if it wasn't)? Did they test the impact of the wrapping in a glove and compare it to a control sample of wrapping? and then test if the impact got harder after 12 rounds of bashing it against something, again compared to a control sample of wrapping.

If I were to write a paper to a journal about a new substance I'd discovered, then simply described it as a little stiff with a powdary substance on it, I'd expect the referee to reply with some tough questions e.g. what's the powdary substance is it plaster? table salt? cocaine???

I'm not defending Marg here, just questioning the due process. I have to admit that the trainer's statements are in itself pretty darn incriminating.

I would just like to add some questions to the band wagoners, if it was just stiff wet gauze then how is it different to what Trinidad did? And where were/are the calls to revoke all titles from his resume and ban any entry to the HoF?

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I cant believe that you are another one that think that Trinidad used the same " Pad or Plaster with substance " like Margaro did , cmon Bomp , if that is questionable , why the Commission didnt find something , Richardson complained just for the way that Trinidad was wrapped , was wrapped like 3 times , you dont think that the Commission would found something out of regulation ? IMO that was a really Speculation....

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Margarito and especially his trainer got off WAAAAAAY too easy....a YEAR?!?!?! This is why boxing has a hard time being taken seriously in the mainstream

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He's definately getting off easy because of his last sellout fight. Not saying it's right, but boxing has it's own rules, and cash is king.

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Originally Posted by Bomp

There's nothing new from this hearing. It defies belief that it actually took place before the 'substance' had been identified. Was it old gauze as the trainer claimed, or something harder? did the material harden to rock after a soaking from sweat? was the total weight of the hand wraps larger than the commission allows? Was the material harder than a human knuckle (kind of defeats the object if it wasn't)? Did they test the impact of the wrapping in a glove and compare it to a control sample of wrapping? and then test if the impact got harder after 12 rounds of bashing it against something, again compared to a control sample of wrapping.

If I were to write a paper to a journal about a new substance I'd discovered, then simply described it as a little stiff with a powdary substance on it, I'd expect the referee to reply with some tough questions e.g. what's the powdary substance is it plaster? table salt? cocaine???

I'm not defending Marg here, just questioning the due process. I have to admit that the trainer's statements are in itself pretty darn incriminating.

I would just like to add some questions to the band wagoners, if it was just stiff wet gauze then how is it different to what Trinidad did? And where were/are the calls to revoke all titles from his resume and ban any entry to the HoF?

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I cant believe that you are another one that think that Trinidad used the same " Pad or Plaster with substance " like Margaro did , cmon Bomp , if that is questionable , why the Commission didnt find something , Richardson complained just for the way that Trinidad was wrapped , was wrapped like 3 times , you dont think that the Commission would found something out of regulation ? IMO that was a really Speculation....

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Well to start with the commision were willing to pass both Marg and Felix's gloves, it was Nazim who spotted both incidiences.

IF it is found in March that the substance is different and harder than wet gauze, then what they did is worse than Trinidad. Trinidad's camp used layer after layer of extra gauzed tape, which would harden when wet, so if it is extra wet gauze that was on Marg's hands, then no I cannot distinguish between the offences.

If you really wanted to distinguish between them then it should be done in a lab, not by speculation on message boards. Nazim is an eyewitness to both and also an experienced hand wrapper, I'm sure he could reproduce what he saw Felix do, then compare the hardness to these pads.

Again Im not defending Marg, Im quite sure from his trainer's suspicious comments that he has a strong case to answer. All I ask for is consistency and less hypocrisy. Accusing Marg of blue murder while casually glossing over Shane's steroid abuse IS hypocrisy, UNLESS you have scientific evidence to prove that the increase in punch power/hardness from a performance enhancing drug is considerably less then wet gauze.

Disgraceful if he only gets a year. Fucking Zab Judah got a year just for being himself.

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Originally Posted by X

Unforgiveable.

They knowingly put the health of his opponents at serious risk by giving their boy an unfair advantage. Fighters could have been killed.

I am so disappointed in them all ........ his titles should be retrospectively stripped, they should all be banned for life and be fined massively. Margaroto's name should be removed from the history books.

Nobody only does this once and happens to get caught the first time, especially if you are a reigning world champ who was favourite to beat Shane anyway.

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I don't get it, what was the punchline? :confused:

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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob

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This is really funny !!! :lolhaha:

Was Margarito even aware that Capetillo cheating?

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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob

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This is really funny !!! :lolhaha:

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Lmfao!

And if his boxing career is finished he could make good money from publicity :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob

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HAHAHAHA that is funny.

You just know that there's going to be a Cotto-Margarito rematch now. Plenty of storylines there to sell the fight, aren't there? After the first fight I said no way ever there's a rematch, but it's funny how things turn out isn't it? It'll be an absolutely huge PPV event provided both guys stay unbeaten till it happens. I bet about five minutes after Margarito's ban ends it gets made.

I've heard both that Arum is discussing fights for Margarito in Mexico till his ban ends and also that Arum can't be involved in promoting him anywhere during the ban or Arum will get banned too. Does anybody know which of these versions is correct?

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Originally Posted by vette1

Rematch ? who would want to see Margarito in a boxing ring again ? certainly not me. I picked him to beat cotto in their fight, but always wondered how the hell Cotto got busted up like that. i always wondered. This guy should never have the priveledge of stepping into a boxing ring again.

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I'm guessing one or two people might order it on HBO. Thanks to Tony's innovative handwrapping techniques they've now got some serious plotlines they can sell the fight with.

Guys, remember that he's banned for AT LEAST 1 year. He would have to reapply for a license and they could very well deny him. Also, they could take further action next month when they finally discover exactly what the substance is that he used.

I have to say also, I still find it implausible that he was getting away with this on a regular basis. If so, then the commissions are completely incompetent and are just as much to blame. And if it were that easy, that would lead me to believe that there must be other fighters doing the same thing.

I agree 100% with your post.

I while hold my judgement till i know the substance i cant belive i got to wait even longer to know what he was using o well somthing to think about did they say it was going to be march when we find out does anyone know or have they not made a date for it yet just asking.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

I while hold my judgement till i know the substance i cant belive i got to wait even longer to know what he was using o well somthing to think about did they say it was going to be march when we find out does anyone know or have they not made a date for it yet just asking.

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I honestly dont think they will ever be able to identify 'it'.Nothing definative or known or they would have most assuradly released description and called it earlier.Reading Capetillos testimony...he stated it was a pad removed from a training pad??Then I read one lawyer say he accidentaly re used some second hand wrap from another of his fighters?Hey,I can walk into my bathroom and stare at the wall..."Yep,thats plaster".Might need Oliver stone on this one.

- The pad/insert is illegal

- It's wet then it's illegal

Even if the powder is only talcum powder, that pad alone inside the gloves might possibly cause serious injuries to opposing boxers. That's grave offense...

One year ban is not enough as punishment...
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I want proof on how much more damage it could cause before life time band because i seen worse things go un punished so we while see.

I'm not defending margarito or saying he shouldn't be punished, but let's be fair. Whatever was in his wraps was nothing resembling bricks. It had to be extremely thin to be placed in his wraps undetected, even Naazim said the commisioner felt his hands and didn't feel anything. Something like a cast would be way too thick to go undetected.

And for argument's sake, let's say that his wraps were loaded against Cotto, that combination that Tony landed at the end of round 10 was pretty vicious. I don't see how Cotto could have survived that if there was anything resembling a brick in Tony's hands. Frankly, a brick would knock somebody out with one shot.

I doubt that he will fight in Mexico because if he does, that will badly impact his chances of getting his liscence approved. He may well be done for good, as there is no assurance his revocation will be overturned in a year. He has broken my heart, as I always viewed him a great pressure fighter but the shine is gone now. I have moved him aside --and maybe for good. Yes, there is an appeal and yes there is a possible action in the courts, but that would only prolong the misery. At the end of the day, the fighter is in charge of his corner (though I do question the wisdom of that principle) and so he must accept responsability whether intent was present or not. He owns it plain and simple and what he owns is an iinfraction that is the very worse one in boxing. That all said, however, I will make note that it is always easy to kick a man when he is down or to pile on with the mob mentality. That is not what I am doing here. I have no pity or excuses for Antonio or his manager, and I think we the fans are the ones who really were hurt by this. In short, we were betrayed. He was wrong and now he should and will pay the piper. If that means a life ban, so be it. That's the way justice is supposed to work.

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Originally Posted by holmcall

I doubt that he will fight in Mexico because if he does, that will badly impact his chances of getting his liscence approved. He may well be done for good, as there is no assurance his revocation will be overturned in a year. He has broken my heart, as I always viewed him a great pressure fighter but the shine is gone now. I have moved him aside --and maybe for good. Yes, there is an appeal and yes there is a possible action in the courts, but that would only prolong the misery. At the end of the day, the fighter is in charge of his corner (though I do question the wisdom of that principle) and so he must accept responsability whether intent was present or not. He owns it plain and simple and what he owns is an iinfraction that is the very worse one in boxing. That all said, however, I will make note that it is always easy to kick a man when he is down or to pile on with the mob mentality. That is not what I am doing here. I have no pity or excuses for Antonio or his manager, and I think we the fans are the ones who really were hurt by this. In short, we were betrayed. He was wrong and now he should and will pay the piper. If that means a life ban, so be it. That's the way justice is supposed to work.

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Very true... even how sad it is... :(

I can clearly remember how proud I am in correctly picking Margarito over Cotto and how Margo made Cotto quit... Now it's all gone... tsk tsk tsk ... :(
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Originally Posted by Carboni

Margarito should not have been banned

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Is sad to see how some Ignorant people try to be out of reality...........:rolleyes: