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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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Chino
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But in actuality, there's been very few soft opponents on his record. The first "break" I ever saw Cotto take was his fight against Gomez, and even then, there are those who would give Gomez more credit than I do
Not sure if I can really say that all his opponents are top world class champions. I see the guys in his resume and who they have beaten and they are not top world class opponents unless I am missing something. I see an old Zab Judah and a decision vs Mosley that could have gone either way. Other opponents in his resume seem to have a good record but, against who?
There seems to be an exciting list of top quality big name opponents who are young and in their prime that Cotto could face in the near future, let's see what happens.
You've always questioned Cotto's list of opponents, and I've always told you why it's better than what you'd make it out to be. Again, not saying that "all his opponents are top world class champions", but... who can you say that about? And yet, Cotto HAS consistently faced good, young, tough opponents... some of whom have been avoided by other fighters. Abdullaev and Torres fall on that list. Also, Miguel was fighting guys with great records very early in his career. His resume is NOT full of guys with 0-0, or 1-10 records, as other coddled fighters are... and WELL into their careers, I might add. So we continue to disagree. You see Miguel as not having a bunch of "top world class champions" on his resume... and I see him as having as impressive a resume, if not more, than a lot of top fighters in the world today.
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Chino
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But in actuality, there's been very few soft opponents on his record. The first "break" I ever saw Cotto take was his fight against Gomez, and even then, there are those who would give Gomez more credit than I do
Not sure if I can really say that all his opponents are top world class champions. I see the guys in his resume and who they have beaten and they are not top world class opponents unless I am missing something. I see an old Zab Judah and a decision vs Mosley that could have gone either way. Other opponents in his resume seem to have a good record but, against who?
There seems to be an exciting list of top quality big name opponents who are young and in their prime that Cotto could face in the near future, let's see what happens.
You've always questioned Cotto's list of opponents, and I've always told you why it's better than what you'd make it out to be. Again, not saying that "all his opponents are top world class champions", but... who can you say that about? And yet, Cotto HAS consistently faced good, young, tough opponents... some of whom have been avoided by other fighters. Abdullaev and Torres fall on that list. Also, Miguel was fighting guys with great records very early in his career. His resume is NOT full of guys with 0-0, or 1-10 records, as other coddled fighters are... and WELL into their careers, I might add. So we continue to disagree. You see Miguel as not having a bunch of "top world class champions" on his resume... and I see him as having as impressive a resume, if not more, than a lot of top fighters in the world today.
Yup, Cotto has defeated more undefeated fighters than Floyd Mayweather Jr. did.
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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Danny_G
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Chino
Not sure if I can really say that all his opponents are top world class champions. I see the guys in his resume and who they have beaten and they are not top world class opponents unless I am missing something. I see an old Zab Judah and a decision vs Mosley that could have gone either way. Other opponents in his resume seem to have a good record but, against who?
There seems to be an exciting list of top quality big name opponents who are young and in their prime that Cotto could face in the near future, let's see what happens.
You've always questioned Cotto's list of opponents, and I've always told you why it's better than what you'd make it out to be. Again, not saying that "all his opponents are top world class champions", but... who can you say that about? And yet, Cotto HAS consistently faced good, young, tough opponents... some of whom have been avoided by other fighters. Abdullaev and Torres fall on that list. Also, Miguel was fighting guys with great records very early in his career. His resume is NOT full of guys with 0-0, or 1-10 records, as other coddled fighters are... and WELL into their careers, I might add. So we continue to disagree. You see Miguel as not having a bunch of "top world class champions" on his resume... and I see him as having as impressive a resume, if not more, than a lot of top fighters in the world today.
Yup, Cotto has defeated more undefeated fighters than Floyd Mayweather Jr. did.
How long was Valuev undefeated for again?
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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Originally Posted by
Majesty
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Originally Posted by
Danny_G
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
You've always questioned Cotto's list of opponents, and I've always told you why it's better than what you'd make it out to be. Again, not saying that "all his opponents are top world class champions", but... who can you say that about? And yet, Cotto HAS consistently faced good, young, tough opponents... some of whom have been avoided by other fighters. Abdullaev and Torres fall on that list. Also, Miguel was fighting guys with great records very early in his career. His resume is NOT full of guys with 0-0, or 1-10 records, as other coddled fighters are... and WELL into their careers, I might add. So we continue to disagree. You see Miguel as not having a bunch of "top world class champions" on his resume... and I see him as having as impressive a resume, if not more, than a lot of top fighters in the world today.
Yup, Cotto has defeated more undefeated fighters than Floyd Mayweather Jr. did.
How long was Valuev undefeated for again?
And when the phuk did Cotto fight Valuev? Sit the hell down bro, whe aint talking heavy sloppy weights here.
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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Danny_G
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Originally Posted by
Majesty
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Danny_G
Yup, Cotto has defeated more undefeated fighters than Floyd Mayweather Jr. did.
How long was Valuev undefeated for again?
And when the phuk did Cotto fight Valuev? Sit the hell down bro, whe aint talking heavy sloppy weights here.
I mean undefeated records don't really mean much nowadays. He's fought very good opposition but how many were undefeated doesnt mean a lot. Lovemore Ndou was better then Kelson pinto
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
There really isn't a debate here. Plain and simple, Cotto deserves the hype, based on his style of fighting (brutal body puncher, non biatch who does not hold) and his level of opponents. He will soon step into the ring vs. Clottey, arguably the most avoided fighter in boxing today. What more do you want from Cotto? Whether some fans on this forum over-like Cotto, the guy gives boxing fans what they want (KO's and good, entertaining fights). I don't see what the problem is, to be honest. I mean, clearly Margarito loaded his gloves in the fight with Cotto (check out Margarito's gloves hand wraps after the fight). And Cotto basically did not use that as an excuse for the loss!! He doesn't trash talk, either. Come on!! What's not to like? Boxing needs more like Cotto.
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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Rican
There really isn't a debate here. Plain and simple, Cotto deserves the hype, based on his style of fighting (brutal body puncher, non biatch who does not hold) and his level of opponents. He will soon step into the ring vs. Clottey, arguably the most avoided fighter in boxing today. What more do you want from Cotto? Whether some fans on this forum over-like Cotto, the guy gives boxing fans what they want (KO's and good, entertaining fights). I don't see what the problem is, to be honest. I mean, clearly Margarito loaded his gloves in the fight with Cotto (check out Margarito's gloves hand wraps after the fight). And Cotto basically did not use that as an excuse for the loss!! He doesn't trash talk, either. Come on!! What's not to like? Boxing needs more like Cotto.
i suspect he did but there isn't any neither will there ever be any proof unless Margarito or his trainer speak up and admit it
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Rican
There really isn't a debate here. Plain and simple, Cotto deserves the hype, based on his style of fighting (brutal body puncher, non biatch who does not hold) and his level of opponents. He will soon step into the ring vs. Clottey, arguably the most avoided fighter in boxing today. What more do you want from Cotto? Whether some fans on this forum over-like Cotto, the guy gives boxing fans what they want (KO's and good, entertaining fights). I don't see what the problem is, to be honest. I mean, clearly Margarito loaded his gloves in the fight with Cotto (check out Margarito's gloves hand wraps after the fight). And Cotto basically did not use that as an excuse for the loss!! He doesn't trash talk, either. Come on!! What's not to like? Boxing needs more like Cotto.
i suspect he did but there isn't any neither will there ever be any proof unless Margarito or his trainer speak up and admit it
That is a laughable comment and it lacks logic. There is plenty of proof-the commission investigated the wraps (scientifically, no less) and made the ruling. Rarely do criminals admit their crimes. Some criminals admit to things crimes they never committed. That is why we have impartial (usually) jurys, grand jurys, and commissions that analyze evidence. But I don't want to beat a dead horse. I am simply pointing out the "terrible" lack of logic in your comment not debating whether margarito used illegal wraps. That has already been discussed ad nauseum.
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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Originally Posted by
Rican
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Rican
There really isn't a debate here. Plain and simple, Cotto deserves the hype, based on his style of fighting (brutal body puncher, non biatch who does not hold) and his level of opponents. He will soon step into the ring vs. Clottey, arguably the most avoided fighter in boxing today. What more do you want from Cotto? Whether some fans on this forum over-like Cotto, the guy gives boxing fans what they want (KO's and good, entertaining fights). I don't see what the problem is, to be honest. I mean, clearly Margarito loaded his gloves in the fight with Cotto (check out Margarito's gloves hand wraps after the fight). And Cotto basically did not use that as an excuse for the loss!! He doesn't trash talk, either. Come on!! What's not to like? Boxing needs more like Cotto.
i suspect he did but there isn't any neither will there ever be any proof unless Margarito or his trainer speak up and admit it
That is a laughable comment and it lacks logic. There is plenty of proof-the commission investigated the wraps (scientifically, no less) and made the ruling. Rarely do criminals admit their crimes. Some criminals admit to things crimes they never committed. That is why we have impartial (usually) jurys, grand jurys, and commissions that analyze evidence. But I don't want to beat a dead horse. I am simply pointing out the "terrible" lack of logic in your comment not debating whether margarito used illegal wraps. That has already been discussed ad nauseum.
yea theres proof he tried to use them against Mosley not Cotto, they don't have a time machine to check what fights he did and didn't use them in, the rest aside from the Mosley fight would just be speculation, no lack of logic it's just common sense :rolleyes:
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
Margarito will never admit it. He'd rather swim in a lake of fire after life.
...him and OJ Simpson. ;D
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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Killa From Manila
Margarito will never admit it. He'd rather swim in a lake of fire after life.
...him and OJ Simpson. ;D
that's for sure, but i'm just trying to say that that's the only real way to prove his gloves were loaded in any other fight other than the Mosley fight, i mean i think he might of done it in others but there's no way to prove it, it would just be speculation nothing else
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
Well anyone can have a go at it but there is no proof besides this fight that Margarito has done it before it is just speculation and why bother. Because even you look at all his fights some times he knocks someone out or sometimes he looks like he does not even hit hard it varies some.
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
Eventhough he was cleared from it (whatever "clear" means) I have my doubts now from his past victories. But still, loaded or not, how can we explain the fact that he took Cotto's punches as if he was being hit by pillows? Cotto threw vicious uppercuts, killer hooks, powerful straights, etc. And Margarito kept walking forward as if he was taking a walk in the park. Could this mean he put plaster in his face? Anybody in their right mind who was cheating wouldn't be parading in the ring lifting his fists and wraps all over the place in plain view of cameras, public, etc., right? It would make more sense for him to keep them covered and leave the ring as soon as possible.
TitoFan,
You're right, Cotto faced guys with great records but then again, who did these guys beat? Take for example, Demetrio Ceballos. Pretty good boxer with a high percentage of KOs but also a high percentage of losses by KO. His opponents, same thing. I look at Carlos Maussa who has a nice looking record with lots of KOs but let's see who he fought before he lost to Cotto: Resto, Cruz, Lau, etc. Guys that didn't bring much to the ring really and had all this losses. Abdulaev fighting Cotto with barely 13 fights under his belt who beat guys like Godoy who has no punching power threat and a not so convincing resume. Abdulaev also beat Feliciano who had all these loses by KO. Also beat Leondraliu who's record is quite sad. Ricardo Torres was quite a challenge to Cotto who somehow got lucky that the ref didn't stop the fight. Sure, Cotto came back and took care of business but before Torres faced Cotto he beat guys like Vazquez, Villalobos, Esquivia (all 7 losses by KO), etc. Who's records and quality of opposition are not top-notch. Still most of the guys in Cotto's resume have managed to rock him, almost KO/TKO him, cut him, bruise him, etc. Imagine when he starts facing young big names in their top prime. Would he be another Fernando Vargas who lost to young big names in their prime? Well, let's wait and see. There are lots of exciting fights along the road.
I could go like that with other guys Cotto faced. I am not saying either that Cotto gets lucky, of course not. You look at his style, combinations, etc. And know that he has the right tools to give us good fights and deserves the big paycheks. It's just that his resume doesn't do it for me.
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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Originally Posted by
Chino
Eventhough he was cleared from it (whatever "clear" means) I have my doubts now from his past victories. But still, loaded or not, how can we explain the fact that he took Cotto's punches as if he was being hit by pillows? Cotto threw vicious uppercuts, killer hooks, powerful straights, etc. And Margarito kept walking forward as if he was taking a walk in the park. Could this mean he put plaster in his face? Anybody in their right mind who was cheating wouldn't be parading in the ring lifting his fists and wraps all over the place in plain view of cameras, public, etc., right? It would make more sense for him to keep them covered and leave the ring as soon as possible.
TitoFan,
You're right, Cotto faced guys with great records but then again, who did these guys beat? Take for example, Demetrio Ceballos. Pretty good boxer with a high percentage of KOs but also a high percentage of losses by KO. His opponents, same thing. I look at Carlos Maussa who has a nice looking record with lots of KOs but let's see who he fought before he lost to Cotto: Resto, Cruz, Lau, etc. Guys that didn't bring much to the ring really and had all this losses. Abdulaev fighting Cotto with barely 13 fights under his belt who beat guys like Godoy who has no punching power threat and a not so convincing resume. Abdulaev also beat Feliciano who had all these loses by KO. Also beat Leondraliu who's record is quite sad. Ricardo Torres was quite a challenge to Cotto who somehow got lucky that the ref didn't stop the fight. Sure, Cotto came back and took care of business but before Torres faced Cotto he beat guys like Vazquez, Villalobos, Esquivia (all 7 losses by KO), etc. Who's records and quality of opposition are not top-notch. Still most of the guys in Cotto's resume have managed to rock him, almost KO/TKO him, cut him, bruise him, etc. Imagine when he starts facing young big names in their top prime. Would he be another Fernando Vargas who lost to young big names in their prime? Well, let's wait and see. There are lots of exciting fights along the road.
I could go like that with other guys Cotto faced. I am not saying either that Cotto gets lucky, of course not. You look at his style, combinations, etc. And know that he has the right tools to give us good fights and deserves the big paycheks. It's just that his resume doesn't do it for me.
Cottos already past testing time, he's already proven himself, Abdulaev beat Cotto in the olympics and was the favorite going into the pro fight, Cotto beat him easily, guys like Maussa, Torres, etc. didn't have much on their record before they fought Cotto but look what they have done afterwards, both won titles at 140, one knocked out Vivian Harris who was still considered came when Witter beat him, and the other KO'd Kendall Holt, who is STILL a big player in the division
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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leftylee
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Originally Posted by
Killa From Manila
Danny beat you to it boy, so now run off to the "Pac thongs for sale" thread. They got some new designs in I heard.
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
leftylee
....he got knocked the fuck out ?
Oh wait....his punk ass already has :lolhaha:
you shouldn't be laughin so much cause at least it was against a fighter who was thought to be game and now under suspicion of using illegal wraps, not brutally against an old fighter who was very much passed it like your man Haye :-X
:vd: I find it comical you say how I love David Haye...yet your lame ass brings Haye up. What has Haye got to do with this ?
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leftylee
LOL thats how you wind Danny G up. I knew exactly what the response would be.
I was actually only joking with you Danny...no need to get all sensitive posting clips now...Ive owned you enough times for you to realise you shouldn´t mess with me ;)
you banned yourself cause you couldn't take all the Haye bashing lol so what are you talking about
Actually I banned myself because I had schoolwork to complete. Some of us are actually aiming to better ourselves all the time.
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leftylee
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Killa From Manila
Danny beat you to it boy, so now run off to the "Pac thongs for sale" thread. They got some new designs in I heard.
and you'd be the first in line to watch David Haye's nude calender shoot, you'd probably volunteer to hold his fire hose if he was doing a firefighter shot :rolleyes:
3-0 ;D
and i know you're gonna try and blast me with some bullshit diss about Morales, but the only difference is Erik is a legend and Haye is about to get KTFO AGAIN!!! lol
Again...what has Haye got to do with this ?...and please how is it 3 nil....your just repeating yourself and adding a few smileys :vd: run along now kid
See my points above in bold.
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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leftylee
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Originally Posted by
leftylee
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Originally Posted by
Killa From Manila
Danny beat you to it boy, so now run off to the "Pac thongs for sale" thread. They got some new designs in I heard.
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ElTerribleMorales
you shouldn't be laughin so much cause at least it was against a fighter who was thought to be game and now under suspicion of using illegal wraps, not brutally against an old fighter who was very much passed it like your man Haye :-X
:vd: I find it comical you say how I love David Haye...yet your lame ass brings Haye up. What has Haye got to do with this ?
you banned yourself cause you couldn't take all the Haye bashing lol so what are you talking about
Actually I banned myself because I had schoolwork to complete. Some of us are actually aiming to better ourselves all the time.
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leftylee
Danny beat you to it boy, so now run off to the "Pac thongs for sale" thread. They got some new designs in I heard.
and you'd be the first in line to watch David Haye's nude calender shoot, you'd probably volunteer to hold his fire hose if he was doing a firefighter shot :rolleyes:
3-0 ;D
and i know you're gonna try and blast me with some bullshit diss about Morales, but the only difference is Erik is a legend and Haye is about to get KTFO AGAIN!!! lol
Again...what has Haye got to do with this ?...and please how is it 3 nil....your just repeating yourself and adding a few smileys :vd: run along now kid
See my points above in bold.
point is anybody says that Wlad is gonna destroy Haye (and he will) or that he doesn't even deserve a shot at the title (he doesn't) you end up crying a river, and i'm no kid, i'm done with all the schoolwork bub, have a college degree at just 23 yrs of age, so yea go beat it, and i don't mean beat it to your pics of Haye either
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Rican
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ElTerribleMorales
i suspect he did but there isn't any neither will there ever be any proof unless Margarito or his trainer speak up and admit it
That is a laughable comment and it lacks logic. There is plenty of proof-the commission investigated the wraps (scientifically, no less) and made the ruling. Rarely do criminals admit their crimes. Some criminals admit to things crimes they never committed. That is why we have impartial (usually) jurys, grand jurys, and commissions that analyze evidence. But I don't want to beat a dead horse. I am simply pointing out the "terrible" lack of logic in your comment not debating whether margarito used illegal wraps. That has already been discussed ad nauseum.
yea theres proof he tried to use them against Mosley not Cotto, they don't have a time machine to check what fights he did and didn't use them in, the rest aside from the Mosley fight would just be speculation, no lack of logic it's just common sense :rolleyes:
Amazingly if he's used his handwraps his entire career then they obviously didn't help him against Paul Williams and he landed some big bombs on them as well. If they so devastatingly beat Cotto why couldn't they drop Paul Williams or put him on queer street? Unless we assume he has used them since Paul Williams beat him
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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Majesty
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Rican
That is a laughable comment and it lacks logic. There is plenty of proof-the commission investigated the wraps (scientifically, no less) and made the ruling. Rarely do criminals admit their crimes. Some criminals admit to things crimes they never committed. That is why we have impartial (usually) jurys, grand jurys, and commissions that analyze evidence. But I don't want to beat a dead horse. I am simply pointing out the "terrible" lack of logic in your comment not debating whether margarito used illegal wraps. That has already been discussed ad nauseum.
yea theres proof he tried to use them against Mosley not Cotto, they don't have a time machine to check what fights he did and didn't use them in, the rest aside from the Mosley fight would just be speculation, no lack of logic it's just common sense :rolleyes:
Amazingly if he's used his handwraps his entire career then they obviously didn't help him against Paul Williams and he landed some big bombs on them as well. If they so devastatingly beat Cotto why couldn't they drop Paul Williams or put him on queer street? Unless we assume he has used them since Paul Williams beat him
exactly what i'm saying,, there is no proof he used them in any other fight, i'm not saying that there isn't the possibility, but the truth is no one will ever know unless he or his trainer actually admit to it, which we know they wont, there is no way anyone can say if he did or not cause there is no way of proving it
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Majesty
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ElTerribleMorales
yea theres proof he tried to use them against Mosley not Cotto, they don't have a time machine to check what fights he did and didn't use them in, the rest aside from the Mosley fight would just be speculation, no lack of logic it's just common sense :rolleyes:
Amazingly if he's used his handwraps his entire career then they obviously didn't help him against Paul Williams and he landed some big bombs on them as well. If they so devastatingly beat Cotto why couldn't they drop Paul Williams or put him on queer street? Unless we assume he has used them since Paul Williams beat him
exactly what i'm saying,, there is no proof he used them in any other fight, i'm not saying that there isn't the possibility, but the truth is no one will ever know unless he or his trainer actually admit to it, which we know they wont, there is no way anyone can say if he did or not cause there is no way of proving it
Well Margarita hurt her hand against Clottey so most think Margarita began using the bricks soon after. Just glad the biatch got caught.
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ElTerribleMorales
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Majesty
Amazingly if he's used his handwraps his entire career then they obviously didn't help him against Paul Williams and he landed some big bombs on them as well. If they so devastatingly beat Cotto why couldn't they drop Paul Williams or put him on queer street? Unless we assume he has used them since Paul Williams beat him
exactly what i'm saying,, there is no proof he used them in any other fight, i'm not saying that there isn't the possibility, but the truth is no one will ever know unless he or his trainer actually admit to it, which we know they wont, there is no way anyone can say if he did or not cause there is no way of proving it
Well Margarita hurt her hand against Clottey so most
think Margarita began using the bricks soon after. Just glad the biatch got caught.
your own retarded ass just said it "THINK" NO WAY TO PROVE IT, THAT'S WHY COTTO'S 1 STAAAAYS
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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ElTerribleMorales
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Danny_G
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ElTerribleMorales
exactly what i'm saying,, there is no proof he used them in any other fight, i'm not saying that there isn't the possibility, but the truth is no one will ever know unless he or his trainer actually admit to it, which we know they wont, there is no way anyone can say if he did or not cause there is no way of proving it
Well Margarita hurt her hand against Clottey so most
think Margarita began using the bricks soon after. Just glad the biatch got caught.
your own retarded ass just said it "THINK" NO WAY TO PROVE IT, THAT'S WHY COTTO'S 1 STAAAAYS
There is no way to prove it? Are you serious? NO! No shiet sherlock but he tried using them against an OLD Mosley, what makes any one with half a brain think he might not have used them against a young bull like Cotto?
Stop acting like Cleopatra you little Queen Of Denial ;D
lol
Get it, The Nile, Denial ;D
I just thought I would have to explain that to you INDIO before you go off again trying to give me history lessons and you fail like you did with your Spanish classes you tried giving me earlier.
:lickish: Ooops!
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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ElTerribleMorales
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Danny_G
Well Margarita hurt her hand against Clottey so most think Margarita began using the bricks soon after. Just glad the biatch got caught.
your own retarded ass just said it "THINK" NO WAY TO PROVE IT, THAT'S WHY COTTO'S 1 STAAAAYS
There is no way to prove it? Are you serious? NO! No shiet sherlock but he tried using them against an OLD Mosley, what makes any one with half a brain think he might not have used them against a young bull like Cotto?
Stop acting like Cleopatra you little Queen Of Denial ;D
lol
Get it, The Nile, Denial ;D
I just thought I would have to explain that to you INDIO before you go off again trying to give me history lessons and you fail like you did with your Spanish classes you tried giving me earlier.
:lickish: Ooops!
think the queen bit goes more with you seein how you call all of the guys "honey" you fag lol
and you can think all you want, but as far a history is concerned Cotto got his ass handed July 26th 2008, gonna have to weep and cry yourself to sleep every night that his little 0 went away against what you call a JOURNEYMAN while Cotto was at his peak
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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The hype must be that all those guys had inflated records just like JCC Jr. or Yory Boy Campas who might have a nice-looking resume but against a bunch of nobodies or maybe just good journeymen. Just look at their records and see if they have any big name world class ranked champion or challenger in the list. Can we really say they are all top class opponents compared to other guys' resume's (Mosley, ODLH, Hopkins, etc.)? Maybe I am missing something, I don't know, but sometimes I wonder if Cotto will have a similar career like Fernando Vargas who was a good boxer and all but lost to top quality opponents who were in young and in their primes.
I don't dislike Cotto. The guy is not a trash-talker, has all around good skills (power, form, etc.), etc. It's just certain hardcore fans that make me want to see him lose again just like Pac hardcore fans. Pointing out flaws doesn't make anybody a hater or whatever, heck, I even point out flaws from guys I cheer for!
So you hate hardcore fans but yet you would suck the cum clean dry out of ODLH testicals if you had the chance. lol Does this mean I should hate ODLH even more because both of you are g@y?
;D
;D vice versa effect.. he hate himself..
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
Looks set for Cotto - Clottey, just wonder who is gonna be working Cotto's corner with all the stories about fighting in his camp. Should at least be a good match up that will quieten the critics who slam the level of Cott's opposition.
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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leftylee
Danny beat you to it boy, so now run off to the "Pac thongs for sale" thread. They got some new designs in I heard.
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ElTerribleMorales
you shouldn't be laughin so much cause at least it was against a fighter who was thought to be game and now under suspicion of using illegal wraps, not brutally against an old fighter who was very much passed it like your man Haye :-X
:vd: I find it comical you say how I love David Haye...yet your lame ass brings Haye up. What has Haye got to do with this ?
you banned yourself cause you couldn't take all the Haye bashing lol so what are you talking about
Actually I banned myself because I had schoolwork to complete. Some of us are actually aiming to better ourselves all the time.
and you'd be the first in line to watch David Haye's nude calender shoot, you'd probably volunteer to hold his fire hose if he was doing a firefighter shot :rolleyes:
3-0 ;D
and i know you're gonna try and blast me with some bullshit diss about Morales, but the only difference is Erik is a legend and Haye is about to get KTFO AGAIN!!! lol
Again...what has Haye got to do with this ?...and please how is it 3 nil....your just repeating yourself and adding a few smileys :vd: run along now kid
See my points above in bold.
point is anybody says that Wlad is gonna destroy Haye (and he will) or that he doesn't even deserve a shot at the title (he doesn't) you end up crying a river, and i'm no kid, i'm done with all the schoolwork bub, have a college degree at just 23 yrs of age, so yea go beat it, and i don't mean beat it to your pics of Haye either
Something tells me you're all bark and no bite, now it's your job to prove me wrong.
Let's have an avatar bet for 3 months? Simple terms deal or no deal, what do you say big man ? By the way I got a sig and rep points bet with DaxxKahn so I cant do those. They're for a WHOLE YEAR. That's how confident I am on Haye winning.
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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and was the favorite going into the pro fight, Cotto beat him easily
How can Abdulaev be a favorite vs Cotto back then when Cotto was totally unbeaten, with 19 KOs in 24 fights while Abdulaev barely had only 13 fights pro experience with 2 DQ wins and a KO loss already vs bunch of guys who brought nothing to the ring? It just doesn't make sense.
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guys like Maussa, Torres, etc. didn't have much on their record before they fought Cotto
Exactly. Reason why I see all these guys in Cotto's resume and not get impressed. Let's say those guys, after fighting Cotto, accomplished great victories vs lots of young top big names in their prime and won all kinds of championships, still, it doesn't do anything to the fact that when they faced Cotto they had nothing to bring to the ring and therefore Cotto stepped over them adding more victories to his resume and KOs. Actually, not really stepped over them since many of them rocked Cotto, bruised him, cut him, hurt him, almost TKOed him, etc.
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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Chino
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and was the favorite going into the pro fight, Cotto beat him easily
How can Abdulaev be a favorite vs Cotto back then when Cotto was totally unbeaten, with 19 KOs in 24 fights while Abdulaev barely had only 13 fights pro experience with 2 DQ wins and a KO loss already vs bunch of guys who brought nothing to the ring? It just doesn't make sense.
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guys like Maussa, Torres, etc. didn't have much on their record before they fought Cotto
Exactly. Reason why I see all these guys in Cotto's resume and not get impressed. Let's say those guys, after fighting Cotto, accomplished great victories vs lots of young top big names in their prime and won all kinds of championships, still, it doesn't do anything to the fact that when they faced Cotto they had nothing to bring to the ring and therefore Cotto stepped over them adding more victories to his resume and KOs. Actually, not really stepped over them since many of them rocked Cotto, bruised him, cut him, hurt him, almost TKOed him, etc.
the fact that they went on to be successful is enough proof that they were fully capable of of challenging and testing anyone
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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ElTerribleMorales
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Chino
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and was the favorite going into the pro fight, Cotto beat him easily
How can Abdulaev be a favorite vs Cotto back then when Cotto was totally unbeaten, with 19 KOs in 24 fights while Abdulaev barely had only 13 fights pro experience with 2 DQ wins and a KO loss already vs bunch of guys who brought nothing to the ring? It just doesn't make sense.
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guys like Maussa, Torres, etc. didn't have much on their record before they fought Cotto
Exactly. Reason why I see all these guys in Cotto's resume and not get impressed. Let's say those guys, after fighting Cotto, accomplished great victories vs lots of young top big names in their prime and won all kinds of championships, still, it doesn't do anything to the fact that when they faced Cotto they had nothing to bring to the ring and therefore Cotto stepped over them adding more victories to his resume and KOs. Actually, not really stepped over them since many of them rocked Cotto, bruised him, cut him, hurt him, almost TKOed him, etc.
the fact that they went on to be successful is enough proof that they were fully capable of of challenging and testing anyone
Not really, it means that Cotto faced them when they didn't bring anything to the ring and beat them with ease, well, not really with ease when most of those guys gave Cotto trouble and almost even had the referee saving Cotto from receiving more punishment. Past Cotto opponents don't really raise an eyebrow to me and still they gave Cotto trouble.
Anyways, let's go back to Cotto's resume and see where his past opponents are now.
Carlos Maussa had an inflated resume vs opponents that brought nothing to the ring so I am not sure if we can really say that beating Carlos Maussa was a totally awesome accomplishment. Where is he now? He lost his very last 3 fights and by KO.
Mohamad Abdulaev retired with just only 15 fights loosing his last 2 fights badly.
Marcus Corley's lost 7 of his very last 9 fights.
Where are they now?
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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Chino
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ElTerribleMorales
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Chino
How can Abdulaev be a favorite vs Cotto back then when Cotto was totally unbeaten, with 19 KOs in 24 fights while Abdulaev barely had only 13 fights pro experience with 2 DQ wins and a KO loss already vs bunch of guys who brought nothing to the ring? It just doesn't make sense.
Exactly. Reason why I see all these guys in Cotto's resume and not get impressed. Let's say those guys, after fighting Cotto, accomplished great victories vs lots of young top big names in their prime and won all kinds of championships, still, it doesn't do anything to the fact that when they faced Cotto they had nothing to bring to the ring and therefore Cotto stepped over them adding more victories to his resume and KOs. Actually, not really stepped over them since many of them rocked Cotto, bruised him, cut him, hurt him, almost TKOed him, etc.
the fact that they went on to be successful is enough proof that they were fully capable of of challenging and testing anyone
Not really, it means that Cotto faced them when they didn't bring anything to the ring and beat them with ease, well, not really with ease when most of those guys gave Cotto trouble and almost even had the referee saving Cotto from receiving more punishment. Past Cotto opponents don't really raise an eyebrow to me and still they gave Cotto trouble.
Anyways, let's go back to Cotto's resume and see where his past opponents are now.
Carlos Maussa had an inflated resume vs opponents that brought nothing to the ring so I am not sure if we can really say that beating Carlos Maussa was a totally awesome accomplishment. Where is he now? He lost his very last 3 fights and by KO.
Mohamad Abdulaev retired with just only 15 fights loosing his last 2 fights badly.
Marcus Corley's lost 7 of his very last 9 fights.
Where are they now?
don't know what fights you watched, he was rocked against Corley and then regained composure and outboxed him, and although it was stopped early the one dropping to his knee like a bitch 3 times in the same round was Corley, even if the fight continued he was gonna get KO'd and badly
Torres got dropped, came back and rocked Cotto, and Miguel regained composure, only time he was dropped and he still stood toe to toe with Torres dropping him with the straight right and then finally stopping him with the hook to the body, Torres went on to become WBO and stopping Holt (who by the way is still a big player at 140), only other fighter aside from Margarito to hurt him was Judah and well you know who took the worst beating there, if we're gonna go by your logic of they hadn't accomplished anything when they fought the marquee fighter here are a bunch of Mayweathers wins that shouldn't really be considered all that great,
Jesus Chavez
Carlos "el famoso" Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
hell not even Jose Luis Castillo seeing how he had only beat slightly faded fighters or controversial decisions at that time and already had 4 losses all by TKO (even though due to cuts)
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
Well looking at Cotto resume its ok but Torres got iced in a round and not sure were he stands now because i have not heard much. Paulie looked shitty in his outings and then got his ass handed to him by Hatton. Judha lost ever big fight damn near before Cotto and after Cotto so enough said. Then there is a Mosley win which i thought Mosley won but it was close i would of liked at least a draw but lets face it Mosley was 36 like 10 years older then Cotto and out of prime still was very close fight dude. As for the Margarito fight he lost and no proof from the fight of Margarito wrong doing just what people think but the record while show he won the fight.
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
Swearing ,blaming ,arguing and name calling = spam.
We have a decent reputation: you are making our main board look like a kindergarten.
All this "You're wrong, Im right"
"Ok then well your a fag etc".
Really do you ever re read what you actually write to people?
Its so childish.
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
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don't know what fights you watched, he was rocked against Corley and then regained composure and outboxed him, and although it was stopped early the one dropping to his knee like a 3 times in the same round was Corley, even if the fight continued he was gonna get KO'd and badly
Sure, but then again, did you see Corley as a threat? He came to fight Cotto after two losses and after going the distance with a soft-punching Darryl Tyson. Still, he managed to hurt Cotto. Cotto getting rocked, cut, bruised, etc. by someone like Mayweather, ODLH (in his prime), and any other big name in their prime would be a different story than getting rocked/cut/bruised/hurt by a journeyman.
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Torres got dropped, came back and rocked Cotto, and Miguel regained composure
Not really, the fight could have been stopped and I am surprised it didn't get stoped. Cotto was barely keeping balance all over the place when Torres hurt him bad until he was dropped. Later on Miguel took care of business of course.
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Torres went on to become WBO and stopping Holt (who by the way is still a big player at 140)
...who later came back months later to TKO him in less than 60 seconds of the fight. Not sure if we can say Holt is a big player specially after loosing against a soft hitting Tim Bradley and never looking for challenges outside Ontario (L.A.), California where he's at.
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if we're gonna go by your logic of they hadn't accomplished anything when they fought the marquee fighter here are a bunch of Mayweathers wins that shouldn't really be considered all that great
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Jesus Chavez
Carlos "el famoso" Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
hell not even Jose Luis Castillo seeing how he had only beat slightly faded fighters or controversial decisions at that time and already had 4 losses all by TKO (even though due to cuts)
That's right! I am not going to argue that. I think you are beginning to understand where I come from :) . That is why Cotto's resume doesn't raise an eyebrow to me. I see Cotto has the tools and all but would like to see a different kind of opposition. Maybe he could be going through the same times as Roy Jones where his skills were being questioned because of the quality of opposition he was facing a while back but it wasn't really his fault that the division didn't have top contenders. I really wish Mayweather didn't retire (is he coming back or what?) and get in the ring with Cotto. Now that would be a fight eventhough I give Mayweather the edge.
Now, Mayweather may not have a super super super exciting resume compared to others but at least he hasn't shown any clear weaknesses/flaws while Cotto has shown many. Mayweather has it all: speed, power, form, stamina, defense, etc.
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Re: Miguel Cotto, what if....
It's pretty obvious that those who don't think Cotto has had quality opponents will continue to think that way, but I will continue to argue to the contrary. Cotto has always fought whomever they have put in his path. He most definitely hasn't been coddled in any way. He has beaten very good fighters along the way. He has grown in leaps and bounds, adapting his style to whomever happens to be standing in front of him at the time. People said he was slow and couldn't box? He put on a boxing and jabbing display against Mosley. The haters right away said Mosley was too old? Mosley put THAT one to bed rather convincingly with his KO win over Margarito. Cotto's battles with weight at 140 were well known and published. When he came up to 147, his first fight was a devastating KO of Carlos Quintana, who had vanquished the well-regarded Joel Julio earlier on.
The argument will continue on and on and on and on. But the facts are there for all to see. And do I think Cotto will come back from his loss to Margarito and once again be atop the welterweight division? You betcha!
