Wlad Only Has Two Punches...

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Hulk

I noticed all of that as well. I would argue though that his hook is not bad.
So he's got 3 punches.

And he NEVER goes to the body. You know why? Cus when you go to the body you leave your head open and he's not about to do that.

Wlad is content to jab his opponent to death until he quits on his stool. Thats how he's been winning lately.

And its not all that exciting to watch. :p

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#1 He doesn't go to the body because he's 6'6 and he was fighting a guy who is 6'1, also if he is able to land AT WILL to the head then why bother?

#2 What boxer dead or alive wouldn't love to be able to dominate an opponent in such a simple fashion??? Wlad barely got touched and this is BOXING we're talking about "hit and don't get hit" so why all the hate?

Just because a guy is big doesn't mean he has to be a wild beast when he steps into the ring, infact, history tells us that the bigger they are usually the more cautious, the more controlling, and the more skilled you are then you'll have the better career than a big slugger who just throws punches all willy nilly....look at Michael Grant, Primo Carnera, and hell even a good big slugger like Gerry Cooney...if those guys could have boxed better then don't you think they would have had better careers??? Yes Wladimir IS an all-around fighter, he can knock you out with 1 punch and he can dominate you all fight long with his boxing skill and athletic ability....what more do you want other than that you want Wladimir to fight flaws first....run head on into danger and then see what happens and #1 That's the dumbest shit ever and #2 In doing that he's giving up all his best attributes and advantages and #3 That's not boxing.

Would you ask anyone else to give up their best attributes in a fight?? Would you tell Cotto to fight like Willie Pep? Would you tell Ali to load up on his punches and throw one punch at a time while walking down his opponent??? No! so why ask Wladimir to do something NOBODY with his skill sets would ever fucking do?????

Also I can tell you David Haye has NO chance, I would say he has a puncher's chance but I doubt he even has that...it's going to be hard for David to even get a shot at Wladimir now....he's talked too much and come through with too little and Haye will get beaten by an average to club level heavyweight before then anyway

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#1. Wlad fights like a big pussy.

#2. Are Bonita Fish big?

#3. Why did you take me out of your top friends on myspace!?

The fight was boring and I ain't a Wlad fan but you have to blame Chagaev for not giving Wlad a reason to use more than two punches. Chagaev was coming in straight so that's all Wlad had to deal with.

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Originally Posted by Slowmotion426

Wlad brings out a fuller range of punches when necessary. He adapts to his opponnent and uses what works. He's the best.

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That is one ugly av. :o

Wlad only really uses his jab and right hand because he doesn't have to use any other punches. He's so dominant with them.

he also has a good left hook, i would like if he used it more often though.

I would also like to see him work an opponents body, he could of taken out alot of guys sooner if he went downstairs sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Kel

The fight was boring and I ain't a Wlad fan but you have to blame Chagaev for not giving Wlad a reason to use more than two punches. Chagaev was coming in straight so that's all Wlad had to deal with.

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No offense. But it's kind of a dumb mentality to save punches for when another fighter gives you reason to use them.

Which sounds better "well he is giving me all these openings but im gonna not take them and wait for him to hurt me before I use any other punches" or "he is giving me all these openings, I'm gonna exploit them now and get him out of there"

It's not that the openings weren't there, but the fact some fans are trying to defend Wladimer by saying he should be forced to use other punches is a little dumb because it makes no sense to wait until you are hurt to remember you had a left hook. Chances are once a fighter finds a way inside Wladimer's jab the rest of his offense isn't going to mean much. So why not just get them out there the instant the openings are there instead of delaying it .

consider what he said after the fight - essentially he'd like to punish Haye for 11 rounds and knock him out in the 12th.

You can show your dominance by ko'ing them in the 1st round you can also show your dominance by making them look stupid for 12 rounds;)

One version you might get away with by saying they got caught cold or it was a lucky punch, the other way you get humiliated round after round.

He has a much varied arsenal but peoples just can't adapt his jab and his right hand, why would he be silly enough to change a proven effective recipe? Why would the guy take any further risks when he mangles his opponents and when nobody ever found the key to these 2 punches?
Does some people over here silly enough to think that Emmanuel Stewart, one of the very best in the business only teach them 2 hits? course not, they practice loads of other punches but the strategy is simple: jab jab in the distance and piston them with the right, if they can adapt or find a solution, do X and Y, till them, just do that it works". It is silly to think that he can only do that and it is more than silly not to admit that boxers simply can,t adapt this style at the moment, which reflects how good he is. exciting? NO, but Lewis wasn't neither, but good? Damn sure.

Its hard to appreciate Wladimir Klitschko becuase he's hardly an entertainer and you would like to see some entertainment during a fight ay?

Some would say this is a Blood Sport not Ballet.

But that being said, Wladimir is one hell of a dominant fighter. Regardless of how controlled he is, you can't detract from his standing as a Champion. Absolutely Dominant.

I think the problem here is that Wladimir Klitschko is the ONLY talented he Heavyweight out there, wich is a real shame, but not he's fault. So i cant go hating on him. (Although it is perfectly acceptable to call him boring. The High perecntage K.O ratio is almost an insult :p )

Also, the phrase 'Career Defining Fight' springs to mind ;)

He hasn't needed more than two punches.....not his fault why add risk or more wear and tear on your body because of the lack of your comp. I have a hard time watching these boring fights along with everyone else but i don't blame the guy, give him a reason to fight. I wouldn't even take off my street clothes for most of these guys, him warming up is more effort than he really needs to be putting out.

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Originally Posted by Mar

He hasn't needed more than two punches.....not his fault why add risk or more wear and tear on your body because of the lack of your comp. I have a hard time watching these boring fights along with everyone else but i don't blame the guy, give him a reason to fight. I wouldn't even take off my street clothes for most of these guys, him warming up is more effort than he really needs to be putting out.

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Why risk more wear and tear on his body:rolleyes:

He's a fighter...and as a fighter he puts himself at Greater risk of injury the longer he is in the ring..thats just logic.:rolleyes:

It actually makes much more sense to beast down on an opponent to get yourself the hell out of there a lot quicker..especilly against some of the Muppets he has fought, who could actually take heart by the lack of enthusiasm for the fight he shows'..What is he really going to do by throwing a few more punches and prolonging the attack in each round? BRUISE HIS KNUCKLES:cool:

For Wlad its not a case of LOW WORKRATE to lessen the risk of injury or wear and tear and more about not wanting to be hit...he has'nt the Heart for a War...so he only pushes his jab into an opponent as a spoiling tool..Pure and Simple!

mofo, could you please tell me what fighter ENJOYED getting hit???

Wladimir is a dominant champion and probably won't be fully respected until he retires and leaves the division in flux.

I think Nicolay Valuev would open up Wladimir's offense, Tony Thompson kept Wlad busier than most opponents

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Originally Posted by Lyle

mofo, could you please tell me what fighter ENJOYED getting hit???

Wladimir is a dominant champion and probably won't be fully respected until he retires and leaves the division in flux.

I think Nicolay Valuev would open up Wladimir's offense, Tony Thompson kept Wlad busier than most opponents

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Kid Thunder:confused:

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Originally Posted by Lyle

mofo, could you please tell me what fighter ENJOYED getting hit???

Wladimir is a dominant champion and probably won't be fully respected until he retires and leaves the division in flux.

I think Nicolay Valuev would open up Wladimir's offense, Tony Thompson kept Wlad busier than most opponents

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I still don't know how Tony Thompson landed more punches than Wladimir that night yet won only 2 rounds maximum.

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Originally Posted by LEGION

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Originally Posted by Lyle

mofo, could you please tell me what fighter ENJOYED getting hit???

Wladimir is a dominant champion and probably won't be fully respected until he retires and leaves the division in flux.

I think Nicolay Valuev would open up Wladimir's offense, Tony Thompson kept Wlad busier than most opponents

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Kid Thunder:confused:

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Is he still around, by the way?

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Originally Posted by Nameless

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Originally Posted by LEGION

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Originally Posted by Lyle

mofo, could you please tell me what fighter ENJOYED getting hit???

Wladimir is a dominant champion and probably won't be fully respected until he retires and leaves the division in flux.

I think Nicolay Valuev would open up Wladimir's offense, Tony Thompson kept Wlad busier than most opponents

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Kid Thunder:confused:

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Is he still around, by the way?

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No I think he called it quits and decided to go to Harvard to pursue a degree in political science...not sure.:confused:

How would Holyfield do against him?

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Originally Posted by boba

How would Holyfield do against him?

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Today?

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Originally Posted by Kel

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Originally Posted by boba

How would Holyfield do against him?

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Today?

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No silly, tomorrow:bucktooth:

Prime Holyfield makes Wlad look silly. Today Wlad probably kills him.

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Originally Posted by leftylee

I still don't know how Tony Thompson landed more punches than Wladimir that night yet won only 2 rounds maximum.

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Well to be honest I think it was the types of punches Tony landed, also the ring generalship aspect of scoring fights has to be taken into account....also it's a moot point as Wladimir knocked him out.

Prime Holyfield would have been kept at bay for a while but I think his beard and his workrate would bother anyone and that anyone includes Wlad. Evander did like getting on the inside and so far we haven't really seen anyone get there and stay there vs Wladimir....I know a Prime Holyfield could walk through big punches so I know he could get there but how he would get there I don't know.

People would have been happier if Chagaev had come out for the 11th and gotten stopped in the ring. So it's really Chagaev's fault;D

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Originally Posted by Lyle

mofo, could you please tell me what fighter ENJOYED getting hit???

Wladimir is a dominant champion and probably won't be fully respected until he retires and leaves the division in flux.

I think Nicolay Valuev would open up Wladimir's offense, Tony Thompson kept Wlad busier than most opponents

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The point I was trying to make...was that fighters accept as a consequence getting hit but when they see an opponent hurting they throw a little caution to the wind and go looking to finish them off!!

They will use there ringcraft to cut of an opponent...pressureise...and then finish them!!

Wlad really never does this...

He appears almost scared to get hit...he does'nt like to chance things even when he's in complete charge of a fight..this tells me that he does'nt like to be hit or mix it up because of it!!

Its obvious I don't rate him highly,but i'm not a Hater just more of a doubter..I want the HW Champion of the world to look the part when he fights but Wlad just Ambles on!! Maybe as you say he will get credit and his respect when he retires,but I cannot help but be disappointed in him now!

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by Kel

The fight was boring and I ain't a Wlad fan but you have to blame Chagaev for not giving Wlad a reason to use more than two punches. Chagaev was coming in straight so that's all Wlad had to deal with.

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No offense. But it's kind of a dumb mentality to save punches for when another fighter gives you reason to use them.

Which sounds better "well he is giving me all these openings but im gonna not take them and wait for him to hurt me before I use any other punches" or "he is giving me all these openings, I'm gonna exploit them now and get him out of there"

It's not that the openings weren't there, but the fact some fans are trying to defend Wladimer by saying he should be forced to use other punches is a little dumb because it makes no sense to wait until you are hurt to remember you had a left hook. Chances are once a fighter finds a way inside Wladimer's jab the rest of his offense isn't going to mean much. So why not just get them out there the instant the openings are there instead of delaying it .

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I hear you, Wlad is shit scared of taking chances these days, he fights every round like it was the first as if he is just getting a feel for the fighter.

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Originally Posted by mofo2

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Originally Posted by Lyle

mofo, could you please tell me what fighter ENJOYED getting hit???

Wladimir is a dominant champion and probably won't be fully respected until he retires and leaves the division in flux.

I think Nicolay Valuev would open up Wladimir's offense, Tony Thompson kept Wlad busier than most opponents

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The point I was trying to make...was that fighters accept as a consequence getting hit but when they see an opponent hurting they throw a little caution to the wind and go looking to finish them off!!

They will use there ringcraft to cut of an opponent...pressureise...and then finish them!!

Wlad really never does this...

He appears almost scared to get hit...he does'nt like to chance things even when he's in complete charge of a fight..this tells me that he does'nt like to be hit or mix it up because of it!!

Its obvious I don't rate him highly,but i'm not a Hater just more of a doubter..I want the HW Champion of the world to look the part when he fights but Wlad just Ambles on!! Maybe as you say he will get credit and his respect when he retires,but I cannot help but be disappointed in him now!

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I think your spot on, he does not use his abilities to effect, he used to throw bombs once upon a time.

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Originally Posted by Kel

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Originally Posted by mofo2

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Originally Posted by Lyle

mofo, could you please tell me what fighter ENJOYED getting hit???

Wladimir is a dominant champion and probably won't be fully respected until he retires and leaves the division in flux.

I think Nicolay Valuev would open up Wladimir's offense, Tony Thompson kept Wlad busier than most opponents

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The point I was trying to make...was that fighters accept as a consequence getting hit but when they see an opponent hurting they throw a little caution to the wind and go looking to finish them off!!

They will use there ringcraft to cut of an opponent...pressureise...and then finish them!!

Wlad really never does this...

He appears almost scared to get hit...he does'nt like to chance things even when he's in complete charge of a fight..this tells me that he does'nt like to be hit or mix it up because of it!!

Its obvious I don't rate him highly,but i'm not a Hater just more of a doubter..I want the HW Champion of the world to look the part when he fights but Wlad just Ambles on!! Maybe as you say he will get credit and his respect when he retires,but I cannot help but be disappointed in him now!

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I think your spot on, he does not use his abilities to effect, he used to throw bombs once upon a time.

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He did one upon a time your're right,so I wonder why the change....One thing is for Sure though..If he chooses to try and SPOIL against Haye he will be in Big trouble

the hard punch and the really hard punch?

I think Wlad is versitile enough with his punches. Like they say, "if ain't broke, don't fix it".