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Re: Pac agrees to 145 lbs!!!
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Originally Posted by
JazMerkin
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Originally Posted by
Taeth
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
lmao Taeth understands sarcasm worse than ICB.
;D
I understand well formated sarcasm, but when it makes no sense I don't understand it.
Anyways IMO 145 can help Cotto because it will make his movement a little quicker which is the only chance he has of catching Pacquiao, even if he was as fast as he was at 140, I just can't see Miguel cutting the distance as quick as Manny can expand it.
It did have the sarcasm (:rolleyes:) smiley next to it, that should have been the dead giveaway
I don't think 145 will help Cotto, but I don't see it majorly hindering him. Pacquiao beats him though, my only concern is both guys are fairly strong starters & can fade off a bit, so that might play into one of their hands
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
If Cotto looks fresh... which he should at 145, then how can there be any excuses?
I've been one of his biggest critics for the catchweights and I don't think 145 is that big a deal for cotto :rolleyes:
Fair play to Roach and arum... by flirting with 142 etc they've made 145 seem like a really good deal... probably the plan all along :D
it still does baffle me why they've asked for him to shave 1 pound off ??? either they think they're being clever or it's just Diva behaviour... Cotto feels comfortable at Welter... he has a pound to play around with on the scales... so there's no stress for him.
All I can think of is that he's only going to be very very slightly more stressed about making the weight. Just seems like Pac has wanted to throw his weight around (pun unintended) and dictate things for the sake of dictating them. I'm sure his fans will call it mind games or some shit... :vd:
Credit to Pac for almost stepping up in weight properly though... (lol the 142 bluffs/shit even make me happy with a catchweight)
Nice to see you on board now Adam and are finally agreeing with me that a 145 catchweight was no big deal.
Rains was being sarcastic though, he was rolling his eyes at the likes of you who in the past made posts telling us that even a single pound was critical and that Cotto would be a shell of a fighter if he fought at anything less than welterweight ;)
Now you're even hoping for more catchweight fights with Mosely at 145, interesting turn around.
Don't start with me... :vd:
Can you find a quote from me were I said that Cotto would be a 'shell of a fighter' for dropping one pound?
I was saying that even a pound
COULD be a big factor depending on the fighter... and that still reigns true.
my point was not too say that an
individual fighter
can't possibly lose a
single pound... but that each one
can be significant... every one past a certain point represents fluids and sugars drained from organs.
All I've wanted to do is make Pac's fans 100% clear of his intentions in getting people to drop weight for him now that he is up to welterweight (sort of...) and that is a stone cold fact... I've not even criticism him for doing it... I've said, countless times... fairplay to him for sorting a mega fight under the fight conditions... his fans talk about him as if he is holier than jesus christ though.
There have been multiple weights talked about for two fighters of completely different stature... Do I think Cotto can do drop a pound? Do I think he'd be drained below 143? Do I think Mosely is tight at 147 and may struggle to go lower? Do I think a Mosely fight at 140 would be crazy and Cotto may struggle too?
Possibly
(Do you purposefully not read the ifs, coulds, cans and mays in posts so you can be more belligerent ???)
But I don't even profuse to know how well Cotto will do at getting down to any weight... I know what possibilities there are and I know what factors his team will be up against in getting him down to
any weight... When will I know if they've pulled it off or not? FIGHT NIGHT... the same as everybody else.
And yeah... I said I'd like to see Pac-Mosely at 145... two things you (suprisingly :vd:) didn't seem to pick up on was the fact that I said
IF Mosely could do the weight and also the large amount of blatant sarcasm (thanks for pointing out that he was being sarcastic btw... :rolleyes:) from me saying that Arum had made 145 seem like such a good deal.
Now go and scuttle off and try and quote me as saying that
145 would definitely be too much for
cotto.
You created an entire thread telling us how you hated the way Pacquaio was blatently trying to weight drain fighters, saying if it was about ahievement or respect he'd move up to the weight and fight them properly.
Here's one quote from you
I'm sure plenty of people can and will disagree with this but there is one thing I keep on hearing from people who clearly have very little knowledge of human physiology and a boxer's weight making process - "What difference will a pound or two make?".
A few posters including myself have challenged those 'informed opinions' and the likes of Bilbo and other pac fans have tried to react as if disagreeing is crazy
Well it seems now you are agreeing with my 'informed' opinion after all.
No doubt you will now say you're rants wern't to do with Cotto fighting Manny at 145 but about even lower catchweights but the FACTS are you bitched and moaned about this fight being made saying Manny was doing it to drain Cotto and when I insisited it was a great fight (at 145) you created an entire thread as to why you disagreed.
All of my arguments related to this have been specifically about Manny fighting Cotto at a catchweight of 145 lbs. I have never waivered from that so what were you actually disagreeing with me over?
If you too think at 145 matchup between the pair is a great fight then why all the toy throwing and hissy fits about it?
I've been proven correct. A catchweight at 145 lbs IS a great fight, one that virtually everyone wants to see.
Any talk about catchweights at 142 or 143 or whether Mosely can go under 147 is completely irelevent, nobody but you every brought them up.
I have only ever spoke specifically about a fight at 145 lbs between Cotto and Manny and you disagreed every single time I said it was a great fight.
But now you don't. :confused:
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Re: Pac agrees to 145 lbs!!!
I don't see Pac disposing Cotto ala Hatton style. It's more like David Diaz style where Cotto MIGHT get cut severely in the eyebrows and bumps below the eyes. Speed will difinitely play a big part. Pac just gotta watch out for Cotto's lethal jab cuz it's very unpredictable. Roach must focus on that.
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Re: Pac agrees to 145 lbs!!!
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Originally Posted by
ASIAN SENSATION
I don't see Pac disposing Cotto ala Hatton style. It's more like David Diaz style where Cotto MIGHT get cut severely in the eyebrows and bumps below the eyes. Speed will difinitely play a big part. Pac just gotta watch out for Cotto's lethal jab cuz it's very unpredictable. Roach must focus on that.
Cotto is way better than David Diaz.
This is in no a gimme fight, its a huge test for Manny.
There is every chance Manny could get KO'd in this fight, I'm simply amazed at how quickly Cotto's chances have been written off.
We are talking about a former superfeatherweight taking on one of the best p4p fighters in the world at welterweight.
It's a pick'em fight imo.
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Re: Pac agrees to 145 lbs!!!
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Originally Posted by
ASIAN SENSATION
I don't see Pac disposing Cotto ala Hatton style. It's more like David Diaz style where Cotto MIGHT get cut severely in the eyebrows and bumps below the eyes. Speed will difinitely play a big part. Pac just gotta watch out for Cotto's lethal jab cuz it's very unpredictable. Roach must focus on that.
Idk man i dnt trust Cotto's chin. Its defenetly breakable and im pretty sure Pac is goin to shatter it.
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Re: Pac agrees to 145 lbs!!!
i don't see Pac beating Cotto period
Cotto's not as slow as some are making him out to be, he has awesome timing to make up for the slight edge in speed that goes to Pac, IMO Cotto's the harder hitting stronger guy, he has no problems with southpaw, infact he fights very well in the southpaw stance himself, so his constant switching could actually cause Manny problems
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Re: Pac agrees to 145 lbs!!!
The weigh-in should take place in the morning. Pacquiao is giving Cotto's weigh advantage. Remember Pacquiao highest weight is 148 lbs while Cotto can rehydrate at 160lbs.
145 lbs is reasonable but it should take place the weigh in in the morning.
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Re: Pac agrees to 145 lbs!!!
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Originally Posted by
BlackHawk
The weigh-in should take place in the morning. Pacquiao is giving Cotto's weigh advantage. Remember Pacquiao highest weight is 148 lbs while Cotto can rehydrate at 160lbs.
145 lbs is reasonable but it should take place the weigh in in the morning.
Lol, what do you think Pacquiao could do that was unreasonable? Having a pair of knuckle-dusters for handwraps? Being allowed to use an axe?
God, that Cotto is unreasonable having standard weigh-in rules :rolleyes:
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Re: Pac agrees to 145 lbs!!!
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
i don't see Pac beating Cotto period
Cotto's not as slow as some are making him out to be, he has awesome timing to make up for the slight edge in speed that goes to Pac, IMO Cotto's the harder hitting stronger guy, he has no problems with southpaw, infact he fights very well in the southpaw stance himself, so his constant switching could actually cause Manny problems
Cotto has only foughten good southpaws though, and He looked great against Quintana, but he didn't look great against Judah in many parts of that fight, and its not just a slight speed edge for Manny, he is way faster, especially in his footspeed which Quintana didn't have and Judah didn't use.
That is why Oscar and Hatton had nobody to land on. Also timing works against speed when the guy with doesn't have superior timing, when that is the case it only works against the other fighter. Manny is great at getting in quickly, landing one punch, and getting out.
I do agree that Cotto is far too great of a fighter to be written off, but his chances IMO can't be higher than 30%, but I could definitely see him ko'ing Manny if he is able to cut off the ring, which I don't think he will be able to do.
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Re: Pac agrees to 145 lbs!!!
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Originally Posted by
BlackHawk
The weigh-in should take place in the morning. Pacquiao is giving Cotto's weigh advantage. Remember Pacquiao highest weight is 148 lbs while Cotto can rehydrate at 160lbs.
145 lbs is reasonable but it should take place the weigh in in the morning.
Why should it?? Your going on as if Pac is a featherweight or something? Hes the number 1 fighter at 140 lbs hes going up in weight that many fighters do, because he is the cash cow in this fight and p4p number 1 he has been able to negotiate the fight 145. I think with the current situation its a fair weight.
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Re: Pac agrees to 145 lbs!!!
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
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Originally Posted by
JazMerkin
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Originally Posted by
Taeth
I understand well formated sarcasm, but when it makes no sense I don't understand it.
Anyways IMO 145 can help Cotto because it will make his movement a little quicker which is the only chance he has of catching Pacquiao, even if he was as fast as he was at 140, I just can't see Miguel cutting the distance as quick as Manny can expand it.
It did have the sarcasm (:rolleyes:) smiley next to it, that should have been the dead giveaway
I don't think 145 will help Cotto, but I don't see it majorly hindering him. Pacquiao beats him though, my only concern is both guys are fairly strong starters & can fade off a bit, so that might play into one of their hands
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AdamGB
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
Nice to see you on board now Adam and are finally agreeing with me that a 145 catchweight was no big deal.
Rains was being sarcastic though, he was rolling his eyes at the likes of you who in the past made posts telling us that even a single pound was critical and that Cotto would be a shell of a fighter if he fought at anything less than welterweight ;)
Now you're even hoping for more catchweight fights with Mosely at 145, interesting turn around.
Don't start with me... :vd:
Can you find a quote from me were I said that Cotto would be a 'shell of a fighter' for dropping one pound?
I was saying that even a pound
COULD be a big factor depending on the fighter... and that still reigns true.
my point was not too say that an
individual fighter
can't possibly lose a
single pound... but that each one
can be significant... every one past a certain point represents fluids and sugars drained from organs.
All I've wanted to do is make Pac's fans 100% clear of his intentions in getting people to drop weight for him now that he is up to welterweight (sort of...) and that is a stone cold fact... I've not even criticism him for doing it... I've said, countless times... fairplay to him for sorting a mega fight under the fight conditions... his fans talk about him as if he is holier than jesus christ though.
There have been multiple weights talked about for two fighters of completely different stature... Do I think Cotto can do drop a pound? Do I think he'd be drained below 143? Do I think Mosely is tight at 147 and may struggle to go lower? Do I think a Mosely fight at 140 would be crazy and Cotto may struggle too?
Possibly
(Do you purposefully not read the ifs, coulds, cans and mays in posts so you can be more belligerent ???)
But I don't even profuse to know how well Cotto will do at getting down to any weight... I know what possibilities there are and I know what factors his team will be up against in getting him down to
any weight... When will I know if they've pulled it off or not? FIGHT NIGHT... the same as everybody else.
And yeah... I said I'd like to see Pac-Mosely at 145... two things you (suprisingly :vd:) didn't seem to pick up on was the fact that I said
IF Mosely could do the weight and also the large amount of blatant sarcasm (thanks for pointing out that he was being sarcastic btw... :rolleyes:) from me saying that Arum had made 145 seem like such a good deal.
Now go and scuttle off and try and quote me as saying that
145 would definitely be too much for
cotto.
You created an entire thread telling us how you hated the way Pacquaio was blatently trying to weight drain fighters, saying if it was about ahievement or respect he'd move up to the weight and fight them properly.
Here's one quote from you
I'm sure plenty of people can and will disagree with this but there is one thing I keep on hearing from people who clearly have very little knowledge of human physiology and a boxer's weight making process - "What difference will a pound or two make?".
A few posters including myself have challenged those 'informed opinions' and the likes of Bilbo and other pac fans have tried to react as if disagreeing is crazy
Well it seems now you are agreeing with my 'informed' opinion after all.
:vd: I've just fucking said that a pound COULD be significant... I said it in that thread and I said it in this thread... change your name to Micheal Moore please, you remind me of him. Why would me knowledge regarding homeostasis change on nothing more than a whim exactly?
No doubt you will now say you're rants wern't to do with Cotto fighting Manny at 145 but about even lower catchweights
lol... Bilbo they weren't... I'm sorry but I can't change that. I wanted to make sure the Pac minions knew what whiter than white Pac's intentions are in asking fighters to drop extra weight (you still haven't answered why he's asked for 145). I have never mady any cement predictions regarding outcomes... just intentions... hence the fact that all you've been able to come out with is a quote about me talking about weight loss in general.
Again with the Micheal Moorer crap... you know my posting wasn't specific, yet you used the quote anyway... trying to embarass me out of countering your argument by pre-emptivly saying "I know you're going to say-" nice attempt at tactics/debate skills... but your bullshit won't work.
but the FACTS are you bitched and moaned about this fight being made saying Manny was doing it to drain Cotto
No Bilbo... for fucks sake come on... again do you just not register words like if, could or may? His intention is to take Cotto's edge off by extending his boil down... I have never said if this will work or not and what weight he would have to ask for to do it... again just his intention
and when I insisited it was a great fight (at 145) you created an entire thread as to why you disagreed.
No... I created an entire thread when posters with little to no knowledge of human physiology were making ludicrous statements that draining a pound of fluids and glycogen from a person's already dehydrated body would be insignificant. I even said that if Pac beat Cotto it would be a GREAT achievment but that it would be down a notch from if it wasn't at a catchweight... so yeah, not only was that not the point point of my postings but it's basically the complete opposite to what you just said. I can see the shit you're trying to pull here but it won't work because I know EXACTLY what I've said. <3
All of my arguments related to this have been specifically about Manny fighting Cotto at a catchweight of 145 lbs. I have never waivered from that so what were you actually disagreeing with me over?
Are you a little Butt hurt because I mentioned you in the thread? Get over yourself... a few people made smiliar 'what's a few pounds going to do" type posts... I just happened to remember yours. You could have spent all day talking about Yettis bilbo... that wouldn't magically make my post regarding Yettis though... I clearly outlined in my post that I was talking about the hypothetical loss of an extra pound... in no specific fight... I even explained that this was because Pac's catchweights and the hypothetical outcomes for various fighters can be discussed to death. basic physiology cannot.
If you too think at 145 matchup between the pair is a great fight then why all the toy throwing and hissy fits about it?
I've been proven correct. A catchweight at 145 lbs IS a great fight, one that virtually everyone wants to see.
hahahah! no you haven't! :o:-X
Any talk about catchweights at 142 or 143 or whether Mosely can go under 147 is completely irelevent,
lol... yeah! they are... regarding a fight between cotto at 145 anyway
nobody but you every brought them up.
lol... ok... so are you telling me that when I was either talking about general physiology to try and educate the likes of you or Shane's ability to hit catchweights that I was actually talking about Cotto? lol... I guess they need to fire your/my school's english teachers then
I have only ever spoke specifically about a fight at 145 lbs between Cotto and Manny and you disagreed every single time I said it was a great fight.
I belive I've addressed this already... my intention was for pac's minions to understand what his intentions were.... not tear the fight to peices.
But now you don't. :confused:
Nice try... :)
Also, again... please explain to me in detail, Pac's intention in making Cotto lose a pound.
Seeing as we both know one pound of mass difference on fight night is insignificant and Pac intending to take Cotto's edge off by extending his boil down is ludicrous accoring to you... then what could his intention be?
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Re: Pac agrees to 145 lbs!!!
I never thoought this would happen. Good on both men and Arum for seeing sense!
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Re: Pac agrees to 145 lbs!!!
I'm sure there's still a hiccup or two coming in the promotion. Just because Michael Koncz or whoever is flying over that doesn't tell me the fight is definitely getting signed. It was supposedly as good as signed about 3 weeks ago then it all went back & forth again. Once I see them standing together I'll believe it.
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Re: Pac agrees to 145 lbs!!!
Obviously I'll be rooting for my hometown boy, Cotto. But much respect to Pacquaio for agreeing to 145, which shouldn't be much of a stretch for Cotto.
I think Cotto will win, if only for his warrior mentality and his resourcefulness. AND... he's got the boxing skills and power to go along with it.
HOWEVER (there's always a catch)... Cotto needs to show the speed he showed against Mosley, and also needs to make sure he brings his "A-game" defense to the fight. Finally, I hope his cut heals well, 'cause its sure to be tested against Manny. Either way... it should be a hell of a fight. Can't wait!!
;D :)
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Re: Pac agrees to 145 lbs!!!
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
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Originally Posted by
JazMerkin
It did have the sarcasm (:rolleyes:) smiley next to it, that should have been the dead giveaway
I don't think 145 will help Cotto, but I don't see it majorly hindering him. Pacquiao beats him though, my only concern is both guys are fairly strong starters & can fade off a bit, so that might play into one of their hands
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
Don't start with me... :vd:
Can you find a quote from me were I said that Cotto would be a 'shell of a fighter' for dropping one pound?
I was saying that even a pound COULD be a big factor depending on the fighter... and that still reigns true.
my point was not too say that an individual fighter can't possibly lose a single pound... but that each one can be significant... every one past a certain point represents fluids and sugars drained from organs.
All I've wanted to do is make Pac's fans 100% clear of his intentions in getting people to drop weight for him now that he is up to welterweight (sort of...) and that is a stone cold fact... I've not even criticism him for doing it... I've said, countless times... fairplay to him for sorting a mega fight under the fight conditions... his fans talk about him as if he is holier than jesus christ though.
There have been multiple weights talked about for two fighters of completely different stature... Do I think Cotto can do drop a pound? Do I think he'd be drained below 143? Do I think Mosely is tight at 147 and may struggle to go lower? Do I think a Mosely fight at 140 would be crazy and Cotto may struggle too?
Possibly
(Do you purposefully not read the ifs, coulds, cans and mays in posts so you can be more belligerent ???)
But I don't even profuse to know how well Cotto will do at getting down to any weight... I know what possibilities there are and I know what factors his team will be up against in getting him down to any weight... When will I know if they've pulled it off or not? FIGHT NIGHT... the same as everybody else.
And yeah... I said I'd like to see Pac-Mosely at 145... two things you (suprisingly :vd:) didn't seem to pick up on was the fact that I said IF Mosely could do the weight and also the large amount of blatant sarcasm (thanks for pointing out that he was being sarcastic btw... :rolleyes:) from me saying that Arum had made 145 seem like such a good deal.
Now go and scuttle off and try and quote me as saying that 145 would definitely be too much for cotto.
You created an entire thread telling us how you hated the way Pacquaio was blatently trying to weight drain fighters, saying if it was about ahievement or respect he'd move up to the weight and fight them properly.
Here's one quote from you
I'm sure plenty of people can and will disagree with this but there is one thing I keep on hearing from people who clearly have very little knowledge of human physiology and a boxer's weight making process - "What difference will a pound or two make?".
A few posters including myself have challenged those 'informed opinions' and the likes of Bilbo and other pac fans have tried to react as if disagreeing is crazy
Well it seems now you are agreeing with my 'informed' opinion after all.
:vd: I've just fucking said that a pound COULD be significant... I said it in that thread and I said it in this thread... change your name to Micheal Moore please, you remind me of him. Why would me knowledge regarding homeostasis change on nothing more than a whim exactly?
No doubt you will now say you're rants wern't to do with Cotto fighting Manny at 145 but about even lower catchweights
lol... Bilbo they weren't... I'm sorry but I can't change that. I wanted to make sure the Pac minions knew what whiter than white Pac's intentions are in asking fighters to drop extra weight (you still haven't answered why he's asked for 145). I have never mady any cement predictions regarding outcomes... just intentions... hence the fact that all you've been able to come out with is a quote about me talking about weight loss in general.
Again with the Micheal Moorer crap... you know my posting wasn't specific, yet you used the quote anyway... trying to embarass me out of countering your argument by pre-emptivly saying "I know you're going to say-" nice attempt at tactics/debate skills... but your bullshit won't work.
but the FACTS are you bitched and moaned about this fight being made saying Manny was doing it to drain Cotto
No Bilbo... for fucks sake come on... again do you just not register words like if, could or may? His intention is to take Cotto's edge off by extending his boil down... I have never said if this will work or not and what weight he would have to ask for to do it... again just his intention
and when I insisited it was a great fight (at 145) you created an entire thread as to why you disagreed.
No... I created an entire thread when posters with little to no knowledge of human physiology were making ludicrous statements that draining a pound of fluids and glycogen from a person's already dehydrated body would be insignificant. I even said that if Pac beat Cotto it would be a GREAT achievment but that it would be down a notch from if it wasn't at a catchweight... so yeah, not only was that not the point point of my postings but it's basically the complete opposite to what you just said. I can see the shit you're trying to pull here but it won't work because I know EXACTLY what I've said. <3
All of my arguments related to this have been specifically about Manny fighting Cotto at a catchweight of 145 lbs. I have never waivered from that so what were you actually disagreeing with me over?
Are you a little Butt hurt because I mentioned you in the thread? Get over yourself... a few people made smiliar 'what's a few pounds going to do" type posts... I just happened to remember yours. You could have spent all day talking about Yettis bilbo... that wouldn't magically make my post regarding Yettis though... I clearly outlined in my post that I was talking about the hypothetical loss of an extra pound... in no specific fight... I even explained that this was because Pac's catchweights and the hypothetical outcomes for various fighters can be discussed to death. basic physiology cannot.
If you too think at 145 matchup between the pair is a great fight then why all the toy throwing and hissy fits about it?
I've been proven correct. A catchweight at 145 lbs IS a great fight, one that virtually everyone wants to see.
hahahah! no you haven't! :o:-X
Any talk about catchweights at 142 or 143 or whether Mosely can go under 147 is completely irelevent,
lol... yeah! they are... regarding a fight between cotto at 145 anyway
nobody but you every brought them up.
lol... ok... so are you telling me that when I was either talking about general physiology to try and educate the likes of you or Shane's ability to hit catchweights that I was actually talking about Cotto? lol... I guess they need to fire your/my school's english teachers then
I have only ever spoke specifically about a fight at 145 lbs between Cotto and Manny and you disagreed every single time I said it was a great fight.
I belive I've addressed this already... my intention was for pac's minions to understand what his intentions were.... not tear the fight to peices.
But now you don't. :confused:
Nice try... :)
Also, again... please explain to me in detail, Pac's intention in making Cotto lose a pound.
Seeing as we both know one pound of mass difference on fight night is insignificant and Pac intending to take Cotto's edge off by extending his boil down is ludicrous accoring to you... then what could his
intention be?
Ok no worries thanks for clearing that up. So everytime you disagreed with my posting about Manny fighting Cotto at 145 lbs being a great fight, you now admit that you responded by posting completely irelevently about Manny fighting other fighters at other catchweights, and that this had no bearing on anything I was saying.
Good at least we agree now.
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Re: Pac agrees to 145 lbs!!!
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
You created an entire thread telling us how you hated the way Pacquaio was blatently trying to weight drain fighters, saying if it was about ahievement or respect he'd move up to the weight and fight them properly.
Here's one quote from you
I'm sure plenty of people can and will disagree with this but there is one thing I keep on hearing from people who clearly have very little knowledge of human physiology and a boxer's weight making process - "What difference will a pound or two make?".
A few posters including myself have challenged those 'informed opinions' and the likes of Bilbo and other pac fans have tried to react as if disagreeing is crazy
Well it seems now you are agreeing with my 'informed' opinion after all.
:vd: I've just fucking said that a pound COULD be significant... I said it in that thread and I said it in this thread... change your name to Micheal Moore please, you remind me of him. Why would me knowledge regarding homeostasis change on nothing more than a whim exactly?
No doubt you will now say you're rants wern't to do with Cotto fighting Manny at 145 but about even lower catchweights
lol... Bilbo they weren't... I'm sorry but I can't change that. I wanted to make sure the Pac minions knew what whiter than white Pac's intentions are in asking fighters to drop extra weight (you still haven't answered why he's asked for 145). I have never mady any cement predictions regarding outcomes... just intentions... hence the fact that all you've been able to come out with is a quote about me talking about weight loss in general.
Again with the Micheal Moorer crap... you know my posting wasn't specific, yet you used the quote anyway... trying to embarass me out of countering your argument by pre-emptivly saying "I know you're going to say-" nice attempt at tactics/debate skills... but your bullshit won't work.
but the FACTS are you bitched and moaned about this fight being made saying Manny was doing it to drain Cotto
No Bilbo... for fucks sake come on... again do you just not register words like if, could or may? His intention is to take Cotto's edge off by extending his boil down... I have never said if this will work or not and what weight he would have to ask for to do it... again just his intention
and when I insisited it was a great fight (at 145) you created an entire thread as to why you disagreed.
No... I created an entire thread when posters with little to no knowledge of human physiology were making ludicrous statements that draining a pound of fluids and glycogen from a person's already dehydrated body would be insignificant. I even said that if Pac beat Cotto it would be a GREAT achievment but that it would be down a notch from if it wasn't at a catchweight... so yeah, not only was that not the point point of my postings but it's basically the complete opposite to what you just said. I can see the shit you're trying to pull here but it won't work because I know EXACTLY what I've said. <3
All of my arguments related to this have been specifically about Manny fighting Cotto at a catchweight of 145 lbs. I have never waivered from that so what were you actually disagreeing with me over?
Are you a little Butt hurt because I mentioned you in the thread? Get over yourself... a few people made smiliar 'what's a few pounds going to do" type posts... I just happened to remember yours. You could have spent all day talking about Yettis bilbo... that wouldn't magically make my post regarding Yettis though... I clearly outlined in my post that I was talking about the hypothetical loss of an extra pound... in no specific fight... I even explained that this was because Pac's catchweights and the hypothetical outcomes for various fighters can be discussed to death. basic physiology cannot.
If you too think at 145 matchup between the pair is a great fight then why all the toy throwing and hissy fits about it?
I've been proven correct. A catchweight at 145 lbs IS a great fight, one that virtually everyone wants to see.
hahahah! no you haven't! :o:-X
Any talk about catchweights at 142 or 143 or whether Mosely can go under 147 is completely irelevent,
lol... yeah! they are... regarding a fight between cotto at 145 anyway
nobody but you every brought them up.
lol... ok... so are you telling me that when I was either talking about general physiology to try and educate the likes of you or Shane's ability to hit catchweights that I was actually talking about Cotto? lol... I guess they need to fire your/my school's english teachers then
I have only ever spoke specifically about a fight at 145 lbs between Cotto and Manny and you disagreed every single time I said it was a great fight.
I belive I've addressed this already... my intention was for pac's minions to understand what his intentions were.... not tear the fight to peices.
But now you don't. :confused:
Nice try... :)
Also, again... please explain to me in detail, Pac's intention in making Cotto lose a pound.
Seeing as we both know one pound of mass difference on fight night is insignificant and Pac intending to take Cotto's edge off by extending his boil down is ludicrous accoring to you... then what could his
intention be?
Ok no worries thanks for clearing that up. So everytime you disagreed with my posting about Manny fighting Cotto at 145 lbs being a great fight, you now admit that you responded by posting completely irelevently about Manny fighting other fighters at other catchweights, and that this had no bearing on anything I was saying.
Good at least we agree now.
:lolhaha:
lol... no Bilbo... you know that's obviously not it at all... and I encourage people to read through my posts and see that for themselves.
keep twisting and turning mate. :) :appl:
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Nice try... :)
Also, again... please explain to me in detail, Pac's intention in making Cotto lose a pound.
Seeing as we both know one pound of mass difference on fight night is insignificant and Pac intending to take Cotto's edge off by extending his boil down is ludicrous accoring to you... then what could his intention be?
Ok no worries thanks for clearing that up. So everytime you disagreed with my posting about Manny fighting Cotto at 145 lbs being a great fight, you now admit that you responded by posting completely irelevently about Manny fighting other fighters at other catchweights, and that this had no bearing on anything I was saying.
Good at least we agree now.
:lolhaha:
lol... no Bilbo... you know that's obviously not it at all... and I encourage people to read through my posts and see that for themselves.
keep twisting and turning mate. :) :appl:
Ok some quotes from you
I've been very vocal in criticising pac for what I feel is a blatant attempt to weight drain bigger fighters to take their edge off.
A few posters including myself have challenged those 'informed opinions' and the likes of Bilbo and other pac fans have tried to react as if disagreeing is crazy
When Mosley is saying it regarding himself and Nazeem Richardson is saying it regarding Cotto surely it must be pretty hard for all but the elite trainers who (aren't) posting here to disagree?
Ok that all sounds to me like you were criticising my statement that a fight between Cotto and Manny at 145 lbs.
If you wern't I have to ask why you named me specifically as the person you were disagreeing with? :confused:
But it's cool, we both agree now and that's all that matters. I'm glad you came over to my way of thinking in the end and hopefully we can all sit down together in our virtual forms and enjoy this megafight tofether later in the year. :)
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Would it be sweeter though if Manny says... "Fukk it, let's fight at 147!"? I think it will superpump his fans more. Shock the world once more.
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Ok no worries thanks for clearing that up. So everytime you disagreed with my posting about Manny fighting Cotto at 145 lbs being a great fight, you now admit that you responded by posting completely irelevently about Manny fighting other fighters at other catchweights, and that this had no bearing on anything I was saying.
Good at least we agree now.
:lolhaha:
lol... no Bilbo... you know that's obviously not it at all... and I encourage people to read through my posts and see that for themselves.
keep twisting and turning mate. :) :appl:
Ok some quotes from you
I've been very vocal in criticising pac for what I feel is a blatant attempt to weight drain bigger fighters to take their edge off.
A few posters including myself have challenged those 'informed opinions' and the likes of Bilbo and other pac fans have tried to react as if disagreeing is crazy
When Mosley is saying it regarding himself and Nazeem Richardson is saying it regarding Cotto surely it must be pretty hard for all but the elite trainers who (aren't) posting here to disagree?
Great quote mate... not even ONCE are either of the words Cotto or 145 even mentioned! :D
Ok that all sounds to me like you were criticising my statement that a fight between Cotto and Manny at 145 lbs.
lol... do you honestly think you can drag me round in circles?
I've already made it abundantly clear both here and in that post itself that the only issue I addressed specfically was the importance of one pound of critical fluid and sugars to the human body's homeostasis
If you wern't I have to ask why you named me specifically as the person you were disagreeing with? :confused:
I named you specifically as somebody (out of lots of people!) who said that draining an extra pound couldn't have any effect on a fighters performance. Everybody can see that. Again, I've already said this... yet you try and drag it round in circles and twist and turn. Repeating something will not make it true.
But it's cool, we both agree now and that's all that matters.
lol... we clearly don't... I can see you're trying hard to convince me otherwise though, Mr Moore
I'm glad you came over to my way of thinking in the end
I clearly haven't... :) I like that you're trying to make it appear that way though.
and hopefully we can all sit down together in our virtual forms and enjoy this megafight tofether later in the year. :)
I was always going to enjoy the fight mate, just not the hysterical Pac minions who need to get what would still be a great win into perspective...
You're very persistant mate, but unfortunatly you're also very repatative.
You're punching above your weight... would you like me to come down to a catchweight for you? :p
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i think they should have just fought at 147. But then the same people here will be complaining the guy would still be weight drain because of his lifestyle. See all the excuses why Ricky Hatton was knocked out, because Hatton was weight drain at 140, because of lifestyle.:rolleyes:
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Hatton and Cotto are two completely different people.
Left right and centre you keep repeating that same redundant point but the fact is that the general consensus is: Pac beat Hatton because Hatton was a shit boxer compared to Pac... Pac was simply better.
being overweight in between fights has nothing to do with your ability to hold a guard or use lateral movement and basically everybody agrees that that is why ricky got sparked. Eating too many pies doesn't affect your ability to listen to your trainer.
My... things are getting a bit derailed here aren't they... :-\
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:lolhaha:
lol... no Bilbo... you know that's obviously not it at all... and I encourage people to read through my posts and see that for themselves.
keep twisting and turning mate. :) :appl:
Ok some quotes from you
I've been very vocal in criticising pac for what I feel is a blatant attempt to weight drain bigger fighters to take their edge off.
A few posters including myself have challenged those 'informed opinions' and the likes of Bilbo and other pac fans have tried to react as if disagreeing is crazy
When Mosley is saying it regarding himself and Nazeem Richardson is saying it regarding Cotto surely it must be pretty hard for all but the elite trainers who (aren't) posting here to disagree?
Great quote mate... not even ONCE are either of the words Cotto or 145 even mentioned! :D
Ok that all sounds to me like you were criticising my statement that a fight between Cotto and Manny at 145 lbs.
lol... do you honestly think you can drag me round in circles?
I've already made it abundantly clear both here and in that post itself that the only issue I addressed specfically was the importance of one pound of critical fluid and sugars to the human body's homeostasis
If you wern't I have to ask why you named me specifically as the person you were disagreeing with? :confused:
I named you specifically as somebody (out of lots of people!) who said that draining an extra pound couldn't have any effect on a fighters performance. Everybody can see that. Again, I've already said this... yet you try and drag it round in circles and twist and turn. Repeating something will not make it true.
But it's cool, we both agree now and that's all that matters.
lol... we clearly don't... I can see you're trying hard to convince me otherwise though, Mr Moore
I'm glad you came over to my way of thinking in the end
I clearly haven't... :) I like that you're trying to make it appear that way though.
and hopefully we can all sit down together in our virtual forms and enjoy this megafight tofether later in the year. :)
I was always going to enjoy the fight mate, just not the hysterical Pac minions who need to get what would still be a great win into perspective...
You're very persistant mate, but unfortunatly you're also very repatative.
You're punching above your weight...
would you like me to come down to a catchweight for you? :p
You're about 6 ft 2 arn't you?
I'll fight you at a catchweight of 130 lbs, but only 30 second rounds my iron lung can't be unplugged for any longer than that.
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lmao Taeth understands sarcasm worse than ICB.
;D
Are you actually being serious about Amir Khan ? because lately i've been gobsmacked by some of your comments regarding Amir Khan :-\
I think he's a very talented fighter. Do I think he's on the level of Marquez, Pacquaio, Mayweather right now? Absolutely not.
Do I think that by the end of 2010 that Marquez will have slipped enough and Khan improved to make it a real 50/50 fight? Absolutely!
In all honesty if I would have said just prior to Ricky Hatton facing Floyd Mayweather that I believed that Amir could beat him, I would have been laughed off the forum.
What about if Khan and Hatton were to fight next? Now people arn't going to be nearly so confident, in fact Khan might even start as the slight betting favourite.
Calzaghe according to you is not a fraction of the fighter that Hopkins and Roy Jones are yet he beat both of them, Steve Collins beat both Eubank and Benn twice each yet few will rate Collins as highly as either.
The fact is timing plays a large part, Khan is on the way up, Marquez is on the way down, how long it takes before the pendulum shifts in the favour of Khan I'm not sure but I'd imagine a fight 18 months from now would certainly be interesting.
I think he's talented aswell i've never said he isn't, but we still don't know how good he is. I give him credit for the Andriy Kotelnik win, and it was a good win over a solid opponent, but theres many more dangerous opponents at 140.
Devon Alexander
Junior Witter
Marcos Rene Maidana
Timothy Bradley
Kendall Holt
Ricardo Torres
Lamont Peterson
Mike Alvrado
Randall Bailey
As for JMM well i think the type of fighter he is, even if he shows that he is slowing down. His technical skills alone will get him through most fights, i think its all assumption on your part Bilbo, i think JMM has atleast 3 good ones left in him. And whats to say Amir Khan won't lose by then aswell ?
As for Ricky Hatton i've never really been a fan, and i've never thought as him as anything special to be honest. He was good in the Kostya Tszyu fight, but again the ref allowed him to hold constantly, which worked and was a good tactic. But i've never been overly impressed with him in any fight IMO. And even if Amir Khan were to fight the Ricky Hatton of old, i'd still give him a decent shot.
Well i don't think Bernard Hopkins, is alot better than Joe Calzaghe. But i think the Bernard Hopkins that beat Glen Johnson or Felix Trinidad, would of beaten him, RJJ is a different matter he was almost unbeatable at his best. IMO he would of masscared Joe Calzaghe.
RJJ was shot and everyone knew he was shot, it wasn't a suprise he lost. As many people were calling the fight a farce. Bernard Hopkins is still a very good fighter but he lacks the workrate he had in his youth, which lost him the fight although i thought it nicked it but whatever.
I think Steve Collins is underrated, he was only a novice. And he gave Mike McCallum a good argument. His other losses were too, two very good fighters like Reggie Johnson, Sumbu Kalambay.
I don't count his win over Nigel Benn, because Nigel Benn was clearly finished. After the loss to Thulani Malinga, and his brutal war with Gerald McClellan.
His win over Chris Eubank should be given credit though, Chris Eubank was 41-0. With a combined 19 title defenses at Middleweight/Super Middleweight.
Yes the Michael Watson win affected his killer instinct, but he still was good. As he showed in his brave effort's against Carl Thompson at Cruiserweight.
Lastly i just think its too early to say Amir Khan, has a shot against JMM. JMM is an excellent boxer and i've seen many of his fights, and i've been pretty much impressed with him in all his fights.
His counter-punching/technical fighting, are some of the best i've seen of this era, his heart is the size of Texas. And he isn't afraid of no one, and i don't see how he's on his way down, he fought the fight of his life against Juan Diaz.
Not long ago Amir Khan was getting dropped, by fighters like Michael Gomez. Yes Amir Khan has improved, but again Andriy Kotelnik is pretty ordinary IMO, he's a solid opponent but he doesn't hit hard, nor is he fast. He does nothing that stands out to me, and he was the right opponent for Amir Khan to look good against.
Thats not taking his win away either, i think it was a good performance. But again that performance says nothing about how he would do, against the likes of JMM.
Amir Khan was getting caught late on aswell, imagine if that would of been against a harder hitting opponent ?
Amir Khan has an improved defense and boxing brain, but i still can't see him beating the big boys. Especially with his chin no way IMO.
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6 foot even mate... so we could go even lower than that. ;)
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Ok some quotes from you
I've been very vocal in criticising pac for what I feel is a blatant attempt to weight drain bigger fighters to take their edge off.
A few posters including myself have challenged those 'informed opinions' and the likes of Bilbo and other pac fans have tried to react as if disagreeing is crazy
When Mosley is saying it regarding himself and Nazeem Richardson is saying it regarding Cotto surely it must be pretty hard for all but the elite trainers who (aren't) posting here to disagree?
Great quote mate... not even ONCE are either of the words Cotto or 145 even mentioned! :D
Ok that all sounds to me like you were criticising my statement that a fight between Cotto and Manny at 145 lbs.
lol... do you honestly think you can drag me round in circles?
I've already made it abundantly clear both here and in that post itself that the only issue I addressed specfically was the importance of one pound of critical fluid and sugars to the human body's homeostasis
If you wern't I have to ask why you named me specifically as the person you were disagreeing with? :confused:
I named you specifically as somebody (out of lots of people!) who said that draining an extra pound couldn't have any effect on a fighters performance. Everybody can see that. Again, I've already said this... yet you try and drag it round in circles and twist and turn. Repeating something will not make it true.
But it's cool, we both agree now and that's all that matters.
lol... we clearly don't... I can see you're trying hard to convince me otherwise though, Mr Moore
I'm glad you came over to my way of thinking in the end
I clearly haven't... :) I like that you're trying to make it appear that way though.
and hopefully we can all sit down together in our virtual forms and enjoy this megafight tofether later in the year. :)
I was always going to enjoy the fight mate, just not the hysterical Pac minions who need to get what would still be a great win into perspective...
You're very persistant mate, but unfortunatly you're also very repatative.
You're punching above your weight...
would you like me to come down to a catchweight for you? :p
You're about 6 ft 2 arn't you?
I'll fight you at a catchweight of 130 lbs, but only 30 second rounds my iron lung can't be unplugged for any longer than that.
:lol: Self deprecation at its finest.
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this fight will be huge i cant wait for it to happen;D
dunno who i will be rooting for maybe pacman cos of giving away so much weight;D
I agree this fight will be AWESOME.It has the ingredients to be a cracker.Im like you i like both fighters!
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i don't see Pac beating Cotto period
Cotto's not as slow as some are making him out to be, he has awesome timing to make up for the slight edge in speed that goes to Pac, IMO Cotto's the harder hitting stronger guy, he has no problems with southpaw, infact he fights very well in the southpaw stance himself, so his constant switching could actually cause Manny problems
He has problems with the left uppercut which Margo and judah landed multiple times and they rocked him...if ac lands one of those Cotto may go down for the count.
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Drago
this fight will be huge i cant wait for it to happen;D
dunno who i will be rooting for maybe pacman cos of giving away so much weight;D
I agree this fight will be AWESOME.It has the ingredients to be a cracker.Im like you i like both fighters!
I'll probably be rooting for Cotto; been a fan longer. But I like Pac alot; and watching him dispose of Diaz and Oscar was fun. The beating he gave Hatton was straight out of Benny Hill I swear. Best man win who cares is how I see it.
Anyone see Mayweather/Cotto if Cotto wins? Or will he retire again/keep trying for Pac?
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The more I think about this fight the more I can't pick a winner.
Bang on 50/50 IMO.
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I think the only way Cotto wins this if he is effective with his jab. If he lands it I think it will make Pac think before coming in and may knock him down
As far as some people talking about Cotto's chin, I am just not buying that, he is durable. He took some bombs from Margarito and was not knocked down, took a knee but he took some punishment and who knows if the gloves were loaded which makes it more impressive.
I could stir the pot a bit and say if Pac frustrates him he could do what he did in the Judah fight and throw some low shots, that'd slow him down ;)
My guess is Pac takes this by late stoppage due to cuts maybe 10th or 11th.
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i don't see Pac beating Cotto period
Cotto's not as slow as some are making him out to be, he has awesome timing to make up for the slight edge in speed that goes to Pac, IMO Cotto's the harder hitting stronger guy, he has no problems with southpaw, infact he fights very well in the southpaw stance himself, so his constant switching could actually cause Manny problems
He has problems with the left uppercut which Margo and judah landed multiple times and they rocked him...if ac lands one of those Cotto may go down for the count.
since when is Pacquiao known for uppercuts? and a left uppercut at that? Clottey is a stronger man than Manny and even he wasn't able to seriously hurt a one eyed Cotto with the uppercut, a punch that he's pretty much known for, Pacquiao has improved leaps and bounds from what he once was, but he still basically uses, the pawing or quick jab without much power on it to set up the straight left, or the now dangerous right hook, IMO those are Manny's only real weapons, the reason he's so dangerous now though is cause of his accuracy WHEN he's calm and collected, the people that are actually thinking that Cotto is gonna share the same fate as Hatton of getting stopped so early or at all are pretty much taking this shit a bit far
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yes i just found out about the fight this afternoon...nov 14th M.G.M. Grand....my wife and i have been to mannys last two fights....da la hoya & hatton....i lost both times i bet... o-well we had two free tickets to the fights...."nosebleeds" but what the heck they were free..... i will call the slot host tomorrow and re-quest our two tickets for nov 14th... it should be a good fight..... but i will bet on mr. cotto
scott from california
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yes i just found out about the fight this afternoon...nov 14th M.G.M. Grand....my wife and i have been to mannys last two fights....da la hoya & hatton....i lost both times i bet... o-well we had two free tickets to the fights...."nosebleeds" but what the heck they were free..... i will call the slot host tomorrow and re-quest our two tickets for nov 14th... it should be a good fight..... but i will bet on mr. cotto
scott from california
That's alright there partner:woot22:When Hatton got hit did you here it way up high in the stands? Just curious;D
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BULLDOGBOOGERS
yes i just found out about the fight this afternoon...nov 14th M.G.M. Grand....my wife and i have been to mannys last two fights....da la hoya & hatton....i lost both times i bet... o-well we had two free tickets to the fights...."nosebleeds" but what the heck they were free..... i will call the slot host tomorrow and re-quest our two tickets for nov 14th... it should be a good fight..... but i will bet on mr. cotto
scott from california
Any relation to Teddy Atlas??
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markb018
I think the only way Cotto wins this if he is effective with his jab. If he lands it I think it will make Pac think before coming in and may knock him down
As far as some people talking about Cotto's chin, I am just not buying that, he is durable. He took some bombs from Margarito and was not knocked down, took a knee but he took some punishment and who knows if the gloves were loaded which makes it more impressive.
I could stir the pot a bit and say if Pac frustrates him he could do what he did in the Judah fight and throw some low shots, that'd slow him down ;)
My guess is Pac takes this by late stoppage due to cuts maybe 10th or 11th.
I'm thinking the handspeed and straight punching can do some damage,re-open that nasty gash?I don't see Cotto getting knocked out though.I really dont think the weight on these two will be a huge factor and feel confident in saying...with respect to Hatton and Oscar....Manny will face more adversity and a deeper gut check in 2 rounds with Cotto that he has faced over his last 18+ rounds combined.I just see to many patterns from Cotto over last few but should be an outstanding fight,no doubt about it!
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I think the 143 weight was just a ploy by Pacquiao to get a little more money on the table and had nothing to do with what most people think.
I'm really excited about this fight! I ready Cotto wasn't impressed with Pacquiao. I just hope he doesn't get aggressively stupid like Hatton.
I thought Hatton would be able to muscle Pacquiao and get tired in the middle rounds. I guess he must have been weight drained, not enough water around his brain to absorb the blows .... hahaha...
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If PAC wins, hopefully there is no excuses.
Not possible. With each Pac win comes criticism.
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i think they should have just fought at 147. But then the same people here will be complaining the guy would still be weight drain because of his lifestyle. See all the excuses why Ricky Hatton was knocked out, because Hatton was weight drain at 140, because of lifestyle.:rolleyes:
If I remember correctly, you started a thread about that statement and you were the only one who believed that.
Hatton was knocked out cause HE LET PAC hit him! No head movement, chin up in the air, what did you expect to happen?
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I think the only way Cotto wins this if he is effective with his jab. If he lands it I think it will make Pac think before coming in and may knock him down
As far as some people talking about Cotto's chin, I am just not buying that, he is durable. He took some bombs from Margarito and was not knocked down, took a knee but he took some punishment and who knows if the gloves were loaded which makes it more impressive.
I could stir the pot a bit and say if Pac frustrates him he could do what he did in the Judah fight and throw some low shots, that'd slow him down ;)
My guess is Pac takes this by late stoppage due to cuts maybe 10th or 11th.
I'm thinking the handspeed and straight punching can do some damage,re-open that nasty gash?I don't see Cotto getting knocked out though.I really dont think the weight on these two will be a huge factor and feel confident in saying...with respect to Hatton and Oscar....
Manny will face more adversity and a deeper gut check in 2 rounds with Cotto that he has faced over his last 18+ rounds combined.I just see to many patterns from Cotto over last few but should be an outstanding fight,no doubt about it!
No doubt! Pac hasn't faced any adversity in the ring since his second fight with Marquez. The hardest moment he's faced since then was the critics saying he was going to get sparked by De La Hoya.
I really think this is a dangerous fight for Manny. Cotto is bigger and he isn't a one dimensional brawler. Cotto has boxing skills and can bang with the best of 'em. His jab is underrated and if he traps Manny, Cotto strings punches together as good as anyone.
This fight is a toss up IMO.
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I can live with 145 I guess, what's done is done. I really think Pac is going to absolutely batter Cotto.
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Speaking of Pacquiao's left uppercut...
Lifts both feet off the ground, smashing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRtFc...eature=related
You fool no one!
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C-Lo
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Originally Posted by
Pavlik
If PAC wins, hopefully there is no excuses.
Not possible. With each Pac win comes criticism.
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Originally Posted by
generalbulldog
i think they should have just fought at 147. But then the same people here will be complaining the guy would still be weight drain because of his lifestyle. See all the excuses why Ricky Hatton was knocked out, because Hatton was weight drain at 140, because of lifestyle.:rolleyes:
If I remember correctly, you started a thread about that statement and
you were the only one who believed that.
Hatton was knocked out cause HE LET PAC hit him! No head movement, chin up in the air, what did you expect to happen?
I got it from this forum and only this forum that Hatton was weight drain so I started that thread to ask the Hatton fans if they believe it. They back pedal on it. Here's my original post. Let's not put words into my mouth where I said I believe it. Nice try son.
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I'm hearing this excuse on why he lost his last fight in brutal fashion was that he was weight drain at 140. The Hatton fans are saying that it was Ricky Hatton's eating habits and balooning in weight so much and then taking it down affected his performance and that he looked drain.
So was Ricky Hatton weight drain or is this an excuse by his beloved fans after they predicted an ko in favor of their man but it was the reversed?
Discuss.
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yes i just found out about the fight this afternoon...nov 14th M.G.M. Grand....my wife and i have been to mannys last two fights....da la hoya & hatton....i lost both times i bet... o-well we had two free tickets to the fights...."nosebleeds" but what the heck they were free..... i will call the slot host tomorrow and re-quest our two tickets for nov 14th... it should be a good fight..... but i will bet on mr. cotto
scott from california
That's alright there partner:woot22:When Hatton got hit did you here it way up high in the stands? Just curious;D
heck yes i herd it.....and i was in the 5th row from the top. my wife then said to me......o.k. lets go play some dollar slots....hehehe
