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Originally Posted by CFH
I agree. Cotto is a great offensive fighter, but Manny's speed will be too much for Cotto to handle. I say great fight with an 11th round TKO in Pacquiao's favor!
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Originally Posted by CFH
I agree. Cotto is a great offensive fighter, but Manny's speed will be too much for Cotto to handle. I say great fight with an 11th round TKO in Pacquiao's favor!
If Cottos cathes PAC solidly it's over IF not it's PAC by a wide UD.
I'll probably get shit for bringing this up, but fuck it. Hatton was abysmal when he fought Pac - absolutely no defence. However, he did manage to land a few shots, and let's just say if he had had the defence that night I still believe he had a good chance of getting Pac out of there. Cotto is a much smarter fighter, and technically more sound, and if he can make it difficult for Manny to land clean shots on him, I don't think Pac has the power to cause him too much trouble. Cotto has the boxing skill to land clean shots on Pac if he gets his timing right, and I don't think Pac can take that much punishment to the body. If Cotto walks on to a shot, though, it could be all over for him before it's even started. Tbh, I don't really mind who wins, though as he's the under dog I'll be supporting Cotto most likely come fight night.
I really don't understand why so many are seeing Pac as the favorite!? He has never fought a boxer of Cotto's calibre IMO.
I'm calling for a so called 'upset' (although not in my books) that Cotto will stop Pac between rounds 8-10.
A well trained Cotto beats the Pacman... and Cotto will be very well trained.
I would have to agree with you. Cotto will probably get stopped in the late rounds. I wont count cotto out though as he like Manny is a great technical fighter. I think Cotto also has the better chin of the two. If cotto wants to win he will need a stoppage because he wont win on points. Manny is too fast and will most deffinatly get more landed punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFanQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I agree. Cotto is a great offensive fighter, but Manny's speed will be too much for Cotto to handle. I say great fight with an 11th round TKO in Pacquiao's favor!
In the end I think the most deciding factor will be Freddy Roach. He always seems to have a better plan than the other trainer.
Cotto but if Pac wins this time I give up.
Ah yes, the triangle theory. It definitely means NOTHING!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacdbest2Quote:
Originally Posted by Puya
Remember that Pauli was competitive with Cotto for some rounds. Hatton Dominated Pauli. Look what Pac haS DONE WITH HATTON? i DON'T THINK Cotto can finish Hatton as quick as Pac.
-Taylor beat Hopkins, Pavlik beat Taylor, why did Hopkins destroy Pavlik?
-Barrera beat Morales, Pacquiao battered Barrera, how did Morales beat Pacquiao?
-Forrest beat Mosley, Mayorga dominated Forrest, why did Mosley knockout Mayorga?
-Another one with Shane. Cotto beats Shane, Margarito beats Cotto, Shane beats Margarito.
Comparing common opponents means nothing as well...
-Mayweather struggled with Castillo, Hatton rocked Castillo, Mayweather + Ringpost beat Hatton.
Either way, I see Pacquiao winning a decision but I will be on the edge of my seat the whole fight. Cotto is serious and will the biggest test of Pacquiao's career. If he gets Pac cornered or on the ropes, Pac is in trouble.
I did notice Hatton land two hard shots on Manny that made him stop/pause. I even saw Oscar stop Manny in his tracks. So Manny will get hit the longer the fight goes on. Cotto has never had difficulty landing shots on anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by SRR
When the fight begins, the two things to watch are: a. Not only speed, but how does Cotto react to Manny's "power"? b. How does Manny respond to Cotto's power? If Manny is in full retreat/box backwards mode early, Cotto will destroy Pac. But if Pac manages to stay in the middle of the ring with Cotto, he may get a decision.
That's his best bet. Even though he's changed a lot, Pacquiao was KO'd by a bodyshot from a guy that throws with a fraction of Cotto's power. No amount of technique and training will fix that though it may alleviate it. If Cotto wants win he needs to go downstairs big time.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Same here. Hatton would have effectively fought Pacquiao if he hadn't changed in with his hands at his waist. He had power that stopped Manny in his tracks. Cotto has more power but more importantly more defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rican
I've gone Pac but 12 months ago I'd have laughed at anyone who would have said the same!
Ive gone Cotto i just think Pac is going to come unstuck against these bigger guys soon he likes them weight drained but hopefully Cotto only coming down 2lbs should be ok.
Cotto needs to make a smart fight and calmed to prevent a flashing left from Pacman similar to Hatton. Cotto have to press the fight using his lateral and head movements and not going straight to Pacman right hook as Hatton. Cotto also needs to focus on his speed, and he has it as shown in his fight with Mosley. Not sure why he looked so slow in his last fight... I guess they were more focused on strength based on the opponent and this time they need to work the speed. I see Cotto dominating Pacman, and I see this fight as a candidate to fight of the year because it should not be an easy task. I cannot weight to watch it...
I think either guy can take it.
Pacquiao takes it if he fights the same fight, he fought against DLH, which was lateral movement, and quick counters in and out. Pacquiao's speed is a huge factor in this fight.
Cotto wins if he applys pressure behind his jab, works to get to Pacquaio's body early and is able to maintain a good workrate, if he can do these things, i think he will take Pacquiao out. His power and size advantage are huge factors in this fight and he will have to try and use them.
I like both fighters but i'm a bigger fan of Cotto so i'm rooting for him.
I will be happy whoever wins though.
Agree with you. Cotto's jab will be a key weapon in this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
People are overlooking Cotto in this fight because he struggled with the massive and skilled Clottey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puerto Rican PunchAgree with you. Cotto's jab will be a key weapon in this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Pacquiao is a better fighter than Clottey but stylistically is a easier matchup for Cotto because Cotto has only really struggled with fighters who were bigger than him (Margarito and Clottey).
The Snapshot of Pacs last 2 fights dont make a damn bit of differnce against Cotto
1) when was the last time you saw Cotto run in after an opponent without headmovement or a jab? Cotto dosent charge after his opponent
2) When has Cotto not been a Superb counterpuncher? He isint going to be a zombie like Delahoya and allow many to throw without major consequences.
Roach and Pac are opportunists and they picked Hatton as a good style for Pac and a Zombie in Delahoya.. Cotto is going to punish Pac really bad. What Miguel is going to do to Manny's body will be a brutal display
Anyone know who is training Cotto for this fight?
He's still sticking with Jose Santiago.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
While I do not know very much about Santiago, I can't image that's a good decision considering Cotto is going up against the best fighter in the sport who is trained by arguably the best trainer in the sport. Roach, as much as I dislike him, is a master of putting together the right gameplan and Cotto is going to need an experienced trainer who can counter it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DianeHe's still sticking with Jose Santiago.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
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Originally Posted by Rocky BalboaThat's his best bet. Even though he's changed a lot, Pacquiao was KO'd by a bodyshot from a guy that throws with a fraction of Cotto's power. No amount of technique and training will fix that though it may alleviate it. If Cotto wants win he needs to go downstairs big time.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
pac changed alot and is not struggling to make weight so his body is pretty conditioned. for every bodypunch cotto throws pac will surely give two more in return. alot of boxers tried to go to pacs body pac usually stops that by bodypunching back.
I'm a Pac fan as well as a Cotto fan, but of course I'll be rooting for my hometown fighter here (Cotto). People that write off Cotto point to Pac's two victories at 140 or higher... DLH and Hatton. Let's start with DLH. As much as I thoroughly enjoyed (and could watch over and over) Pac's destruction and humiliation of Oscar, even I admit it wasn't the same Oscar. It was a shell of the old Oscar, and everyone knows it. Of course, kudos to Pac and his camp, because they had no way of knowing this beforehand, and still took a great chance.
Now for Hatton. There is NO WAY IN HELL that Cotto should EVER be confused with Hatton. Hatton proved for all to see that he didn't belong in the same neighborhood, much less in the same ring, as Pacquiao. All this pre-fight hype and Hatton saying he was fighting for the world's p4p title... HAH! He was exposed in a vicious two-round annihilation. No defense... rudimentary boxing skills... suspect chin.
Cotto, on the other hand, is a proven warrior at 147 with all the tools. Over different fights in the past, he's shown speed and boxing skills (Mosley), heart and guts (Clottey), power (Quintana).
It won't be easy for EITHER fighter. In fact, it's gonna be one of the more entertaining fights in recent history. Why? Because both fighters leave it all in the ring, and neither one is going to back down.
My only concern is that Pacquaio does pack a good punch and is a slick southpaw, not a comfortable opponent for any fighter.
But it's gonna be a hell of a war. Can't wait!!
I'm going with Cotto, I didn't read through the entire thread but has anyone asked how Pacquiao would deal with Clottey? Clottey is a tough SOB & would give anyone trouble! I think to many are discounting Cotto based on that last fight & how good Manny looked against Hatton. But imo Clottey was a much tougher opponent than Hatton going in...
I think it will be a great fight, but Cotto's my pick!
Yeah, I wish that Miguel had someone with more experience coming into this fight with him, but I have to trust that Miguel knows what he is doing. Miguel is extremely smart in the ring, and knows how to make adjustments as necessary. I think Manny will probably win the early rounds on speed and output, but Manny has never been in the ring with someone with Miguel's power. I think Miguel will break him down with those body shots eventually, and take over the fight to win by late TKO.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHWhile I do not know very much about Santiago, I can't image that's a good decision considering Cotto is going up against the best fighter in the sport who is trained by arguably the best trainer in the sport. Roach, as much as I dislike him, is a master of putting together the right gameplan and Cotto is going to need an experienced trainer who can counter it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DianeHe's still sticking with Jose Santiago.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
People keep saying that Miguel isn't the same since the Margacheato fight. I ask how? He did exactly what he should have done against Jennings, and he fought a tough fight against Clottey with one eye. Seriously though, name one fighter that has looked good against Clottey? He's the kind of fighter that it is extremely hard to look good against, let alone do it with a severe handicap.
I'm actually kind of glad that a lot of people are underestimating Cotto, it will make it that much sweeter for me when he wins. ;D
Actually, this is the kind of fight that I hate, because I am a fan of both fighers, and I know that both fighters are going to leave everything they have in the ring, therefore I hate that someone has to lose.
This is the best post in this thread, very objective and analytical.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Both these guys are elite fighters and will capitalize on each others mistakes. Both have a real chance.
I'm going with Cotto on this one. I know that people who have their money on Pac say "speed kills" but "timing is everything". I think Cotto's jab, body attack, strength and timing will break down and KO Pacquiao. I also feel that stylistically the match-up favors Cotto. He fights best moving forward and I feel he will be able to press the slightly smaller Pac-man.
Part of the fun of these fights is speculation. We'll all see what will really happen come Nov.
I'm just glad that these two greats made the fight happen.
Let me start by saying the Pre-Margarito Cotto would KO Pac with a body shot in probably the fifth. However part of Miguel's "swagger" was lost in that fight (a bit Taylor- Chavez ish). Miguel used to go in there and to quote Jim Lampley "he doesn't just beat you, he beats you up". Manny's swagger is as high as it will ever be as he's just destroyed 2 ELITE fighters as if they were sparring partners(yes we can call speculate as to what shape they were in but the fact of the matter is they are elite fighters). The key to beating Manny is the starigt rigt hand and the left hand dominant Cotto will have trouble keeping Pac off of him and will fight at Pac's pace. Manny comes out firing early but Miguel holds his own but by about the 8th round the punishment will acumulate and Cotto will backpedal & Manny will not make the same mistake Clottey did.
PAC TKO11
i have no clue....thats why i am tunning in ....very interesting fight
I say that people will vote Manny now purely on the fact he keeps defying logic, but, this time he is surely going to get derailed IMO. Stop that train......
This is a very intriguing match up lots of ifs and buts, one of the main points for me is can Manny take Cottos power, if he can Miguel's going to loose end of, Manny's on a roll, his body's at its peak right now loads of fluid round the brain because he has no weight to loose, on the other hand Cotto's got to come in lighter than he has done in a while and has less fluid round his brain to cushion Pacs shots. If Margarito can land on Cotto surely Manny can more so, I am not saying its as easy as that to predict this fight as I would not be surprised if either fighter one but its just something to take into consideration :)
Both Pac and Cotto will win considering that both are guarantee millions of dollars plus a percentage of the PPV numbers and it should be 900k and up.
In this economy they both come out on top, regardless who wins.