Juan (the blubbery seal) Diaz avoiding Malignaggi rematch

Meh, I think the oh Paulie had to jump through so many hoops line is a bit tired and overdone. He wanted the fight, he agreed to the catchweight and then the week of the fight starts bitching about it, yawn.

And you would think it was the most smallest ring EVAR. This stuff happens all the time, the only reason people are jumping on it is Paulie raised a fuss about it fight week, yawn X 2. This combined with promising Max his first born child was very smart manuevering by Paulie.

As for fighting in Texas, LOL. The previous fight Diaz fought in Texas too and one of the judges gave the fight to Michael Katsidis in a fight that Diaz strolled through.

None of these things helped Paulie but people act like its the tragedy of all tragedies.

And nobody (well maybe Amat) says that the 118-110 card wasn't a stretch but that's not what were arguing, I'm arguing Diaz won, period. And anyway I don't think its such open shut thing that Van Hoye's card was pure corruptness, Diaz was landing the cleaner harder looking shots and every time he landed the crown went nuts.

That can effect you especially when the other guy just isn't landing anything substantial. I had it 7-5 Diaz watching it on tv with Max getting wet every time Paulie pulled his pants up, if I was in the arena I would have probably had it 116-112 or so. So yeah Viva Von Hoye if only just to annoy people.

The judges in Beijing would have scored that fight for Malignaggi, he would have won going away probably but that just shows how gay that scoring system was where all those glancing shots off the shoulder or chest with nothing behind them actually count for something.

Seriously 118-110 Diaz is a more fair card then 115-113 Malignaggi imo. Diaz actually fought a pretty good fight in the face of some serious adversity and an opponent who was trying to steal the fight rather then win it.

Malignaggi is rated 18th by boxrec at 140. To be fair, I would have him higher then that so please no one make the argument that I'm just an irritator or a hateerrr (we should start bumping bestp4p threads now.) hooooollllllaaaaarrrrrr.

First off, Diaz im sure feels he won the fight and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. He should feel that way. Secondly, why should he give him a rematch? Just cause it was a close fight? Controversial fights are a a part of boxing. They happen every week, and for most there are not rematches. You take it for what it is and more on. Malignaggi didnt have a rematch with Ndougjo, Ndougjo never had one with Castilllo, Castillo never had one with Casamayor, Casa never did with Santa Cruz...I could do this all day. Paulie has to worry about Paulie, not Juan Diaz.

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The funny part of this is no matter what kind of swindler Schaeffer is... It goes to prove a point. Does anyone think Diaz really cares if fights Malignaggi again. He got the "W" ... fairly or unfairly..

It used to be that a fighter didn't care about this money stuff, if they wanted to set the record straight. There was a time when a guy that felt he got shafted by the judges would fight diaz again in Texas for free, on christmas morning, and destroy him to prove to everyone he got cheated in the first fight. (last time that I remember a guy hellbent on revenge not matter what the cost was the Jones Jr. Rematch with Griffin).

Whining about money, location, and then trash talking a guy and his mom etc hoping he'll fight you so you can still make money to live on because you don't want a 9 to 5 job (despite claiming boxing is Bull$hit) is pretty classless. Malignaggi, should either:

a.) Man the hell up, give GBP/diaz what they want and prove his point in the ring, show the world its his time.

b.)quit boxing and try his hand at something else where he feels he'll get fair shake everytime.

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c.)Suck it up, get used to it and be thankful people are still willing to spend any money to see him fight the way he does.

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I don't really agree with this. Everything was against Paulie, not only did he go to Juan's backyard but he also had to come in underweight because Juan was not man enough to fight him at his own weight.

Paulie is not a puncher so any rematch would likely go 12 rounds again and, if in the same state, under the same conditions, Paulie just wouldn't get the nod.

Of course Paulie will be upset, its his livelihood and career, man it would eat me up if I beat someone in my chosen sport and got robbed.

It's the thing I hate about boxing more than anything else, so many weekends are ruined for me because of it.

John Mcdermott, an unfashionable fat domestic heavyweight in the UK has been completely jobbed twice now against Danny Williams and Tyson Fury. At least the board ordered rematches in both cases, but it shouldn't be necessary. The right man should get the win in the first place, how can you not feel for someone like McDermott who should have two great W's on his record against the Tyson conqueror Williams, and the super hype job Tyson Fury?

I hope Tyson and Juan both get destroyed in their next fights because to me an honourable man should admit when they have been beat. Fighters may not be responsible for the decisions but they never have any integrity after a fight either, always insisting they won when virtually the entire watching world disagrees.

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I can't believe I missed this, well yes I can I didn't read the post but I digress, Bilbo WTF you've gotta be kidding me with this right?

You must despise Joel Casamayor, and...sorry I'm having a hard time coming up with people who've been the beneficiary of bad decisions lately, I know they're out there, I just can't think of them right now.

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The funny part of this is no matter what kind of swindler Schaeffer is... It goes to prove a point. Does anyone think Diaz really cares if fights Malignaggi again. He got the "W" ... fairly or unfairly..

It used to be that a fighter didn't care about this money stuff, if they wanted to set the record straight. There was a time when a guy that felt he got shafted by the judges would fight diaz again in Texas for free, on christmas morning, and destroy him to prove to everyone he got cheated in the first fight. (last time that I remember a guy hellbent on revenge not matter what the cost was the Jones Jr. Rematch with Griffin).

Whining about money, location, and then trash talking a guy and his mom etc hoping he'll fight you so you can still make money to live on because you don't want a 9 to 5 job (despite claiming boxing is Bull$hit) is pretty classless. Malignaggi, should either:

a.) Man the hell up, give GBP/diaz what they want and prove his point in the ring, show the world its his time.

b.)quit boxing and try his hand at something else where he feels he'll get fair shake everytime.

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c.)Suck it up, get used to it and be thankful people are still willing to spend any money to see him fight the way he does.

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I don't really agree with this. Everything was against Paulie, not only did he go to Juan's backyard but he also had to come in underweight because Juan was not man enough to fight him at his own weight.

Paulie is not a puncher so any rematch would likely go 12 rounds again and, if in the same state, under the same conditions, Paulie just wouldn't get the nod.

Of course Paulie will be upset, its his livelihood and career, man it would eat me up if I beat someone in my chosen sport and got robbed.

It's the thing I hate about boxing more than anything else, so many weekends are ruined for me because of it.

John Mcdermott, an unfashionable fat domestic heavyweight in the UK has been completely jobbed twice now against Danny Williams and Tyson Fury. At least the board ordered rematches in both cases, but it shouldn't be necessary. The right man should get the win in the first place, how can you not feel for someone like McDermott who should have two great W's on his record against the Tyson conqueror Williams, and the super hype job Tyson Fury?

I hope Tyson and Juan both get destroyed in their next fights because to me an honourable man should admit when they have been beat. Fighters may not be responsible for the decisions but they never have any integrity after a fight either, always insisting they won when virtually the entire watching world disagrees.

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I can't believe I missed this, well yes I can I didn't read the post but I digress, Bilbo WTF you've gotta be kidding me with this right?

You must despise Joel Casamayor, and...sorry I'm having a hard time coming up with people who've been the beneficiary of bad decisions lately, I know they're out there, I just can't think of them right now.

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Absolutely, got one of the biggest gift decisions of all time, it was great when Marquez demolished him.

and what's wrong with hating on fighters, we all do it, Miles is still putting pins in his Khan doll to this day following his win over a badly bloodied Barrera.

I don't blame a fighter for being the recipient of a gift win, but at least be man enough to admit you didn't win the fight, or that you were lucky to get the decision.

Juan Diaz is done, he's been exposed 3 times now and has nothing else to offer.

At least we still have Carl ' The Cobra' Froch to bring some decency back to the sport of boxing in a couple weeks time.

I don't care about hating fighters, Miles does have a certain flair with his hate, but wanting a guy to go up and apologize for winning a fight but maybe having iffy scores is insane.

Casamayor clearly lost. Nobody argues that. I barely know who Fury is.

Froch is going to lose LOL. Well maybe. Dumb shit talked about how silly Dirrell is to call himself "Son of God" when he doesn't even call himself that, its Andre Ward ffs.

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I don't really agree with this. Everything was against Paulie, not only did he go to Juan's backyard but he also had to come in underweight because Juan was not man enough to fight him at his own weight.

Paulie is not a puncher so any rematch would likely go 12 rounds again and, if in the same state, under the same conditions, Paulie just wouldn't get the nod.

Of course Paulie will be upset, its his livelihood and career, man it would eat me up if I beat someone in my chosen sport and got robbed.

It's the thing I hate about boxing more than anything else, so many weekends are ruined for me because of it.

John Mcdermott, an unfashionable fat domestic heavyweight in the UK has been completely jobbed twice now against Danny Williams and Tyson Fury. At least the board ordered rematches in both cases, but it shouldn't be necessary. The right man should get the win in the first place, how can you not feel for someone like McDermott who should have two great W's on his record against the Tyson conqueror Williams, and the super hype job Tyson Fury?

I hope Tyson and Juan both get destroyed in their next fights because to me an honourable man should admit when they have been beat. Fighters may not be responsible for the decisions but they never have any integrity after a fight either, always insisting they won when virtually the entire watching world disagrees.

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PLENTY of people thought Diaz won. I may not be one of them, but that doesn't change the fact that there was a large minority who felt that Diaz took it & scoring just 2 rounds the other way I would have had him winning. I'm guessing that those who weren't indignant at the result didn't feel the same need to go to every boxing website & declare their disgust in the same way some of those who felt Paulie won did.

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I've not seen a poll online where Diaz has got more than 20% of voter support, the overwhelming majority were in favour of a Malignaggi won.

But it's not just about the decision, it's the nature of it. Had Diaz edged a razor close decision then it would have been palatable but 118-110, please, that just demonstrates that Paulie had already lost the fight before he stepped into the ring.

He was chosen as a non puncher, was made to come in under weight to take away any edge he might have, and then it had already been predecided that Diaz would win the decision. Paulie could have put him down twice and he still would have lost on the cards.

It IS a robbery, it's corruption and no wonder Malignaggi is pissed. They did it here with McDermott too, he completely exposed TysonFury and then went on to lose a wide wide decision where the ref gave all but two rounds to Fury. At least the British board of control have ordered an immediate rematch but honestly this sport fucking sucks at times.

It's probably the same in most sports. We saw in Formula 1 how Renault cheated last year in Singapore by asking Piquet to crash his car into the barrier to bring out the safety car to secure an Alonso win.

You guys are deluding yourselves if you don't think that kind of thing goes on in boxing.

There was simply no way Juan was losing this fight unless by KO, and they handpicked a notorious non puncher to ensure that wouldn't happen, even forcing to fight at catchweight to take away any chance.

Sorry but all I can say is fuck Juan Diaz, fuck GBP and fuck the corrrupt judges who had their pockets lined for that fight.

Diaz is going nowhere anywhere as soon as he steps up he gets the shit kicked out of him and it will be sweet.

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Will rep you when I can because I like a lot of what you are saying here. Glad to see another person calling it a robbery too as I seem to be in the minority on this thread in feeling that way about this fight.

It's obvious that most people do actually think Malignaggi won. Any fighter with integrity would accept this and try to set the record straight, but not the little blubbery seal. He knows he is limited and on the wane and is looking to cash out now having lost to two old men and having struggled big time with powderpuff.

"Marquez, please fight me again. Hatton please stop drinking beer and please, please, please give me a payday...". It just seems a bit desperate and I can see both fighters busting up Diaz something rotten. Meanwhile the guy who won more of the rounds against Diaz is high and dry and not even on the radar for a rematch. It says everything about Diaz and where his honesty and heart lie to me.

Paulie was quite right to call out the judges after the fight too. It gets that judges name out there, so more can be aware. If boxing had any dignity faulty judges would be investigated and booted for repeatedly scoring fights waywardly. Boxing is full of shit and I was glad to see Paulie have his outburst, because it was the truth. It gets harder to be a boxing fan with this kind of carry on. I can see a time where as a fan, enough becomes enough.

Hahahaha Bilbo I am not going show any pity when I point out how DEAD WRONG you are about Froch.

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PLENTY of people thought Diaz won. I may not be one of them, but that doesn't change the fact that there was a large minority who felt that Diaz took it & scoring just 2 rounds the other way I would have had him winning. I'm guessing that those who weren't indignant at the result didn't feel the same need to go to every boxing website & declare their disgust in the same way some of those who felt Paulie won did.

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I've not seen a poll online where Diaz has got more than 20% of voter support, the overwhelming majority were in favour of a Malignaggi won.

But it's not just about the decision, it's the nature of it. Had Diaz edged a razor close decision then it would have been palatable but 118-110, please, that just demonstrates that Paulie had already lost the fight before he stepped into the ring.

He was chosen as a non puncher, was made to come in under weight to take away any edge he might have, and then it had already been predecided that Diaz would win the decision. Paulie could have put him down twice and he still would have lost on the cards.

It IS a robbery, it's corruption and no wonder Malignaggi is pissed. They did it here with McDermott too, he completely exposed TysonFury and then went on to lose a wide wide decision where the ref gave all but two rounds to Fury. At least the British board of control have ordered an immediate rematch but honestly this sport fucking sucks at times.

It's probably the same in most sports. We saw in Formula 1 how Renault cheated last year in Singapore by asking Piquet to crash his car into the barrier to bring out the safety car to secure an Alonso win.

You guys are deluding yourselves if you don't think that kind of thing goes on in boxing.

There was simply no way Juan was losing this fight unless by KO, and they handpicked a notorious non puncher to ensure that wouldn't happen, even forcing to fight at catchweight to take away any chance.

Sorry but all I can say is fuck Juan Diaz, fuck GBP and fuck the corrrupt judges who had their pockets lined for that fight.

Diaz is going nowhere anywhere as soon as he steps up he gets the shit kicked out of him and it will be sweet.

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Will rep you when I can because I like a lot of what you are saying here. Glad to see another person calling it a robbery too as I seem to be in the minority on this thread in feeling that way about this fight.

It's obvious that most people do actually think Malignaggi won. Any fighter with integrity would accept this and try to set the record straight, but not the little blubbery seal. He knows he is limited and on the wane and is looking to cash out now having lost to two old men and having struggled big time with powderpuff.

"Marquez, please fight me again. Hatton please stop drinking beer and please, please, please give me a payday...". It just seems a bit desperate and I can see both fighters busting up Diaz something rotten. Meanwhile the guy who won more of the rounds against Diaz is high and dry and not even on the radar for a rematch. It says everything about Diaz and where his honesty and heart lie to me.

Paulie was quite right to call out the judges after the fight too. It gets that judges name out there, so more can be aware. If boxing had any dignity faulty judges would be investigated and booted for repeatedly scoring fights waywardly. Boxing is full of shit and I was glad to see Paulie have his outburst, because it was the truth. It gets harder to be a boxing fan with this kind of carry on. I can see a time where as a fan, enough becomes enough.

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What fighter has EVER called out the judges for giving THEM the victory.

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I don't care about hating fighters, Miles does have a certain flair with his hate, but wanting a guy to go up and apologize for winning a fight but maybe having iffy scores is insane.

Casamayor clearly lost. Nobody argues that. I barely know who Fury is.

Froch is going to lose LOL. Well maybe. Dumb shit talked about how silly Dirrell is to call himself "Son of God" when he doesn't even call himself that, its Andre Ward ffs.

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To be fair, my dislike of Khan apprears to be dissipating as the Barrera fight appears to me evermore like some kind of distant bad dream. The same with Manny too, Hatton appears to be long gone and the wind up fans have all gathered in some other great garden of all things Pacquiao.

Otherwise, I currently dislike the blubbery seal and won't have too much good to say about Mayweather unless he fights a proper opponent. We will probably end up with Mayweather/Diaz at 144 pounds though. Nooooo!!!!!

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I've not seen a poll online where Diaz has got more than 20% of voter support, the overwhelming majority were in favour of a Malignaggi won.

But it's not just about the decision, it's the nature of it. Had Diaz edged a razor close decision then it would have been palatable but 118-110, please, that just demonstrates that Paulie had already lost the fight before he stepped into the ring.

He was chosen as a non puncher, was made to come in under weight to take away any edge he might have, and then it had already been predecided that Diaz would win the decision. Paulie could have put him down twice and he still would have lost on the cards.

It IS a robbery, it's corruption and no wonder Malignaggi is pissed. They did it here with McDermott too, he completely exposed TysonFury and then went on to lose a wide wide decision where the ref gave all but two rounds to Fury. At least the British board of control have ordered an immediate rematch but honestly this sport fucking sucks at times.

It's probably the same in most sports. We saw in Formula 1 how Renault cheated last year in Singapore by asking Piquet to crash his car into the barrier to bring out the safety car to secure an Alonso win.

You guys are deluding yourselves if you don't think that kind of thing goes on in boxing.

There was simply no way Juan was losing this fight unless by KO, and they handpicked a notorious non puncher to ensure that wouldn't happen, even forcing to fight at catchweight to take away any chance.

Sorry but all I can say is fuck Juan Diaz, fuck GBP and fuck the corrrupt judges who had their pockets lined for that fight.

Diaz is going nowhere anywhere as soon as he steps up he gets the shit kicked out of him and it will be sweet.

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Will rep you when I can because I like a lot of what you are saying here. Glad to see another person calling it a robbery too as I seem to be in the minority on this thread in feeling that way about this fight.

It's obvious that most people do actually think Malignaggi won. Any fighter with integrity would accept this and try to set the record straight, but not the little blubbery seal. He knows he is limited and on the wane and is looking to cash out now having lost to two old men and having struggled big time with powderpuff.

"Marquez, please fight me again. Hatton please stop drinking beer and please, please, please give me a payday...". It just seems a bit desperate and I can see both fighters busting up Diaz something rotten. Meanwhile the guy who won more of the rounds against Diaz is high and dry and not even on the radar for a rematch. It says everything about Diaz and where his honesty and heart lie to me.

Paulie was quite right to call out the judges after the fight too. It gets that judges name out there, so more can be aware. If boxing had any dignity faulty judges would be investigated and booted for repeatedly scoring fights waywardly. Boxing is full of shit and I was glad to see Paulie have his outburst, because it was the truth. It gets harder to be a boxing fan with this kind of carry on. I can see a time where as a fan, enough becomes enough.

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What fighter has EVER called out the judges for giving THEM the victory.

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I cannot think of any, but it would be a fantastic precedent in boxing were it to happen. I think I might have standards that make me distinct from the rest of the human race though.

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Will rep you when I can because I like a lot of what you are saying here. Glad to see another person calling it a robbery too as I seem to be in the minority on this thread in feeling that way about this fight.

It's obvious that most people do actually think Malignaggi won. Any fighter with integrity would accept this and try to set the record straight, but not the little blubbery seal. He knows he is limited and on the wane and is looking to cash out now having lost to two old men and having struggled big time with powderpuff.

"Marquez, please fight me again. Hatton please stop drinking beer and please, please, please give me a payday...". It just seems a bit desperate and I can see both fighters busting up Diaz something rotten. Meanwhile the guy who won more of the rounds against Diaz is high and dry and not even on the radar for a rematch. It says everything about Diaz and where his honesty and heart lie to me.

Paulie was quite right to call out the judges after the fight too. It gets that judges name out there, so more can be aware. If boxing had any dignity faulty judges would be investigated and booted for repeatedly scoring fights waywardly. Boxing is full of shit and I was glad to see Paulie have his outburst, because it was the truth. It gets harder to be a boxing fan with this kind of carry on. I can see a time where as a fan, enough becomes enough.

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What fighter has EVER called out the judges for giving THEM the victory.

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I cannot think of any, but it would be a fantastic precedent in boxing were it to happen. I think I might have standards that make me distinct from the rest of the human race though.

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What's strange though is that in MMA they have an entirely different culture.

I remember Chris Leben winning a close decision a couple years back and in the post fight interview saying he felt he was lucky to get the win and he thought his opponent deserved it, and many times fighters will pay tribute to their losing opponent and say they were unlucky not to get the decision and that the fight could have gone either way.

The ref's are more honest too with Herb Dean recently admitting he made a mistake in stopping a fight to early.

There's sportsmanship in snooker too, with on several occasions a player being know to declare a foul on himself if he accidently touched a ball whilst setting up a shot even though the referee has missed it.

Some sports simply have more integrity than others. Boxing, like football (soccer) just has very little for the most part.

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What fighter has EVER called out the judges for giving THEM the victory.

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I cannot think of any, but it would be a fantastic precedent in boxing were it to happen. I think I might have standards that make me distinct from the rest of the human race though.

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What's strange though is that in MMA they have an entirely different culture.

I remember Chris Leben winning a close decision a couple years back and in the post fight interview saying he felt he was lucky to get the win and he thought his opponent deserved it, and many times fighters will pay tribute to their losing opponent and say they were unlucky not to get the decision and that the fight could have gone either way.

The ref's are more honest too with Herb Dean recently admitting he made a mistake in stopping a fight to early.

There's sportsmanship in snooker too, with on several occasions a player being know to declare a foul on himself if he accidently touched a ball whilst setting up a shot even though the referee has missed it.

Some sports simply have more integrity than others. Boxing, like football (soccer) just has very little for the most part.

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I had it 115-113 Malignaggi, how about you?

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What fighter has EVER called out the judges for giving THEM the victory.

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I cannot think of any, but it would be a fantastic precedent in boxing were it to happen. I think I might have standards that make me distinct from the rest of the human race though.

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What's strange though is that in MMA they have an entirely different culture.

I remember Chris Leben winning a close decision a couple years back and in the post fight interview saying he felt he was lucky to get the win and he thought his opponent deserved it, and many times fighters will pay tribute to their losing opponent and say they were unlucky not to get the decision and that the fight could have gone either way.

The ref's are more honest too with Herb Dean recently admitting he made a mistake in stopping a fight to early.

There's sportsmanship in snooker too, with on several occasions a player being know to declare a foul on himself if he accidently touched a ball whilst setting up a shot even though the referee has missed it.

Some sports simply have more integrity than others. Boxing, like football (soccer) just has very little for the most part.

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Interesting to see MMA having more honesty within it's ranks. I have never watched MMA properly and always thought of it as an ugly sport with men rolling around on the floor. But if those men have moral backbone then I might need to start paying more attention. It gets boring watching a sport where the top level fighters earn so much money and give so little back to the fans in terms of a basic level respect. The other guy got robbed, well at least say you think so too! Don't bullshit and just say he was "real slick" 200 times. :rolleyes:

Boxing seems overrun with dastardly hyena's all out for what they can get. Promoters, judges and the fighters too. Honesty is sorely lacking. There are good guys somewhere in the midst but they are overrun and swarmed by the multitudes who lack these basic character attributes.

Boxing and snooker...dear jesus :cwm13:...welcome back Bilbo

Killed another free flowing thread....my bad.Please continue

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Not that Pacquiao has anything to do with this thread, but he would've absolutely smoked Diaz, who never would have seen his punches coming. It probably would have been more competitive that the other Diaz' fight, but it wouldn't have lasted as long.

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LOL. Sorry for including Pac in this thread. I could not start a thread about it so with the spur of the moment I just have to ask about it.

David Diaz was a reasonable fight for Pac as he was the man who beat Erik Morales though I personally see that fight as a robbery on Erik's legacy.

Another question that has been in my mind is, how long would Juan last against Pac.

Regarding my question on Hatton vs Diaz, I'm wondering how would Diaz fare against Hatton given that Hatton handled Malignaggi easily.Of course styles make fight but given HAtton and Diaz' ability, styles won't really be a big factor here.:cool:

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Hatton is pretty much shot, so i'd actually favor Diaz to pull a decision, unless it's in Manchester, and using your logic, Manny shouldn't want any of Mayweather seeing how bad he struggled with Marquez and how easily Floyd played with him :rolleyes:

I thought Malignaggi won the fight but I really dont care to see a rematch....maybe it was paulie's prior fights that soured me but i just dont like to watch him much.......

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Not that Pacquiao has anything to do with this thread, but he would've absolutely smoked Diaz, who never would have seen his punches coming. It probably would have been more competitive that the other Diaz' fight, but it wouldn't have lasted as long.

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LOL. Sorry for including Pac in this thread. I could not start a thread about it so with the spur of the moment I just have to ask about it.

David Diaz was a reasonable fight for Pac as he was the man who beat Erik Morales though I personally see that fight as a robbery on Erik's legacy.

Another question that has been in my mind is, how long would Juan last against Pac.

Regarding my question on Hatton vs Diaz, I'm wondering how would Diaz fare against Hatton given that Hatton handled Malignaggi easily.Of course styles make fight but given HAtton and Diaz' ability, styles won't really be a big factor here.:cool:

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Hatton is pretty much shot, so i'd actually favor Diaz to pull a decision, unless it's in Manchester, and using your logic, Manny shouldn't want any of Mayweather seeing how bad he struggled with Marquez and how easily Floyd played with him :rolleyes:

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There you go again. It's like vice-versa. MAyweather won't want Pac considering how PAc demolished HAtton easily and how MAyweather struggled with HAtton's style in the earlier rounds. This is boxing and anything can happen here considering that Pac and Mayweather are the best in boxing.

Floyd koed MArquez only once while Pac have done it thrice in their first fight. Clearly, the fight can be argued as a matter of style. Pac vs Mayweather is not comparable to Marquez vs Mayweather because Pac is definitely faster and stronger than MArquez.

If there's someone who has the highest chance right now of knocking Mayweather, it's definitely Pac, IMO.

Pac's fight against Cotto will be a test of his ability against Mayweather. If he KO's Cotto, then there is no doubt in my mind that he would be able to KO Mayweather. If he KOs Cotto under 6 rounds as predicted by Roach, Mayweather will go down under 9 unless he will run and run around Pac like what Barrera did in his second fight against Pac. By that time, MAyweather's courage will be tested and this is the reason why this fight is very exciting.

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LOL. Sorry for including Pac in this thread. I could not start a thread about it so with the spur of the moment I just have to ask about it.

David Diaz was a reasonable fight for Pac as he was the man who beat Erik Morales though I personally see that fight as a robbery on Erik's legacy.

Another question that has been in my mind is, how long would Juan last against Pac.

Regarding my question on Hatton vs Diaz, I'm wondering how would Diaz fare against Hatton given that Hatton handled Malignaggi easily.Of course styles make fight but given HAtton and Diaz' ability, styles won't really be a big factor here.:cool:

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Hatton is pretty much shot, so i'd actually favor Diaz to pull a decision, unless it's in Manchester, and using your logic, Manny shouldn't want any of Mayweather seeing how bad he struggled with Marquez and how easily Floyd played with him :rolleyes:

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There you go again. It's like vice-versa. MAyweather won't want Pac considering how PAc demolished HAtton easily and how MAyweather struggled with HAtton's style in the earlier rounds. This is boxing and anything can happen here considering that Pac and Mayweather are the best in boxing.

Floyd koed MArquez only once while Pac have done it thrice in their first fight. Clearly, the fight can be argued as a matter of style. Pac vs Mayweather is not comparable to Marquez vs Mayweather because Pac is definitely faster and stronger than MArquez.

If there's someone who has the highest chance right now of knocking Mayweather, it's definitely Pac, IMO.

Pac's fight against Cotto will be a test of his ability against Mayweather. If he KO's Cotto, then there is no doubt in my mind that he would be able to KO Mayweather. If he KOs Cotto under 6 rounds as predicted by Roach, Mayweather will go down under 9 unless he will run and run around Pac like what Barrera did in his second fight against Pac. By that time, MAyweather's courage will be tested and this is the reason why this fight is very exciting.

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no sorry Mayweather nor Pacquiao Ko'd Marquez, they knocked him down, big difference, learn son, learn

Ah, now I know why he wants to become a lawyer. :pissing:

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Meh, I think the oh Paulie had to jump through so many hoops line is a bit tired and overdone. He wanted the fight, he agreed to the catchweight and then the week of the fight starts bitching about it, yawn.

And you would think it was the most smallest ring EVAR. This stuff happens all the time, the only reason people are jumping on it is Paulie raised a fuss about it fight week, yawn X 2. This combined with promising Max his first born child was very smart manuevering by Paulie.

As for fighting in Texas, LOL. The previous fight Diaz fought in Texas too and one of the judges gave the fight to Michael Katsidis in a fight that Diaz strolled through.

None of these things helped Paulie but people act like its the tragedy of all tragedies.

And nobody (well maybe Amat) says that the 118-110 card wasn't a stretch but that's not what were arguing, I'm arguing Diaz won, period. And anyway I don't think its such open shut thing that Van Hoye's card was pure corruptness, Diaz was landing the cleaner harder looking shots and every time he landed the crown went nuts.

That can effect you especially when the other guy just isn't landing anything substantial. I had it 7-5 Diaz watching it on tv with Max getting wet every time Paulie pulled his pants up, if I was in the arena I would have probably had it 116-112 or so. So yeah Viva Von Hoye if only just to annoy people.

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I agree with you. Mosley won that 2nd fight with ODH too. The fighter going backwards doesn't get much credit in my book. Especially if he's getting hurt, and not hurting the other fighter. Paulie always has an uphill battle if I were judging.

I scored this fight and had it close, Paulie a slight winner. Easily could have gone either way, but thought the judging was terribad, and biased. So basically, no new revelations here.

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Meh, I think the oh Paulie had to jump through so many hoops line is a bit tired and overdone. He wanted the fight, he agreed to the catchweight and then the week of the fight starts bitching about it, yawn.

And you would think it was the most smallest ring EVAR. This stuff happens all the time, the only reason people are jumping on it is Paulie raised a fuss about it fight week, yawn X 2. This combined with promising Max his first born child was very smart manuevering by Paulie.

As for fighting in Texas, LOL. The previous fight Diaz fought in Texas too and one of the judges gave the fight to Michael Katsidis in a fight that Diaz strolled through.

None of these things helped Paulie but people act like its the tragedy of all tragedies.

And nobody (well maybe Amat) says that the 118-110 card wasn't a stretch but that's not what were arguing, I'm arguing Diaz won, period. And anyway I don't think its such open shut thing that Van Hoye's card was pure corruptness, Diaz was landing the cleaner harder looking shots and every time he landed the crown went nuts.

That can effect you especially when the other guy just isn't landing anything substantial. I had it 7-5 Diaz watching it on tv with Max getting wet every time Paulie pulled his pants up, if I was in the arena I would have probably had it 116-112 or so. So yeah Viva Von Hoye if only just to annoy people.

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I agree with you. Mosley won that 2nd fight with ODH too. The fighter going backwards doesn't get much credit in my book. Especially if he's getting hurt, and not hurting the other fighter. Paulie always has an uphill battle if I were judging.

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I don't really score against a guy because he's moving, just as long as he's being effective its fine with me.

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Hatton is pretty much shot, so i'd actually favor Diaz to pull a decision, unless it's in Manchester, and using your logic, Manny shouldn't want any of Mayweather seeing how bad he struggled with Marquez and how easily Floyd played with him :rolleyes:

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There you go again. It's like vice-versa. MAyweather won't want Pac considering how PAc demolished HAtton easily and how MAyweather struggled with HAtton's style in the earlier rounds. This is boxing and anything can happen here considering that Pac and Mayweather are the best in boxing.

Floyd koed MArquez only once while Pac have done it thrice in their first fight. Clearly, the fight can be argued as a matter of style. Pac vs Mayweather is not comparable to Marquez vs Mayweather because Pac is definitely faster and stronger than MArquez.

If there's someone who has the highest chance right now of knocking Mayweather, it's definitely Pac, IMO.

Pac's fight against Cotto will be a test of his ability against Mayweather. If he KO's Cotto, then there is no doubt in my mind that he would be able to KO Mayweather. If he KOs Cotto under 6 rounds as predicted by Roach, Mayweather will go down under 9 unless he will run and run around Pac like what Barrera did in his second fight against Pac. By that time, MAyweather's courage will be tested and this is the reason why this fight is very exciting.

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no sorry Mayweather nor Pacquiao Ko'd Marquez, they knocked him down, big difference, learn son, learn

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LOL. wrong choice of word and i stand corrected. Thank you.

I'm too old to be your son and with the way you post here, I'm thinking that you could be one of my grandsons.;)

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Malignaggi did more than enough to win his fight with Diaz and was plain as day robbed. Golden Boy and Diaz should have the common decency and courtesy of giving Malignaggi an instant rematch, but instead they run looking for pots of treasure.

I dislike Richard Schaefer who appears to be nothing more than Golden Boys resident propagandist. He comes across as a horribly plastic human being. And Diaz reminds me of nothing more than an overactive blubbery seal. You just need to draw some blood and then harpoon him.

Malignaggi is stylistically difficult and Diaz simply doesn't want to try and work him out. It annoys me when fighters refuse to acknowledge boxing robberies by refusing rematches.

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Malignaggi did more than enough to win his fight with Diaz and was plain as day robbed. Golden Boy and Diaz should have the common decency and courtesy of giving Malignaggi an instant rematch, but instead they run looking for pots of treasure.

I dislike Richard Schaefer who appears to be nothing more than Golden Boys resident propagandist. He comes across as a horribly plastic human being. And Diaz reminds me of nothing more than an overactive blubbery seal. You just need to draw some blood and then harpoon him.

Malignaggi is stylistically difficult and Diaz simply doesn't want to try and work him out. It annoys me when fighters refuse to acknowledge boxing robberies by refusing rematches.

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i am starting think that golden boy pays the judges too. i mean how come escobedo (who's a golden boy fighter) won in one judege's score card with his fight with katsidis? that should be a ud for kat. in no way escobedo could have won that coz katsidis was dictating the fight and was way aggressive while escobedo did not present any answers. you can see golden boy as some outfit willing to stretch it's fingers just to get what it wants, dirty as it may seem.
and i can't forget on how hoya also promoted mixed martial arts. this actions lead me to conclude that hoya really is pulling down the sport of boxing as some posters had posted.

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There you go again. It's like vice-versa. MAyweather won't want Pac considering how PAc demolished HAtton easily and how MAyweather struggled with HAtton's style in the earlier rounds. This is boxing and anything can happen here considering that Pac and Mayweather are the best in boxing.

Floyd koed MArquez only once while Pac have done it thrice in their first fight. Clearly, the fight can be argued as a matter of style. Pac vs Mayweather is not comparable to Marquez vs Mayweather because Pac is definitely faster and stronger than MArquez.

If there's someone who has the highest chance right now of knocking Mayweather, it's definitely Pac, IMO.

Pac's fight against Cotto will be a test of his ability against Mayweather. If he KO's Cotto, then there is no doubt in my mind that he would be able to KO Mayweather. If he KOs Cotto under 6 rounds as predicted by Roach, Mayweather will go down under 9 unless he will run and run around Pac like what Barrera did in his second fight against Pac. By that time, MAyweather's courage will be tested and this is the reason why this fight is very exciting.

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no sorry Mayweather nor Pacquiao Ko'd Marquez, they knocked him down, big difference, learn son, learn

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LOL. wrong choice of word and i stand corrected. Thank you.

I'm too old to be your son and with the way you post here, I'm thinking that you could be one of my grandsons.;)

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must be a pretty old guy then, and i'm impressed that in your elderly years you're able to even use a computer lol shit to be my grandpa you gotta be goin on 80 :-X

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no sorry Mayweather nor Pacquiao Ko'd Marquez, they knocked him down, big difference, learn son, learn

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LOL. wrong choice of word and i stand corrected. Thank you.

I'm too old to be your son and with the way you post here, I'm thinking that you could be one of my grandsons.;)

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must be a pretty old guy then, and i'm impressed that in your elderly years you're able to even use a computer lol shit to be my grandpa you gotta be goin on 80 :-X

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Now that post is what you call 'dumb'. You should really be reading in between the lines and not take things literally.:-X

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There you go again. It's like vice-versa. MAyweather won't want Pac considering how PAc demolished HAtton easily and how MAyweather struggled with HAtton's style in the earlier rounds. This is boxing and anything can happen here considering that Pac and Mayweather are the best in boxing.

Floyd koed MArquez only once while Pac have done it thrice in their first fight. Clearly, the fight can be argued as a matter of style. Pac vs Mayweather is not comparable to Marquez vs Mayweather because Pac is definitely faster and stronger than MArquez.

If there's someone who has the highest chance right now of knocking Mayweather, it's definitely Pac, IMO.

Pac's fight against Cotto will be a test of his ability against Mayweather. If he KO's Cotto, then there is no doubt in my mind that he would be able to KO Mayweather. If he KOs Cotto under 6 rounds as predicted by Roach, Mayweather will go down under 9 unless he will run and run around Pac like what Barrera did in his second fight against Pac. By that time, MAyweather's courage will be tested and this is the reason why this fight is very exciting.

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no sorry Mayweather nor Pacquiao Ko'd Marquez, they knocked him down, big difference, learn son, learn

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LOL. wrong choice of word and i stand corrected. Thank you.

I'm too old to be your son and with the way you post here, I'm thinking that you could be one of my grandsons.;)

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Hatton beat Castillo faster then Mayweather did and you saw what happened to Hatton

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LOL. wrong choice of word and i stand corrected. Thank you.

I'm too old to be your son and with the way you post here, I'm thinking that you could be one of my grandsons.;)

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must be a pretty old guy then, and i'm impressed that in your elderly years you're able to even use a computer lol shit to be my grandpa you gotta be goin on 80 :-X

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Now that post is what you call 'dumb'. You should really be reading in between the lines and not take things literally.:-X

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it's a little thing called sarcasm buddy, would think that you would have heard about it by now

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must be a pretty old guy then, and i'm impressed that in your elderly years you're able to even use a computer lol shit to be my grandpa you gotta be goin on 80 :-X

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Now that post is what you call 'dumb'. You should really be reading in between the lines and not take things literally.:-X

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it's a little thing called sarcasm buddy, would think that you would have heard about it by now

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yeah, that was what i was teaching you. thank goodness you're learning now.:-X


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Now that post is what you call 'dumb'. You should really be reading in between the lines and not take things literally.:-X

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it's a little thing called sarcasm buddy, would think that you would have heard about it by now

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yeah, that was what i was teaching you. thank goodness you're learning now.:-X


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sorry doubt that an elderly queer with a celebrity fixation can teach me anything ;D

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it's a little thing called sarcasm buddy, would think that you would have heard about it by now

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yeah, that was what i was teaching you. thank goodness you're learning now.:-X


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sorry doubt that an elderly queer with a celebrity fixation can teach me anything ;D

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I must be right then that you're just dumb enough not to learn even from an elderly queer. AS to celebrity fixation, we both are named after a celebrity. No wonder you're still fixated with Morales and you can't stop the hating on Pac. Grow up man.:-X Morales is great but you need to stop the hating on Pac. :cool:


Btw, how's your top 30 pound for pound without Donaire in it? Man, you're really becoming ridiculous every time you post your hate on Filipino fighters.


You badly need to stop hating on Filipino fighters.

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yeah, that was what i was teaching you. thank goodness you're learning now.:-X


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sorry doubt that an elderly queer with a celebrity fixation can teach me anything ;D

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I must be right then that you're just dumb enough not to learn even from an elderly queer. AS to celebrity fixation, we both are named after a celebrity. No wonder you're still fixated with Morales and you can't stop the hating on Pac. Grow up man.:-X Morales is great but you need to stop the hating on Pac. :cool:


Btw, how's your top 30 pound for pound without Donaire in it? Man, you're really becoming ridiculous every time you post your hate on Filipino fighters.


You badly need to stop hating on Filipino fighters.

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ummm i'm talking bout your oh so gay avatar dude, you and your girl? lol didn't know Brad Pitt was Filipino, or had a thing for Filipino fighters lol, umm and i don't hate, nor am i a fan boy of ANY FIGHTER, i give praise where it is due and don't suck off fighter's that are the flavor of the month like you do, bud

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sorry doubt that an elderly queer with a celebrity fixation can teach me anything ;D

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I must be right then that you're just dumb enough not to learn even from an elderly queer. AS to celebrity fixation, we both are named after a celebrity. No wonder you're still fixated with Morales and you can't stop the hating on Pac. Grow up man.:-X Morales is great but you need to stop the hating on Pac. :cool:


Btw, how's your top 30 pound for pound without Donaire in it? Man, you're really becoming ridiculous every time you post your hate on Filipino fighters.


You badly need to stop hating on Filipino fighters.

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ummm i'm talking bout your oh so gay avatar dude, you and your girl? lol didn't know Brad Pitt was Filipino, or had a thing for Filipino fighters lol, umm and i don't hate, nor am i a fan boy of ANY FIGHTER, i give praise where it is due and don't suck off fighter's that are the flavor of the month like you do, bud

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You still haven't learned about sarcasm bud. The avatar is sarcastic for those who know the story of that avatar.

You're a fan boy whether you admit or not. We've argued before and it's easy to identify fan boys like you. You pretend that you don't suck off a fighter but you have been doing it since you came here. Stop with the pretensions.:-X

Get out of my thread you you bunch of hermaphrodites! :mad:

This should be about the cowardice of Juan (the blubbery seal) Diaz!

Rematch chicken!

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Get out of my thread you you bunch of hermaphrodites! :mad:

This should be about the cowardice of Juan (the blubbery seal) Diaz!

Rematch chicken!

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LOL. I thought Juan Diaz is the real deal in lightweight. hehehe.;D
So he's now the 'blubbery seal' ha? Had I said this one year ago, many would have scorned me to death. ;D

Miles if Diaz is scared of anything, it's getting a decision stolen from him from the very faggy Malignaggi, that shit can't happen. There is no way he is actually scared of Paulie, come on now.

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Miles if Diaz is scared of anything, it's getting a decision stolen from him from the very faggy Malignaggi, that shit can't happen. There is no way he is actually scared of Paulie, come on now.

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the first fight was pretty much as even as it can get, i had Malignaggi winning at 115-113, like most have said, it's more a case of horribly bad scoring than a robbery, IMO if a rematch happens it should be in a neutral place, but i find it ridiculous that Diaz isn't willing to give into any of the demands, last time out he was favored in everything, the size of the ring, the weight, the venue, the judges, fuck that you have no title Diaz so why does everything have to be in your favor, the fight should be in Montana or some state as far from New York or Texas possible lol, if Diaz gets to pick the weight Malignaggi chooses the ring or vice versa, commission should pick neutral judges and it's a wrap, and to Bruce Leeroy, name one example of me being a fanboy you ass