Your thoughts on Lennox Lewis-Vitali Klitschko?

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Originally Posted by johnmaff36

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Sure Lennox opened up a couple other smaller cuts, but the main cut was due to Vitali leaning back (as he does) and Lennox's punch grazed Vitali's eyelid and that caused the main cut.

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If klitschko was as good a boxer as what some guys would have us believe then he wouldnt be leaning right back to begin with. That gets taught to you when your a kid. You also say that 'Sure lewis opened up a couple of other smaller cuts' as if it was of no significance and merely an afterthought. Also, whats the difference if lewis grazed him or caught him flush? He still cut him badly. Credit were credits due. He won fair and square. No point people (maybe not you personally)saying 'if this happened' or 'Vitali woulda KO'd him had it went another 2-3 rounds'. It didnt. The record books will show a Lewis victory regardless of its or buts

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....not everyone is 6'7, his style has worked for him he's lead on the scorecards (not that he's needed them) in every single fight he has been in, I don't know what you would call it but I call it success.

I reference the Ali-Quarry fight, Ali cut Quarry and the fight got stopped HOWEVER Ali gave Quarry the rematch anyway.....Lennox didn't do that, why? Well because he knew what was waiting for him. Lennox was getting older, Vitali would be just as prepared for him had they set up a rematch, Vitali had the style, chin, speed, stamina, and power to not just beat Lennox but beat him up and if they both had extra time to prepare then Lennox would have been humiliated because there was no way he could have handled it at his advanced age

You idiots think just because Vitali got cut (for the most part by accident) that he got his ass handed to him, that's fucking ridiculous. I don't make it out like Vitali won, but #1 He was up on ALL scorecards #2 Lennox Lewis was the ONLY person happy that fight got stopped "look at the state of his face, look at the state of his face!"....Lennox's face wasn't messed up but he knew damn well he was a lucky S.O.B which is why there was no rematch and Lennox has stayed retired, it's easy to stay retired when you know there is a dude waiting to kick your ass as soon as you set foot in the ring again.

Yes Vitali got cut by Lewis, the cut over the eyelid was the one that stopped the fight and that cut was a FLUKE, and if you can't accept that then fine, but Lennox Lewis was one lucky bastard that night.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by johnmaff36

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Sure Lennox opened up a couple other smaller cuts, but the main cut was due to Vitali leaning back (as he does) and Lennox's punch grazed Vitali's eyelid and that caused the main cut.

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If klitschko was as good a boxer as what some guys would have us believe then he wouldnt be leaning right back to begin with. That gets taught to you when your a kid. You also say that 'Sure lewis opened up a couple of other smaller cuts' as if it was of no significance and merely an afterthought. Also, whats the difference if lewis grazed him or caught him flush? He still cut him badly. Credit were credits due. He won fair and square. No point people (maybe not you personally)saying 'if this happened' or 'Vitali woulda KO'd him had it went another 2-3 rounds'. It didnt. The record books will show a Lewis victory regardless of its or buts

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....not everyone is 6'7, his style has worked for him he's lead on the scorecards (not that he's needed them) in every single fight he has been in, I don't know what you would call it but I call it success.

I reference the Ali-Quarry fight, Ali cut Quarry and the fight got stopped HOWEVER Ali gave Quarry the rematch anyway.....Lennox didn't do that, why? Well because he knew what was waiting for him. Lennox was getting older, Vitali would be just as prepared for him had they set up a rematch, Vitali had the style, chin, speed, stamina, and power to not just beat Lennox but beat him up and if they both had extra time to prepare then Lennox would have been humiliated because there was no way he could have handled it at his advanced age

You idiots think just because Vitali got cut (for the most part by accident) that he got his ass handed to him, that's fucking ridiculous. I don't make it out like Vitali won, but #1 He was up on ALL scorecards #2 Lennox Lewis was the ONLY person happy that fight got stopped "look at the state of his face, look at the state of his face!"....Lennox's face wasn't messed up but he knew damn well he was a lucky S.O.B which is why there was no rematch and Lennox has stayed retired, it's easy to stay retired when you know there is a dude waiting to kick your ass as soon as you set foot in the ring again.

Yes Vitali got cut by Lewis, the cut over the eyelid was the one that stopped the fight and that cut was a FLUKE, and if you can't accept that then fine, but Lennox Lewis was one lucky bastard that night.

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Lyle I am usually (Most of the time the only one) who backs you on the Klitschko arguements but to say Lewis retired and would not come back because he was scared of Vitali is something I can not stomache.

Lewis retired because he knoew his time had come and it was the best thing to do so he would not end up another champion who "Should" have known when it was time to go.

Smart man who uses his head over his balls to make decisions.

Lewis feared no man in the ring and beat every fucking man with a chance he ever faced, he dominated the HW division....Because when he faced a man 6!!!! years younger then him and realized he was slipping did not mean Vitali was afraid of him...

Lennox won the last 2 rds of the fight so it was VITALI who was going down the tubes....

Luck on a cut is by accidental butt, glove laces etc not a punch, and Lennox honed in like a freaking scud missle on the cut once it did happen making Vitali a bloody mess and to be cut and have it opened to that extent is not lucky!!!

Yes Lennox was tired as hell but so was Vitali and Lennox came in under trained, so a rematch with Lennox in top shape things would have really favored Lennox even if Vitali took the fight on short notice.

Lennox did not fear Vitali in no way shape or form...

Sorry to light the match that burned down that fairy tale

If Lennox didn't fear him then why agree to a rematch only to back away?

Daxx, how fucking often does it happen that the thumb of a glove catches someones eyelid and rather than just poke the eye it rips the eyelid open? How many occasions have you seen a cut like that? I would guess not too often, sure you get the cuts above the eyelids from swelling, clash of heads, etc, but not from a grazing blow.

Yeah Lewis sure as hell did hone in on that cut, it was his saving grace and yes he opened up smaller cuts, but by no means was Vitali done.

...I will say this, in the 2nd round around 1:45 Lennox took one of the hardest right crosses I've ever seen him take (McCall and Rahman included) and he had to hang on for dear life and Vitali took some wicked uppercuts and had to do the same in a later round.

I think the stoppage was fine, but due to the FACT Vitali more than held his own he earned a rematch. It could have been ENORMOUS PPV $$$.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

If Lennox didn't fear him then why agree to a rematch only to back away?

Daxx, how fucking often does it happen that the thumb of a glove catches someones eyelid and rather than just poke the eye it rips the eyelid open? How many occasions have you seen a cut like that? I would guess not too often, sure you get the cuts above the eyelids from swelling, clash of heads, etc, but not from a grazing blow.

Yeah Lewis sure as hell did hone in on that cut, it was his saving grace and yes he opened up smaller cuts, but by no means was Vitali done.

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From what I remember both men were looking worse for the wear and that is leaving out the cut.

Yes I know what you mean about the glove grazing and causing a cut but NEVER have I seen a cut become so out of control from being started by a graze of the glove :-\...

In fucking truth is was a fight of nothing but power punches by 2 big big heavyweights that neither was prepared for, and I don't mean prepared for in the sense of training but the fact that neither had ever faced men of that sized with that skill level.

Yes Lennox fought Akinwande and Grant but we all know what they are.

It was something new for both men.

Vitali showed Lennox that he was an aging champion who was slipping and Lennox showed Vitali that heart and power alone isn't enough to win fights.

Vitali became a better fighter by 50% after that bout.

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by johnmaff36

If klitschko was as good a boxer as what some guys would have us believe then he wouldnt be leaning right back to begin with. That gets taught to you when your a kid. You also say that 'Sure lewis opened up a couple of other smaller cuts' as if it was of no significance and merely an afterthought. Also, whats the difference if lewis grazed him or caught him flush? He still cut him badly. Credit were credits due. He won fair and square. No point people (maybe not you personally)saying 'if this happened' or 'Vitali woulda KO'd him had it went another 2-3 rounds'. It didnt. The record books will show a Lewis victory regardless of its or buts

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....not everyone is 6'7, his style has worked for him he's lead on the scorecards (not that he's needed them) in every single fight he has been in, I don't know what you would call it but I call it success.

I reference the Ali-Quarry fight, Ali cut Quarry and the fight got stopped HOWEVER Ali gave Quarry the rematch anyway.....Lennox didn't do that, why? Well because he knew what was waiting for him. Lennox was getting older, Vitali would be just as prepared for him had they set up a rematch, Vitali had the style, chin, speed, stamina, and power to not just beat Lennox but beat him up and if they both had extra time to prepare then Lennox would have been humiliated because there was no way he could have handled it at his advanced age

You idiots think just because Vitali got cut (for the most part by accident) that he got his ass handed to him, that's fucking ridiculous. I don't make it out like Vitali won, but #1 He was up on ALL scorecards #2 Lennox Lewis was the ONLY person happy that fight got stopped "look at the state of his face, look at the state of his face!"....Lennox's face wasn't messed up but he knew damn well he was a lucky S.O.B which is why there was no rematch and Lennox has stayed retired, it's easy to stay retired when you know there is a dude waiting to kick your ass as soon as you set foot in the ring again.

Yes Vitali got cut by Lewis, the cut over the eyelid was the one that stopped the fight and that cut was a FLUKE, and if you can't accept that then fine, but Lennox Lewis was one lucky bastard that night.

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Lyle I am usually (Most of the time the only one) who backs you on the Klitschko arguements but to say Lewis retired and would not come back because he was scared of Vitali is something I can not stomache.

Lewis retired because he knoew his time had come and it was the best thing to do so he would not end up another champion who "Should" have known when it was time to go.

Smart man who uses his head over his balls to make decisions.

Lewis feared no man in the ring and beat every fucking man with a chance he ever faced, he dominated the HW division....Because when he faced a man 6!!!! years younger then him and realized he was slipping did not mean Vitali was afraid of him...

Lennox won the last 2 rds of the fight so it was VITALI who was going down the tubes....

Luck on a cut is by accidental butt, glove laces etc not a punch, and Lennox honed in like a freaking scud missle on the cut once it did happen making Vitali a bloody mess and to be cut and have it opened to that extent is not lucky!!!

Yes Lennox was tired as hell but so was Vitali and Lennox came in under trained, so a rematch with Lennox in top shape things would have really favored Lennox even if Vitali took the fight on short notice.

Lennox did not fear Vitali in no way shape or form...

Sorry to light the match that burned down that fairy tale

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100% correct. Couldnt have put it better myself. I too would agree with quite a few of lyles thoughts but this blinkered attitude towards Klitschko is getting a bit much.

You guys can argue all you want but the FACT is that Vitali was winning the fight, that is a FACT....don't tell me about "Vitali's face was bleeding, there were big cuts, he was gassing out" blah blah blah...58-56, 58-56, 58-56....get that through your head

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Originally Posted by Lyle

You guys can argue all you want but the FACT is that Vitali was winning the fight, that is a FACT....don't tell me about "Vitali's face was bleeding, there were big cuts, he was gassing out" blah blah blah...58-56, 58-56, 58-56....get that through your head

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I have been following this forum for a while but finally decided to register because of this thread, and Lyle here. I keep reading valid points on both sides of this discussion but here is the part I have a problem with. As you just said Lyle, Vitali was winning the fight by the score cards, however, as several people have brought up, Lennox had won the last 2 rounds before the fight was stopped. The likely hood is that the scale would have tipped in Lennox's favor the way things were going. But all speculation aside, Lennox won. Some people believe there should have been a rematch but just because they believe that doesn't mean it is truth. What did Lennox have to gain from a rematch? Like people have said, he was getting older and maybe his time was up. So he went out on a positive note. Just because you and others would like to see Lennox beaten, that is your view, but if Lennox believed he would not be able to keep up the performance of his past then it is not logical at all to take a rematch that would only benefit the up and coming Vitali, and those of you who just wanted to see Lennox lose to Vitali to prove some kind of point.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

You guys can argue all you want but the FACT is that Vitali was winning the fight, that is a FACT....don't tell me about "Vitali's face was bleeding, there were big cuts, he was gassing out" blah blah blah...58-56, 58-56, 58-56....get that through your head

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Yep, having thre old farts at ringside saying you were 2 points ahead at the half way stage of a fight is far more impressive than giving a guy 50 stitches and leaving him looking like a bomb blast victim :rolleyes:

yeh vitali was winning.

lennox lewis showed some atrocious technique in this fight. truly terrible stuff. he's not on mike tyson's level skill-wise, nor bowe's

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Originally Posted by sumkalambay

yeh vitali was winning.

lennox lewis showed some atrocious technique in this fight. truly terrible stuff. he's not on mike tyson's level skill-wise, nor bowe's

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Have a word with yourself mate

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by Lyle

You guys can argue all you want but the FACT is that Vitali was winning the fight, that is a FACT....don't tell me about "Vitali's face was bleeding, there were big cuts, he was gassing out" blah blah blah...58-56, 58-56, 58-56....get that through your head

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Yep, having thre old farts at ringside saying you were 2 points ahead at the half way stage of a fight is far more impressive than giving a guy 50 stitches and leaving him looking like a bomb blast victim :rolleyes:

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Lyle you can argue all you want but the FACT is that Vitali LOST the fight, that is a FACT....don't tell me about "Vitali's face was bleeding, there were big cuts, he was gassing out" blah blah blah... HE LOST!!!....get that through your head.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by sumkalambay

yeh vitali was winning.

lennox lewis showed some atrocious technique in this fight. truly terrible stuff. he's not on mike tyson's level skill-wise, nor bowe's

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Have a word with yourself mate

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lewis was an impressive fighter. but his skillset was basic. no doubt about it. what he did have was strength, stature, and a massive punch in his arsenal.

skill-wise, bowe is a league above.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

You guys can argue all you want but the FACT is that Vitali was winning the fight, that is a FACT....don't tell me about "Vitali's face was bleeding, there were big cuts, he was gassing out" blah blah blah...58-56, 58-56, 58-56....get that through your head

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correct me if im wrong but wasnt it a 12 round fight. So what if vitali was 2pts up, 1 knockdown woulda put paid to that. Points mean NOTHING until the bell for the end of the fight. We all have our opinions but for once just accept the outcome

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Originally Posted by sumkalambay

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by sumkalambay

yeh vitali was winning.

lennox lewis showed some atrocious technique in this fight. truly terrible stuff. he's not on mike tyson's level skill-wise, nor bowe's

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Have a word with yourself mate

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lewis was an impressive fighter. but his skillset was basic. no doubt about it. what he did have was strength, stature, and a massive punch in his arsenal.

skill-wise, bowe is a league above.

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OK Mate - I think we'll leave it there

lewis was fighting a fight one too many yet still would of gone on to knock out klitschko that night

Vitali was throwing the bigger shots through 2-4 but in 5-6 it was all lewis and he would stopped vitali eventually.

A half baked lennox busted up the very man that has dominated this division for the last half a decade

that says it all!!!!!!!!!!

This debate will just go on and on.People never liked Lewis and they will always find faults with him.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Lyle you can argue all you want but the FACT is that Vitali LOST the fight, that is a FACT....don't tell me about "Vitali's face was bleeding, there were big cuts, he was gassing out" blah blah blah... HE LOST!!!....get that through your head.

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....I'm not arguing the outcome of the fight, I'm arguing that there should have been a rematch and I based my claim on #1 The score cards #2 The freakish turn of events that caused the cut and #3 the PRECEDENT of Ali-Quarry.

Lyle 1 - the rest of you losers 0

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Originally Posted by littlebif

This debate will just go on and on.People never liked Lewis and they will always find faults with him.

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I don't mind Lewis, I think he was a very gifted fighter albeit he was lazy at times like vs Frank Bruno...when motivated he was one of the toughest technical and smartest fighters the heavyweight division has seen.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by littlebif

This debate will just go on and on.People never liked Lewis and they will always find faults with him.

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I don't mind Lewis, I think he was a very gifted fighter albeit he was lazy at times like vs Frank Bruno...when motivated he was one of the toughest technical and smartest fighters the heavyweight division has seen.

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Not very often you give a british fighter a compliment :o

He was actually good and backed up any talk he did...sure he fought an aged Mike Tyson, but it was to prove a point. He beat some very lively competition although some guys he let have a little too much success in the ring with him Frank Bruno and Shannon Briggs come to mind, maybe Ray Mercer, but Ray was very good as well and would have been a champion had he not hit some rough patches in his career with disease and losing to an old Larry Holmes.

All these reasons add to my disappointment of the lack of a rematch vs Vitali.

Not only am I a fan of the Klitschko brothers, I am a fan of HEAVYWEIGHTS and the bigger and badder the fights that can be made the less shit that division catches and the less I have to stick up for it and how good some of those guys are.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by johnmaff36

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Sure Lennox opened up a couple other smaller cuts, but the main cut was due to Vitali leaning back (as he does) and Lennox's punch grazed Vitali's eyelid and that caused the main cut.

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If klitschko was as good a boxer as what some guys would have us believe then he wouldnt be leaning right back to begin with. That gets taught to you when your a kid. You also say that 'Sure lewis opened up a couple of other smaller cuts' as if it was of no significance and merely an afterthought. Also, whats the difference if lewis grazed him or caught him flush? He still cut him badly. Credit were credits due. He won fair and square. No point people (maybe not you personally)saying 'if this happened' or 'Vitali woulda KO'd him had it went another 2-3 rounds'. It didnt. The record books will show a Lewis victory regardless of its or buts

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....not everyone is 6'7, his style has worked for him he's lead on the scorecards (not that he's needed them) in every single fight he has been in, I don't know what you would call it but I call it success.

I reference the Ali-Quarry fight, Ali cut Quarry and the fight got stopped HOWEVER Ali gave Quarry the rematch anyway.....Lennox didn't do that, why? Well because he knew what was waiting for him. Lennox was getting older, Vitali would be just as prepared for him had they set up a rematch, Vitali had the style, chin, speed, stamina, and power to not just beat Lennox but beat him up and if they both had extra time to prepare then Lennox would have been humiliated because there was no way he could have handled it at his advanced age

You idiots think just because Vitali got cut (for the most part by accident) that he got his ass handed to him, that's fucking ridiculous. I don't make it out like Vitali won, but #1 He was up on ALL scorecards #2 Lennox Lewis was the ONLY person happy that fight got stopped "look at the state of his face, look at the state of his face!"....Lennox's face wasn't messed up but he knew damn well he was a lucky S.O.B which is why there was no rematch and Lennox has stayed retired, it's easy to stay retired when you know there is a dude waiting to kick your ass as soon as you set foot in the ring again.

Yes Vitali got cut by Lewis, the cut over the eyelid was the one that stopped the fight and that cut was a FLUKE, and if you can't accept that then fine, but Lennox Lewis was one lucky bastard that night.

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I cant understand why you keep making a big thing out of referencing Ali-Quarry. Yes, Ali fought him twice, but he also had 6 fights between the 2 quarry fights. That doesnt sound to me like a rematch in the classical sense that i think your infering to, it just means they fought twice. Ha! Im just reading this back and it doesnt come out the way i intended but im sure you get my drift

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Lyle you can argue all you want but the FACT is that Vitali LOST the fight, that is a FACT....don't tell me about "Vitali's face was bleeding, there were big cuts, he was gassing out" blah blah blah... HE LOST!!!....get that through your head.

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....I'm not arguing the outcome of the fight, I'm arguing that there should have been a rematch and I based my claim on #1 The score cards #2 The freakish turn of events that caused the cut and #3 the PRECEDENT of Ali-Quarry.

Lyle 1 - the rest of you losers 0

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Gotta agree with that. The point is there should have been a rematch. Half of you are crying for Paulie Malanaggi to get a rematch. This was a close fight. The person who was winning lost on a cut, not a ko. Losing on cuts isn't a clear decisive win and proves who the better fighter was. Especially when losing on the score cards.

There should have been a rematch.

So every fighter that losses by a cut which was caused by a punch or punches has a right to a rematch? Weather you are winning or not you carnt continue if your face is severly damaged.

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Originally Posted by littlebif

So every fighter that losses by a cut which was caused by a punch or punches has a right to a rematch? Weather you are winning or not you carnt continue if your face is severly damaged.

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OK, let's not have any rematches...Lewis got KTFO vs Rahman and he got a rematch, he got did in by Oliver McCall and he got a rematch...he got done wrong by the judges vs Evander Holyfield and he got a rematch then too.

So excuse me for questioning the Great Lennox Lewis and the FACT Vitali Klitschko deserved a rematch....Lennox got all the rematches he ever wanted and when it came time for him to give one to another fighter that EARNED it, he bailed like a chump

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by littlebif

So every fighter that losses by a cut which was caused by a punch or punches has a right to a rematch? Weather you are winning or not you carnt continue if your face is severly damaged.

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OK, let's not have any rematches...Lewis got KTFO vs Rahman and he got a rematch, he got did in by Oliver McCall and he got a rematch...he got done wrong by the judges vs Evander Holyfield and he got a rematch then too.

So excuse me for questioning the Great Lennox Lewis and the FACT Vitali Klitschko deserved a rematch....Lennox got all the rematches he ever wanted and when it came time for him to give one to another fighter that EARNED it, he bailed like a chump

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To be fair though Lyle Lennox was at the end of his career and was lucky IMO to open that cut because I thought he would have wound up losing that fight had he not. So Lennox probably thought the same and got out still at the top, I think that is a good thing personally, too many great fighters have one fight too many and wind up getting humiliated.

Had they had a rematch and Vitali won, I don't think he would have got that much credit either as it would have been seen as an old past it Lewis, whereas now People look back and see the fight they had and know Vitali was winning and that Lewis won due to a cut and I think Vitali earned more respect from the boxing world in that fight than any other in his career.

A fully motivated Lennox would wipe Vitali, but Lennox could not get up for the fight, he achieved everything he wanted out of his career. Vitali was lucky, Lennox retired because if Lewis did get motivated for the re-match. There would be not Vitali left.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by littlebif

So every fighter that losses by a cut which was caused by a punch or punches has a right to a rematch? Weather you are winning or not you carnt continue if your face is severly damaged.

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OK, let's not have any rematches...Lewis got KTFO vs Rahman and he got a rematch, he got did in by Oliver McCall and he got a rematch...he got done wrong by the judges vs Evander Holyfield and he got a rematch then too.

So excuse me for questioning the Great Lennox Lewis and the FACT Vitali Klitschko deserved a rematch....Lennox got all the rematches he ever wanted and when it came time for him to give one to another fighter that EARNED it, he bailed like a chump

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Lewis stopped loads of guys in 6 rounds but he didnt have to give them rematches

the tide had turned and lewis would of stopp'ed vitali in the next 3 rounds

OK, one by one here I go....

Master, you're just plain wrong. Everyone makes a HUGE deal about Lennox Lewis preparing to fight Kirk Johnson and then having to switch to Vitali Klitschko, however, not such a big deal is made about Vitali Klitschko preparing to fight Cedric Boswell and then having to fight Lennox Lewis....if you gave them enough time to prepare for one another the fight would only be more difficult for Lennox.

GAME, cuts as freaky as the one Vitali had (btw one of the few times he's ever been cut EVER) don't happen that often and a rematch was earned and deserved and to deny that is ridiculous. If Ali can give Jerry Quarry a rematch because the previous fight was stopped on a cut then Lennox Lewis should have done the same for Vitali! By the was Ali-Quarry I was a TKO 3 (due to a cut) and Ali-Quarry II was a TKO 7....3 rounds Quarry fought 3 rounds and got a rematch and Vitali fights 6 and gets nothing. And NOBODY brings up the fact Vitali was WINNING the fight with basically 1 eye.

cpss, that's ridiculous Lewis was due for a round off, he was absolutely gased. By the way the fight was stopped due to a cut, nothing else, Lennox wasn't whipping anyone's ass it was an even fight and I know the same trite reply will come back "look at Vitali's face blah blah blah" yeah as I repeat for the millionth time those kind of cuts don't happen that often ergo Vitali deserved a rematch for if nothing else to see what would happen if he didn't get cut.

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Lennox Lewis-Oliver McCall I: Lewis got sparked in 2 rounds and eventually got a rematch.

Lennox Lewis-Hasim Rahman I: Lewis got laid out in 5 and got an immediate rematch.

Lennox Lewis-Evander Holyfield I: Lennox fought to a draw with Evander, he got an immediate rematch AND if that wasn't enough he got a gift decision to boot!!!

Vitali-Lewis was a great fight and you guys are dismissing the very thought of a rematch...well ffs you're the same people talking shit about the heavyweight division!

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Originally Posted by Lyle

OK, one by one here I go....

Master, you're just plain wrong. Everyone makes a HUGE deal about Lennox Lewis preparing to fight Kirk Johnson and then having to switch to Vitali Klitschko, however, not such a big deal is made about Vitali Klitschko preparing to fight Cedric Boswell and then having to fight Lennox Lewis....if you gave them enough time to prepare for one another the fight would only be more difficult for Lennox.

GAME, cuts as freaky as the one Vitali had (btw one of the few times he's ever been cut EVER) don't happen that often and a rematch was earned and deserved and to deny that is ridiculous. If Ali can give Jerry Quarry a rematch because the previous fight was stopped on a cut then Lennox Lewis should have done the same for Vitali! By the was Ali-Quarry I was a TKO 3 (due to a cut) and Ali-Quarry II was a TKO 7....3 rounds Quarry fought 3 rounds and got a rematch and Vitali fights 6 and gets nothing. And NOBODY brings up the fact Vitali was WINNING the fight with basically 1 eye.

cpss, that's ridiculous Lewis was due for a round off, he was absolutely gased. By the way the fight was stopped due to a cut, nothing else, Lennox wasn't whipping anyone's ass it was an even fight and I know the same trite reply will come back "look at Vitali's face blah blah blah" yeah as I repeat for the millionth time those kind of cuts don't happen that often ergo Vitali deserved a rematch for if nothing else to see what would happen if he didn't get cut.

Also once again:
Lennox Lewis-Oliver McCall I: Lewis got sparked in 2 rounds and eventually got a rematch.

Lennox Lewis-Hasim Rahman I: Lewis got laid out in 5 and got an immediate rematch.

Lennox Lewis-Evander Holyfield I: Lennox fought to a draw with Evander, he got an immediate rematch AND if that wasn't enough he got a gift decision to boot!!!

Vitali-Lewis was a great fight and you guys are dismissing the very thought of a rematch...well ffs you're the same people talking shit about the heavyweight division!

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Lennox was at the end though Lyle and I do think Vitaliu would more than likely have won a remtach. Lennox did the RIGHT thing by retiring before being humiliated as so many like Ali and so on have done.

You can't make someone carry on in a dangerous sport like boxing if they are no longer wanting it just because you deserve a rematch, it could end up fatal for the fighter and the sport.

Lyle,
Lennox, in the twlight of his career, took on the most dangerous opponent left for him (vitali). They boxed an even to and fro fight. Vitali unfortunately gets a cut so nasty there is really no choice but to pull him out. I myself felt a lot of sympathy for the guy - he was clearly devastated. But look at it from Lewis' point of view. At a ripe old age he takes on the most dangerous opponent he could, he's in there thinking 'shit, this is hard' 'maybe i don't have it anymore', 'oh wait,he's cut, thank fuck'. That fight would have told him the time had come to get out. Luckily for him he didn't have to learn than lesson via a painful defeat. So, quite logically, he decides to not fight on. In your view this makes him a 'chump'? To me it makes him smart, and in no way diminishes the man. Maybe Lewis did feel that he was likely to get beat in a rematch, but so what? You would have a point if Lewis boxed on fighting other people whilst avoiding the rematch. But he didn't. He retired. Surely this was him accepting his declining abilities with grace? I think good for him that he retired at the top, health intact.

The fact that Lewis was his heaviest ever and was in his undermotivated frame of mind yet he still stopped Vitali in 6 says alot. Logic dicates that a primed Lewis who always won rematches would have dismissed Vitali even quicker.

If Klitschko didnt beat him that night he never would beat him . That was his best chance and he blew it.

Lennox would have stopped Dr Ironfist -I hate him using that name-Danny Rand would kick his ass- in the next 2 rds
Sure Vitali was ahead on the cards & fought well enough to deserve a rematch
Lewis might have punked out by not granting it but he retired & got out on top:tease:
Which only a handful of fighters can say

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Originally Posted by sumkalambay

yeh vitali was winning.

lennox lewis showed some atrocious technique in this fight. truly terrible stuff. he's not on mike tyson's level skill-wise, nor bowe's

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yeah. Both of who were KO'd or stopped by lewis

[quote=Lyle;800549]OK, one by one here I go....





cpss, that's ridiculous Lewis was due for a round off, he was absolutely gased. By the way the fight was stopped due to a cut, nothing else, Lennox wasn't whipping anyone's ass it was an even fight and I know the same trite reply will come back "look at Vitali's face blah blah blah" yeah as I repeat for the millionth time those kind of cuts don't happen that often ergo Vitali deserved a rematch for if nothing else to see what would happen if he didn't get cut.



ok Lyle i dont understand your post you state "by the way the fight was stopped due to a cut nothing else" where in my small post i did not refer to how the fight actually ended just that i thought the tide had turned and lewis would of stopped vitali in the next 3 rounds so you post is total bollocks. thank you very much ;D

not had time to read all responses to yet but here's my take.

Vitali was ahead , and early on around round 3 I really thought he may stop Lewis, but Lewis imo was getting on top in round 6 - and Vitali's eye was ripped to shreds by Lewis' punches. If he'd have continued the damage may have been irreversible.

How Vitali took that massive uppercut (can't remember which round) I will never know - which makes me wonder why David Haye wants him over Wlad...

Lewis won TKO end of story

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Originally Posted by Mark TKO

not had time to read all responses to yet but here's my take.

Vitali was ahead , and early on around round 3 I really thought he may stop Lewis, but Lewis imo was getting on top in round 6 - and Vitali's eye was ripped to shreds by Lewis' punches. If he'd have continued the damage may have been irreversible.

How Vitali took that massive uppercut (can't remember which round) I will never know - which makes me wonder why David Haye wants him over Wlad...

Lewis won TKO end of story

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And thats the bottom line cos Stone Cold said so !


Agree completely Mark :cool:

I hate old threads because I can never remember what I posted when they started. My viewpoints often change in the meanwhile. Maybe they did in this, maybe not. I don't recall.

Anyway, it was a very decent scrap and nobody really lost. Lewis not giving the rematch was quite telling though.

Now lets put Lewis-Klitschko into perspective....

Lennox was preparing for a warm up go through the motions type fight with Kirk Johnson. He barely trained. Vitali was on the underscard eager to impress & in great shape. Johnson pulled out 2 weeks before the fight. Rather than see the card scrapped Lennox did something no champion has ever done before. Lennox took on his #1 contender, risking his title at only 2 weeks notice & barely 80% in shape.
Lennox was lethargic to say the least and give him his due Vitali was giving it his all & was slightly ahead, but the tide was turning & Lennox almost beheaded Vitali with a vicious uppercut that left Vitali barely hanging on.
The fight was rightly stopped because of the horrific damage to Vitali's face but the fight would not have gone two more rounds without the cuts.Lennox was ready to bring down the curtain.
A barely 80% Lewis stopped Vitali a 100% Lewis would have destroyed him. Lennox is now happily retired , a rich man with a beautiful wife & family secure in the knowledge he beat every man brave enough to get in the pro ring with him.
Have a long & happy life Champ Thanks for Everything