Your thoughts on Lennox Lewis-Vitali Klitschko?

[El Kabong]

Sure Lennox opened up a couple other smaller cuts, but the main cut was due to Vitali leaning back (as he does) and Lennox's punch grazed Vitali's eyelid and that caused the main cut.

If klitschko was as good a boxer as what some guys would have us believe then he wouldnt be leaning right back to begin with. That gets taught to you when your a kid. You also say that 'Sure lewis opened up a couple of other smaller cuts' as if it was of no significance and merely an afterthought. Also, whats the difference if lewis grazed him or caught him flush? He still cut him badly. Credit were credits due. He won fair and square. No point people (maybe not you personally)saying 'if this happened' or 'Vitali woulda KO'd him had it went another 2-3 rounds'. It didnt. The record books will show a Lewis victory regardless of its or buts

....not everyone is 6'7, his style has worked for him he's lead on the scorecards (not that he's needed them) in every single fight he has been in, I don't know what you would call it but I call it success.

I reference the Ali-Quarry fight, Ali cut Quarry and the fight got stopped HOWEVER Ali gave Quarry the rematch anyway.....Lennox didn't do that, why? Well because he knew what was waiting for him. Lennox was getting older, Vitali would be just as prepared for him had they set up a rematch, Vitali had the style, chin, speed, stamina, and power to not just beat Lennox but beat him up and if they both had extra time to prepare then Lennox would have been humiliated because there was no way he could have handled it at his advanced age

You idiots think just because Vitali got cut (for the most part by accident) that he got his ass handed to him, that's fucking ridiculous. I don't make it out like Vitali won, but #1 He was up on ALL scorecards #2 Lennox Lewis was the ONLY person happy that fight got stopped "look at the state of his face, look at the state of his face!"....Lennox's face wasn't messed up but he knew damn well he was a lucky S.O.B which is why there was no rematch and Lennox has stayed retired, it's easy to stay retired when you know there is a dude waiting to kick your ass as soon as you set foot in the ring again.

Yes Vitali got cut by Lewis, the cut over the eyelid was the one that stopped the fight and that cut was a FLUKE, and if you can't accept that then fine, but Lennox Lewis was one lucky bastard that night.

[DaxxKahn]

Sure Lennox opened up a couple other smaller cuts, but the main cut was due to Vitali leaning back (as he does) and Lennox's punch grazed Vitali's eyelid and that caused the main cut.

If klitschko was as good a boxer as what some guys would have us believe then he wouldnt be leaning right back to begin with. That gets taught to you when your a kid. You also say that 'Sure lewis opened up a couple of other smaller cuts' as if it was of no significance and merely an afterthought. Also, whats the difference if lewis grazed him or caught him flush? He still cut him badly. Credit were credits due. He won fair and square. No point people (maybe not you personally)saying 'if this happened' or 'Vitali woulda KO'd him had it went another 2-3 rounds'. It didnt. The record books will show a Lewis victory regardless of its or buts

....not everyone is 6'7, his style has worked for him he's lead on the scorecards (not that he's needed them) in every single fight he has been in, I don't know what you would call it but I call it success.

I reference the Ali-Quarry fight, Ali cut Quarry and the fight got stopped HOWEVER Ali gave Quarry the rematch anyway.....Lennox didn't do that, why? Well because he knew what was waiting for him. Lennox was getting older, Vitali would be just as prepared for him had they set up a rematch, Vitali had the style, chin, speed, stamina, and power to not just beat Lennox but beat him up and if they both had extra time to prepare then Lennox would have been humiliated because there was no way he could have handled it at his advanced age

You idiots think just because Vitali got cut (for the most part by accident) that he got his ass handed to him, that's fucking ridiculous. I don't make it out like Vitali won, but #1 He was up on ALL scorecards #2 Lennox Lewis was the ONLY person happy that fight got stopped "look at the state of his face, look at the state of his face!"....Lennox's face wasn't messed up but he knew damn well he was a lucky S.O.B which is why there was no rematch and Lennox has stayed retired, it's easy to stay retired when you know there is a dude waiting to kick your ass as soon as you set foot in the ring again.

Yes Vitali got cut by Lewis, the cut over the eyelid was the one that stopped the fight and that cut was a FLUKE, and if you can't accept that then fine, but Lennox Lewis was one lucky bastard that night.

Lyle I am usually (Most of the time the only one) who backs you on the Klitschko arguements but to say Lewis retired and would not come back because he was scared of Vitali is something I can not stomache.

Lewis retired because he knoew his time had come and it was the best thing to do so he would not end up another champion who "Should" have known when it was time to go.

Smart man who uses his head over his balls to make decisions.

Lewis feared no man in the ring and beat every fucking man with a chance he ever faced, he dominated the HW division....Because when he faced a man 6!!!! years younger then him and realized he was slipping did not mean Vitali was afraid of him...

Lennox won the last 2 rds of the fight so it was VITALI who was going down the tubes....

Luck on a cut is by accidental butt, glove laces etc not a punch, and Lennox honed in like a freaking scud missle on the cut once it did happen making Vitali a bloody mess and to be cut and have it opened to that extent is not lucky!!!

Yes Lennox was tired as hell but so was Vitali and Lennox came in under trained, so a rematch with Lennox in top shape things would have really favored Lennox even if Vitali took the fight on short notice.

Lennox did not fear Vitali in no way shape or form...

Sorry to light the match that burned down that fairy tale

[El Kabong]

If Lennox didn't fear him then why agree to a rematch only to back away?

Daxx, how fucking often does it happen that the thumb of a glove catches someones eyelid and rather than just poke the eye it rips the eyelid open? How many occasions have you seen a cut like that? I would guess not too often, sure you get the cuts above the eyelids from swelling, clash of heads, etc, but not from a grazing blow.

Yeah Lewis sure as hell did hone in on that cut, it was his saving grace and yes he opened up smaller cuts, but by no means was Vitali done.

[El Kabong]

...I will say this, in the 2nd round around 1:45 Lennox took one of the hardest right crosses I've ever seen him take (McCall and Rahman included) and he had to hang on for dear life and Vitali took some wicked uppercuts and had to do the same in a later round.

I think the stoppage was fine, but due to the FACT Vitali more than held his own he earned a rematch. It could have been ENORMOUS PPV $$$.

[DaxxKahn]

If Lennox didn't fear him then why agree to a rematch only to back away?

Daxx, how fucking often does it happen that the thumb of a glove catches someones eyelid and rather than just poke the eye it rips the eyelid open? How many occasions have you seen a cut like that? I would guess not too often, sure you get the cuts above the eyelids from swelling, clash of heads, etc, but not from a grazing blow.

Yeah Lewis sure as hell did hone in on that cut, it was his saving grace and yes he opened up smaller cuts, but by no means was Vitali done.

From what I remember both men were looking worse for the wear and that is leaving out the cut.

Yes I know what you mean about the glove grazing and causing a cut but NEVER have I seen a cut become so out of control from being started by a graze of the glove ...

In fucking truth is was a fight of nothing but power punches by 2 big big heavyweights that neither was prepared for, and I don't mean prepared for in the sense of training but the fact that neither had ever faced men of that sized with that skill level.

Yes Lennox fought Akinwande and Grant but we all know what they are.

It was something new for both men.

Vitali showed Lennox that he was an aging champion who was slipping and Lennox showed Vitali that heart and power alone isn't enough to win fights.

Vitali became a better fighter by 50% after that bout.

[johnmaff36]

If klitschko was as good a boxer as what some guys would have us believe then he wouldnt be leaning right back to begin with. That gets taught to you when your a kid. You also say that 'Sure lewis opened up a couple of other smaller cuts' as if it was of no significance and merely an afterthought. Also, whats the difference if lewis grazed him or caught him flush? He still cut him badly. Credit were credits due. He won fair and square. No point people (maybe not you personally)saying 'if this happened' or 'Vitali woulda KO'd him had it went another 2-3 rounds'. It didnt. The record books will show a Lewis victory regardless of its or buts

....not everyone is 6'7, his style has worked for him he's lead on the scorecards (not that he's needed them) in every single fight he has been in, I don't know what you would call it but I call it success.

I reference the Ali-Quarry fight, Ali cut Quarry and the fight got stopped HOWEVER Ali gave Quarry the rematch anyway.....Lennox didn't do that, why? Well because he knew what was waiting for him. Lennox was getting older, Vitali would be just as prepared for him had they set up a rematch, Vitali had the style, chin, speed, stamina, and power to not just beat Lennox but beat him up and if they both had extra time to prepare then Lennox would have been humiliated because there was no way he could have handled it at his advanced age

You idiots think just because Vitali got cut (for the most part by accident) that he got his ass handed to him, that's fucking ridiculous. I don't make it out like Vitali won, but #1 He was up on ALL scorecards #2 Lennox Lewis was the ONLY person happy that fight got stopped "look at the state of his face, look at the state of his face!"....Lennox's face wasn't messed up but he knew damn well he was a lucky S.O.B which is why there was no rematch and Lennox has stayed retired, it's easy to stay retired when you know there is a dude waiting to kick your ass as soon as you set foot in the ring again.

Yes Vitali got cut by Lewis, the cut over the eyelid was the one that stopped the fight and that cut was a FLUKE, and if you can't accept that then fine, but Lennox Lewis was one lucky bastard that night.

Lyle I am usually (Most of the time the only one) who backs you on the Klitschko arguements but to say Lewis retired and would not come back because he was scared of Vitali is something I can not stomache.

Lewis retired because he knoew his time had come and it was the best thing to do so he would not end up another champion who "Should" have known when it was time to go.

Smart man who uses his head over his balls to make decisions.

Lewis feared no man in the ring and beat every fucking man with a chance he ever faced, he dominated the HW division....Because when he faced a man 6!!!! years younger then him and realized he was slipping did not mean Vitali was afraid of him...

Lennox won the last 2 rds of the fight so it was VITALI who was going down the tubes....

Luck on a cut is by accidental butt, glove laces etc not a punch, and Lennox honed in like a freaking scud missle on the cut once it did happen making Vitali a bloody mess and to be cut and have it opened to that extent is not lucky!!!

Yes Lennox was tired as hell but so was Vitali and Lennox came in under trained, so a rematch with Lennox in top shape things would have really favored Lennox even if Vitali took the fight on short notice.

Lennox did not fear Vitali in no way shape or form...

Sorry to light the match that burned down that fairy tale

100% correct. Couldnt have put it better myself. I too would agree with quite a few of lyles thoughts but this blinkered attitude towards Klitschko is getting a bit much.

[El Kabong]

You guys can argue all you want but the FACT is that Vitali was winning the fight, that is a FACT....don't tell me about "Vitali's face was bleeding, there were big cuts, he was gassing out" blah blah blah...58-56, 58-56, 58-56....get that through your head

[ninjaspy3]

You guys can argue all you want but the FACT is that Vitali was winning the fight, that is a FACT....don't tell me about "Vitali's face was bleeding, there were big cuts, he was gassing out" blah blah blah...58-56, 58-56, 58-56....get that through your head

I have been following this forum for a while but finally decided to register because of this thread, and Lyle here. I keep reading valid points on both sides of this discussion but here is the part I have a problem with. As you just said Lyle, Vitali was winning the fight by the score cards, however, as several people have brought up, Lennox had won the last 2 rounds before the fight was stopped. The likely hood is that the scale would have tipped in Lennox's favor the way things were going. But all speculation aside, Lennox won. Some people believe there should have been a rematch but just because they believe that doesn't mean it is truth. What did Lennox have to gain from a rematch? Like people have said, he was getting older and maybe his time was up. So he went out on a positive note. Just because you and others would like to see Lennox beaten, that is your view, but if Lennox believed he would not be able to keep up the performance of his past then it is not logical at all to take a rematch that would only benefit the up and coming Vitali, and those of you who just wanted to see Lennox lose to Vitali to prove some kind of point.

[BIG H]

You guys can argue all you want but the FACT is that Vitali was winning the fight, that is a FACT....don't tell me about "Vitali's face was bleeding, there were big cuts, he was gassing out" blah blah blah...58-56, 58-56, 58-56....get that through your head

Yep, having thre old farts at ringside saying you were 2 points ahead at the half way stage of a fight is far more impressive than giving a guy 50 stitches and leaving him looking like a bomb blast victim

[sumkalambay]

yeh vitali was winning.

lennox lewis showed some atrocious technique in this fight. truly terrible stuff. he's not on mike tyson's level skill-wise, nor bowe's

[BIG H]

yeh vitali was winning.

lennox lewis showed some atrocious technique in this fight. truly terrible stuff. he's not on mike tyson's level skill-wise, nor bowe's

Have a word with yourself mate

[johnmaff36]

yeh vitali was winning.

lennox lewis showed some atrocious technique in this fight. truly terrible stuff. he's not on mike tyson's level skill-wise, nor bowe's

yeah. Both of who were KO'd or stopped by lewis

[Fenster]

You guys can argue all you want but the FACT is that Vitali was winning the fight, that is a FACT....don't tell me about "Vitali's face was bleeding, there were big cuts, he was gassing out" blah blah blah...58-56, 58-56, 58-56....get that through your head

Yep, having thre old farts at ringside saying you were 2 points ahead at the half way stage of a fight is far more impressive than giving a guy 50 stitches and leaving him looking like a bomb blast victim

Lyle you can argue all you want but the FACT is that Vitali LOST the fight, that is a FACT....don't tell me about "Vitali's face was bleeding, there were big cuts, he was gassing out" blah blah blah... HE LOST!!!....get that through your head.

[El Kabong]

Lyle you can argue all you want but the FACT is that Vitali LOST the fight, that is a FACT....don't tell me about "Vitali's face was bleeding, there were big cuts, he was gassing out" blah blah blah... HE LOST!!!....get that through your head.

....I'm not arguing the outcome of the fight, I'm arguing that there should have been a rematch and I based my claim on #1 The score cards #2 The freakish turn of events that caused the cut and #3 the PRECEDENT of Ali-Quarry.

Lyle 1 - the rest of you losers 0

[johnmaff36]

You guys can argue all you want but the FACT is that Vitali was winning the fight, that is a FACT....don't tell me about "Vitali's face was bleeding, there were big cuts, he was gassing out" blah blah blah...58-56, 58-56, 58-56....get that through your head

correct me if im wrong but wasnt it a 12 round fight. So what if vitali was 2pts up, 1 knockdown woulda put paid to that. Points mean NOTHING until the bell for the end of the fight. We all have our opinions but for once just accept the outcome