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Now that PACQUAIO has AGREED TO ALL KINDS OF TESTS, what will Gayweather do now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dizaster
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
With all the 'roids talk, you avoided being attacked for having Floyd number 1 in the first place...
So, VD being a big pacfan that you are, are you doing another evaluation on Pac. LOL;D
Mayweather is afraid of the PAC. FACT.
Since when has Manny agreed to Olympic style random blood testing?Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeNow that PACQUAIO has AGREED TO ALL KINDS OF TESTS, what will Gayweather do now?Quote:
Originally Posted by DizasterQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
With all the 'roids talk, you avoided being attacked for having Floyd number 1 in the first place...
So, VD being a big pacfan that you are, are you doing another evaluation on Pac. LOL;D
Mayweather is afraid of the PAC. FACT.
I've watched it from a Philippine TV. Manny is saying that he will undergo any test.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesSince when has Manny agreed to Olympic style random blood testing?Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeNow that PACQUAIO has AGREED TO ALL KINDS OF TESTS, what will Gayweather do now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dizaster
So, VD being a big pacfan that you are, are you doing another evaluation on Pac. LOL;D
Mayweather is afraid of the PAC. FACT.
I've watched it from a Philippine TV. Manny is saying that he will undergo any test.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by milesSince when has Manny agreed to Olympic style random blood testing?Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeNow that PACQUAIO has AGREED TO ALL KINDS OF TESTS, what will Gayweather do now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dizaster
So, VD being a big pacfan that you are, are you doing another evaluation on Pac. LOL;D
Mayweather is afraid of the PAC. FACT.
So he says he will undergo the Olympic style drug testing? Is that correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeI've watched it from a Philippine TV. Manny is saying that he will undergo any test.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by milesSince when has Manny agreed to Olympic style random blood testing?Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
Any source bruce?
With the legal action now taking place and the fight seemingly off, it is a rather innapropriate time to suddenly be announcing that he is willing to undergo any form of testing.
Bruce just dreamed that, it's a normal occurrence. It never actually happened in reality.
He says he'll undergo scheduled tests, he isn't going to do random testing though. He'll basically agree to any amount of tests apart from ones that actually might catch him cheating.
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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
He agreed to a random drug testings ( not olympic style) as long as it's not too close on fight night (e.g. 2 days before).
Isn't it good enough? Pac would have no chance of using PEDs with that kind of testing. I just hope that Miles is really knowledgeable about PEDS detection and that he's not getting this crazy ideas from the Internet and then claim knowledge on it as what haters are doing now.
It seems that almost everybody here are now an authority on PEDS just to back their claim that Pac is juicing. Whew.
Where does it say he's agreed to random testing?Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
He agreed to a random drug testings ( not olympic style) as long as it's not too close on fight night (e.g. 2 days before).
Isn't it good enough? Pac would have no chance of using PEDs with that kind of testing. I just hope that Miles is really knowledgeable about PEDS detection and that he's not getting this crazy ideas from the Internet and then claim knowledge on it as what haters are doing now.
It seems that almost everybody here are now an authority on PEDS just to back their claim that Pac is juicing. Whew.
I have written about PED's and how hard it is to detect them in previous threads. The drugs are ahead of the testing...the only way you can prove 100% an athlete is clean is through muscle biopsy...which i don't see any athlete or sports body agreeing to. Also, people know how to "cycle" off and on drugs. To truly show an athlete is clean, would require regular and much more thorough testing. It wouldn't shock me if Manny and many other "superstar" athletes are on something (including Floyd). But until the testing becomes much more stringent and up to date, we will never know. That being said, Pac's attitude towards blood testing makes him look particularly suspicious. Bottom line, PED's are a reality in sports...to think otherwise is just sticking your head in the sand.
How can you ever put Shane on the list? It has been proven Shane took steroids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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haha after reading the first sentence I already knew this was full with bull shit.Quote:
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Outstanding thread, if I do say so myself. Violent D never been hesitant to criticize his favorites. Pacquiao is no exception. It actually pained me to make this thread. But it had to be done
So Violent Demise, after the collapse of the last Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiation, what is your "Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao"?
The Re-Re-Evaluation of Pacquiao is a disappointing one The man ruined one of the most anticipated fights ever in Boxing with his refusal to test.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner
A clown in street clothes is still a clown... Oh! the Mayweathers!
This is sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Yes it is. To think this highly anticipated fight ain't happening cuz of missed drug tests is a black eye for boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainThis is sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I see your point completly. In regards to being a massive fan. That is to say of his boxing talent in the ring , as a boxing fan, I am too; but I am no fan of his hand picked approach to securing wins by other means.
Theres also no excuse available to take boxing down a notch and rip off all fans of the greatest sport what they as the financial supporters deserve.
Did I miss something here? I thought the second Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiation collapsed because one of them wanted to go on vacation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThe Re-Re-Evaluation of Pacquiao is a disappointing one The man ruined one of the most anticipated fights ever in Boxing with his refusal to test.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner
http://tinyurl.com/2acwjcrQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerDid I miss something here? I thought the second Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiation collapsed because one of them wanted to go on vacation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThe Re-Re-Evaluation of Pacquiao is a disappointing one The man ruined one of the most anticipated fights ever in Boxing with his refusal to test.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
This is ridiculous. You make it sound like you saw him stick a needle labled steroids in his arm. You dont live with Pacquiao, train with him, eat with him ect... Your painting a label over him as fact and you know nothing more than anyone else about his personal life. The fact that Manny doesnt want to take random blood testing prooves nothing. Who likes getting a big gauge needle stuck in their arm when they dont have to anyways? Before you paint Manny Pacquiao as a PED using cheater you need to get some proof because your instincts are useless as wet toilet paper.:rolleyes:
Fuck me, what happened to VD?
Pac fan? What's going on fella? This is weired.
He might have witnessed Pac used peds. After all he was a massive Pacquiao fan. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
This is ridiculous. You make it sound like you saw him stick a needle labled steroids in his arm. You dont live with Pacquiao, train with him, eat with him ect... Your painting a label over him as fact and you know nothing more than anyone else about his personal life. The fact that Manny doesnt want to take random blood testing prooves nothing. Who likes getting a big gauge needle stuck in their arm when they dont have to anyways? Before you paint Manny Pacquiao as a PED using cheater you need to get some proof because your instincts are useless as wet toilet paper.:rolleyes:
Keyword there is second. There would never of been a second anything if Pac would of took the offer when it was originally proposed. But he didn't. He decided to hold out for.........nothing. The fucking idiot excepted the same original offer. So really what was the point of those 8 months in between? It wasn't for more money. Or some other perk. It was for one reason. And one reason only. To clean the illegal, cheating drugs out of his system.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerDid I miss something here? I thought the second Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiation collapsed because one of them wanted to go on vacation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThe Re-Re-Evaluation of Pacquiao is a disappointing one The man ruined one of the most anticipated fights ever in Boxing with his refusal to test.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner
That's cuz it is a fact. It's simple common sense. What do you guys have against thinking? I don't doubt you ain't the brightest around. But you can't be this stupid. Think. That's all I ask of you. Just think. The man doesn't take the fight cuz he dislikes big gauge needles in his arm (so he says). Dislike is so much he leaves 40 million on the table. But 8 months later all of a sudden he's ok with it. No problem at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
This is ridiculous. You make it sound like you saw him stick a needle labled steroids in his arm. You dont live with Pacquiao, train with him, eat with him ect... Your painting a label over him as fact and you know nothing more than anyone else about his personal life. The fact that Manny doesnt want to take random blood testing prooves nothing. Who likes getting a big gauge needle stuck in their arm when they dont have to anyways? Before you paint Manny Pacquiao as a PED using cheater you need to get some proof because your instincts are useless as wet toilet paper.:rolleyes:
when he finds out he isnt in your personal p4p rankings anymore i think he will be devastatedQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
it might bring an end to his carear
Look at the thread start date. He's been aware he's no longer on my list. It ruined his day when he found outQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44when he finds out he isnt in your personal p4p rankings anymore i think he will be devastatedQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
it might bring an end to his carear
im supprised he still decided to carry on fightingQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseLook at the thread start date. He's been aware he's no longer on my list. It ruined his day when he found outQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44when he finds out he isnt in your personal p4p rankings anymore i think he will be devastatedQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
it might bring an end to his carear
do you still think hes a roider?
Then, I don't see any reason for Mayweather to go on vacation because this will be easy money. Right? Not unless Floyd thinks Manny is still as good 'without the roids'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseKeyword there is second. There would never of been a second anything if Pac would of took the offer when it was originally proposed. But he didn't. He decided to hold out for.........nothing. The fucking idiot excepted the same original offer. So really what was the point of those 8 months in between? It wasn't for more money. Or some other perk. It was for one reason. And one reason only. To clean the illegal, cheating drugs out of his system.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerDid I miss something here? I thought the second Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiation collapsed because one of them wanted to go on vacation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThe Re-Re-Evaluation of Pacquiao is a disappointing one The man ruined one of the most anticipated fights ever in Boxing with his refusal to test.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner
That's cuz it is a fact. It's simple common sense. What do you guys have against thinking? I don't doubt you ain't the brightest around. But you can't be this stupid. Think. That's all I ask of you. Just think. The man doesn't take the fight cuz he dislikes big gauge needles in his arm (so he says). Dislike is so much he leaves 40 million on the table. But 8 months later all of a sudden he's ok with it. No problem at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
This is ridiculous. You make it sound like you saw him stick a needle labled steroids in his arm. You dont live with Pacquiao, train with him, eat with him ect... Your painting a label over him as fact and you know nothing more than anyone else about his personal life. The fact that Manny doesnt want to take random blood testing prooves nothing. Who likes getting a big gauge needle stuck in their arm when they dont have to anyways? Before you paint Manny Pacquiao as a PED using cheater you need to get some proof because your instincts are useless as wet toilet paper.:rolleyes:
Never once claimed Mayweather was blameless in this fight not happening. He deserves 20% of the blame for this fiasco. Even though I have my doubts Pacquiao actually agreed to the testing the second time around, Mayweather should of publicly called his bluff and took the fight. I understand Mayweather maybe not wanting to agree at that particular moment due to his uncle/trainer legal troubles. And his uncertainty and potential absence. But Mayweather speaks to much nonsense for him to be able to get a full pass. So 20% of the blame is his. The other 80% is all PacdruggieQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerThen, I don't see any reason for Mayweather to go on vacation because this will be easy money. Right? Not unless Floyd thinks Manny is still as good 'without the roids'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseKeyword there is second. There would never of been a second anything if Pac would of took the offer when it was originally proposed. But he didn't. He decided to hold out for.........nothing. The fucking idiot excepted the same original offer. So really what was the point of those 8 months in between? It wasn't for more money. Or some other perk. It was for one reason. And one reason only. To clean the illegal, cheating drugs out of his system.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerDid I miss something here? I thought the second Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiation collapsed because one of them wanted to go on vacation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThe Re-Re-Evaluation of Pacquiao is a disappointing one The man ruined one of the most anticipated fights ever in Boxing with his refusal to test.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner
That's cuz it is a fact. It's simple common sense. What do you guys have against thinking? I don't doubt you ain't the brightest around. But you can't be this stupid. Think. That's all I ask of you. Just think. The man doesn't take the fight cuz he dislikes big gauge needles in his arm (so he says). Dislike is so much he leaves 40 million on the table. But 8 months later all of a sudden he's ok with it. No problem at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
This is ridiculous. You make it sound like you saw him stick a needle labled steroids in his arm. You dont live with Pacquiao, train with him, eat with him ect... Your painting a label over him as fact and you know nothing more than anyone else about his personal life. The fact that Manny doesnt want to take random blood testing prooves nothing. Who likes getting a big gauge needle stuck in their arm when they dont have to anyways? Before you paint Manny Pacquiao as a PED using cheater you need to get some proof because your instincts are useless as wet toilet paper.:rolleyes:
1998
19 Yr old Pacquiao viciously kayoed lineal champion Chatchai Sasakul.
* Massive accomplishment specially with just the left hand. NO suspicion of PEDS
2001
Totally destroyed Ledwabba on a one sided beating
*Another Great accomplishment with just 2 weeks notice and Ledwabba regarded as the best of the division. NO suspicion of PEDS
2003
Pac annihilated Former champion Jorge Julio in 2 rounds and undefeated Lucero in 3. Barrera didnt mind this en route to absorbing a beating. Superb feat. NO suspicion of PEDS
2006
TKO'd Erik Morales twice. Morales
Good accomplishment as of now. but it was HUGE during that time. NO suspicion of PEDS
2008
SD'd Marquez and shut down Diaz. Very good accomplishment considering jmm is a nightmare stylistically plus DLH should have killed Pacquiao in a Circus. Good accomplisment now BUT he should have not came out alive againts DLH. NO suspicion of PEDS
* Some hints from Sr. though but not directly
2009
Brutally kayoed Hatton in 2. Great accomplishment since Hatton had 0 loss at 140. Hatton's Trainer Floyd Sr. would start the allegation after this
TKO'd Miguel Cotto in 11. Big accomplishment.
Paulie Malinaggi who was TKO's by Hatton and Cotto. supported Floyd Sr's claim that Pac's feat is impossible without cheating.
*His prediction was Cotto before the fight and Pacquiao should be the greatest fighter of all time if he beats Cotto.
-- Pacquiao has 2 KO losses and UD loss to Morales to sum his careera at this point.
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Sorry if these bored you but. Pac didnt have problems securing a fight before Floyd.
PED's use came out nowhere or i mean Sr and Paulie's mouth, Both have conflicting interest.
Freakin Floyd sr man. Envy is a sad sad thing aint it? Tsk! tsk!Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_lang
Btw. I'm a massive JMM fan. But I never suspected him as a piss-o-holic until I saw this...
http://i28.tinypic.com/16m57jn.gif
;D
...kiddin'.
Geez, this issue's still not yet resolved. It's been couple years already, right. I come here once in a long while and everytime I do, the issues still been argued, it must be some sort of a record. The issue is so easy to resolve. Packy ducked drugged test, and Little Floyd ducked Pac, simple as that...
Just passing by, babes...;)
I think you are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
Second place just doesnt cut it in boxing and thats what the outcome for one of them will be at the end of the day. At the moment its still 50/50 in many fans minds even with Pacs losses. Floyd has more to loose in that respect. If either wanted the fight, wanted to prove themselves wholeheartedly it would be made somehow.
If often thought even when two fighters are arguing over a purse why doesnt one say publicly "Ok I agree to the 60/40 but we make it 60 /40 purse to the winner! Thats saying in real terms, Ok Champ :) I agree, but put your corners money where your mouth is, you say you are better now you have the chance to prove it and back it up.