The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao

[Andre]

I see your point completly. In regards to being a massive fan. That is to say of his boxing talent in the ring , as a boxing fan, I am too; but I am no fan of his hand picked approach to securing wins by other means.
Theres also no excuse available to take boxing down a notch and rip off all fans of the greatest sport what they as the financial supporters deserve.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

So Violent Demise, after the collapse of the last Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiation, what is your "Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao"?

The Re-Re-Evaluation of Pacquiao is a disappointing one The man ruined one of the most anticipated fights ever in Boxing with his refusal to test.

Did I miss something here? I thought the second Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiation collapsed because one of them wanted to go on vacation.

[:::PSL:::]

So Violent Demise, after the collapse of the last Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiation, what is your "Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao"?

The Re-Re-Evaluation of Pacquiao is a disappointing one The man ruined one of the most anticipated fights ever in Boxing with his refusal to test.

Did I miss something here? I thought the second Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiation collapsed because one of them wanted to go on vacation.

[levi#1BoxingFan]

I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto

I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.

This is ridiculous. You make it sound like you saw him stick a needle labled steroids in his arm. You dont live with Pacquiao, train with him, eat with him ect... Your painting a label over him as fact and you know nothing more than anyone else about his personal life. The fact that Manny doesnt want to take random blood testing prooves nothing. Who likes getting a big gauge needle stuck in their arm when they dont have to anyways? Before you paint Manny Pacquiao as a PED using cheater you need to get some proof because your instincts are useless as wet toilet paper.

[Kel]

Fuck me, what happened to VD?

Pac fan? What's going on fella? This is weired.

[:::PSL:::]

I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto

I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.

This is ridiculous. You make it sound like you saw him stick a needle labled steroids in his arm. You dont live with Pacquiao, train with him, eat with him ect... Your painting a label over him as fact and you know nothing more than anyone else about his personal life. The fact that Manny doesnt want to take random blood testing prooves nothing. Who likes getting a big gauge needle stuck in their arm when they dont have to anyways? Before you paint Manny Pacquiao as a PED using cheater you need to get some proof because your instincts are useless as wet toilet paper.

He might have witnessed Pac used peds. After all he was a massive Pacquiao fan.

[Violent Demise]

So Violent Demise, after the collapse of the last Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiation, what is your "Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao"?

The Re-Re-Evaluation of Pacquiao is a disappointing one The man ruined one of the most anticipated fights ever in Boxing with his refusal to test.

Did I miss something here? I thought the second Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiation collapsed because one of them wanted to go on vacation.

Keyword there is second. There would never of been a second anything if Pac would of took the offer when it was originally proposed. But he didn't. He decided to hold out for.........nothing. The fucking idiot excepted the same original offer. So really what was the point of those 8 months in between? It wasn't for more money. Or some other perk. It was for one reason. And one reason only. To clean the illegal, cheating drugs out of his system.

I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto

I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.

This is ridiculous. You make it sound like you saw him stick a needle labled steroids in his arm. You dont live with Pacquiao, train with him, eat with him ect... Your painting a label over him as fact and you know nothing more than anyone else about his personal life. The fact that Manny doesnt want to take random blood testing prooves nothing. Who likes getting a big gauge needle stuck in their arm when they dont have to anyways? Before you paint Manny Pacquiao as a PED using cheater you need to get some proof because your instincts are useless as wet toilet paper.

That's cuz it is a fact. It's simple common sense. What do you guys have against thinking? I don't doubt you ain't the brightest around. But you can't be this stupid. Think. That's all I ask of you. Just think. The man doesn't take the fight cuz he dislikes big gauge needles in his arm (so he says). Dislike is so much he leaves 40 million on the table. But 8 months later all of a sudden he's ok with it. No problem at all.

[erics44]

I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto

I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.

when he finds out he isnt in your personal p4p rankings anymore i think he will be devastated

it might bring an end to his carear

[Violent Demise]

I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto

I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.

when he finds out he isnt in your personal p4p rankings anymore i think he will be devastated

it might bring an end to his carear

Look at the thread start date. He's been aware he's no longer on my list. It ruined his day when he found out

[erics44]

I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto

I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.

when he finds out he isnt in your personal p4p rankings anymore i think he will be devastated

it might bring an end to his carear

Look at the thread start date. He's been aware he's no longer on my list. It ruined his day when he found out

im supprised he still decided to carry on fighting

do you still think hes a roider?

[InTheNeutralCorner]

So Violent Demise, after the collapse of the last Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiation, what is your "Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao"?

The Re-Re-Evaluation of Pacquiao is a disappointing one The man ruined one of the most anticipated fights ever in Boxing with his refusal to test.

Did I miss something here? I thought the second Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiation collapsed because one of them wanted to go on vacation.

Keyword there is second. There would never of been a second anything if Pac would of took the offer when it was originally proposed. But he didn't. He decided to hold out for.........nothing. The fucking idiot excepted the same original offer. So really what was the point of those 8 months in between? It wasn't for more money. Or some other perk. It was for one reason. And one reason only. To clean the illegal, cheating drugs out of his system.

I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto

I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.

This is ridiculous. You make it sound like you saw him stick a needle labled steroids in his arm. You dont live with Pacquiao, train with him, eat with him ect... Your painting a label over him as fact and you know nothing more than anyone else about his personal life. The fact that Manny doesnt want to take random blood testing prooves nothing. Who likes getting a big gauge needle stuck in their arm when they dont have to anyways? Before you paint Manny Pacquiao as a PED using cheater you need to get some proof because your instincts are useless as wet toilet paper.

That's cuz it is a fact. It's simple common sense. What do you guys have against thinking? I don't doubt you ain't the brightest around. But you can't be this stupid. Think. That's all I ask of you. Just think. The man doesn't take the fight cuz he dislikes big gauge needles in his arm (so he says). Dislike is so much he leaves 40 million on the table. But 8 months later all of a sudden he's ok with it. No problem at all.

Then, I don't see any reason for Mayweather to go on vacation because this will be easy money. Right? Not unless Floyd thinks Manny is still as good 'without the roids'.

[Violent Demise]

So Violent Demise, after the collapse of the last Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiation, what is your "Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao"?

The Re-Re-Evaluation of Pacquiao is a disappointing one The man ruined one of the most anticipated fights ever in Boxing with his refusal to test.

Did I miss something here? I thought the second Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiation collapsed because one of them wanted to go on vacation.

Keyword there is second. There would never of been a second anything if Pac would of took the offer when it was originally proposed. But he didn't. He decided to hold out for.........nothing. The fucking idiot excepted the same original offer. So really what was the point of those 8 months in between? It wasn't for more money. Or some other perk. It was for one reason. And one reason only. To clean the illegal, cheating drugs out of his system.

I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto

I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.

This is ridiculous. You make it sound like you saw him stick a needle labled steroids in his arm. You dont live with Pacquiao, train with him, eat with him ect... Your painting a label over him as fact and you know nothing more than anyone else about his personal life. The fact that Manny doesnt want to take random blood testing prooves nothing. Who likes getting a big gauge needle stuck in their arm when they dont have to anyways? Before you paint Manny Pacquiao as a PED using cheater you need to get some proof because your instincts are useless as wet toilet paper.

That's cuz it is a fact. It's simple common sense. What do you guys have against thinking? I don't doubt you ain't the brightest around. But you can't be this stupid. Think. That's all I ask of you. Just think. The man doesn't take the fight cuz he dislikes big gauge needles in his arm (so he says). Dislike is so much he leaves 40 million on the table. But 8 months later all of a sudden he's ok with it. No problem at all.

Then, I don't see any reason for Mayweather to go on vacation because this will be easy money. Right? Not unless Floyd thinks Manny is still as good 'without the roids'.

Never once claimed Mayweather was blameless in this fight not happening. He deserves 20% of the blame for this fiasco. Even though I have my doubts Pacquiao actually agreed to the testing the second time around, Mayweather should of publicly called his bluff and took the fight. I understand Mayweather maybe not wanting to agree at that particular moment due to his uncle/trainer legal troubles. And his uncertainty and potential absence. But Mayweather speaks to much nonsense for him to be able to get a full pass. So 20% of the blame is his. The other 80% is all Pacdruggie

[miron_lang]

1998
19 Yr old Pacquiao viciously kayoed lineal champion Chatchai Sasakul.
* Massive accomplishment specially with just the left hand. NO suspicion of PEDS

2001

Totally destroyed Ledwabba on a one sided beating
*Another Great accomplishment with just 2 weeks notice and Ledwabba regarded as the best of the division. NO suspicion of PEDS

2003

Pac annihilated Former champion Jorge Julio in 2 rounds and undefeated Lucero in 3. Barrera didnt mind this en route to absorbing a beating. Superb feat. NO suspicion of PEDS


2006

TKO'd Erik Morales twice. Morales
Good accomplishment as of now. but it was HUGE during that time. NO suspicion of PEDS


2008

SD'd Marquez and shut down Diaz. Very good accomplishment considering jmm is a nightmare stylistically plus DLH should have killed Pacquiao in a Circus. Good accomplisment now BUT he should have not came out alive againts DLH. NO suspicion of PEDS
* Some hints from Sr. though but not directly

2009

Brutally kayoed Hatton in 2. Great accomplishment since Hatton had 0 loss at 140. Hatton's Trainer Floyd Sr. would start the allegation after this


TKO'd Miguel Cotto in 11. Big accomplishment.

Paulie Malinaggi who was TKO's by Hatton and Cotto. supported Floyd Sr's claim that Pac's feat is impossible without cheating.

*His prediction was Cotto before the fight and Pacquiao should be the greatest fighter of all time if he beats Cotto.


-- Pacquiao has 2 KO losses and UD loss to Morales to sum his careera at this point.


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Sorry if these bored you but. Pac didnt have problems securing a fight before Floyd.

PED's use came out nowhere or i mean Sr and Paulie's mouth, Both have conflicting interest.

[:::PSL:::]

1998
19 Yr old Pacquiao viciously kayoed lineal champion Chatchai Sasakul.
* Massive accomplishment specially with just the left hand. NO suspicion of PEDS

2001

Totally destroyed Ledwabba on a one sided beating
*Another Great accomplishment with just 2 weeks notice and Ledwabba regarded as the best of the division. NO suspicion of PEDS

2003

Pac annihilated Former champion Jorge Julio in 2 rounds and undefeated Lucero in 3. Barrera didnt mind this en route to absorbing a beating. Superb feat. NO suspicion of PEDS


2006

TKO'd Erik Morales twice. Morales
Good accomplishment as of now. but it was HUGE during that time. NO suspicion of PEDS


2008

SD'd Marquez and shut down Diaz. Very good accomplishment considering jmm is a nightmare stylistically plus DLH should have killed Pacquiao in a Circus. Good accomplisment now BUT he should have not came out alive againts DLH. NO suspicion of PEDS
* Some hints from Sr. though but not directly

2009

Brutally kayoed Hatton in 2. Great accomplishment since Hatton had 0 loss at 140. Hatton's Trainer Floyd Sr. would start the allegation after this


TKO'd Miguel Cotto in 11. Big accomplishment.

Paulie Malinaggi who was TKO's by Hatton and Cotto. supported Floyd Sr's claim that Pac's feat is impossible without cheating.

*His prediction was Cotto before the fight and Pacquiao should be the greatest fighter of all time if he beats Cotto.


-- Pacquiao has 2 KO losses and UD loss to Morales to sum his careera at this point.


********

Sorry if these bored you but. Pac didnt have problems securing a fight before Floyd.

PED's use came out nowhere or i mean Sr and Paulie's mouth, Both have conflicting interest.

Freakin Floyd sr man. Envy is a sad sad thing aint it? Tsk! tsk!

Btw. I'm a massive JMM fan. But I never suspected him as a piss-o-holic until I saw this...













...kiddin'.

[pacfan]

Geez, this issue's still not yet resolved. It's been couple years already, right. I come here once in a long while and everytime I do, the issues still been argued, it must be some sort of a record. The issue is so easy to resolve. Packy ducked drugged test, and Little Floyd ducked Pac, simple as that...

Just passing by, babes...