You heard it here first, Mosley will beat Floyd

Floyd WILL DOMINATE Shane in fact it won't even be competitive. Mayweather has a fabulous jab which Shane will not be able to avoid (watch Mosley Forrest or Mosley Wright). Floyd is way too defensively sound to get hit by a guy who throws LOOPING punches. Shane has poor defense where his main strategy is to shove opponents (watch the Margarito fight). Shane has NO head movement. Floyd is faster than Shane. Shane is 39 years old. Anyone who's picking Shane is pretty much saying well he hits HARD so hell knock Maywetaher out you have to HIT MAYWEATHER to knock him out. I'll be bold enough to say it'll be as ONE SIDED as the Marquez fight.

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Mosley ain't gonna do shit. Maybe 10 years ago when he was younger, faster, and stronger, then yeah. Not to mentioned his special vitamins that he got from Victor Conte.

I'll be shocked if Mosley wins more than 3 rounds.

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Oscar won 4 rounds.

So prepare to be shocked.

Mosley will lose because.
He's old: fits the criteria of "pretty boy's hit list." That's what my nigga pbf like! Let's roll!
He's right handed so he will fall for the shoulder roll.
He might be too preoccupied thinking pac ahead of pbf. The excitement of facing pac in the future will overtake the boredom of fighting may at the present.

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Mosley will lose because.
He's old: fits the criteria of "pretty boy's hit list." That's what my nigga pbf like! Let's roll!
He's right handed so he will fall for the shoulder roll.
He might be too preoccupied thinking pac ahead of pbf. The excitement of facing pac in the future will overtake the boredom of fighting may at the present.

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That's inaccurate as Shane has specifically been calling out PBF before pac solidified himself as a real WW...

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Floyd WILL DOMINATE Shane in fact it won't even be competitive. Mayweather has a fabulous jab which Shane will not be able to avoid (watch Mosley Forrest or Mosley Wright). Floyd is way too defensively sound to get hit by a guy who throws LOOPING punches. Shane has poor defense where his main strategy is to shove opponents (watch the Margarito fight). Shane has NO head movement. Floyd is faster than Shane. Shane is 39 years old. Anyone who's picking Shane is pretty much saying well he hits HARD so hell knock Maywetaher out you have to HIT MAYWEATHER to knock him out. I'll be bold enough to say it'll be as ONE SIDED as the Marquez fight.

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I definitely see your point T. Mosley needs to keep his shots straight. I hate the looping right hand he puts so much faith in... It seldom works these days... Even when he 'hides' it behind a jab.

The right hand for Shane is just icing on the cake, the punches he HAS to land are #1 The Jab #2 The left hook. Floyd has trouble vs the jab, hell everyone has trouble vs a good jab, and if Shane can land ANY left hooks he'll do big damage.

Shane is also going to need to catch Floyd when PBF finally tries to throw anything back which is also why the jab is important as it should get Floyd to try and counter once he gets tagged with it enough.

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rjjtszyu, sure I'll accept that bet.

All I can say is STYLES MAKE FIGHTS and if Floyd had trouble with De la Hoya and he couldn't stop Zab Judah or Marquez then he's not going to hurt Shane. Shane has fast hands, he's strong, and he's got a great chin. I just don't thin Floyd has the style to bother Shane, he's not tall, he doesn't use a conventional 1-2, his defense and counterpunching are great but that alone won't get him a win over Shane.

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Good stuff Lyle. One thing though.... Cotto is not particuarly tall and his boxing skills are nowhere near Floyds but he clearly outboxed him. I never said he'd hurt Shane just that he'd beat him and beat him clearly.

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rjjtszyu, sure I'll accept that bet.

All I can say is STYLES MAKE FIGHTS and if Floyd had trouble with De la Hoya and he couldn't stop Zab Judah or Marquez then he's not going to hurt Shane. Shane has fast hands, he's strong, and he's got a great chin. I just don't thin Floyd has the style to bother Shane, he's not tall, he doesn't use a conventional 1-2, his defense and counterpunching are great but that alone won't get him a win over Shane.

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Good stuff Lyle. One thing though.... Cotto is not particuarly tall and his boxing skills are nowhere near Floyds but he clearly outboxed him. I never said he'd hurt Shane just that he'd beat him and beat him clearly.

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The problem there is Cotto was still an unknown quantity. Shane didn't know that Cotto could back up and move the way he did. He underestimated Cotto big time.

And to be honest, he overestimated him too. He tried to be a little too cute to begin with. Cotto needs to be steam rolled to be beat. We know that know.

In relevance to Floyd. I (as pretty much everyone else) know everything Floyd has to offer... Every little trick in the book has been seen. In theory, it should be easier to formulate AND execute a game plan against Floyd based on what Floyd does fight after fight after fight.

He's style is VERY regimented. (i hope that's the right word to use ??? )

Don't know about any left hooks getting through :-\

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In relevance to Floyd. I (as pretty much everyone else) know everything Floyd has to offer... Every little trick in the book has been seen. In theory, it should be easier to formulate AND execute a game plan against Floyd based on what Floyd does fight after fight after fight.

He's style is VERY regimented. (i hope that's the right word to use ??? )

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Alas, many fighters have thought the same thing and none have them have been able to do anything about it. You make it sound like the way Floyd fights is simple and just about anybody should be able to break him down.

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rjjtszyu, sure I'll accept that bet.

All I can say is STYLES MAKE FIGHTS and if Floyd had trouble with De la Hoya and he couldn't stop Zab Judah or Marquez then he's not going to hurt Shane. Shane has fast hands, he's strong, and he's got a great chin. I just don't thin Floyd has the style to bother Shane, he's not tall, he doesn't use a conventional 1-2, his defense and counterpunching are great but that alone won't get him a win over Shane.

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DLH could have beaten him at some point but he did drop the jab and slowed down in the late rounds. Shane's jab won't stop, especially with Nazeem and he won't stop neither in the late rounds. Personally, I think peoples are counting Mosley out way too fast.

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In relevance to Floyd. I (as pretty much everyone else) know everything Floyd has to offer... Every little trick in the book has been seen. In theory, it should be easier to formulate AND execute a game plan against Floyd based on what Floyd does fight after fight after fight.

He's style is VERY regimented. (i hope that's the right word to use ??? )

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Alas, many fighters have thought the same thing and none have them have been able to do anything about it. You make it sound like the way Floyd fights is simple and just about anybody should be able to break him down.

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I dunno. I don't mean to come across like I have no respect for Floyd as a fighter. I just know him inside out.

It must be just me ???

In his own unique way, he does things very much by 'the book'. Move-by-move... I can, quite literally, call his offensive as it unfolds.

Where he excels is in his reactions. That's his little superhuman trait that makes things so damn unbeatable.

So many fighters have fell in to the trap of getting him on the ropes, or getting close and then firing away with clubbing wide shots... I beg why?

Mosley, I hope, can put the emphasis on getting home with the right punches and not in just trying to beat the fight out of Floyd. That may come as a natural progression given Mosley's speed and power... Who knows..?

And yeah, i said 'i hope' ;D

Floyd on points majority decision.

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Floyd WILL DOMINATE Shane in fact it won't even be competitive. Mayweather has a fabulous jab which Shane will not be able to avoid (watch Mosley Forrest or Mosley Wright). Floyd is way too defensively sound to get hit by a guy who throws LOOPING punches. Shane has poor defense where his main strategy is to shove opponents (watch the Margarito fight). Shane has NO head movement. Floyd is faster than Shane. Shane is 39 years old. Anyone who's picking Shane is pretty much saying well he hits HARD so hell knock Maywetaher out you have to HIT MAYWEATHER to knock him out. I'll be bold enough to say it'll be as ONE SIDED as the Marquez fight.

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I definitely see your point T. Mosley needs to keep his shots straight. I hate the looping right hand he puts so much faith in... It seldom works these days... Even when he 'hides' it behind a jab.

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Everyone Shane has faced well tell you otherwise...

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In relevance to Floyd. I (as pretty much everyone else) know everything Floyd has to offer... Every little trick in the book has been seen. In theory, it should be easier to formulate AND execute a game plan against Floyd based on what Floyd does fight after fight after fight.

He's style is VERY regimented. (i hope that's the right word to use ??? )

Alas, many fighters have thought the same thing and none have them have been able to do anything about it. You make it sound like the way Floyd fights is simple and just about anybody should be able to break him down.

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I dunno. I don't mean to come across like I have no respect for Floyd as a fighter. I just know him inside out.

It must be just me ???

In his own unique way, he does things very much by 'the book'. Move-by-move... I can, quite literally, call his offensive as it unfolds.

Where he excels is in his reactions. That's his little superhuman trait that makes things so damn unbeatable.

So many fighters have fell in to the trap of getting him on the ropes, or getting close and then firing away with clubbing wide shots... I beg why?

Mosley, I hope, can put the emphasis on getting home with the right punches and not in just trying to beat the fight out of Floyd. That may come as a natural progression given Mosley's speed and power... Who knows..?

And yeah, i said 'i hope' ;D

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Dream on FHs. I don't mean that Mosely do not have a chance to beat Floyd. But to analyze this fight on a premise that PBF is not a unique and exceptional talent is ludicrous.

A well trained and in form PBF will beat anyone at 147 and under that is fighting today. Tomorrow, as age takes a toll of his reflexis and skill, that certainy wont be possible. But then it will be time defeating him rather than an opponent.

Shane Is Old! He's Had One Good Win In 5 Years If Not More And Hasn't Boxed Since That Win. He's Going To Get Winky'ed Again.

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That and if Shane did drop iron jaw Margarito, you can be sure he can drop Floyd without much problems.

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right because Floyd and Margarito have such a similar defense. it took about 9 rounds of endless unguarded flush punches to Margarito's skull before he was dropped, you're fooling yourself if you think that's gonna be Floyd. if anything the person that will be getting clean all night would be Mosley.

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Good stuff Lyle. One thing though.... Cotto is not particuarly tall and his boxing skills are nowhere near Floyds but he clearly outboxed him. I never said he'd hurt Shane just that he'd beat him and beat him clearly.

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Cotto hurt Shane, he worked the body and made him wince in pain every so often. In that fight Shane tried to be too cute and Cotto used a solid jab to set up his attack....that's something Floyd can't and won't do.

Majesty....Shane coming on late in a fight would be a NIGHTMARE for Floyd. Floyd gets his wins by outrunning early and then outgunning late

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Majesty....Shane coming on late in a fight would be a NIGHTMARE for Floyd. Floyd gets his wins by outrunning early and then outgunning late

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Shane coming on late will give Floyd more chances to counter. have you ever seen Floyd get tired? When's the last time you've seen Floyd get tired in the ring? Just because another fighter hasn't been able to come on late in a fight against Floyd doesn't mean Floyd doesn't have another gear.

Know why the fighters get tired? Because they go through about 6 or 7 rounds of expending their energy trying to hit Floyd and can't and Floyd has great conditioning and can come on late. Floyd comes on late in a fight too, ask Corrales. After about the 5th or 6th round Floyd begins to pick it up. So if Shane comes on late in a fight he'll just be matched by Floyd, because Floyd comes on late in the fight too. The thing is Shane is going to be the one spending more energy in the early rounds. So it won't be a nightmare for Floyd. Judging how Shane looked against Mayorga I'd be more worried about how much Shane will have left. If he got tagged all night by Mayorga and had issues with those telegraphed punches, then Floyd will be a NIGHTMARE for him. Margarito is slow, Mayorga has a little bit of speed and caught Mosley. So I have a hard time seeing how Mosley is gonna deal with Floyd's speed.

You brought up a point where you said Floyd has trouble with jabs, he really doesn't, everyone points to the Oscar fight but they neglect that the reason Oscar stopped using the jab was because Floyd started countering it and even hurt him with a straight right. So Floyd has shown he has an answer for the jab.

However Shane never has. Shane doesn't have an answer for the jab he has never shown one and Mayweather has a good jab too, to the body and to the head. So you should be more worried about Shane not having an answer for the jab as opposed to Mayweather.

Floyd doesn't get tired because people are too cautious about coming after him. Now Shane can't get careless but he's going to have to apply pressure and he can do that by winning a couple rounds and then making Floyd come to him OR Shane can work behind a steady jab and try to time Floyd for a big punch.

Floyd's going to be the hands down favorite for a reason he's skilled as hell but Shane is a tough matchup for him and I think that Floyd MAY try to make a statement to Pacquiao's camp by trying to destroy Shane and perhaps it's that which finally makes Floyd vulnerable to a fighter who is at the end of his career and who wants one more big win on his record. Floyd may be laying low for Shane but never sleep on the guy, he's tough, he's rugged, and he's got quick powerful hands.....this is the most dangerous fight of Floyd's career

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Mosley will lose because.
He's old: fits the criteria of "pretty boy's hit list." That's what my nigga pbf like! Let's roll!
He's right handed so he will fall for the shoulder roll.
He might be too preoccupied thinking pac ahead of pbf. The excitement of facing pac in the future will overtake the boredom of fighting may at the present.

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I'm pretty sure you're not black considering stuff you've said in the past about you being Asian, so why do you think it's cool to use that word?

Putting an 'a' instead of an 'er' doesn't make it ok, regardless of what some retarded rapper might lead you to believe.

Anyway moving away from the usual terrible Mad Takamura post, I do find this thread amusing for all the posters with the secrets to beating Mosley and Mayweather. Predictable, no tricks Mayweather. Obviously the Saddo posters can spot flaws in Mayweather and Mosley that Freddie Roach, Nacho Beristain and many other great boxing minds have been unable to exploit ;D

I'm sure Roger Mayweather and Nazim Richardson (not to mention the fighters) will be able to come up with a decent gameplan without our help ;)

Although obviously not without Trainer Monkey's, we already saw what happened to Yusaf Mack without TM laying out the gameplan :p

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Mosley will lose because.
He's old: fits the criteria of "pretty boy's hit list." That's what my nigga pbf like! Let's roll!
He's right handed so he will fall for the shoulder roll.
He might be too preoccupied thinking pac ahead of pbf. The excitement of facing pac in the future will overtake the boredom of fighting may at the present.

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I'm pretty sure you're not black considering stuff you've said in the past about you being Asian, so why do you think it's cool to use that word?

Putting an 'a' instead of an 'er' doesn't make it ok, regardless of what some retarded rapper might lead you to believe.

Anyway moving away from the usual terrible Mad Takamura post, I do find this thread amusing for all the posters with the secrets to beating Mosley and Mayweather. Predictable, no tricks Mayweather. Obviously the Saddo posters can spot flaws in Mayweather and Mosley that Freddie Roach, Nacho Beristain and many other great boxing minds have been unable to exploit ;D

I'm sure Roger Mayweather and Nazim Richardson (not to mention the fighters) will be able to come up with a decent gameplan without our help ;)

Although obviously not without Trainer Monkey's, we already saw what happened to Yusaf Mack without TM laying out the gameplan :p

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Well, we've seen what happens to anybody following his game plan, not only Yusaf ;) Ask to Andrew, Talley or his wife, he knows how to shut the lights early ;)

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Mosley will lose because.
He's old: fits the criteria of "pretty boy's hit list." That's what my nigga pbf like! Let's roll!
He's right handed so he will fall for the shoulder roll.
He might be too preoccupied thinking pac ahead of pbf. The excitement of facing pac in the future will overtake the boredom of fighting may at the present.

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I'm pretty sure you're not black considering stuff you've said in the past about you being Asian, so why do you think it's cool to use that word?

Putting an 'a' instead of an 'er' doesn't make it ok, regardless of what some retarded rapper might lead you to believe.

Anyway moving away from the usual terrible Mad Takamura post, I do find this thread amusing for all the posters with the secrets to beating Mosley and Mayweather. Predictable, no tricks Mayweather. Obviously the Saddo posters can spot flaws in Mayweather and Mosley that Freddie Roach, Nacho Beristain and many other great boxing minds have been unable to exploit ;D

I'm sure Roger Mayweather and Nazim Richardson (not to mention the fighters) will be able to come up with a decent gameplan without our help ;)

Although obviously not without Trainer Monkey's, we already saw what happened to Yusaf Mack without TM laying out the gameplan :p

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SHut up mate! I don't feel your flow foo! Why don't you just chew up graham crackers till you choke on it coz i don't need to hear your opinion.
And what's the difference in calling pbf my nigga instead of nigger?! Is nigga more humiliating? So if i call a cop coppa instead of copper it would humiliate them more?!
It depends on how i talk it, idiot. The words don't matter. I be down with my nigga floyd and floyd will smash mosley. So am i discriminating floyd by saying my nigga? Nooooope. Actually i am down wit him. Ya dig? Foo.

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Mosley will lose because.
He's old: fits the criteria of "pretty boy's hit list." That's what my nigga pbf like! Let's roll!
He's right handed so he will fall for the shoulder roll.
He might be too preoccupied thinking pac ahead of pbf. The excitement of facing pac in the future will overtake the boredom of fighting may at the present.

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I'm pretty sure you're not black considering stuff you've said in the past about you being Asian, so why do you think it's cool to use that word?

Putting an 'a' instead of an 'er' doesn't make it ok, regardless of what some retarded rapper might lead you to believe.

Anyway moving away from the usual terrible Mad Takamura post, I do find this thread amusing for all the posters with the secrets to beating Mosley and Mayweather. Predictable, no tricks Mayweather. Obviously the Saddo posters can spot flaws in Mayweather and Mosley that Freddie Roach, Nacho Beristain and many other great boxing minds have been unable to exploit ;D

I'm sure Roger Mayweather and Nazim Richardson (not to mention the fighters) will be able to come up with a decent gameplan without our help ;)

Although obviously not without Trainer Monkey's, we already saw what happened to Yusaf Mack without TM laying out the gameplan :p

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SHut up mate! I don't feel your flow foo! Why don't you just chew up graham crackers till you choke on it coz i don't need to hear your opinion.
And what's the difference in calling pbf my nigga instead of nigger?! Is nigga more humiliating? So if i call a cop coppa instead of copper it would humiliate them more?!
It depends on how i talk it, idiot. The words don't matter. I be down with my nigga floyd and floyd will smash mosley. So am i discriminating floyd by saying my nigga? Nooooope. Actually i am down wit him. Ya dig? Foo.

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My nigga!!!!

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I'm pretty sure you're not black considering stuff you've said in the past about you being Asian, so why do you think it's cool to use that word?

Putting an 'a' instead of an 'er' doesn't make it ok, regardless of what some retarded rapper might lead you to believe.

Anyway moving away from the usual terrible Mad Takamura post, I do find this thread amusing for all the posters with the secrets to beating Mosley and Mayweather. Predictable, no tricks Mayweather. Obviously the Saddo posters can spot flaws in Mayweather and Mosley that Freddie Roach, Nacho Beristain and many other great boxing minds have been unable to exploit ;D

I'm sure Roger Mayweather and Nazim Richardson (not to mention the fighters) will be able to come up with a decent gameplan without our help ;)

Although obviously not without Trainer Monkey's, we already saw what happened to Yusaf Mack without TM laying out the gameplan :p

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SHut up mate! I don't feel your flow foo! Why don't you just chew up graham crackers till you choke on it coz i don't need to hear your opinion.
And what's the difference in calling pbf my nigga instead of nigger?! Is nigga more humiliating? So if i call a cop coppa instead of copper it would humiliate them more?!
It depends on how i talk it, idiot. The words don't matter. I be down with my nigga floyd and floyd will smash mosley. So am i discriminating floyd by saying my nigga? Nooooope. Actually i am down wit him. Ya dig? Foo.

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My nigga!!!!

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Yap. Hater jaz here doe'snt know crap about street talk mayne.

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SHut up mate! I don't feel your flow foo! Why don't you just chew up graham crackers till you choke on it coz i don't need to hear your opinion.
And what's the difference in calling pbf my nigga instead of nigger?! Is nigga more humiliating? So if i call a cop coppa instead of copper it would humiliate them more?!
It depends on how i talk it, idiot. The words don't matter. I be down with my nigga floyd and floyd will smash mosley. So am i discriminating floyd by saying my nigga? Nooooope. Actually i am down wit him. Ya dig? Foo.

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My nigga!!!!

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Yap. Hater jaz here doe'snt know crap about street talk mayne.

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Shane Mosley WILL BEAT Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Shane's smart, he's strong, he has very quick hands, he's not killing himself to make weight, and Floyd can't hurt him.

I think Floyd has been apprehensive about fighting a couple guys at 147 and rightfully so in some cases: Cotto, Williams, Margarito, Shane Mosley, and Pacquiao. Now of course the Floyd fans will say Floyd has little left to prove and those fights didn't make sense etc etc but Floyd's record speaks for itself he never once said "Give me Cotto and I'll beat him" or "Give me Williams and I'll beat him" he simply waited until they lost and said "See, they weren't worthy of a shot vs me" and it doesn't make sense for Floyd not to fight when the money is to his liking. If he was truly "Money Mayweather" he would have fought at least 3 of those guys because you cannot tell me that ANY of those fights wouldn't have made HUGE money at the gate and on PPV.

Stylistically Floyd has very little to offer Shane, the guys who have beaten Shane either use their height and reach (Forrest & Wright) or are durable enough to trade with Shane and get the better of him (Miguel Cotto and to a lesser extent De la Hoya in the rematch was able to hang with him). Floyd has great defense but he isn't as effective until he gets a fighter to tire themself out, vs Judah and Hatton he allowed them to do work early and chase him around the ring while he pot shotted them for at least half the fight knowing especially that Zab would have 0 to offer him later in the fight and that's when Floyd turned it on....Shane doesn't have much in the defense department but he's strong and he's got fast DANGEROUS hands and he's going to beat Floyd.

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Lyle i have already said in a previous post , that Shane will win and be the first to drop and hurt Mayweather.

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Barring a 10 second mental lapse by mayweather where he does not move or defend himself I cant see Shane landing anything that will put Floyd down.

I see Shane chasing floyd all night, maybe taking a few rounds due to being aggressive (but ineffective).

I like Mosley, but when he can't side down on his punches and swing with his eyes shut his power drops by 50%

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Proceed ;D

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Best news I've heard all day.

I say Mayweather comfortable UD and I have my username on it for a month after with Lyle. Can anyone come up with a good name change for him though??

IMO Lyle and the others predicting a Shane win are reading WAY too much into the Margarito performance. Margarito is so slow - Shane couldn't help but beat him to the punch.

But before that, Shane was looking really, really ordinary. Vargas, Collazo, Mayorga - seriously, I think Shane might win a couple of rounds early, but I think it's going to be a long frustrating night after that.


Hope I'm wrong though:-\

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IMO Lyle and the others predicting a Shane win are reading WAY too much into the Margarito performance. Margarito is so slow - Shane couldn't help but beat him to the punch.

But before that, Shane was looking really, really ordinary. Vargas, Collazo, Mayorga - seriously, I think Shane might win a couple of rounds early, but I think it's going to be a long frustrating night after that.


Hope I'm wrong though:-\

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I pretty much agree with everything you say here. Shane looked good against as man who was tailor made for him. Before that he was looking very ordinary and Floyd is tailor made for no one.

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I know iv'e probably said my fair share on this thread already so i appologise but DUDE.... RE-READ MY POST.

Tis all :)

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IMO Lyle and the others predicting a Shane win are reading WAY too much into the Margarito performance. Margarito is so slow - Shane couldn't help but beat him to the punch.

But before that, Shane was looking really, really ordinary. Vargas, Collazo, Mayorga - seriously, I think Shane might win a couple of rounds early, but I think it's going to be a long frustrating night after that.


Hope I'm wrong though:-\

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...if I'm reading too much into a fight it's how Oscar did vs Floyd.

Shane doesn't have to be first vs Floyd, in fact Shane getting Floyd to chase him might do enough to mess Floyd's head up. Shane just needs to use a solid jab for 12 rounds and everything else should be icing on the cake. Shane should know from the experience with Cotto that a jab can be the deciding factor in a fight AND with the help of De la Hoya, Hopkins, and Naz he should have all the tactical advice he should need to empliment a solid game plan.

I guess old tricks never change. Only a fool would pick Mosely to beat Floyd. Cuz Floyd holds every advantage and is going to make Mosely look silly.

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Shane Mosley WILL BEAT Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Shane's smart, he's strong, he has very quick hands, he's not killing himself to make weight, and Floyd can't hurt him.

I think Floyd has been apprehensive about fighting a couple guys at 147 and rightfully so in some cases: Cotto, Williams, Margarito, Shane Mosley, and Pacquiao. Now of course the Floyd fans will say Floyd has little left to prove and those fights didn't make sense etc etc but Floyd's record speaks for itself he never once said "Give me Cotto and I'll beat him" or "Give me Williams and I'll beat him" he simply waited until they lost and said "See, they weren't worthy of a shot vs me" and it doesn't make sense for Floyd not to fight when the money is to his liking. If he was truly "Money Mayweather" he would have fought at least 3 of those guys because you cannot tell me that ANY of those fights wouldn't have made HUGE money at the gate and on PPV.

Stylistically Floyd has very little to offer Shane, the guys who have beaten Shane either use their height and reach (Forrest & Wright) or are durable enough to trade with Shane and get the better of him (Miguel Cotto and to a lesser extent De la Hoya in the rematch was able to hang with him). Floyd has great defense but he isn't as effective until he gets a fighter to tire themself out, vs Judah and Hatton he allowed them to do work early and chase him around the ring while he pot shotted them for at least half the fight knowing especially that Zab would have 0 to offer him later in the fight and that's when Floyd turned it on....Shane doesn't have much in the defense department but he's strong and he's got fast DANGEROUS hands and he's going to beat Floyd.

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I don't think that Shane won't be a problem for Mayweather, but not exactly for the reasons you've mentioned, and I don't think the reasons why Mosley had problems with other fighters is why Mayweather will trouble him so much.

First of all Mayweather is a much purer boxer than anyone Mosley has faced, even Winky Wright. Mosley has never experienced a guy who moves and boxes as well as Floyd. Second Floyd adjusts better than anyone Shane has been in there with. It's not just that Floyd's opponents tire in the late rounds because almost everyone does, but Floyd makes adjustments and he stays fresher than anyone else. I think this will remain true against Mosley who doesn't usually appear really sharp in the first place (I mean by this that he gets hit by shots early on as he does late). Also despite Floyd being smaller than Shane I think his style does pose similar issues that facing Vernon Forest and Winky WRight did for Shane. Though Floyd is smaller than Shane he is a more effective fighter on the outside. I think this gives Shane problems because as good as his chin is, he doesn't like to just walk in impose himself physically on guys which I think he could have even done to the bigger Wright and Forest, but also because he doesn't usually fully comit to coming forward we saw him being hit quite easily as he hesitated at the wrong moment. I think Shane did a better job of that against Collazo, but I honestly think that was only once Collazo hurt his left hand badly.

I do think Shane's physical abilities and his physical abilities alone will let him be competitive in this fight. I just have a hard time seeing him get the oppertunities to be effective simply because he doesn't have great outside game. Also one more problem I have always had with Shane is that he doesn't fight at the speed of his body. That's why I think we saw Winky beat him to the punch, Forest beat him to the punch, and Cotto beating him to the punch. I think Mosley moves incredibly fast and even has fast reflexes, but his timing is off and his intuitiveness defensively seems to be lacking for a guy of his talent, and maybe its because he has a choppy transition from defensive to offensive and vice virsa.

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Originally Posted by mad_takamura

SHut up mate! I don't feel your flow foo! Why don't you just chew up graham crackers till you choke on it coz i don't need to hear your opinion.
And what's the difference in calling pbf my nigga instead of nigger?! Is nigga more humiliating? So if i call a cop coppa instead of copper it would humiliate them more?!
It depends on how i talk it, idiot. The words don't matter. I be down with my nigga floyd and floyd will smash mosley. So am i discriminating floyd by saying my nigga? Nooooope. Actually i am down wit him. Ya dig? Foo.

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Yeah, nice work on the Shaft impression. Who are you the Filippino Zelenoff?

As for the the bolded point, there is no difference, certainly not from a desperate virgin who's a confirmed Mayweather hater who is suddenly 'down' with PBF. You fucking retard :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by mad takamura

Yap. Hater jaz here doe'snt know crap about street talk mayne.

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Yeah, I bet you live right in the heart of the ghetto :-X

If you are ever in London, please feel free to come to my area, Lewisham, and show everyone about 'street talk' ;D

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Originally Posted by Big H

Mad Takamura is banned from the thread

Proceed ;D

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Oh H, but why?? So what if he's the Pinoy Ali G, let him back in to 'skool' me on how things work 'in da ghetto' ;)

Its a shame this fight couldn't of happened 10 years ago, or could you imagine this fight being at Lightweight with both men in there prime ?

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Originally Posted by Greig

IMO Lyle and the others predicting a Shane win are reading WAY too much into the Margarito performance. Margarito is so slow - Shane couldn't help but beat him to the punch.

But before that, Shane was looking really, really ordinary. Vargas, Collazo, Mayorga - seriously, I think Shane might win a couple of rounds early, but I think it's going to be a long frustrating night after that.


Hope I'm wrong though:-\

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Another thing about the Margarito fight is that all of that pre-fight chaos seemed to create a definite change in Margarito's level of confidence during the fight, and boosted Shane's.

I hope Floyd wins this one handily which would then put the pressure on Arum to make the fight with Manny. That's really what we care about seeing those two in the same ring later in the year.

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Another thing about the Margarito fight is that all of that pre-fight chaos seemed to create a definite change in Margarito's level of confidence during the fight, and boosted Shane's.

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Yea I've always thought Margarito wasn't all there mentally that fight as a result of all the dramas.