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Why is name calling and bashing a part of arguments here at saddo? Is it because it shields the hollowness of some arguments, or is it more the inability to stay the course of civility to express one's ideas?
These gentlemen are carrying on honourably with their sides of the argument, I have found it very enlightening so far, or at least it was...
Mosley was involved with Balco, that is true. The best Mosley could have done at the time is come clean and admit it. He would have get found out eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
hahaha you're the biggest moron dude, Mosley only got found out because he was involved in the BALCO scandal, and because he flat out admitted it, although he states that he unknowingly took them, Mosley never failed a drug test genius but again, nice tryQuote:
Originally Posted by DenchQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Then how do they know he's on PED? They caught him drinking PED in the parking lot? Nice one man, keep it coming
Pacman has never tested positive on any illegal substance. That is true.
But can you connect Pacman to any drug scandal or any shaddy drug company? Until then Pacman is clean until proven guilty.
Are you crazy? that's not possible. How can people hate him if they think that way?Quote:
Originally Posted by jerome01
Not accepting Floyd's demands made him guilty.
If the weight penalty Pacquiao asked for & Mayweather agreed to was about fear of Mayweather "cheating" & coming in overweight, why didn't Pacquiao demand the same 10 million dollar penalty for Clottey, a man who has weighed-in over the 147 lb. limit multiple times?Quote:
Originally Posted by DenchYour statements are incoherent and confusing. The catch weight set of the Marquez-Mayweather fight was made by themselves, not by NSAC. They agreed on it from the beginning and signed the contract stating that it would be 145lbs. Its clear that catch weights can be asked by anyone to anyone, not just Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea he broke the rule, and had to pay the fee given to him by the NSAC, not by Marquez, so who the fuck is Manny to say he should get $10 mil for every pound over the limit, same as who the fuck is Manny to demand catchweights for not only championship fights, but title defenses as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Dench
Manny asked 10million fine for each pound that goes beyond 147, yes, but that is simply to force Floyd to make the weight -- he's a legit welter anyway that should be a non-issue and Manny is naturally smaller than him.
Catchweights that were set by Manny was agreed by the other fighter. Look, it was not a deal that manny made by himself. Its a two way deal.
He fought Dela Hoya at 147 limit, and people were saying dela hoya will crush him like a cheap jar. He fought Hatton at his unbeatable weight 140 and people were saying Hatton will bulldoze Manny. Was it Manny's fault to prove them wrong?
Who the fuck are the Mayweathers to say that Manny is on PED?
The truth is the "weight penalty" was as much of a muscle flex as Mayweather's demand for testing. The difference is Mayweather called Pacquiao's bluff & rather than show his hand Pacquiao cried foul.
Both men had the right to make a demand & they both did. Mayweather agreed to Pacquiao's but Pacquiao didn't agree to Mayweather. No matter the reason, he simply didn't agree.
Hell, as humble & as confident a fighter Pacquiao is I would've thought he'd jump at the chance to prove his legitimate greatness amidst rumors of cheating. I know I would.
At this point I wouldn't bother wasting the time to watch PAC-Mayweather except on youtube afterwards. I am truly sick of this whole bitchfest.
Couldnt agree more bud ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
In respect to Lazcano giving Hatton fits which was mentioned earlier in the thread; The scores were 120-108, 120-110 and 118-110.
Fairly conclusive me thinks :rolleyes:
Box on :boxing:
the fight was also in Manchester, Lazcano had Hatton in plenty of trouble and hurt badly on several occasions, so this is a fight where the scores don't reflect what actually went on in the fightQuote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanCouldnt agree more bud ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
In respect to Lazcano giving Hatton fits which was mentioned earlier in the thread; The scores were 120-108, 120-110 and 118-110.
Fairly conclusive me thinks :rolleyes:
Box on :boxing:
That is nonsense. Hatton won pretty much all the rounds and you can only really make a case for Hatton losing the two rounds he got buzzed in. In that sense the scores very much reflect what went on.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthe fight was also in Manchester, Lazcano had Hatton in plenty of trouble and hurt badly on several occasions, so this is a fight where the scores don't reflect what actually went on in the fightQuote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanCouldnt agree more bud ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
In respect to Lazcano giving Hatton fits which was mentioned earlier in the thread; The scores were 120-108, 120-110 and 118-110.
Fairly conclusive me thinks :rolleyes:
Box on :boxing:
i thought Hatton won it clearly,, but 120-108 my ass, i had Ricky winning 8 or 9 of the 12 rounds, and the two rounds he lost, were pretty damn ugly, giving the indication that Ricky was anything but "unbeatable" at 140, Hatton although he beat Lazcano clearly he didn't do it effortlessly as some might try to make it outQuote:
Originally Posted by milesThat is nonsense. Hatton won pretty much all the rounds and you can only really make a case for Hatton losing the two rounds he got buzzed in. In that sense the scores very much reflect what went on.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthe fight was also in Manchester, Lazcano had Hatton in plenty of trouble and hurt badly on several occasions, so this is a fight where the scores don't reflect what actually went on in the fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Mattyhitman
120-108 is absurd, I only have Hatton losing two rounds in that fight though. It was a sloppy showing but still very dominant. Lazcano was crap though and chosen as a gimme, the fact that Hatton had issues with him did suggest that all was not quite so well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi thought Hatton won it clearly,, but 120-108 my ass, i had Ricky winning 8 or 9 of the 12 rounds, and the two rounds he lost, were pretty damn ugly, giving the indication that Ricky was anything but "unbeatable" at 140, Hatton although he beat Lazcano clearly he didn't do it effortlessly as some might try to make it outQuote:
Originally Posted by milesThat is nonsense. Hatton won pretty much all the rounds and you can only really make a case for Hatton losing the two rounds he got buzzed in. In that sense the scores very much reflect what went on.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Manny Pacquiao could not have chosen Shane bec. by the time his bout with Clottey was finalized, Shane was still scheduled to fight Berto. After the Pac-Mayweather bout did not materialize, Clottey was the next best available fighter at that time .Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngbloodanyone want to elaborate on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by match
I openly admit i am a die hard Pacfan and a PBF hater to the fullest..
I will say this though..
If MAY beats Mosely without a bunch of controversy attached, i will give PBF is due credit for taking the match AND beating a legitimate Welter..
But ELTERRIBLE - you have such a hate for Manny that even if he did take the tests and passed, beats PBF and Mosely you still wouldn't give him any credit... Your point of perspective is so shaded with hate its hard to take anything you say seriously...
I hate PBF and i question everything he has ever done PAST 135, but I will give him credit IF he beats Mosely..
Did you give credit to PAC for beating Cotto, are you going to give credit IF he beats Clottey... Can PAC do anything that would stand as a legitimate accomplishment to you??
dude go some other place with that bullshit, i've given Manny credit for every legit big win he's had aside from the DLH fight, he beat Hatton clearly, he beat Cotto clearly, i gave him all the credit in the world, you can even dig up my posts from after both fights, i made ZERO excuses for either guy, but the fact of the matter is, MAYWEATHER/PACQUIAO didn't happen because Pacquiao was too much of a pussy to take random bloodtests, doesn't matter how you try to flip it around it's the truthQuote:
Originally Posted by cnote111
and you're bitching and moaning about Pacquiao not getting credit? hell Mayweather could jump to HW and beat both Klitschko's back to back and yet people still would be, "Well he didn't take on Valuev!"
I'm not bitching and moaning, maybe my timing of seeing your posts was during all of the PBF/PAC debacle... You are one sensitive dude! I'm sure the PAC hate posts you have dished out have clearly outweighed the Credit you've given... I might have to dig one up to see if you actually have given credit when credit is due..Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdude go some other place with that bullshit, i've given Manny credit for every legit big win he's had aside from the DLH fight, he beat Hatton clearly, he beat Cotto clearly, i gave him all the credit in the world, you can even dig up my posts from after both fights, i made ZERO excuses for either guy, but the fact of the matter is, MAYWEATHER/PACQUIAO didn't happen because Pacquiao was too much of a pussy to take random bloodtests, doesn't matter how you try to flip it around it's the truthQuote:
Originally Posted by cnote111
and you're bitching and moaning about Pacquiao not getting credit? hell Mayweather could jump to HW and beat both Klitschko's back to back and yet people still would be, "Well he didn't take on Valuev!"
Now onto your second statement about how MAY could jump to HW and beat both Klitschkos and yet "people" still wouldn't give MAY credit... Isn't what you are saying the the exact same thing you just accused me of bitching and moaning about?
Your anger drives you on these boards, go get'em dawg! Make these so called "people" pay with how right and justified you are with all of your ranting! YOU ARE THE MAN!!!
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi thought Hatton won it clearly,, but 120-108 my ass, i had Ricky winning 8 or 9 of the 12 rounds, and the two rounds he lost, were pretty damn ugly, giving the indication that Ricky was anything but "unbeatable" at 140, Hatton although he beat Lazcano clearly he didn't do it effortlessly as some might try to make it outQuote:
Originally Posted by milesThat is nonsense. Hatton won pretty much all the rounds and you can only really make a case for Hatton losing the two rounds he got buzzed in. In that sense the scores very much reflect what went on.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
So what ya saying is Ricky loses 2 maybe 3rds of a 12rd fight and thats not convincing enough for ya :confused: It's a boxing match he will get hit, and as we know he does, the is not many fights Ricky has been in that he hasnt been hit hard !
It's the contradiction that gets me, earlier in this thread you said Lazcano gave Ricky ' the fight of his life ' , now ya saying he won clearly but for 2-3rds :confused: :rolleyes:
that's the thing, most of you Pactards want Manny to get some special treatment, as if everyone has to like his ass, that everyone has to watch in awe, and if someone says one damn negative thing about him what happens? you're a "hater", yet when people do the same damned thing with any other fighter you get offended that people call you out on it, i'm no Mayweather fan, i don't give two flying fucks if people don't give him the credit he deserves, just don't get pissy when the same thing happens to your man Pacquiao, cause like it or not, he himself has tainted his own legacyQuote:
Originally Posted by cnote111I'm not bitching and moaning, maybe my timing of seeing your posts was during all of the PBF/PAC debacle... You are one sensitive dude! I'm sure the PAC hate posts you have dished out have clearly outweighed the Credit you've given... I might have to dig one up to see if you actually have given credit when credit is due..Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdude go some other place with that bullshit, i've given Manny credit for every legit big win he's had aside from the DLH fight, he beat Hatton clearly, he beat Cotto clearly, i gave him all the credit in the world, you can even dig up my posts from after both fights, i made ZERO excuses for either guy, but the fact of the matter is, MAYWEATHER/PACQUIAO didn't happen because Pacquiao was too much of a pussy to take random bloodtests, doesn't matter how you try to flip it around it's the truthQuote:
Originally Posted by cnote111
and you're bitching and moaning about Pacquiao not getting credit? hell Mayweather could jump to HW and beat both Klitschko's back to back and yet people still would be, "Well he didn't take on Valuev!"
Now onto your second statement about how MAY could jump to HW and beat both Klitschkos and yet "people" still wouldn't give MAY credit... Isn't what you are saying the the exact same thing you just accused me of bitching and moaning about?
Your anger drives you on these boards, go get'em dawg! Make these so called "people" pay with how right and justified you are with all of your ranting! YOU ARE THE MAN!!!
@ElTerrible - I didn't do to much digging, but i did see you gave PAC props so i will retract my original statement; however, i also saw that you stated you are not a PAC Hater and that just killed all my hopes for your level of honesty... You are very much a PAC Hater... :FACT:
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthat's the thing, most of you Pactards want Manny to get some special treatment, as if everyone has to like his ass, that everyone has to watch in awe, and if someone says one damn negative thing about him what happens? you're a "hater", yet when people do the same damned thing with any other fighter you get offended that people call you out on it, i'm no Mayweather fan, i don't give two flying fucks if people don't give him the credit he deserves, just don't get pissy when the same thing happens to your man Pacquiao, cause like it or not, he himself has tainted his own legacyQuote:
Originally Posted by cnote111I'm not bitching and moaning, maybe my timing of seeing your posts was during all of the PBF/PAC debacle... You are one sensitive dude! I'm sure the PAC hate posts you have dished out have clearly outweighed the Credit you've given... I might have to dig one up to see if you actually have given credit when credit is due..Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Now onto your second statement about how MAY could jump to HW and beat both Klitschkos and yet "people" still wouldn't give MAY credit... Isn't what you are saying the the exact same thing you just accused me of bitching and moaning about?
Your anger drives you on these boards, go get'em dawg! Make these so called "people" pay with how right and justified you are with all of your ranting! YOU ARE THE MAN!!!
What special Treatment???
I actually like your statement, i agree with what you are trying to say... Your problem is you can't understand that people will defend there favorite as much as they can and attack the ones they hate. You have gone out of your way to state your position on the PAC/PBF debacle, and for every "Pactard" you have attacked you have equally defended a fighter others hate... You've done everything that you attack others for... Isn't there a word that?
Let me put it this way: I was a deluded Vargas fan for a long time, and i defended him tooth and nail.. THEN he proved to me that he was not worth backing any longer (for multiple reasons). PACQUIAO on the other hand has done more than enough to have a dedicated fan base, and nothing to have haters attack his every move. IF Pac did fail a drug test, i would immediately stop rooting for him, but NOT taking the test seems to be good enough for you to attack him and his his fans to no end..
Who gives a shit if someone likes Manny or not, it's their prerogative to not like any fighter they want.
But I will say something about the fight with Cotto, there was a thread here before the fight that half of the board predicted Cotto would win. After the fight those same people backing Cotto said he was shot from the Margarito beating and weight drained. That was the excuse used.
But I did give Manny his due for that fight and I didn't believe the excuses.
look up my posts and in not one did i say that Margarito ruined Cotto, only thing i said was that Cotto's corner didn't help the matter much and that if he ever hopes to bounce back he better get new people around himQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
I most definitely retract my statements of you not giving PAC credit, but i stand by the fact i think you go out of your way to Hate on him any chance you get...Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleslook up my posts and in not one did i say that Margarito ruined Cotto, only thing i said was that Cotto's corner didn't help the matter much and that if he ever hopes to bounce back he better get new people around himQuote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Pacquiao and camp chose Clottey less than 2 weeks before Mosley-Berto was to take place. Berto pulled out only days before the fight in wake of the Haiti quake. All Pacquiao had to do was wait for what they thought would be the fight and had Shane won they could have entered into negotiations. They knew damn well whoever would have won Mosley-Berto would be the best available opponent. Floyd didn't even look elsewhere until Pacquiao made it clear he was signing on to fight someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerManny Pacquiao could not have chosen Shane bec. by the time his bout with Clottey was finalized, Shane was still scheduled to fight Berto. After the Pac-Mayweather bout did not materialize, Clottey was the next best available fighter at that time .Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngbloodanyone want to elaborate on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by match
Lol liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreat
50-50 split - Random Blood Tests - Let's get it on. Simple
(IF Mayweather can beat Mosley and when Pac beats Clottey)
If Manny was to wait for the winner of the Mosley-Berto fight, when do you think their bout would be? Manny is running for political office in his country hence would be unable to fight four to six months after the Mosley-Berto bout. That's why he's trying to have a fight in March. He wants to stay as active as possible. So why wasn't Floyd waiting to see who the winner of that bout will be? Why were Paulie Malignagi or Matthew Hatton even considered as possible opponents?Quote:
Originally Posted by matchPacquiao and camp chose Clottey less than 2 weeks before Mosley-Berto was to take place. Berto pulled out only days before the fight in wake of the Haiti quake. All Pacquiao had to do was wait for what they thought would be the fight and had Shane won they could have entered into negotiations. They knew damn well whoever would have won Mosley-Berto would be the best available opponent. Floyd didn't even look elsewhere until Pacquiao made it clear he was signing on to fight someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerManny Pacquiao could not have chosen Shane bec. by the time his bout with Clottey was finalized, Shane was still scheduled to fight Berto. After the Pac-Mayweather bout did not materialize, Clottey was the next best available fighter at that time .Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
My question to you, who then would have been the best opponent for Manny Pacquiao after the collapse of his megafight with Mayweather?
Pacquiao only has himself to blame and Bob Arum as well.
Everything was on the table and what did he refuse? Drug tests! DRUG TESTS!!!
And then his promotional team tried to make Mayweather look bad by quickly making a fight a day later lol.
Mayweather waited... and got Mosley. And now he is holding the cards.
Mayweather is in control now whether Arum/Pacquiao like it or not and they only have themselves to blame.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
I really hope the PPV figures for Pac/Clottey bomb because Pacquiao needs to be hit where it hurts the most, namely the pocket. He screwed up big time with the Mayweather shenigans and deserves to pay the penalty.
Pacquiao needs to stop letting Arum run his career too, he told Arum "make this go away" when the drug test thing came up. And Arum did, he made EVERYTHING go away. Including his reputation.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesExactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
I really hope the PPV figures for Pac/Clottey bomb because Pacquiao needs to be hit where it hurts the most, namely the pocket. He screwed up big time with the Mayweather shenigans and deserves to pay the penalty.
It doesn't matter what either fighter does in pvv unless Floyd is beats Mosley and there is no guarantee that Pacquiao is going to beat Clottey.
Listen, the two camps are not going to be able to come to agree as much as we all want to see the fight. It's not going to happen.
The best-case scenario for a clear p4p and welterweight champion (and for boxing) to emerge from this mess is if Mosley beats Mayweather and Pacquiao beats Clottey because there are no obstacles to a Mosley-Pacquiao fight and it is a mega event.
On another note, Mayweather-Mosley is a more significant fight than Pacquiao-Clottey. No doubt about it. It would be very surprising if Pacquiao-Clottey outsells Mayweather-Mosley.
not really lol Mosley already proposed the fight to Pacquiao and he tucked ass and ran from the fight, i wouldn't be shocked if he went ahead and retired after the Clottey fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I say if anyone deserves more it would be Floyd. I think the statement is just a ploy to get Pac to agree to what he walked away from. Floyd is the bigger draw, let's be honest, Marquez is not a PPV draw, Miguel Cotto is. Mayweather had higher numbers against common opponentsQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Have to disagree there mate, Pac deserves at least 50/50 here's a look at there PPV numbers before and after there fights with Dela HoyaQuote:
Originally Posted by piye
Mayweather's Highest PPV before De la Hoya:
Zab Judah - 374,000
Arturo Gatti - 365,000
Carlos Baldomir - 325,000
TOTAL : 1,064,000
Pacquiao's Highest PPV Fights before De la Hoya:
Juan Manuel Marquez Rematch - 400,000
Erik Morales 3rd Match - 360,000
Marco Antonio Barrera Rematch - 350,000
TOTAL: 1,110,000
Mayweather Fights after De la Hoya
Juan Manuel Marquez - 1,050,000
Ricky Hatton - 925,000
TOTAL: 1,975,000
Pacquiao Fights after De la Hoya
Miguel Cotto - 1,250,000
Ricky Hatton - 850,000
TOTAL: 2,100,000
The Mosley fight will probably do a couple of hundred thousand more but the same argument for comparing Pac/Cotto - Mayweather/JMM, could be used with the two fights coming up, with Mayweather having the less attractive ppv then and now Pac having the same situation.
But on the other hand you can look at these numbers below and say Floyd deserves more:
Marquez-Pacquiao 400k
Marquez-Mayweather 1.1Mill
Hatton-Pacquiao 850k
Hatton-Mayweather 950k
De La Hoya-Pacquiao 1.6Mill
De La Hoya-Mayweather 2.4Mill
But the timing of these fights had a big bearing, and the situation for instance Dela Hoya v Mayweather was seen as alot closer fight on paper than Pac Dela Hoya, everyone thought Pac would get blown away. Hard to say but looking at all figures 50/50 is fair imo.
If Pacquiao & Mayweather do win their respective matches, don't we want them to meet and settle once & for all who really is the P4P king? And we know that neither of them would give in to a lesser purse. It should either be a 50/50 or a 55/45, 60/40 with the remaining amount going to the winner. Why should we insist that one fighter gets more? We won't be getting a cut from their share. So what benefit would we get from favoring a higher split for a certain boxer?
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Originally Posted by miron_langThat might be true. but its is a well known fact the Hatton has zero loss at 140. or to word it differently Hatton was undefeated at 140 prior to facing Pacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Hatton was so overrated; always was fed 2nd rate opponents. He was a cash cow with that huge following, and his style was perfect for MP -just like all of the opponents Arum has picked since MM II.
This make me laugh, I guess your right maybe Pac should retire after IF he cant deal with Floyd, but remember Cotto boxed and beat Mosley the Pacquiao beat Cotto this you mean that Pacquiao will duck Mosley?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnot really lol Mosley already proposed the fight to Pacquiao and he tucked ass and ran from the fight, i wouldn't be shocked if he went ahead and retired after the Clottey fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
No doubt Floyd and Pac should face each other. This what people wants, no Mosley/Margarito-Pac nor Floyd-whoever. This is really sad if aint gonna happen
What I meant is that a Floyd-Pac fight ain't happening. It would be great for boxing but it just ain't happening while a Pacquiao-Mosley fight would definitely happen. Mosley beating Floyd sets up a Mosley-Pacquiao show-down, which would clear up the p4p and welterweight questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by UKPHThis make me laugh, I guess your right maybe Pac should retire after IF he cant deal with Floyd, but remember Cotto boxed and beat Mosley the Pacquiao beat Cotto this you mean that Pacquiao will duck Mosley?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesnot really lol Mosley already proposed the fight to Pacquiao and he tucked ass and ran from the fight, i wouldn't be shocked if he went ahead and retired after the Clottey fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
No doubt Floyd and Pac should face each other. This what people wants, no Mosley/Margarito-Pac nor Floyd-whoever. This is really sad if aint gonna happen
As an aside, Doug Fischer in his blog at RingTV below said that Floyd negotiated for an immediate rematch with Shane should Shane win. Is there any truth to this?
"Hi Dougie,
Long time reader here. First off, let me say that I sincerely hope I am wrong and you are right about Shane beating Floyd. I'm a big Mosley fan and have been for years. That said, speed kills - and I think people will be surprised at how slow Floyd will make Shane look. My greatest wish is for Shane to grind him down and stop him, but it just ain't happening. When's the last time you saw anyone able to consistently get to Floyd's body? Do you think it's because nobody's thought of that or tried? As much crap as the guy gets (most of it deserved), Money's absolutely brilliant about not getting in positions where he can get touched up to the body - or head for that matter.
Interesting fight for 3-4 rounds until Floyd solves Shane and shuts him out with annoying but scoring counters en route to a wide UD. -- Scott
You are so wrong, Scott. I can’t believe how many fans and members of the media are sleeping on Sugar Shane. It’s sad. It really is.
Dude, Floyd didn’t want this fight. He was forced to take it because it’s the only fight (outside of the Pacquiao showdown) that would guarantee him $15-$20 million-plus and it’s the only bout that fans and the media (including his apologists) would accept in lieu of the Pac-Man fight. Mayweather’s side wanted an immediate rematch clause in the contract. What does that tell you about his confidence going into this bout? "
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What I meant is that a Floyd-Pac fight ain't happening. It would be great for boxing but it just ain't happening while a Pacquiao-Mosley fight would definitely happen. Mosley beating Floyd sets up a Mosley-Pacquiao show-down, which would clear up the p4p and welterweight questions.
As an aside, Doug Fischer in his blog at RingTV below said that Floyd negotiated for an immediate rematch with Shane should Shane win. Is there any truth to this?
"Hi Dougie,
Long time reader here. First off, let me say that I sincerely hope I am wrong and you are right about Shane beating Floyd. I'm a big Mosley fan and have been for years. That said, speed kills - and I think people will be surprised at how slow Floyd will make Shane look. My greatest wish is for Shane to grind him down and stop him, but it just ain't happening. When's the last time you saw anyone able to consistently get to Floyd's body? Do you think it's because nobody's thought of that or tried? As much crap as the guy gets (most of it deserved), Money's absolutely brilliant about not getting in positions where he can get touched up to the body - or head for that matter.
Interesting fight for 3-4 rounds until Floyd solves Shane and shuts him out with annoying but scoring counters en route to a wide UD. -- Scott
You are so wrong, Scott. I can’t believe how many fans and members of the media are sleeping on Sugar Shane. It’s sad. It really is.
Dude, Floyd didn’t want this fight. He was forced to take it because it’s the only fight (outside of the Pacquiao showdown) that would guarantee him $15-$20 million-plus and it’s the only bout that fans and the media (including his apologists) would accept in lieu of the Pac-Man fight. Mayweather’s side wanted an immediate rematch clause in the contract. What does that tell you about his confidence going into this bout? "
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Agree with you, i was referring the other, well that was i've thinkin also that regarding Floyd.
If Shane wins or Pac wins
As Roach said it will be easier to deal with.
also we cant go wrong the expectation of the fans and media members coz they know Shane is inconsistent he could be good and sometimes goes bad recently his relying too much on his power punch his last few fight as we can see in Mayorga Shane look bad until he stop his opponent in last round, Cotto is able box him and Margarito is slouch no defense at all tailor made for him. If the fight with Shane-Floyd happens 5 or 8 years ago it will be a competitive as is.
I like Shane but a year layoff and fighting a younger defensive as Floyd could tell something.
Tho we cant go bad also in Shane this is boxing it could happen anything.
An immediate rematch is a pretty standard thing in boxing contracts. What it says to me is that Floyd is thinking if Mosley lands a million to one punch and sparks him then he's confident enough to immediately jump back in the ring with him.
Doug Fischer is a big Mosely fan.
You think Mosley's only way of winning is by landing one big punch? I see it differently. I see it as Mosley's way of winning is volume-punching because that will make it difficult for the judges to score. He is big enough that he should be able to get Floyd in range for his punches and although Floyd will undoubtedly make Mosley miss a lot, Mosley should be able to land some. And unlike in the Marquez and Hatton fights where Floyd made them miss and then hurt them, I don't see Floyd able to hurt Mosley. So as long as Mosley wins rounds by throwing more punches, he can keep the fight close and maybe steal a decision. Not that Mosley doesn't have the power to knock out Mayweather, but I can't remember the last time someone tested Mayweather's chin and don't feel comfortable saying he lacks one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Incidently, at an interview at the superbowl, Floyd claimed to know nothing about an immediate rematch cause.
Not saying he's not lying but again, don't jump to conclusions when the media is concerned. I also see it as a positive thing that there is a rematch clause. You always hear Floyd referred to as "chicken" but that doesn't seem like a chicken shit move to me if he loses.
Who's to say Mosley being the champion didn't request it anyway? Isn't a rematch usually the right of the champion?