Floyd: Manny can forget 50/50 split and 14 day cutoff date

[Mattyhitman]

Why is name calling and bashing a part of arguments here at saddo? Is it because it shields the hollowness of some arguments, or is it more the inability to stay the course of civility to express one's ideas?

These gentlemen are carrying on honourably with their sides of the argument, I have found it very enlightening so far, or at least it was...

Couldnt agree more bud

In respect to Lazcano giving Hatton fits which was mentioned earlier in the thread; The scores were 120-108, 120-110 and 118-110.

Fairly conclusive me thinks


Box on

[ElTerribleMorales]

Why is name calling and bashing a part of arguments here at saddo? Is it because it shields the hollowness of some arguments, or is it more the inability to stay the course of civility to express one's ideas?

These gentlemen are carrying on honourably with their sides of the argument, I have found it very enlightening so far, or at least it was...

Couldnt agree more bud

In respect to Lazcano giving Hatton fits which was mentioned earlier in the thread; The scores were 120-108, 120-110 and 118-110.

Fairly conclusive me thinks


Box on

the fight was also in Manchester, Lazcano had Hatton in plenty of trouble and hurt badly on several occasions, so this is a fight where the scores don't reflect what actually went on in the fight

[Gandalf]

Why is name calling and bashing a part of arguments here at saddo? Is it because it shields the hollowness of some arguments, or is it more the inability to stay the course of civility to express one's ideas?

These gentlemen are carrying on honourably with their sides of the argument, I have found it very enlightening so far, or at least it was...

Couldnt agree more bud

In respect to Lazcano giving Hatton fits which was mentioned earlier in the thread; The scores were 120-108, 120-110 and 118-110.

Fairly conclusive me thinks


Box on

the fight was also in Manchester, Lazcano had Hatton in plenty of trouble and hurt badly on several occasions, so this is a fight where the scores don't reflect what actually went on in the fight

That is nonsense. Hatton won pretty much all the rounds and you can only really make a case for Hatton losing the two rounds he got buzzed in. In that sense the scores very much reflect what went on.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Couldnt agree more bud

In respect to Lazcano giving Hatton fits which was mentioned earlier in the thread; The scores were 120-108, 120-110 and 118-110.

Fairly conclusive me thinks


Box on

the fight was also in Manchester, Lazcano had Hatton in plenty of trouble and hurt badly on several occasions, so this is a fight where the scores don't reflect what actually went on in the fight

That is nonsense. Hatton won pretty much all the rounds and you can only really make a case for Hatton losing the two rounds he got buzzed in. In that sense the scores very much reflect what went on.

i thought Hatton won it clearly,, but 120-108 my ass, i had Ricky winning 8 or 9 of the 12 rounds, and the two rounds he lost, were pretty damn ugly, giving the indication that Ricky was anything but "unbeatable" at 140, Hatton although he beat Lazcano clearly he didn't do it effortlessly as some might try to make it out

[Gandalf]

the fight was also in Manchester, Lazcano had Hatton in plenty of trouble and hurt badly on several occasions, so this is a fight where the scores don't reflect what actually went on in the fight

That is nonsense. Hatton won pretty much all the rounds and you can only really make a case for Hatton losing the two rounds he got buzzed in. In that sense the scores very much reflect what went on.

i thought Hatton won it clearly,, but 120-108 my ass, i had Ricky winning 8 or 9 of the 12 rounds, and the two rounds he lost, were pretty damn ugly, giving the indication that Ricky was anything but "unbeatable" at 140, Hatton although he beat Lazcano clearly he didn't do it effortlessly as some might try to make it out

120-108 is absurd, I only have Hatton losing two rounds in that fight though. It was a sloppy showing but still very dominant. Lazcano was crap though and chosen as a gimme, the fact that Hatton had issues with him did suggest that all was not quite so well.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Fact is, when Floyd beats Shane, die hard Pac fans will be the only people on the planet who would still have Floyd p4p #2. Floyd will be the consensus #1 fighter in the world, and we all know Mayweather-Mosley will sell more than Pacquiao-Clottey. When you're the top dog, the odds on favorite to win, AND the bigger draw, you will get, and deserve to get, more money. And people need to stop going back 4 and 5 years looking at their ppv numbers. The bigger draw means who's consistently been drawing more lately. If Freddie Roach and Manny are gonna cry that Mosley is a bigger draw than Clottey that's their own fault, since they had their pick of the litter on who Pacquiao was going to fight before Floyd and could have challenged Shane.

anyone want to elaborate on this?

Manny Pacquiao could not have chosen Shane bec. by the time his bout with Clottey was finalized, Shane was still scheduled to fight Berto. After the Pac-Mayweather bout did not materialize, Clottey was the next best available fighter at that time .

[cnote111]

I openly admit i am a die hard Pacfan and a PBF hater to the fullest..

I will say this though..

If MAY beats Mosely without a bunch of controversy attached, i will give PBF is due credit for taking the match AND beating a legitimate Welter..


But ELTERRIBLE - you have such a hate for Manny that even if he did take the tests and passed, beats PBF and Mosely you still wouldn't give him any credit... Your point of perspective is so shaded with hate its hard to take anything you say seriously...


I hate PBF and i question everything he has ever done PAST 135, but I will give him credit IF he beats Mosely..

Did you give credit to PAC for beating Cotto, are you going to give credit IF he beats Clottey... Can PAC do anything that would stand as a legitimate accomplishment to you??

[ElTerribleMorales]

I openly admit i am a die hard Pacfan and a PBF hater to the fullest..

I will say this though..

If MAY beats Mosely without a bunch of controversy attached, i will give PBF is due credit for taking the match AND beating a legitimate Welter..


But ELTERRIBLE - you have such a hate for Manny that even if he did take the tests and passed, beats PBF and Mosely you still wouldn't give him any credit... Your point of perspective is so shaded with hate its hard to take anything you say seriously...


I hate PBF and i question everything he has ever done PAST 135, but I will give him credit IF he beats Mosely..

Did you give credit to PAC for beating Cotto, are you going to give credit IF he beats Clottey... Can PAC do anything that would stand as a legitimate accomplishment to you??

dude go some other place with that bullshit, i've given Manny credit for every legit big win he's had aside from the DLH fight, he beat Hatton clearly, he beat Cotto clearly, i gave him all the credit in the world, you can even dig up my posts from after both fights, i made ZERO excuses for either guy, but the fact of the matter is, MAYWEATHER/PACQUIAO didn't happen because Pacquiao was too much of a pussy to take random bloodtests, doesn't matter how you try to flip it around it's the truth

and you're bitching and moaning about Pacquiao not getting credit? hell Mayweather could jump to HW and beat both Klitschko's back to back and yet people still would be, "Well he didn't take on Valuev!"

[cnote111]

I openly admit i am a die hard Pacfan and a PBF hater to the fullest..

I will say this though..

If MAY beats Mosely without a bunch of controversy attached, i will give PBF is due credit for taking the match AND beating a legitimate Welter..


But ELTERRIBLE - you have such a hate for Manny that even if he did take the tests and passed, beats PBF and Mosely you still wouldn't give him any credit... Your point of perspective is so shaded with hate its hard to take anything you say seriously...


I hate PBF and i question everything he has ever done PAST 135, but I will give him credit IF he beats Mosely..

Did you give credit to PAC for beating Cotto, are you going to give credit IF he beats Clottey... Can PAC do anything that would stand as a legitimate accomplishment to you??

dude go some other place with that bullshit, i've given Manny credit for every legit big win he's had aside from the DLH fight, he beat Hatton clearly, he beat Cotto clearly, i gave him all the credit in the world, you can even dig up my posts from after both fights, i made ZERO excuses for either guy, but the fact of the matter is, MAYWEATHER/PACQUIAO didn't happen because Pacquiao was too much of a pussy to take random bloodtests, doesn't matter how you try to flip it around it's the truth

and you're bitching and moaning about Pacquiao not getting credit? hell Mayweather could jump to HW and beat both Klitschko's back to back and yet people still would be, "Well he didn't take on Valuev!"

I'm not bitching and moaning, maybe my timing of seeing your posts was during all of the PBF/PAC debacle... You are one sensitive dude! I'm sure the PAC hate posts you have dished out have clearly outweighed the Credit you've given... I might have to dig one up to see if you actually have given credit when credit is due..

Now onto your second statement about how MAY could jump to HW and beat both Klitschkos and yet "people" still wouldn't give MAY credit... Isn't what you are saying the the exact same thing you just accused me of bitching and moaning about?

Your anger drives you on these boards, go get'em dawg! Make these so called "people" pay with how right and justified you are with all of your ranting! YOU ARE THE MAN!!!

[Mattyhitman]

the fight was also in Manchester, Lazcano had Hatton in plenty of trouble and hurt badly on several occasions, so this is a fight where the scores don't reflect what actually went on in the fight

That is nonsense. Hatton won pretty much all the rounds and you can only really make a case for Hatton losing the two rounds he got buzzed in. In that sense the scores very much reflect what went on.

i thought Hatton won it clearly,, but 120-108 my ass, i had Ricky winning 8 or 9 of the 12 rounds, and the two rounds he lost, were pretty damn ugly, giving the indication that Ricky was anything but "unbeatable" at 140, Hatton although he beat Lazcano clearly he didn't do it effortlessly as some might try to make it out

So what ya saying is Ricky loses 2 maybe 3rds of a 12rd fight and thats not convincing enough for ya It's a boxing match he will get hit, and as we know he does, the is not many fights Ricky has been in that he hasnt been hit hard !

It's the contradiction that gets me, earlier in this thread you said Lazcano gave Ricky ' the fight of his life ' , now ya saying he won clearly but for 2-3rds

[ElTerribleMorales]

I openly admit i am a die hard Pacfan and a PBF hater to the fullest..

I will say this though..

If MAY beats Mosely without a bunch of controversy attached, i will give PBF is due credit for taking the match AND beating a legitimate Welter..


But ELTERRIBLE - you have such a hate for Manny that even if he did take the tests and passed, beats PBF and Mosely you still wouldn't give him any credit... Your point of perspective is so shaded with hate its hard to take anything you say seriously...


I hate PBF and i question everything he has ever done PAST 135, but I will give him credit IF he beats Mosely..

Did you give credit to PAC for beating Cotto, are you going to give credit IF he beats Clottey... Can PAC do anything that would stand as a legitimate accomplishment to you??

dude go some other place with that bullshit, i've given Manny credit for every legit big win he's had aside from the DLH fight, he beat Hatton clearly, he beat Cotto clearly, i gave him all the credit in the world, you can even dig up my posts from after both fights, i made ZERO excuses for either guy, but the fact of the matter is, MAYWEATHER/PACQUIAO didn't happen because Pacquiao was too much of a pussy to take random bloodtests, doesn't matter how you try to flip it around it's the truth

and you're bitching and moaning about Pacquiao not getting credit? hell Mayweather could jump to HW and beat both Klitschko's back to back and yet people still would be, "Well he didn't take on Valuev!"

I'm not bitching and moaning, maybe my timing of seeing your posts was during all of the PBF/PAC debacle... You are one sensitive dude! I'm sure the PAC hate posts you have dished out have clearly outweighed the Credit you've given... I might have to dig one up to see if you actually have given credit when credit is due..

Now onto your second statement about how MAY could jump to HW and beat both Klitschkos and yet "people" still wouldn't give MAY credit... Isn't what you are saying the the exact same thing you just accused me of bitching and moaning about?

Your anger drives you on these boards, go get'em dawg! Make these so called "people" pay with how right and justified you are with all of your ranting! YOU ARE THE MAN!!!

that's the thing, most of you Pactards want Manny to get some special treatment, as if everyone has to like his ass, that everyone has to watch in awe, and if someone says one damn negative thing about him what happens? you're a "hater", yet when people do the same damned thing with any other fighter you get offended that people call you out on it, i'm no Mayweather fan, i don't give two flying fucks if people don't give him the credit he deserves, just don't get pissy when the same thing happens to your man Pacquiao, cause like it or not, he himself has tainted his own legacy

[cnote111]

@ElTerrible - I didn't do to much digging, but i did see you gave PAC props so i will retract my original statement; however, i also saw that you stated you are not a PAC Hater and that just killed all my hopes for your level of honesty... You are very much a PAC Hater... :FACT:

[cnote111]

dude go some other place with that bullshit, i've given Manny credit for every legit big win he's had aside from the DLH fight, he beat Hatton clearly, he beat Cotto clearly, i gave him all the credit in the world, you can even dig up my posts from after both fights, i made ZERO excuses for either guy, but the fact of the matter is, MAYWEATHER/PACQUIAO didn't happen because Pacquiao was too much of a pussy to take random bloodtests, doesn't matter how you try to flip it around it's the truth

and you're bitching and moaning about Pacquiao not getting credit? hell Mayweather could jump to HW and beat both Klitschko's back to back and yet people still would be, "Well he didn't take on Valuev!"

I'm not bitching and moaning, maybe my timing of seeing your posts was during all of the PBF/PAC debacle... You are one sensitive dude! I'm sure the PAC hate posts you have dished out have clearly outweighed the Credit you've given... I might have to dig one up to see if you actually have given credit when credit is due..

Now onto your second statement about how MAY could jump to HW and beat both Klitschkos and yet "people" still wouldn't give MAY credit... Isn't what you are saying the the exact same thing you just accused me of bitching and moaning about?

Your anger drives you on these boards, go get'em dawg! Make these so called "people" pay with how right and justified you are with all of your ranting! YOU ARE THE MAN!!!

that's the thing, most of you Pactards want Manny to get some special treatment, as if everyone has to like his ass, that everyone has to watch in awe, and if someone says one damn negative thing about him what happens? you're a "hater", yet when people do the same damned thing with any other fighter you get offended that people call you out on it, i'm no Mayweather fan, i don't give two flying fucks if people don't give him the credit he deserves, just don't get pissy when the same thing happens to your man Pacquiao, cause like it or not, he himself has tainted his own legacy

What special Treatment

I actually like your statement, i agree with what you are trying to say... Your problem is you can't understand that people will defend there favorite as much as they can and attack the ones they hate. You have gone out of your way to state your position on the PAC/PBF debacle, and for every "Pactard" you have attacked you have equally defended a fighter others hate... You've done everything that you attack others for... Isn't there a word that?


Let me put it this way: I was a deluded Vargas fan for a long time, and i defended him tooth and nail.. THEN he proved to me that he was not worth backing any longer (for multiple reasons). PACQUIAO on the other hand has done more than enough to have a dedicated fan base, and nothing to have haters attack his every move. IF Pac did fail a drug test, i would immediately stop rooting for him, but NOT taking the test seems to be good enough for you to attack him and his his fans to no end..

[generalbulldog]

Who gives a shit if someone likes Manny or not, it's their prerogative to not like any fighter they want.

But I will say something about the fight with Cotto, there was a thread here before the fight that half of the board predicted Cotto would win. After the fight those same people backing Cotto said he was shot from the Margarito beating and weight drained. That was the excuse used.

But I did give Manny his due for that fight and I didn't believe the excuses.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Who gives a shit if someone likes Manny or not, it's their prerogative to not like any fighter they want.

But I will say something about the fight with Cotto, there was a thread here before the fight that half of the board predicted Cotto would win. After the fight those same people backing Cotto said he was shot from the Margarito beating and weight drained. That was the excuse used.

But I did give Manny his due for that fight and I didn't believe the excuses.

look up my posts and in not one did i say that Margarito ruined Cotto, only thing i said was that Cotto's corner didn't help the matter much and that if he ever hopes to bounce back he better get new people around him