I think Roach will pit Khan with JMM after the Maidana fight. Hopefully JMM won't duck him again.
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I think Roach will pit Khan with JMM after the Maidana fight. Hopefully JMM won't duck him again.
and he did it effortlessly...at 37, Hatton was countered all night by a guy who's not a counter puncher in Pacquiao, Marquez is probably THE BEST counter puncher alive today, he would catch Hatton and counter him all night, he has a sturdy enough chin to take Hatton's shots, and he has the uppercut which Hatton has always been open for, it's not even in theory, Marquez would destroy Hatton, and yea he already released a statement saying he'd go all the way up to 147 to fight Pacquiao so he's not the one holding up a possible fight, that'd be Manny who's looking to fight Floyd's leftovers once againQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Actually you are right I forgot JMM did weigh in at 145, therfor he shouldnt have any problem leaving 135 and fighting at 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesummm did you not watch the Katsidis fight? Marquez was at 145 lbs on fight night, he didn't look any slower and his timing was definitely not off, he would wreck HattonQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainthats if JMM is himself at 140. If his timing is off and he is slowed by the extra weight, ricky could bully him for 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesif Pacquiao was able to counter Hatton the way he did, Marquez would have done it just the same, only difference is he would have taken his time doing it and stopped Hatton a bit later around the 8th or 9th, no doubt in my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI love Katsidis but Ricky Hatton did make Koysta quit. I dont know about JMM being able to school ricky and stop him at 140. JMM has never even fought at that weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
What I am trying to tell you is Hatton may look shit now but Katsidis and Juan Diaz are a level below Ricky and the fact that Ricky is bigger and stronger.
JMM whooped Diaz and Katsidis that doesn't mean he'll do the same to Hatton. Different animal Ricky is/was.
Khan is finally fighting Maidana basically cause he had no other choice (well unless he wanted to sit out and wait till after Alexander/Bradley), Marquez has never ducked anyone, and if anyone would be the coward it'd be Khan for looking to fight a smaller guy in Marquez (or Morales as he and Roach were looking for) instead of guys like Bradley, Alexander, Ortiz, or anyone at 140 or aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
Its funny cause your theory is that JMM is a better counter puncher then pac so that means JMM will beat hatton too. Well Floyd is a better counter puncher then all and even him didnt have such an easy time with Hatton before he did stop Hatton. We saw JMM fight above 135 once, granted it was against the best boxer (floyd) but he did not look as good. Your telling me JMM would go up to 140 and treat Hatton like he treated Diaz and Katsidis. Easy for you to say but would not be easy for JMM to do. How about we wait and see if JMM fight guys above 135 first.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesand he did it effortlessly...at 37, Hatton was countered all night by a guy who's not a counter puncher in Pacquiao, Marquez is probably THE BEST counter puncher alive today, he would catch Hatton and counter him all night, he has a sturdy enough chin to take Hatton's shots, and he has the uppercut which Hatton has always been open for, it's not even in theory, Marquez would destroy Hatton, and yea he already released a statement saying he'd go all the way up to 147 to fight Pacquiao so he's not the one holding up a possible fight, that'd be Manny who's looking to fight Floyd's leftovers once againQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainActually you are right I forgot JMM did weigh in at 145, therfor he shouldnt have any problem leaving 135 and fighting at 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesummm did you not watch the Katsidis fight? Marquez was at 145 lbs on fight night, he didn't look any slower and his timing was definitely not off, he would wreck HattonQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainthats if JMM is himself at 140. If his timing is off and he is slowed by the extra weight, ricky could bully him for 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesif Pacquiao was able to counter Hatton the way he did, Marquez would have done it just the same, only difference is he would have taken his time doing it and stopped Hatton a bit later around the 8th or 9th, no doubt in my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI love Katsidis but Ricky Hatton did make Koysta quit. I dont know about JMM being able to school ricky and stop him at 140. JMM has never even fought at that weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
What I am trying to tell you is Hatton may look shit now but Katsidis and Juan Diaz are a level below Ricky and the fact that Ricky is bigger and stronger.
JMM whooped Diaz and Katsidis that doesn't mean he'll do the same to Hatton. Different animal Ricky is/was.
Khan is finally fighting Maidana basically cause he had no other choice (well unless he wanted to sit out and wait till after Alexander/Bradley), Marquez has never ducked anyone, and if anyone would be the coward it'd be Khan for looking to fight a smaller guy in Marquez (or Morales as he and Roach were looking for) instead of guys like Bradley, Alexander, Ortiz, or anyone at 140 or aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
I was never a Hatton fan and thought he was overrated, but he is bigger and stronger than guys like Katsidis and Juan Diaz. Beating Katsidis and Juan Diaz doesn't mean you beat another bigger and stronger guy at another division.
And just because Pacquiao did it, doesn't mean JMM can do it also. By that logic JMM can be good over 140+ and beat guys like Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito because you know his rival did it and JMM beat guys like Diaz and Katsidis.
julius,
silly goose, ;D there is a BIG difference between a mayweather jr. and hatton. although hatton took mayweather jr. into the later rounds, so what! mayweather jr. is a patient boxer. ricky hatton has the style marquez loves to fight against. a come forward, slow guy with little skills and no defense. the reason hatton was so successful in his career was that the fighters he fought didn't know how to handle his pressure and wilted like little lillies. marquez is a very smart fighter and would work up a great gameplan to beat hatton convincingly. i can just see hatton trying to pressure marquez, ala katsidis, and get masterfully broken down and either beaten by TKO or losing a wide UD.
Marquez was offered to Hatton for a fight. He turned it down. Smart boy. Hatton himself knows he has no chance against a fighter as great as Marquez. Hatton has always been a limited fighter. But his youth, determination and heart got him through. It's the reason for his career success. Now a days things are different. His youth (at least in boxing years) is gone. He's still very determine. But it's a different determination. Before where he was determined to cave his opponents ribs in. Today he's only determined to eat as many ribs as possible. And his heart is on it's last legs. Years of booze, drugs and gravy have taken it's toll. Marquez-Hatton gets made today. Hatton doesn't make it out the first round
Mayweather also fought Hatton when he was undefeated, and Mayweather is a defensive fighter so obviously he wasn't going to go in there balls to the wall trying to get the KO, if you wanna try and pull that shit, than in theory Mayweather should have no problem with Pacquiao seeing how Manny has never clearly beaten Marquez (in fact Pacquiao should be 0-2 against JMM) and Mayweather beat him effortlessly, he could have stopped him at any point by from round 3 onwards and didn't for God knows what reason, styles make fights, and it's a bit obvious that Hatton's style is made perfectly for Marquez, it's a guy who now just comes forward with little head movement and doesn't bother putting his shots together, it's not rocket science, Marquez would slaughter himQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainIts funny cause your theory is that JMM is a better counter puncher then pac so that means JMM will beat hatton too. Well Floyd is a better counter puncher then all and even him didnt have such an easy time with Hatton before he did stop Hatton. We saw JMM fight above 135 once, granted it was against the best boxer (floyd) but he did not look as good. Your telling me JMM would go up to 140 and treat Hatton like he treated Diaz and Katsidis. Easy for you to say but would not be easy for JMM to do. How about we wait and see if JMM fight guys above 135 first.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesand he did it effortlessly...at 37, Hatton was countered all night by a guy who's not a counter puncher in Pacquiao, Marquez is probably THE BEST counter puncher alive today, he would catch Hatton and counter him all night, he has a sturdy enough chin to take Hatton's shots, and he has the uppercut which Hatton has always been open for, it's not even in theory, Marquez would destroy Hatton, and yea he already released a statement saying he'd go all the way up to 147 to fight Pacquiao so he's not the one holding up a possible fight, that'd be Manny who's looking to fight Floyd's leftovers once againQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainActually you are right I forgot JMM did weigh in at 145, therfor he shouldnt have any problem leaving 135 and fighting at 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesummm did you not watch the Katsidis fight? Marquez was at 145 lbs on fight night, he didn't look any slower and his timing was definitely not off, he would wreck HattonQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainthats if JMM is himself at 140. If his timing is off and he is slowed by the extra weight, ricky could bully him for 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesif Pacquiao was able to counter Hatton the way he did, Marquez would have done it just the same, only difference is he would have taken his time doing it and stopped Hatton a bit later around the 8th or 9th, no doubt in my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI love Katsidis but Ricky Hatton did make Koysta quit. I dont know about JMM being able to school ricky and stop him at 140. JMM has never even fought at that weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
What I am trying to tell you is Hatton may look shit now but Katsidis and Juan Diaz are a level below Ricky and the fact that Ricky is bigger and stronger.
JMM whooped Diaz and Katsidis that doesn't mean he'll do the same to Hatton. Different animal Ricky is/was.
Khan is finally fighting Maidana basically cause he had no other choice (well unless he wanted to sit out and wait till after Alexander/Bradley), Marquez has never ducked anyone, and if anyone would be the coward it'd be Khan for looking to fight a smaller guy in Marquez (or Morales as he and Roach were looking for) instead of guys like Bradley, Alexander, Ortiz, or anyone at 140 or aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
wow you're relentless, how often are you right with your prediction for you to be so assure of who would win. Specially the fact that JMM has not proven himself above 135. We are likely talking about two different Hatton. I am talking about the Hatton before he retired. Todays Hatton is shitty, he wont even make 140 again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesMayweather also fought Hatton when he was undefeated, and Mayweather is a defensive fighter so obviously he wasn't going to go in there balls to the wall trying to get the KO, if you wanna try and pull that shit, than in theory Mayweather should have no problem with Pacquiao seeing how Manny has never clearly beaten Marquez (in fact Pacquiao should be 0-2 against JMM) and Mayweather beat him effortlessly, he could have stopped him at any point by from round 3 onwards and didn't for God knows what reason, styles make fights, and it's a bit obvious that Hatton's style is made perfectly for Marquez, it's a guy who now just comes forward with little head movement and doesn't bother putting his shots together, it's not rocket science, Marquez would slaughter himQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainIts funny cause your theory is that JMM is a better counter puncher then pac so that means JMM will beat hatton too. Well Floyd is a better counter puncher then all and even him didnt have such an easy time with Hatton before he did stop Hatton. We saw JMM fight above 135 once, granted it was against the best boxer (floyd) but he did not look as good. Your telling me JMM would go up to 140 and treat Hatton like he treated Diaz and Katsidis. Easy for you to say but would not be easy for JMM to do. How about we wait and see if JMM fight guys above 135 first.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesand he did it effortlessly...at 37, Hatton was countered all night by a guy who's not a counter puncher in Pacquiao, Marquez is probably THE BEST counter puncher alive today, he would catch Hatton and counter him all night, he has a sturdy enough chin to take Hatton's shots, and he has the uppercut which Hatton has always been open for, it's not even in theory, Marquez would destroy Hatton, and yea he already released a statement saying he'd go all the way up to 147 to fight Pacquiao so he's not the one holding up a possible fight, that'd be Manny who's looking to fight Floyd's leftovers once againQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainActually you are right I forgot JMM did weigh in at 145, therfor he shouldnt have any problem leaving 135 and fighting at 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesummm did you not watch the Katsidis fight? Marquez was at 145 lbs on fight night, he didn't look any slower and his timing was definitely not off, he would wreck HattonQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainthats if JMM is himself at 140. If his timing is off and he is slowed by the extra weight, ricky could bully him for 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesif Pacquiao was able to counter Hatton the way he did, Marquez would have done it just the same, only difference is he would have taken his time doing it and stopped Hatton a bit later around the 8th or 9th, no doubt in my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI love Katsidis but Ricky Hatton did make Koysta quit. I dont know about JMM being able to school ricky and stop him at 140. JMM has never even fought at that weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
What I am trying to tell you is Hatton may look shit now but Katsidis and Juan Diaz are a level below Ricky and the fact that Ricky is bigger and stronger.
JMM whooped Diaz and Katsidis that doesn't mean he'll do the same to Hatton. Different animal Ricky is/was.
Khan is finally fighting Maidana basically cause he had no other choice (well unless he wanted to sit out and wait till after Alexander/Bradley), Marquez has never ducked anyone, and if anyone would be the coward it'd be Khan for looking to fight a smaller guy in Marquez (or Morales as he and Roach were looking for) instead of guys like Bradley, Alexander, Ortiz, or anyone at 140 or aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
You mention that Floyd would do better against Pac since JMM did so well against Pac. You are totally missing the fkxcing point! JMM as good as he is has not proven himself above 135 and you are saying he would of beaten the lineal championg Ricky Hatton at 140!!!!????
Do you also think JMM can go up above 140 and dominate Cotto, up to 147 and dominate Clottey, up to 150 and dominate Margarito just because he did so well against Pac and Pac had done it?
Do you also think Pac has no chance of winning against Floyd because when JMM fought Floyd at 144 JMM had zero chance in winning, so I guess everyone should think Pac has zero chance against floyd too right genious?
are you seriously that dense? ummm i'm not even gonna bother with you Julius cause you do the same fucking thing time and time again, you nit pick bits of info trying to build up a strong case for Manny, yet when someone knocks it down, using the same info you provided you pull in random bits of bullshit, you said it yourself you're not a boxing fan, you're a Pacquiao nuttlover, to each his ownQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainwow you're relentless, how often are you right with your prediction for you to be so assure of who would win. Specially the fact that JMM has not proven himself above 135. We are likely talking about two different Hatton. I am talking about the Hatton before he retired. Todays Hatton is shitty, he wont even make 140 again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesMayweather also fought Hatton when he was undefeated, and Mayweather is a defensive fighter so obviously he wasn't going to go in there balls to the wall trying to get the KO, if you wanna try and pull that shit, than in theory Mayweather should have no problem with Pacquiao seeing how Manny has never clearly beaten Marquez (in fact Pacquiao should be 0-2 against JMM) and Mayweather beat him effortlessly, he could have stopped him at any point by from round 3 onwards and didn't for God knows what reason, styles make fights, and it's a bit obvious that Hatton's style is made perfectly for Marquez, it's a guy who now just comes forward with little head movement and doesn't bother putting his shots together, it's not rocket science, Marquez would slaughter himQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainIts funny cause your theory is that JMM is a better counter puncher then pac so that means JMM will beat hatton too. Well Floyd is a better counter puncher then all and even him didnt have such an easy time with Hatton before he did stop Hatton. We saw JMM fight above 135 once, granted it was against the best boxer (floyd) but he did not look as good. Your telling me JMM would go up to 140 and treat Hatton like he treated Diaz and Katsidis. Easy for you to say but would not be easy for JMM to do. How about we wait and see if JMM fight guys above 135 first.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesand he did it effortlessly...at 37, Hatton was countered all night by a guy who's not a counter puncher in Pacquiao, Marquez is probably THE BEST counter puncher alive today, he would catch Hatton and counter him all night, he has a sturdy enough chin to take Hatton's shots, and he has the uppercut which Hatton has always been open for, it's not even in theory, Marquez would destroy Hatton, and yea he already released a statement saying he'd go all the way up to 147 to fight Pacquiao so he's not the one holding up a possible fight, that'd be Manny who's looking to fight Floyd's leftovers once againQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainActually you are right I forgot JMM did weigh in at 145, therfor he shouldnt have any problem leaving 135 and fighting at 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesummm did you not watch the Katsidis fight? Marquez was at 145 lbs on fight night, he didn't look any slower and his timing was definitely not off, he would wreck HattonQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainthats if JMM is himself at 140. If his timing is off and he is slowed by the extra weight, ricky could bully him for 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesif Pacquiao was able to counter Hatton the way he did, Marquez would have done it just the same, only difference is he would have taken his time doing it and stopped Hatton a bit later around the 8th or 9th, no doubt in my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI love Katsidis but Ricky Hatton did make Koysta quit. I dont know about JMM being able to school ricky and stop him at 140. JMM has never even fought at that weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
What I am trying to tell you is Hatton may look shit now but Katsidis and Juan Diaz are a level below Ricky and the fact that Ricky is bigger and stronger.
JMM whooped Diaz and Katsidis that doesn't mean he'll do the same to Hatton. Different animal Ricky is/was.
Khan is finally fighting Maidana basically cause he had no other choice (well unless he wanted to sit out and wait till after Alexander/Bradley), Marquez has never ducked anyone, and if anyone would be the coward it'd be Khan for looking to fight a smaller guy in Marquez (or Morales as he and Roach were looking for) instead of guys like Bradley, Alexander, Ortiz, or anyone at 140 or aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
You mention that Floyd would do better against Pac since JMM did so well against Pac. You are totally missing the fkxcing point! JMM as good as he is has not proven himself above 135 and you are saying he would of beaten the lineal championg Ricky Hatton at 140!!!!????
Do you also think JMM can go up above 140 and dominate Cotto, up to 147 and dominate Clottey, up to 150 and dominate Margarito just because he did so well against Pac and Pac had done it?
Do you also think Pac has no chance of winning against Floyd because when JMM fought Floyd at 144 JMM had zero chance in winning, so I guess everyone should think Pac has zero chance against floyd too right genious?
now your really make shit up, when did i say i was not a boxing fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesare you seriously that dense? ummm i'm not even gonna bother with you Julius cause you do the same fucking thing time and time again, you nit pick bits of info trying to build up a strong case for Manny, yet when someone knocks it down, using the same info you provided you pull in random bits of bullshit, you said it yourself you're not a boxing fan, you're a Pacquiao nuttlover, to each his ownQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainwow you're relentless, how often are you right with your prediction for you to be so assure of who would win. Specially the fact that JMM has not proven himself above 135. We are likely talking about two different Hatton. I am talking about the Hatton before he retired. Todays Hatton is shitty, he wont even make 140 again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesMayweather also fought Hatton when he was undefeated, and Mayweather is a defensive fighter so obviously he wasn't going to go in there balls to the wall trying to get the KO, if you wanna try and pull that shit, than in theory Mayweather should have no problem with Pacquiao seeing how Manny has never clearly beaten Marquez (in fact Pacquiao should be 0-2 against JMM) and Mayweather beat him effortlessly, he could have stopped him at any point by from round 3 onwards and didn't for God knows what reason, styles make fights, and it's a bit obvious that Hatton's style is made perfectly for Marquez, it's a guy who now just comes forward with little head movement and doesn't bother putting his shots together, it's not rocket science, Marquez would slaughter himQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainIts funny cause your theory is that JMM is a better counter puncher then pac so that means JMM will beat hatton too. Well Floyd is a better counter puncher then all and even him didnt have such an easy time with Hatton before he did stop Hatton. We saw JMM fight above 135 once, granted it was against the best boxer (floyd) but he did not look as good. Your telling me JMM would go up to 140 and treat Hatton like he treated Diaz and Katsidis. Easy for you to say but would not be easy for JMM to do. How about we wait and see if JMM fight guys above 135 first.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesand he did it effortlessly...at 37, Hatton was countered all night by a guy who's not a counter puncher in Pacquiao, Marquez is probably THE BEST counter puncher alive today, he would catch Hatton and counter him all night, he has a sturdy enough chin to take Hatton's shots, and he has the uppercut which Hatton has always been open for, it's not even in theory, Marquez would destroy Hatton, and yea he already released a statement saying he'd go all the way up to 147 to fight Pacquiao so he's not the one holding up a possible fight, that'd be Manny who's looking to fight Floyd's leftovers once againQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainActually you are right I forgot JMM did weigh in at 145, therfor he shouldnt have any problem leaving 135 and fighting at 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesummm did you not watch the Katsidis fight? Marquez was at 145 lbs on fight night, he didn't look any slower and his timing was definitely not off, he would wreck HattonQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainthats if JMM is himself at 140. If his timing is off and he is slowed by the extra weight, ricky could bully him for 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesif Pacquiao was able to counter Hatton the way he did, Marquez would have done it just the same, only difference is he would have taken his time doing it and stopped Hatton a bit later around the 8th or 9th, no doubt in my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI love Katsidis but Ricky Hatton did make Koysta quit. I dont know about JMM being able to school ricky and stop him at 140. JMM has never even fought at that weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
What I am trying to tell you is Hatton may look shit now but Katsidis and Juan Diaz are a level below Ricky and the fact that Ricky is bigger and stronger.
JMM whooped Diaz and Katsidis that doesn't mean he'll do the same to Hatton. Different animal Ricky is/was.
Khan is finally fighting Maidana basically cause he had no other choice (well unless he wanted to sit out and wait till after Alexander/Bradley), Marquez has never ducked anyone, and if anyone would be the coward it'd be Khan for looking to fight a smaller guy in Marquez (or Morales as he and Roach were looking for) instead of guys like Bradley, Alexander, Ortiz, or anyone at 140 or aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
You mention that Floyd would do better against Pac since JMM did so well against Pac. You are totally missing the fkxcing point! JMM as good as he is has not proven himself above 135 and you are saying he would of beaten the lineal championg Ricky Hatton at 140!!!!????
Do you also think JMM can go up above 140 and dominate Cotto, up to 147 and dominate Clottey, up to 150 and dominate Margarito just because he did so well against Pac and Pac had done it?
Do you also think Pac has no chance of winning against Floyd because when JMM fought Floyd at 144 JMM had zero chance in winning, so I guess everyone should think Pac has zero chance against floyd too right genious?
And between me and you who mention pac first? Yea exactly stfu.
question should be who did worse, and that is marquez. he got knocked down and didn't get a single round. mosley almost had floyd in the 2nd.
all this crap about whom did better against whom really is a mute point when we're talking about pacquiao and mayweather jr. because when they do fight, mayweather jr. is going to win hands down. he's going to dominate pacquiao like he's dominated all his opponents, give or take a couple. pacquiao, while he's a great offensive fighter, has no defense and that's going to be his undoing against the ultra smart, ultra quick and the ultra counter puncher, mayweather jr.. until pacquiao fights somebody not drained, old, slow etc...he's always going to have his doubters. there's a reason why roach and arum have not put him in with younger, in their prime boxers. and that's because they know pacquiao has limitations too, and they're just trying to make as much money with him, which isn't such a bad idea. but still, until he beats young, in their prime strong bucks, i will always say he's been carefully pitted against fighters who he has great advantages over. case in point, instead of picking a young, strong, powerful fighter like andre berto, instead of testing marquez again, they take the safe route again against an old, way out of prime mosley. boxing fans and boxing writers are beginning to see this pattern and it's starting to hurt pacquiao's credibility as the GOAT!!!
Why Judah wasn't mention in this thread?
Can Judah beat JMM at this stage in there career?
Milmascaras, Hatton in his prime was better than Kastidis in his prime and Juan Diaz in his prime. Not even a question. Don't forget that Hatton did better against Mayweather than Marquez did. Hatton actually won a couple of rounds. Marquez didn't win one second of one round. Literally. I like Marquez too, but that was one crappy performance. No two ways about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
What you're saying is that Marquez could beat Hatton at 140 or 147 now, yet at the same time, you say Pacquiao must come down in weight to fight Marquez. Explain that please.
rant,
never said marquez could beat hatton at 147 but i do think he would give him a nice boxing lesson at 140. it doesn't matter that hatton did better than marquez vs. mayweather. two different situations. mayweather jr. is not a brawler but a very precise counterpuncher. marquez is also a counterpuncher but throws much more combinations than hatton. mayweather beats you will pop shots and great defense while marquez can beat you up with a vast array of punches. and seriously, marquez might have not won a single round vs. mayweather but he was trying and he was throwing punches. it wasn't an ass beating like when mayweather destroyed the late arturo gatti. now that was a demolition. at least marquez tried to make a fight out of it.
You've seen me post it many times, I think the fight that would give Pacquiao the most credibility is one against Tim Bradley even if it is at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
It doesn't make any sense to fight Andre Berto now. We've gone over this before. He doesn't sell any tickets and he hasn't won a sufficiently big fight to deserve a Pacquiao fight. In his biggest fight, against Collazo, he fell far short of a dominating performance. He needs a couple of big wins.
Marquez needs to win a big fight at 140 or 147 at this point. Then he should fight Pacquiao. This is because he was humiliated in his one trip North of 140. If he wanted the Pacquiao fight so badly, he should have chosen a top opponent at 140 or 147 for his last fight. I understand it was his mandatory, but if he wanted to fight the best guy in the world at 147, why not just vacate the belt and fight someone at 140 or 147? Why didn't he call out Shane? Instead he chose to remain at 135, which leads me to believe that his team doesn't think he is effective above lightweight. Marquez should call out Amir Khan or Tim Bradley. He beats one of them and there is no argument that he deserves the Pacquiao fight. Agreed?
Who is a better opponent for Pacquiao at 147 - Shane or Marquez? I'm not sure. They each have their positives and negatives. I will say this until I see Marquez beat someone notable above 140: at 147, Shane would beat Marquez.
thing is Pacquiao didn't beat Hatton in his prime either, only Floyd did thatQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratMilmascaras, Hatton in his prime was better than Kastidis in his prime and Juan Diaz in his prime. Not even a question. Don't forget that Hatton did better against Mayweather than Marquez did. Hatton actually won a couple of rounds. Marquez didn't win one second of one round. Literally. I like Marquez too, but that was one crappy performance. No two ways about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
What you're saying is that Marquez could beat Hatton at 140 or 147 now, yet at the same time, you say Pacquiao must come down in weight to fight Marquez. Explain that please.
you admitted to not having seen one of the biggest fights of the year (Mayweather/Mosley) and call any strategic fight "boring", only post on here whenever something goes on including Manny, such as his win over Margacheato and ummm obviously now that Marquez and Mosley are the two front runners to face Pacquiao (what a shock they're also Mayweather's last two opponents :rolleyes:), you try to hide your motives behind this thread but as always you're transparent as everQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainnow your really make shit up, when did i say i was not a boxing fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesare you seriously that dense? ummm i'm not even gonna bother with you Julius cause you do the same fucking thing time and time again, you nit pick bits of info trying to build up a strong case for Manny, yet when someone knocks it down, using the same info you provided you pull in random bits of bullshit, you said it yourself you're not a boxing fan, you're a Pacquiao nuttlover, to each his ownQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainwow you're relentless, how often are you right with your prediction for you to be so assure of who would win. Specially the fact that JMM has not proven himself above 135. We are likely talking about two different Hatton. I am talking about the Hatton before he retired. Todays Hatton is shitty, he wont even make 140 again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesMayweather also fought Hatton when he was undefeated, and Mayweather is a defensive fighter so obviously he wasn't going to go in there balls to the wall trying to get the KO, if you wanna try and pull that shit, than in theory Mayweather should have no problem with Pacquiao seeing how Manny has never clearly beaten Marquez (in fact Pacquiao should be 0-2 against JMM) and Mayweather beat him effortlessly, he could have stopped him at any point by from round 3 onwards and didn't for God knows what reason, styles make fights, and it's a bit obvious that Hatton's style is made perfectly for Marquez, it's a guy who now just comes forward with little head movement and doesn't bother putting his shots together, it's not rocket science, Marquez would slaughter himQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainIts funny cause your theory is that JMM is a better counter puncher then pac so that means JMM will beat hatton too. Well Floyd is a better counter puncher then all and even him didnt have such an easy time with Hatton before he did stop Hatton. We saw JMM fight above 135 once, granted it was against the best boxer (floyd) but he did not look as good. Your telling me JMM would go up to 140 and treat Hatton like he treated Diaz and Katsidis. Easy for you to say but would not be easy for JMM to do. How about we wait and see if JMM fight guys above 135 first.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesand he did it effortlessly...at 37, Hatton was countered all night by a guy who's not a counter puncher in Pacquiao, Marquez is probably THE BEST counter puncher alive today, he would catch Hatton and counter him all night, he has a sturdy enough chin to take Hatton's shots, and he has the uppercut which Hatton has always been open for, it's not even in theory, Marquez would destroy Hatton, and yea he already released a statement saying he'd go all the way up to 147 to fight Pacquiao so he's not the one holding up a possible fight, that'd be Manny who's looking to fight Floyd's leftovers once againQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainActually you are right I forgot JMM did weigh in at 145, therfor he shouldnt have any problem leaving 135 and fighting at 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesummm did you not watch the Katsidis fight? Marquez was at 145 lbs on fight night, he didn't look any slower and his timing was definitely not off, he would wreck HattonQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainthats if JMM is himself at 140. If his timing is off and he is slowed by the extra weight, ricky could bully him for 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesif Pacquiao was able to counter Hatton the way he did, Marquez would have done it just the same, only difference is he would have taken his time doing it and stopped Hatton a bit later around the 8th or 9th, no doubt in my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI love Katsidis but Ricky Hatton did make Koysta quit. I dont know about JMM being able to school ricky and stop him at 140. JMM has never even fought at that weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
What I am trying to tell you is Hatton may look shit now but Katsidis and Juan Diaz are a level below Ricky and the fact that Ricky is bigger and stronger.
JMM whooped Diaz and Katsidis that doesn't mean he'll do the same to Hatton. Different animal Ricky is/was.
Khan is finally fighting Maidana basically cause he had no other choice (well unless he wanted to sit out and wait till after Alexander/Bradley), Marquez has never ducked anyone, and if anyone would be the coward it'd be Khan for looking to fight a smaller guy in Marquez (or Morales as he and Roach were looking for) instead of guys like Bradley, Alexander, Ortiz, or anyone at 140 or aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
You mention that Floyd would do better against Pac since JMM did so well against Pac. You are totally missing the fkxcing point! JMM as good as he is has not proven himself above 135 and you are saying he would of beaten the lineal championg Ricky Hatton at 140!!!!????
Do you also think JMM can go up above 140 and dominate Cotto, up to 147 and dominate Clottey, up to 150 and dominate Margarito just because he did so well against Pac and Pac had done it?
Do you also think Pac has no chance of winning against Floyd because when JMM fought Floyd at 144 JMM had zero chance in winning, so I guess everyone should think Pac has zero chance against floyd too right genious?
And between me and you who mention pac first? Yea exactly stfu.
i can see it now, your next couple posts will be the infamous "oh well you're a hater" posts again...
Is Billy Graham training fighter?
You're wrong again and again you make more shit up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyou admitted to not having seen one of the biggest fights of the year (Mayweather/Mosley) and call any strategic fight "boring", only post on here whenever something goes on including Manny, such as his win over Margacheato and ummm obviously now that Marquez and Mosley are the two front runners to face Pacquiao (what a shock they're also Mayweather's last two opponents :rolleyes:), you try to hide your motives behind this thread but as always you're transparent as everQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainnow your really make shit up, when did i say i was not a boxing fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesare you seriously that dense? ummm i'm not even gonna bother with you Julius cause you do the same fucking thing time and time again, you nit pick bits of info trying to build up a strong case for Manny, yet when someone knocks it down, using the same info you provided you pull in random bits of bullshit, you said it yourself you're not a boxing fan, you're a Pacquiao nuttlover, to each his ownQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainwow you're relentless, how often are you right with your prediction for you to be so assure of who would win. Specially the fact that JMM has not proven himself above 135. We are likely talking about two different Hatton. I am talking about the Hatton before he retired. Todays Hatton is shitty, he wont even make 140 again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesMayweather also fought Hatton when he was undefeated, and Mayweather is a defensive fighter so obviously he wasn't going to go in there balls to the wall trying to get the KO, if you wanna try and pull that shit, than in theory Mayweather should have no problem with Pacquiao seeing how Manny has never clearly beaten Marquez (in fact Pacquiao should be 0-2 against JMM) and Mayweather beat him effortlessly, he could have stopped him at any point by from round 3 onwards and didn't for God knows what reason, styles make fights, and it's a bit obvious that Hatton's style is made perfectly for Marquez, it's a guy who now just comes forward with little head movement and doesn't bother putting his shots together, it's not rocket science, Marquez would slaughter himQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainIts funny cause your theory is that JMM is a better counter puncher then pac so that means JMM will beat hatton too. Well Floyd is a better counter puncher then all and even him didnt have such an easy time with Hatton before he did stop Hatton. We saw JMM fight above 135 once, granted it was against the best boxer (floyd) but he did not look as good. Your telling me JMM would go up to 140 and treat Hatton like he treated Diaz and Katsidis. Easy for you to say but would not be easy for JMM to do. How about we wait and see if JMM fight guys above 135 first.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesand he did it effortlessly...at 37, Hatton was countered all night by a guy who's not a counter puncher in Pacquiao, Marquez is probably THE BEST counter puncher alive today, he would catch Hatton and counter him all night, he has a sturdy enough chin to take Hatton's shots, and he has the uppercut which Hatton has always been open for, it's not even in theory, Marquez would destroy Hatton, and yea he already released a statement saying he'd go all the way up to 147 to fight Pacquiao so he's not the one holding up a possible fight, that'd be Manny who's looking to fight Floyd's leftovers once againQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainActually you are right I forgot JMM did weigh in at 145, therfor he shouldnt have any problem leaving 135 and fighting at 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesummm did you not watch the Katsidis fight? Marquez was at 145 lbs on fight night, he didn't look any slower and his timing was definitely not off, he would wreck HattonQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainthats if JMM is himself at 140. If his timing is off and he is slowed by the extra weight, ricky could bully him for 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesif Pacquiao was able to counter Hatton the way he did, Marquez would have done it just the same, only difference is he would have taken his time doing it and stopped Hatton a bit later around the 8th or 9th, no doubt in my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI love Katsidis but Ricky Hatton did make Koysta quit. I dont know about JMM being able to school ricky and stop him at 140. JMM has never even fought at that weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
What I am trying to tell you is Hatton may look shit now but Katsidis and Juan Diaz are a level below Ricky and the fact that Ricky is bigger and stronger.
JMM whooped Diaz and Katsidis that doesn't mean he'll do the same to Hatton. Different animal Ricky is/was.
Khan is finally fighting Maidana basically cause he had no other choice (well unless he wanted to sit out and wait till after Alexander/Bradley), Marquez has never ducked anyone, and if anyone would be the coward it'd be Khan for looking to fight a smaller guy in Marquez (or Morales as he and Roach were looking for) instead of guys like Bradley, Alexander, Ortiz, or anyone at 140 or aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
You mention that Floyd would do better against Pac since JMM did so well against Pac. You are totally missing the fkxcing point! JMM as good as he is has not proven himself above 135 and you are saying he would of beaten the lineal championg Ricky Hatton at 140!!!!????
Do you also think JMM can go up above 140 and dominate Cotto, up to 147 and dominate Clottey, up to 150 and dominate Margarito just because he did so well against Pac and Pac had done it?
Do you also think Pac has no chance of winning against Floyd because when JMM fought Floyd at 144 JMM had zero chance in winning, so I guess everyone should think Pac has zero chance against floyd too right genious?
And between me and you who mention pac first? Yea exactly stfu.
i can see it now, your next couple posts will be the infamous "oh well you're a hater" posts again...
This is my next post to you which is simple....you're an idiot! Remind me to ignore you and treat you like Milmascas.
But, Floyd didn't fight Hatton at Hatton's best weight. He fought him at 147. Pacquiao fought Hatton at 140. There were only two years difference between the fights with Floyd and Pacquiao and Hatton was coming off a strong victory over Malignaggi.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthing is Pacquiao didn't beat Hatton in his prime either, only Floyd did thatQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratMilmascaras, Hatton in his prime was better than Kastidis in his prime and Juan Diaz in his prime. Not even a question. Don't forget that Hatton did better against Mayweather than Marquez did. Hatton actually won a couple of rounds. Marquez didn't win one second of one round. Literally. I like Marquez too, but that was one crappy performance. No two ways about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
What you're saying is that Marquez could beat Hatton at 140 or 147 now, yet at the same time, you say Pacquiao must come down in weight to fight Marquez. Explain that please.
do whatever you want son lol but you're the one who's his counterpart on this forum :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainYou're wrong again and again you make more shit up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyou admitted to not having seen one of the biggest fights of the year (Mayweather/Mosley) and call any strategic fight "boring", only post on here whenever something goes on including Manny, such as his win over Margacheato and ummm obviously now that Marquez and Mosley are the two front runners to face Pacquiao (what a shock they're also Mayweather's last two opponents :rolleyes:), you try to hide your motives behind this thread but as always you're transparent as everQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainnow your really make shit up, when did i say i was not a boxing fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesare you seriously that dense? ummm i'm not even gonna bother with you Julius cause you do the same fucking thing time and time again, you nit pick bits of info trying to build up a strong case for Manny, yet when someone knocks it down, using the same info you provided you pull in random bits of bullshit, you said it yourself you're not a boxing fan, you're a Pacquiao nuttlover, to each his ownQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainwow you're relentless, how often are you right with your prediction for you to be so assure of who would win. Specially the fact that JMM has not proven himself above 135. We are likely talking about two different Hatton. I am talking about the Hatton before he retired. Todays Hatton is shitty, he wont even make 140 again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesMayweather also fought Hatton when he was undefeated, and Mayweather is a defensive fighter so obviously he wasn't going to go in there balls to the wall trying to get the KO, if you wanna try and pull that shit, than in theory Mayweather should have no problem with Pacquiao seeing how Manny has never clearly beaten Marquez (in fact Pacquiao should be 0-2 against JMM) and Mayweather beat him effortlessly, he could have stopped him at any point by from round 3 onwards and didn't for God knows what reason, styles make fights, and it's a bit obvious that Hatton's style is made perfectly for Marquez, it's a guy who now just comes forward with little head movement and doesn't bother putting his shots together, it's not rocket science, Marquez would slaughter himQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainIts funny cause your theory is that JMM is a better counter puncher then pac so that means JMM will beat hatton too. Well Floyd is a better counter puncher then all and even him didnt have such an easy time with Hatton before he did stop Hatton. We saw JMM fight above 135 once, granted it was against the best boxer (floyd) but he did not look as good. Your telling me JMM would go up to 140 and treat Hatton like he treated Diaz and Katsidis. Easy for you to say but would not be easy for JMM to do. How about we wait and see if JMM fight guys above 135 first.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesand he did it effortlessly...at 37, Hatton was countered all night by a guy who's not a counter puncher in Pacquiao, Marquez is probably THE BEST counter puncher alive today, he would catch Hatton and counter him all night, he has a sturdy enough chin to take Hatton's shots, and he has the uppercut which Hatton has always been open for, it's not even in theory, Marquez would destroy Hatton, and yea he already released a statement saying he'd go all the way up to 147 to fight Pacquiao so he's not the one holding up a possible fight, that'd be Manny who's looking to fight Floyd's leftovers once againQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainActually you are right I forgot JMM did weigh in at 145, therfor he shouldnt have any problem leaving 135 and fighting at 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesummm did you not watch the Katsidis fight? Marquez was at 145 lbs on fight night, he didn't look any slower and his timing was definitely not off, he would wreck HattonQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainthats if JMM is himself at 140. If his timing is off and he is slowed by the extra weight, ricky could bully him for 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesif Pacquiao was able to counter Hatton the way he did, Marquez would have done it just the same, only difference is he would have taken his time doing it and stopped Hatton a bit later around the 8th or 9th, no doubt in my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI love Katsidis but Ricky Hatton did make Koysta quit. I dont know about JMM being able to school ricky and stop him at 140. JMM has never even fought at that weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
What I am trying to tell you is Hatton may look shit now but Katsidis and Juan Diaz are a level below Ricky and the fact that Ricky is bigger and stronger.
JMM whooped Diaz and Katsidis that doesn't mean he'll do the same to Hatton. Different animal Ricky is/was.
Khan is finally fighting Maidana basically cause he had no other choice (well unless he wanted to sit out and wait till after Alexander/Bradley), Marquez has never ducked anyone, and if anyone would be the coward it'd be Khan for looking to fight a smaller guy in Marquez (or Morales as he and Roach were looking for) instead of guys like Bradley, Alexander, Ortiz, or anyone at 140 or aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
You mention that Floyd would do better against Pac since JMM did so well against Pac. You are totally missing the fkxcing point! JMM as good as he is has not proven himself above 135 and you are saying he would of beaten the lineal championg Ricky Hatton at 140!!!!????
Do you also think JMM can go up above 140 and dominate Cotto, up to 147 and dominate Clottey, up to 150 and dominate Margarito just because he did so well against Pac and Pac had done it?
Do you also think Pac has no chance of winning against Floyd because when JMM fought Floyd at 144 JMM had zero chance in winning, so I guess everyone should think Pac has zero chance against floyd too right genious?
And between me and you who mention pac first? Yea exactly stfu.
i can see it now, your next couple posts will be the infamous "oh well you're a hater" posts again...
This is my next post to you which is simple....you're an idiot! Remind me to ignore you and treat you like Milmascas.
Sadly you begin to remind me of that clown. I had more respect for you til you believe JMM could of just gone up to 140 and take out the lineal champ there Ricky Hatton with ease, just like what he did to Diaz and Katsidis. You basically said Diaz and Katsidis are at the same level as Hatton. You also believe Hatton wasn't in his prime when Pac fought him, prime or not the man was the Lineal champ at 140 at the time. Also Floyd didn't fight Hatton at Hattons division. Floyd made him go up at 147, where Hatton had look shitty. Now if Pac goes up and down divisions and makes his oppenent look shitty there is a big fuss about it :oQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdo whatever you want son lol but you're the one who's his counterpart on this forum :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainYou're wrong again and again you make more shit up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyou admitted to not having seen one of the biggest fights of the year (Mayweather/Mosley) and call any strategic fight "boring", only post on here whenever something goes on including Manny, such as his win over Margacheato and ummm obviously now that Marquez and Mosley are the two front runners to face Pacquiao (what a shock they're also Mayweather's last two opponents :rolleyes:), you try to hide your motives behind this thread but as always you're transparent as everQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainnow your really make shit up, when did i say i was not a boxing fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesare you seriously that dense? ummm i'm not even gonna bother with you Julius cause you do the same fucking thing time and time again, you nit pick bits of info trying to build up a strong case for Manny, yet when someone knocks it down, using the same info you provided you pull in random bits of bullshit, you said it yourself you're not a boxing fan, you're a Pacquiao nuttlover, to each his ownQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainwow you're relentless, how often are you right with your prediction for you to be so assure of who would win. Specially the fact that JMM has not proven himself above 135. We are likely talking about two different Hatton. I am talking about the Hatton before he retired. Todays Hatton is shitty, he wont even make 140 again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesMayweather also fought Hatton when he was undefeated, and Mayweather is a defensive fighter so obviously he wasn't going to go in there balls to the wall trying to get the KO, if you wanna try and pull that shit, than in theory Mayweather should have no problem with Pacquiao seeing how Manny has never clearly beaten Marquez (in fact Pacquiao should be 0-2 against JMM) and Mayweather beat him effortlessly, he could have stopped him at any point by from round 3 onwards and didn't for God knows what reason, styles make fights, and it's a bit obvious that Hatton's style is made perfectly for Marquez, it's a guy who now just comes forward with little head movement and doesn't bother putting his shots together, it's not rocket science, Marquez would slaughter himQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainIts funny cause your theory is that JMM is a better counter puncher then pac so that means JMM will beat hatton too. Well Floyd is a better counter puncher then all and even him didnt have such an easy time with Hatton before he did stop Hatton. We saw JMM fight above 135 once, granted it was against the best boxer (floyd) but he did not look as good. Your telling me JMM would go up to 140 and treat Hatton like he treated Diaz and Katsidis. Easy for you to say but would not be easy for JMM to do. How about we wait and see if JMM fight guys above 135 first.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesand he did it effortlessly...at 37, Hatton was countered all night by a guy who's not a counter puncher in Pacquiao, Marquez is probably THE BEST counter puncher alive today, he would catch Hatton and counter him all night, he has a sturdy enough chin to take Hatton's shots, and he has the uppercut which Hatton has always been open for, it's not even in theory, Marquez would destroy Hatton, and yea he already released a statement saying he'd go all the way up to 147 to fight Pacquiao so he's not the one holding up a possible fight, that'd be Manny who's looking to fight Floyd's leftovers once againQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainActually you are right I forgot JMM did weigh in at 145, therfor he shouldnt have any problem leaving 135 and fighting at 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesummm did you not watch the Katsidis fight? Marquez was at 145 lbs on fight night, he didn't look any slower and his timing was definitely not off, he would wreck HattonQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainthats if JMM is himself at 140. If his timing is off and he is slowed by the extra weight, ricky could bully him for 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesif Pacquiao was able to counter Hatton the way he did, Marquez would have done it just the same, only difference is he would have taken his time doing it and stopped Hatton a bit later around the 8th or 9th, no doubt in my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI love Katsidis but Ricky Hatton did make Koysta quit. I dont know about JMM being able to school ricky and stop him at 140. JMM has never even fought at that weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
What I am trying to tell you is Hatton may look shit now but Katsidis and Juan Diaz are a level below Ricky and the fact that Ricky is bigger and stronger.
JMM whooped Diaz and Katsidis that doesn't mean he'll do the same to Hatton. Different animal Ricky is/was.
Khan is finally fighting Maidana basically cause he had no other choice (well unless he wanted to sit out and wait till after Alexander/Bradley), Marquez has never ducked anyone, and if anyone would be the coward it'd be Khan for looking to fight a smaller guy in Marquez (or Morales as he and Roach were looking for) instead of guys like Bradley, Alexander, Ortiz, or anyone at 140 or aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
You mention that Floyd would do better against Pac since JMM did so well against Pac. You are totally missing the fkxcing point! JMM as good as he is has not proven himself above 135 and you are saying he would of beaten the lineal championg Ricky Hatton at 140!!!!????
Do you also think JMM can go up above 140 and dominate Cotto, up to 147 and dominate Clottey, up to 150 and dominate Margarito just because he did so well against Pac and Pac had done it?
Do you also think Pac has no chance of winning against Floyd because when JMM fought Floyd at 144 JMM had zero chance in winning, so I guess everyone should think Pac has zero chance against floyd too right genious?
And between me and you who mention pac first? Yea exactly stfu.
i can see it now, your next couple posts will be the infamous "oh well you're a hater" posts again...
This is my next post to you which is simple....you're an idiot! Remind me to ignore you and treat you like Milmascas.
Hatton looked like crap after Floyd stopped him, he struggled against Lazcano and IMO didn't look all that stellar against Malignaggi, hell he was already starting to look like shit before he fought Floyd with weak performances against Collazo and Urango, either way i know Pac fans aren't trying to pull the whole "oh but Floyd fought him at 147, Pacquiao did at 140", well same thing can be thrown at Manny, Floyd beat a more capable DLH at 154 (not at 145, 147, or at 150) and Manny beat a shot weight drained version of the same fighter, again going back to my main point, seeing how bad Hatton has looked since losing to Floyd, and especially how easy he is to hit and counter now, IMO i think Marquez would have destroyed him just the same, Hatton's style plays perfectly for JMM, and yea sorry Julius Hatton right now is on the same level as Diaz and Katsidis, i see no way in hell he'd beat anyone of the top 3 at 140, i wouldn't be shocked if Maidana or Ortiz topped him at this point
JMM would have made Hatton look daft. Hatton couldn't deal with punches in combinations. He has no way to stop them. Little head movement, little defensive awareness. Marquez would have destroyed him at 140, just like Pacquiao did. Maybe Hatton can make it interesting for a little while, but i'd give it 4 or so rounds before Marquez started teeing off on Hatton's oversized head. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainSadly you begin to remind me of that clown. I had more respect for you til you believe JMM could of just gone up to 140 and take out the lineal champ there Ricky Hatton with ease, just like what he did to Diaz and Katsidis. You basically said Diaz and Katsidis are at the same level as Hatton. You also believe Hatton wasn't in his prime when Pac fought him, prime or not the man was the Lineal champ at 140 at the time. Also Floyd didn't fight Hatton at Hattons division. Floyd made him go up at 147, where Hatton had look shitty. Now if Pac goes up and down divisions and makes his oppenent look shitty there is a big fuss about it :oQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdo whatever you want son lol but you're the one who's his counterpart on this forum :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainYou're wrong again and again you make more shit up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyou admitted to not having seen one of the biggest fights of the year (Mayweather/Mosley) and call any strategic fight "boring", only post on here whenever something goes on including Manny, such as his win over Margacheato and ummm obviously now that Marquez and Mosley are the two front runners to face Pacquiao (what a shock they're also Mayweather's last two opponents :rolleyes:), you try to hide your motives behind this thread but as always you're transparent as everQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainnow your really make shit up, when did i say i was not a boxing fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesare you seriously that dense? ummm i'm not even gonna bother with you Julius cause you do the same fucking thing time and time again, you nit pick bits of info trying to build up a strong case for Manny, yet when someone knocks it down, using the same info you provided you pull in random bits of bullshit, you said it yourself you're not a boxing fan, you're a Pacquiao nuttlover, to each his ownQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainwow you're relentless, how often are you right with your prediction for you to be so assure of who would win. Specially the fact that JMM has not proven himself above 135. We are likely talking about two different Hatton. I am talking about the Hatton before he retired. Todays Hatton is shitty, he wont even make 140 again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesMayweather also fought Hatton when he was undefeated, and Mayweather is a defensive fighter so obviously he wasn't going to go in there balls to the wall trying to get the KO, if you wanna try and pull that shit, than in theory Mayweather should have no problem with Pacquiao seeing how Manny has never clearly beaten Marquez (in fact Pacquiao should be 0-2 against JMM) and Mayweather beat him effortlessly, he could have stopped him at any point by from round 3 onwards and didn't for God knows what reason, styles make fights, and it's a bit obvious that Hatton's style is made perfectly for Marquez, it's a guy who now just comes forward with little head movement and doesn't bother putting his shots together, it's not rocket science, Marquez would slaughter himQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainIts funny cause your theory is that JMM is a better counter puncher then pac so that means JMM will beat hatton too. Well Floyd is a better counter puncher then all and even him didnt have such an easy time with Hatton before he did stop Hatton. We saw JMM fight above 135 once, granted it was against the best boxer (floyd) but he did not look as good. Your telling me JMM would go up to 140 and treat Hatton like he treated Diaz and Katsidis. Easy for you to say but would not be easy for JMM to do. How about we wait and see if JMM fight guys above 135 first.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesand he did it effortlessly...at 37, Hatton was countered all night by a guy who's not a counter puncher in Pacquiao, Marquez is probably THE BEST counter puncher alive today, he would catch Hatton and counter him all night, he has a sturdy enough chin to take Hatton's shots, and he has the uppercut which Hatton has always been open for, it's not even in theory, Marquez would destroy Hatton, and yea he already released a statement saying he'd go all the way up to 147 to fight Pacquiao so he's not the one holding up a possible fight, that'd be Manny who's looking to fight Floyd's leftovers once againQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainActually you are right I forgot JMM did weigh in at 145, therfor he shouldnt have any problem leaving 135 and fighting at 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesummm did you not watch the Katsidis fight? Marquez was at 145 lbs on fight night, he didn't look any slower and his timing was definitely not off, he would wreck HattonQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainthats if JMM is himself at 140. If his timing is off and he is slowed by the extra weight, ricky could bully him for 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesif Pacquiao was able to counter Hatton the way he did, Marquez would have done it just the same, only difference is he would have taken his time doing it and stopped Hatton a bit later around the 8th or 9th, no doubt in my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI love Katsidis but Ricky Hatton did make Koysta quit. I dont know about JMM being able to school ricky and stop him at 140. JMM has never even fought at that weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
What I am trying to tell you is Hatton may look shit now but Katsidis and Juan Diaz are a level below Ricky and the fact that Ricky is bigger and stronger.
JMM whooped Diaz and Katsidis that doesn't mean he'll do the same to Hatton. Different animal Ricky is/was.
Khan is finally fighting Maidana basically cause he had no other choice (well unless he wanted to sit out and wait till after Alexander/Bradley), Marquez has never ducked anyone, and if anyone would be the coward it'd be Khan for looking to fight a smaller guy in Marquez (or Morales as he and Roach were looking for) instead of guys like Bradley, Alexander, Ortiz, or anyone at 140 or aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
You mention that Floyd would do better against Pac since JMM did so well against Pac. You are totally missing the fkxcing point! JMM as good as he is has not proven himself above 135 and you are saying he would of beaten the lineal championg Ricky Hatton at 140!!!!????
Do you also think JMM can go up above 140 and dominate Cotto, up to 147 and dominate Clottey, up to 150 and dominate Margarito just because he did so well against Pac and Pac had done it?
Do you also think Pac has no chance of winning against Floyd because when JMM fought Floyd at 144 JMM had zero chance in winning, so I guess everyone should think Pac has zero chance against floyd too right genious?
And between me and you who mention pac first? Yea exactly stfu.
i can see it now, your next couple posts will be the infamous "oh well you're a hater" posts again...
This is my next post to you which is simple....you're an idiot! Remind me to ignore you and treat you like Milmascas.
exactly my point, Hatton's style (especially the Hatton that Pacquiao destroyed) is tailor made for Marquez, he wouldn't get the stoppage as quick, but that's cause Marquez takes his time, but seeing how Ricky is so easy to find and is so damn sloppy now, Marquez would win and by KO
Hatton is retired so the point is moot. I'm one of the few who is not a Pac or Floyd nuthugger. When Hatton fought Floyd at 147, Marquez was fighting at 130 against Rocky Jaurez. In fact, to this day, although he's had the chance, Marquez has not fought above 135 again after losing to Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I agree with you Hatton's performances against Collazo and Urango were weak too. I'm not sure he was any worse against Pacquiao than he was against Floyd. Floyd may have broke him, but he was there to be taken. He had looked like crap in his two forays above 140 and I think he was on the slide for a while. You can't balloon up in weight and party extensively between every fight and expect to be able to fight at the top level especially as you get older.
rant,
you're not a pac nuthugger? then what was that man pubic hair dropping out of your mouth!!! :lickish:
Hatton's always been like that anyway .He's too careless to deal with anyone as accurate as Marquez. Marquez can match him for output and work-rate so there's not really a single thing in Hatton's favour, other than size. Even then he wouldn't be massively bigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
yea but he used to at least have good upper body movement, decent footwork, and put his punches together a lot more effectively, since his second "reign" at 140 well he hasn't really showed any of that, in all honestly i think Malignaggi would make it a closer fight in a rematch now :-\, so imagine what Marquez would doQuote:
Originally Posted by onoHatton's always been like that anyway .He's too careless to deal with anyone as accurate as Marquez. Marquez can match him for output and work-rate so there's not really a single thing in Hatton's favour, other than size. Even then he wouldn't be massively bigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Definitely hurt him twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesonly time i saw Floyd hurt against Mosley was after the big right handQuote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
One right hand had with 2:06 remaining on the clock had Mayweather hanging on for dear life and then another right-hander round the side of the head (temple shot?) landed with 1:16 remaining on the clock which this time completely disorientated Mayweather, therefore it appeared to have hurt him more.
Eamonn Magee floored Ricky Hatton, and hurt him a few times. And he was a counter pucher who was quite accurate, and that was when Ricky Hatton was fresh. And JMM is leagues above Eamonn Magee just think about that for a second.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea but he used to at least have good upper body movement, decent footwork, and put his punches together a lot more effectively, since his second "reign" at 140 well he hasn't really showed any of that, in all honestly i think Malignaggi would make it a closer fight in a rematch now :-\, so imagine what Marquez would doQuote:
Originally Posted by onoHatton's always been like that anyway .He's too careless to deal with anyone as accurate as Marquez. Marquez can match him for output and work-rate so there's not really a single thing in Hatton's favour, other than size. Even then he wouldn't be massively bigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Emanuel AugustusQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Jesus Chavez
Zab Judah
DeMacrus Corley
Gregorio Vargas
Carlos Hernandez
Fighters who are nowhere near as known as Marquez, Hatton, Mosley, also done better than all 3 of them. Its funny how boxing works.
oh i know, that's why i'm saying that Marquez would have destroyed Hatton, even at 140Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBEamonn Magee floored Ricky Hatton, and hurt him a few times. And he was a counter pucher who was quite accurate, and that was when Ricky Hatton was fresh. And JMM is leagues above Eamonn Magee just think about that for a second.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea but he used to at least have good upper body movement, decent footwork, and put his punches together a lot more effectively, since his second "reign" at 140 well he hasn't really showed any of that, in all honestly i think Malignaggi would make it a closer fight in a rematch now :-\, so imagine what Marquez would doQuote:
Originally Posted by onoHatton's always been like that anyway .He's too careless to deal with anyone as accurate as Marquez. Marquez can match him for output and work-rate so there's not really a single thing in Hatton's favour, other than size. Even then he wouldn't be massively bigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I resent that. I appreciate Pacquiao and I'm a fan of Pacquiao. I can be a fan and not be a nuthugger. In no way do I believe Pacquiao is above reproach. As a leader of the sport I enjoy, I want Pacquiao to fight the best challenges out there. Right now he is cleaning out the welterweight division. I can appreciate that to an extent, but I, for one, believe Shane is passed his best and there are better opponents out there for Pacquiao. As you have seen many times in other threads, I want Pacquiao to face Tim Bradley.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Check the thread about favorite current fighters and you can see mine.
rant,
i was just kidding and it was all in jest! no harm intended. but, it does seem to me that to you, pacquiao can do no wrong. again, i'm not saying he isn't great because he definitely is, it's just that until he chooses to fight fighters in their prime like him, i'll continue to avoid the kool-aid so many of saddoboxing fans are addicted to!
Pacquiao can definitely do wrong. Unlike you, I'm just not hyper-critical of him. I'd prefer him to fight Bradley. I believe that he'll fight PBF, Marquez, Bradley, or Berto before the year is out and we can move beyond this discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBEmanuel AugustusQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Jesus Chavez
Zab Judah
DeMacrus Corley
Gregorio Vargas
Carlos Hernandez
Fighters who are nowhere near as known as Marquez, Hatton, Mosley, also done better than all 3 of them. Its funny how boxing works.
Floyd was green (early twenties) in 3 of those fights. Chose to fight instead of box against two of them (chavez & corely) which made it "look" more competitive than it was. Still stopped Chavez.
Judah is the only one I think faced a prime floyd. Meaning the post Gatti floyd.
rant,
the reason why i'm so critical of pacquiao is because of the senseless accolades he gets from you and everyone else. there is absolutely no question that he's probably top 20 all-time and he could even move up but at no. 5? besides, seems like you and 90 pct. of fans here think he's the next sugar ray robinson or even better!!! look, he's good, no, he's great but you've got to take a time out, quit drinking so much of that tasty kool-aid and carefully analyze his record. sure he's fought big names but most of those big names were well past it already. now that he's no. 1 p4p, he should be fighting younger, more vibrant opponents instead of mayweather leftovers or fighters almost old enough to draw a social security check.
Fair enough. I'm tired of discussing Pacquiao. He's not my favorite fighter and I don't hate him either. My favorites are on that other thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1