well KHAN sure knows how to RUN... Run Khan Run....that's what I learned tonight.

Khan used all the tools he had to win a boxing match. Likewise, Maidana used all his tools, except his tools weren't as good as Amir's. Everyone jumped on Khan's back for not fighting a puncher. He fights the biggest puncher in his division and arguably one of biggest punches PFP in boxing and he still seems to get no respect. I just don't get it? What do people want Amir to do, go toe-to-toe with Maidana for 12 rounds? Maidana was lucky that the bell went when it did in the 1st round or he could have been looking at a KO. Sure, Khan had some rocky moments but he didn't pussy out of it like Ortiz did. He showed great heart in staying in their and deserved the win. People's dislike for certain boxers seriously clouds their judgment. Subsequently they end up saying things that makes them look like complete dicks!

Congrats to Khan...he did what he had to get thru to get the win...i got to watch the last 5 rounds and thought both fighters showed the heart of a champ and deserve respect

job biscuit (would luv a rematch)!!!

Eh eh!!

Even the great PBF would have been elusive at points during that fight. Maidana just kept coming and kept swinging. Any fighter from 140-147 would have got jelly legs from taking some of those bombs.

It's not as if Khan ran all night, even in the rounds he lost he still tried getting combos off (bar the 10th)

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I'm not one for the keyboard warrior generation, but what have u done in ur life, that warrants u too call amir khan a bitch . U small little man. Send me ur address on a pm so I can come and rip ur heart out. Khan fought a great fight last night. Anything less and he wouldn't of got thru that. mafia joey =wanker

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Miles is a fool, he talks about being this good guy, pleasant shit but he backs Maidana up on this shit. Maidana clearly acted like a prick. I like him before this fight now I want somebody to knock his bitch ass out. He threw that fxcking elbow intentionally and thats why he didnt say shit after Cortez deducted a point.

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Miles is a fool, he talks about being this good guy, pleasant shit but he backs Maidana up on this shit. Maidana clearly acted like a prick. I like him before this fight now I want somebody to knock his bitch ass out. He threw that fxcking elbow intentionally and thats why he didnt say shit after Cortez deducted a point.

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haha that is true, Miles is all against standing up against foul play and enforcing strict professional, honest conduct with integrity except when it comes to people he doesn't like.

Trying to elbow Amir in the face right in front of the referee is fine. Students smashing up government propery over fees protests is an acceptable expression of anger, and Palestians hurling stones at Israeli cars, or missles as Israeli towns is again no less than they deserve.

Amir winning a fight against a cut Barrera was a moral outrage however and an example of all that is bad in boxing and the world..

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Miles is a fool, he talks about being this good guy, pleasant shit but he backs Maidana up on this shit. Maidana clearly acted like a prick. I like him before this fight now I want somebody to knock his bitch ass out. He threw that fxcking elbow intentionally and thats why he didnt say shit after Cortez deducted a point.

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haha that is true, Miles is all against standing up against foul play and enforcing strict professional, honest conduct with integrity except when it comes to people he doesn't like.

Trying to elbow Amir in the face right in front of the referee is fine. Students smashing up government propery over fees protests is an acceptable expression of anger, and Palestians hurling stones at Israeli cars, or missles as Israeli towns is again no less than they deserve.

Amir winning a fight against a cut Barrera was a moral outrage however and an example of all that is bad in boxing and the world..

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I still don't know how Bilbo scored the 11th or the 12th for Khan, a shoeshine here and there doesn't win a round. But they weren't 10-8 rounds. Round 10 was but that's about it.

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Bilbo was clearly watching the HBO broadcast and forgot that the commentary is essentially propaganda for the house fighter. 10-8 rounds are subjective, but Maidana was clearly dominating down the stretch. You could see most of Khan's flurries missing a mile off. He was running on fumes and there was little accuracy on them towards the end.

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Especially when you consider Maidana's punches hurt way worse than Khan's. I didn't even think twice it could score any differently. At almost any point in that round Cortez could have given him a standing 8 count. He beat him Pillar to post.

I also want to add that the second knockdown was bullshit on Maidana. He never touched the canvas, and the ropes never held him up. And third, no punch landed.

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Bilbo was clearly watching the HBO broadcast and forgot that the commentary is essentially propaganda for the house fighter. 10-8 rounds are subjective, but Maidana was clearly dominating down the stretch. You could see most of Khan's flurries missing a mile off. He was running on fumes and there was little accuracy on them towards the end.

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The 10-8 round looked like this:
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Especially when you consider Maidana's punches hurt way worse than Khan's. I didn't even think twice it could score any differently. At almost any point in that round Cortez could have given him a standing 8 count. He beat him Pillar to post.

I also want to add that the second knockdown was bullshit on Maidana. He never touched the canvas, and the ropes never held him up. And third, no punch landed.

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I agreed with round 10 being 10-8. No question. Rounds 11 and 12 though, not even convinced Maidana won them at all let alone 10-8.

There was no second knockdown, it was ruled a slip, your being like Miles and complaining about something in your own head ;D

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haha, I like that... you're so convinced that your argument is weak that you're basically saying 'anybody who challenges my shit is a ball sucker' to try and put them off from calling you out on your bullshit.

Cute (if you disagree with me then you're a farty poo head)

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Bilbo was clearly watching the HBO broadcast and forgot that the commentary is essentially propaganda for the house fighter. 10-8 rounds are subjective, but Maidana was clearly dominating down the stretch. You could see most of Khan's flurries missing a mile off. He was running on fumes and there was little accuracy on them towards the end.

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Especially when you consider Maidana's punches hurt way worse than Khan's. I didn't even think twice it could score any differently. At almost any point in that round Cortez could have given him a standing 8 count. He beat him Pillar to post.

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Ah, the standing 8 count again. There is no standing 8 count in pro boxing.

It was ruled a slip. Not a knockdown.

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Bilbo was clearly watching the HBO broadcast and forgot that the commentary is essentially propaganda for the house fighter. 10-8 rounds are subjective, but Maidana was clearly dominating down the stretch. You could see most of Khan's flurries missing a mile off. He was running on fumes and there was little accuracy on them towards the end.

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Especially when you consider Maidana's punches hurt way worse than Khan's. I didn't even think twice it could score any differently. At almost any point in that round Cortez could have given him a standing 8 count. He beat him Pillar to post.

I also want to add that the second knockdown was bullshit on Maidana. He never touched the canvas, and the ropes never held him up. And third, no punch landed.

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I agreed with round 10 being 10-8. No question. Rounds 11 and 12 though, not even convinced Maidana won them at all let alone 10-8.

There was no second knockdown, it was ruled a slip, your being like Miles and complaining about something in your own head ;D

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Yeah it was ruled a slip by everyone except you and Miles. Haha.

I'm with Bilbs here. Gave Khan 11 and think i gave him a share of 12. Maidana had a great start to round 11, but landed little. Last 90 seconds Khan landed about 3 or 4 flush and accurate combinations. Maidana landed little.

Same with the 12th really, except Maidana looked more desperate, and Khan got on his bike a bit more. Still wasn't really a clear winner to the round though, as Khan again landed a few very good combinations.

I think people are scoring for momentum, rather than what actually happened, if that makes sense.

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I still don't know how Bilbo scored the 11th or the 12th for Khan, a shoeshine here and there doesn't win a round. But they weren't 10-8 rounds. Round 10 was but that's about it.

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Bilbo was clearly watching the HBO broadcast and forgot that the commentary is essentially propaganda for the house fighter. 10-8 rounds are subjective, but Maidana was clearly dominating down the stretch. You could see most of Khan's flurries missing a mile off. He was running on fumes and there was little accuracy on them towards the end.

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Especially when you consider Maidana's punches hurt way worse than Khan's. I didn't even think twice it could score any differently. At almost any point in that round Cortez could have given him a standing 8 count. He beat him Pillar to post.

I also want to add that the second knockdown was bullshit on Maidana. He never touched the canvas, and the ropes never held him up. And third, no punch landed.

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I agreed with round 10 being 10-8. No question. Rounds 11 and 12 though, not even convinced Maidana won them at all let alone 10-8.

There was no second knockdown, it was ruled a slip, your being like Miles and complaining about something in your own head ;D

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Bilbo was clearly watching the HBO broadcast and forgot that the commentary is essentially propaganda for the house fighter. 10-8 rounds are subjective, but Maidana was clearly dominating down the stretch. You could see most of Khan's flurries missing a mile off. He was running on fumes and there was little accuracy on them towards the end.

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Especially when you consider Maidana's punches hurt way worse than Khan's. I didn't even think twice it could score any differently. At almost any point in that round Cortez could have given him a standing 8 count. He beat him Pillar to post.

I also want to add that the second knockdown was bullshit on Maidana. He never touched the canvas, and the ropes never held him up. And third, no punch landed.

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I agreed with round 10 being 10-8. No question. Rounds 11 and 12 though, not even convinced Maidana won them at all let alone 10-8.

There was no second knockdown, it was ruled a slip, your being like Miles and complaining about something in your own head ;D

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Yeah it was ruled a slip by everyone except you and Miles. Haha.

I'm with Bilbs here. Gave Khan 11 and think i gave him a share of 12. Maidana had a great start to round 11, but landed little. Last 90 seconds Khan landed about 3 or 4 flush and accurate combinations. Maidana landed little.

Same with the 12th really, except Maidana looked more desperate, and Khan got on his bike a bit more. Still wasn't really a clear winner to the round though, as Khan again landed a few very good combinations.

I think people are scoring for momentum, rather than what actually happened, if that makes sense.

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I still don't know how Bilbo scored the 11th or the 12th for Khan, a shoeshine here and there doesn't win a round. But they weren't 10-8 rounds. Round 10 was but that's about it.

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Bilbo was clearly watching the HBO broadcast and forgot that the commentary is essentially propaganda for the house fighter. 10-8 rounds are subjective, but Maidana was clearly dominating down the stretch. You could see most of Khan's flurries missing a mile off. He was running on fumes and there was little accuracy on them towards the end.

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Especially when you consider Maidana's punches hurt way worse than Khan's. I didn't even think twice it could score any differently. At almost any point in that round Cortez could have given him a standing 8 count. He beat him Pillar to post.

I also want to add that the second knockdown was bullshit on Maidana. He never touched the canvas, and the ropes never held him up. And third, no punch landed.

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I agreed with round 10 being 10-8. No question. Rounds 11 and 12 though, not even convinced Maidana won them at all let alone 10-8.

There was no second knockdown, it was ruled a slip, your being like Miles and complaining about something in your own head ;D

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You just had to get it off your chest, the injustice that 'might have been' :D

i'm no big fan of khan infact i dont care much for him i think he's full of himself like he believes hes great....and those from the uk involved within the boxing scene know the stories about his arrogants away from the cameras.............BUT!! if you call him a runner the mayweather is the king of runners......khan was involved in a super little fight last night one that none of us thought he could ever star in......it was a good nights viewings one that boxing needed....one young hopefull of steping upto stardom the other a rough rugged limited fighter trying to take advantage of a possible one time only crack at the big time....fantastic considering it wasn't ment to be any good

Of course Khan "ran"....cept' I'd rather call it good evasive footwork. Khan is much faster than Maidana and he and Freddie knew that coming in and exploited it. Freddie also knew that Khan couldn't stand toe to with Maidana in an in fight and avoided that by keeping the offensive at mid-range and the rest at out-range. In short, Khan had no choice but to keep Maidana at the end of his jab. Everybody knew that comin' in though; if Khan brawled, he would've been destroyed and we saw a silhouette of that in R10.

Khan and Maidana showed a lot of real perseverance against heavy damage in this fight, especially Khan considering his lackluster chin.

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Miles is a fool, he talks about being this good guy, pleasant shit but he backs Maidana up on this shit. Maidana clearly acted like a prick. I like him before this fight now I want somebody to knock his bitch ass out. He threw that fxcking elbow intentionally and thats why he didnt say shit after Cortez deducted a point.

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haha that is true, Miles is all against standing up against foul play and enforcing strict professional, honest conduct with integrity except when it comes to people he doesn't like.

Trying to elbow Amir in the face right in front of the referee is fine. Students smashing up government propery over fees protests is an acceptable expression of anger, and Palestians hurling stones at Israeli cars, or missles as Israeli towns is again no less than they deserve.

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Absolute bullshit, the both of you. :vd:

If you look at the replay you see that the elbow was nowhere near Khan's face. In fact all we really saw was an elbow making an impact on Cortez. It should have been a warning and then if he had done it again then you take a point away. Is that so bad? If someone makes a mistake it is usual to give them a chance. Maidana made a mistake in this instance but it did not warrant a point deduction. If there is injustice then for sure I will say something about it. At no point have I ever said it is okay to elbow the referee, but at the same time we see fighters getting away with an awful lot more in an awful lot of fights. In this instance a warning would have sufficed.

It was unneccessary as was Cortez's constant interference in the final 3rd of the fight. Bullshit officiating does ruin boxing and Cortez is in the middle of it all too often. Jay Nady is another one. Situations like what we saw in the Mayweather-Hatton fight, Barrera-Khan, Barrera-Marquez and again in this one, do nothing but detract from an otherwise potentially very interesting fight. There is no total satisfaction in any of these results because of the impact that poor officiating had. Let's take the Marquez-Barrera fight and let's say Barrera's knockdown was scored. That would have led it to being an even better fight than what we got and even if Barrera had lost, we could all have stood back and said "wow". But as it stands that poor officiating left it's awful stamp all over the fight.

These poor decisions hurt boxing and I am quite sure that I am not alone in thinking this. I thought Khan did an excellent job, but I also thought Maidana ended up making the biggest impact as he overall busted Khan up pretty badly. And because I think Maidana gave a valid account of himself and don't think the deduction was justified have muppets like Rains calling me names and ranting like an imbecile about the evils of Maidana. He's just a fighter, what do you expect? For Maidana to take it a step further and kiss Khan at the end of every round? This is boxing.

As for you Bilbo, leave the politics for the other board. Rains most likely had no idea what you were talking about anyway. :p

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Has there ever been a point deduction for an attempted foul ? i can't remember one in recent memory. Just an interesting question if someone can answer it.

So what exactly must one do when hurt. Trade and expose your chin more?
I think Khan did fine in this fight considering the notoriety of Maidana's power, Khan will learn from this and get better.

Props to Khan also for dropping Maidana while Maidana was fresh, that's proof of Khan power. I think Khan should ask for a rematch and try to finish Maidana this time. I remember when everybody was doggin Bute for almost getting stopped by Andrade just to see a rematch redeeming Bute by destroying Andrade.

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Perhaps you should watch it again. There's no way Khan won 11th or 12th. Maidana won 10-12 clearly.

what i learn in khan's latest fight is that..

1. He has faster hands than mayweather and pac but still pac is the better combination fighter and mayweather is more accurate than both of them.

2. He is not as chinny as advertised by the hardcore fans. But still, he isn't as durable as he believes himself to be.lol

3. his heart is great! No question about it.

4. He now knows how to survive, but could do better in the future im sure.

5. still lacks concentration at times

6. With the amount of work rate he exhibits in the ring he may need to improve more on his conditioning. though he has a good one already. it's just not on par with the mayweather,pac,margo or even williams.

7. this guy really idolizes pac. he even got the "pac taunt" now. lol

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No way. Khan hit Maidana with about 3 or 4 combinations in the 11th. Maidana did a lot of chasing, but didn't land much.

I'd admit,i'm not the biggest Khan fan,But i have to give credit where credit due and say that Aimir really proved himself against a big puncher and what amazed me is how he stood up to it and didnt go down like i thought he would.

Khan showed he has a massive heart and he has gone a long way to proving me wrong,
Well done Aimir.

Quick update for you all.

I still hate him. ;D

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I'd admit,i'm not the biggest Khan fan,But i have to give credit where credit due and say that Aimir really proved himself against a big puncher and what amazed me is how he stood up to it and didnt go down like i thought he would.

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Missy I dont berlieve you ;D

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Same ref, same City. Hatton vs Mayweather when Hatton missed a punch to the back of the head and hit the ropes.

Khan definatley won the 11th round. Watched the fight twice more since and he definatley won the 11th. Maidana seemed a little gased that he didn't get Khan out of there in the 10th.

Same happened in the 8th, Maidana had Khan in the two rounds previous, the came out and barley threw.

Something else quite ironic I noticed about that 10th round, at the start of the round Maidana barley got off of his stool, we all thought he was going to get bowled over as he didn't look like he wanted to fight at all. Then he landed that big shot and sprang to life.

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I'd admit,i'm not the biggest Khan fan,But i have to give credit where credit due and say that Aimir really proved himself against a big puncher and what amazed me is how he stood up to it and didnt go down like i thought he would.

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Why are people complaining about the point deduction? He elbowed the ref for fucks sake. He's lucky he didn't get slung out.

Had the blatant elbow split Khan's head open Maidana would have been DQ'd.

Like I said before the fight, I give Khan credit for even taking this fight given his shaky past in the ring with punchers. That he also won the fight after being hurt by Maidana is testament to his desire and heart. I give it up to him.

After watching Hatton and Maidana fight PBF and Khan, if I'm a swarming, inside fighter, I would NEVER agree to Joe Cortez as the ref. Significantly, he broke up the fight when he shouldn't have. He did an all around poor job. It definitely felt like Maidana may have had him out of there if Cortez hadn't hadn't consistely interfered.


Here is a good article on Cortez's bum job: A Note on Khan vs. Maidana: Overly Involved Joe Cortez - Boxing News

• Notably, Cortez broke the fighters up prematurely 36 times.

I gave round 10 to Maidana with a 10-8 score and rounds 11-12 to Maidana as 10-9 rounds. I thought it was pretty clear. Maidana landed more punches than Khan and controlled the pace. Khan just spent the rounds retreating. It's what he had to do to win. Nothing really wrong with it to win, but you don't win rounds doing it.

Here is the link for the compubox punch statistics: Amir Khan vs. Marcos Maidana - CompuBox Stats

Quick summary of rounds 10-12 (note that Khan's output dropped in half after round 9):

Round 10: AK -12/35, MM - 26/85
Round 11: AK - 12/29, MM - 19/64
Round 12: AK - 11/32, MM - 20/83

Given that I gave rounds 10-12 to Maidana with a 10-8 round for Maidana in the 10th, I had Amir taking a close decision win. I thought if Cortez hadn't deducted the point from Maidana (or had deducted one from Khan for holding), I wouldn't have been too upset with a draw. Well, I'm not sure, I need to see it once more, I had Khan winning this fight though.

CompuBox at Ringside: Khan-Maidana, Ortiz-Peterson - Boxing News

I thought Khan would dominate Maidana from piller to post for 12 rounds and instead Maidana made the fight very interesting. So, in a way, Maidana's stock rose more than Khan's did for me. On the other hand, Maidana looked sooo slow in there, and the reason was probably because Khan was sooo fast. Also, Khan showed grit and determination that I didn't know he possessed. Strangely, even though he survived Maidana's bombs, I still believe punchers are Khan's weakness. Paulie is a much better boxer than Maidana, and much faster, but Khan dominated Paulie. His performances against the two boxers couldn't be more different.

Hats off to El Chino. He came into the fight the vast underdog. He was up against a boxer with a much better pedigree (Freddie Roach-trained, Olympic medal winner, vast amateur experience etc). He showed championship heart too.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I still don't know how Bilbo scored the 11th or the 12th for Khan, a shoeshine here and there doesn't win a round. But they weren't 10-8 rounds. Round 10 was but that's about it.

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Maidana didn't really do anything in the 11th. He shot his bolt in the 10th. He kept coming forward but the only decent punches landed were by Amir. Watch it again.

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Perhaps you should watch it again. There's no way Khan won 11th or 12th. Maidana won 10-12 clearly.

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Plenty of people gave Khan a share of those rounds. Maybe you should watch it again.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Why are people complaining about the point deduction? He elbowed the ref for fucks sake. He's lucky he didn't get slung out.

Had the blatant elbow split Khan's head open Maidana would have been DQ'd.

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He would have got away with that with most of the more competent referees. From what I have been reading on the forums most think the deduction was flawed and I am in total agreement. A warning would have been enough. However, IF he had hit Khan in the face then for sure take away the point.

Having said that, as one of Khan's most vociferous critics, I too would like to come out openly and say that I too have been won over somewhat because of this fight. I have always said I want to see him in there with a puncher and he did that. It wasn't perfect, but he did take a lot of clean punches in there and that shot in the 10th might very well have been the end, but he stuck in there and wouldn't let himself go down. I wanted him to, but he didn't. Khan has heart. He might not have the chin, but he has the heart to stand up when the chin has been checked.

I cannot call myself a fan, but I give respect when I think it has been earned and Khan earned a lot in this fight. I will always criticise the Barrera fight and the pointless matchups like Salita, but this was better from Khan and when a fighter goes to the well and wins you have to give credit. At the same time though, I think Maidana caused most of the damage and for that he deserves a lot of credit too. Khan was the obvious favourite and yet Maidana showed that as crude slugger he could deal with that movement and speed fairly well. And he deserves his share of respect.

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Why are people complaining about the point deduction? He elbowed the ref for fucks sake. He's lucky he didn't get slung out.

Had the blatant elbow split Khan's head open Maidana would have been DQ'd.

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He would have got away with that with most of the more competent referees. From what I have been reading on the forums most think the deduction was flawed and I am in total agreement. A warning would have been enough. However, IF he had hit Khan in the face then for sure take away the point.

Having said that, as one of Khan's most vociferous critics, I too would like to come out openly and say that I too have been won over somewhat because of this fight. I have always said I want to see him in there with a puncher and he did that. It wasn't perfect, but he did take a lot of clean punches in there and that shot in the 10th might very well have been the end, but he stuck in there and wouldn't let himself go down. I wanted him to, but he didn't. Khan has heart. He might not have the chin, but he has the heart to stand up when the chin has been checked.

I cannot call myself a fan, but I give respect when I think it has been earned and Khan earned a lot in this fight. I will always criticise the Barrera fight and the pointless matchups like Salita, but this was better from Khan and when a fighter goes to the well and wins you have to give credit. At the same time though, I think Maidana caused most of the damage and for that he deserves a lot of credit too. Khan was the obvious favourite and yet Maidana showed that as crude slugger he could deal with that movement and speed fairly well. And he deserves his share of respect.

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That's because there are a lot of stupid and uninformed Khan haters on the internet Miles. It was an intentional foul. Are you, the great moral guardian of integrity and fair conduct actually saying that a person should only be punished for an intentional misdeed if they successfully pull it off? Surely not!

What about a politician who gets caught when he falsely claims for a mortgage allowance on a property he has already cleared the mortgage on, or an angry student who hurls a fire exstinguisher from the top of a building at a police officer below but misses. Should they be let off because their intentional crimes were unsuccessful?

Oh the hypocrisy :o;D

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Why are people complaining about the point deduction? He elbowed the ref for fucks sake. He's lucky he didn't get slung out.

Had the blatant elbow split Khan's head open Maidana would have been DQ'd.

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He would have got away with that with most of the more competent referees. From what I have been reading on the forums most think the deduction was flawed and I am in total agreement. A warning would have been enough. However, IF he had hit Khan in the face then for sure take away the point.

Having said that, as one of Khan's most vociferous critics, I too would like to come out openly and say that I too have been won over somewhat because of this fight. I have always said I want to see him in there with a puncher and he did that. It wasn't perfect, but he did take a lot of clean punches in there and that shot in the 10th might very well have been the end, but he stuck in there and wouldn't let himself go down. I wanted him to, but he didn't. Khan has heart. He might not have the chin, but he has the heart to stand up when the chin has been checked.

I cannot call myself a fan, but I give respect when I think it has been earned and Khan earned a lot in this fight. I will always criticise the Barrera fight and the pointless matchups like Salita, but this was better from Khan and when a fighter goes to the well and wins you have to give credit. At the same time though, I think Maidana caused most of the damage and for that he deserves a lot of credit too. Khan was the obvious favourite and yet Maidana showed that as crude slugger he could deal with that movement and speed fairly well. And he deserves his share of respect.

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If the elbow had cut Khan so that he couldn't continue what should Cortez have done?