Re: Haye has shocking stamina
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
0james0
Bruno was a monster though, so much muscle to lug around.
Quite possibly the stupidest, most uneducated thing I've ever read.
Someone mentioned Usain Bolt earlier, the fastest man on the planet. You do know he weighs close to 17 stone.
Please people if you've never competed or trained for anything in your life, please don't make daft assumptions about training techniques or how the body works.
If that is possibly the spupidest, most uneducated thing you have EVER read, you clearly have not been reading many posts on this very forum. :rolleyes: Or even reading at all. Does your reading experience consist of Mr Men books? Fuck me, there are far stupider things to read than that where ever you look!
I didn't know Bolt weighed 17 stone, but when have I ever pretended to be an expert on fitness? I train, I play sports and I've just started boxing properly, but I am no expert on the science of it all. But I have always assumed that muscle weighs more than most things you can add or take away to your body and if you have too much of it, it makes you less mobile and heavier. I also thought that muscles require lots of energy from your body to make work, something to do with the acid and/or oxygen required to make it work. A beast like Bruno, his body has to work far harder to make those muscles actually work and move, which would lead you to think he has more chance of tiring quicker compared to if he didn't have muscles on top of his muscles.
I didn't write FACT at the end of my post, so I never intended you to pass any exams from reading it, was just an opinion. But I'm sure that opinion was gathered from reading posts on here from people far more educated than you.
Re: Haye has shocking stamina
No you just wrote non sensical bullshit about a subject you had no clue on. Please refrain from doing it again.
i suppose in your world the best athlete would be one with no muscle at all right? That athlete would be supper fast having no muscle to lug around....
a pound of muslce and a pound of fat both weigh a pound. So no muscle doesn't weigh more than fat. It is however more dense so takes up less space. But here's the thing a pound of fat doesn't do anything. It just sits there waiting to be used as energy. Muscle however.... and get this, it'll really shock you......makes the body move.
Re: Haye has shocking stamina
Usain Bolt weighs 17 stone? Seriously? Wow!!!
Haye-vs-Bolt is a mismatch on paper. Height, weight, reach (i guess), speed, explosivness? That sprinter is in the wrong sport.
Re: Haye has shocking stamina
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
Usain Bolt weighs 17 stone? Seriously? Wow!!!
Haye-vs-Bolt is a mismatch on paper. Height, weight, reach (i guess), speed, explosivness? That sprinter is in the wrong sport.
He's 6'5" and regularly weighs in at less than 15 stone.
Re: Haye has shocking stamina
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killersheep
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
Usain Bolt weighs 17 stone? Seriously? Wow!!!
Haye-vs-Bolt is a mismatch on paper. Height, weight, reach (i guess), speed, explosivness? That sprinter is in the wrong sport.
He's 6'5" and regularly weighs in at less than 15 stone.
usain obviously decided to lie during his interview on top gear. Yes slight exaggeration he does state he weighs 15 stone or 210 pounds (maybe more in his off season though). Still by a long way the heaviest 100 meters runner. He weighs the same as david haye and is only 2 inches taller.
Re: Haye has shocking stamina
and give bolt a workload over about 45-60 secs and he will be blowing out of his arse when all those fast twitch muscles are useless to him
then look at someone like calzaghe ... id say distinctly average physique for a professional athlete and yet stamina that seemed to be never ending
Re: Haye has shocking stamina
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AdamGB
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El Kabong
You guys are really cute, you're trying to paint this nice little "No Way We Can Lose" picture on one hand its "If Wlad wins then he was supposed to. He's bigger on his home turf, and vastly more experienced" and on the other hand its "The WBA title holder is Wlad's most dangerous threat EVER" ....nice scenario guys, good luck with it.
I'm being realistic, sure I've been a fan of Wlad since whenever, but the FACTS are that the WBA title holder has done fuck all in the heavyweight division to earn this shot except talk for over 2 fucking years....I personally think he's skilled, but how can you accurately judge when he has been fighting stiffs (yeah HE'S the one fighting the stiffs! Not Wlad). I worry that this is an Audley Harrison style hype job and well....I just hope the guy shows up to fight instead of looking to cash in that big retirement check and that my friends is a legitimate worry that I have as a fan of BOXING.
Who said 'no way he can lose'? I can think of two good reasons... both of them belonging to a 245lb, 6 foot 7 boxer! ;)
I have to agree with both of the comments above. This fight is a hype job. Haye wants a payday and he's getting it. Wlad will tear him apart. This is no contest, no brainer.
Re: Haye has shocking stamina
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Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
and give bolt a workload over about 45-60 secs and he will be blowing out of his arse when all those fast twitch muscles are useless to him
then look at someone like calzaghe ... id say distinctly average physique for a professional athlete and yet stamina that seemed to be never ending
Who's talking about looks?
What exactly do you mean by workload? Are we saying that he can't handle a light workload for a few minutes?
He's going to be able to function at a higher intensity and stay there for longer than an endurance athlete who is only really trained aerobically.
If you've only got one gear then you're not going to cope with the pace.
Of course a bigger guy fatigues quicker than a smaller one. That's one of the reasons we have weight classes.
I'd love to know when fast twitch fibres became useless. Roy Jones Jr was a ball of them - and he did OK.
Even Calzaghe, he didn't put as much weight in his shots due to bad hands... but you don't get speed like that and you can't sustain long combos like Joe did without having a tonne of fast twitch fibres and anaerobic fitness... again, we're not talking about looks here... not when talking about Calzaghe and not when talking about Haye.
I've seen how Enzo trains his fighters, sure he gets them doing a lot of light sustained work, but they also do plenty of sprint type training.
work recover, work recover
up the intensity, the duration of work, reduce the recovery time and increase the volume of intervals as you get fitter.
Training should mimic the tempo of a fight and boxing isn't 45 minutes of twinkle toed dancing.
Re: Haye has shocking stamina
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
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Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
and give bolt a workload over about 45-60 secs and he will be blowing out of his arse when all those fast twitch muscles are useless to him
then look at someone like calzaghe ... id say distinctly average physique for a professional athlete and yet stamina that seemed to be never ending
Who's talking about looks?
What exactly do you mean by workload? Are we saying that he can't handle a light workload for a few minutes?
He's going to be able to function at a higher intensity and stay there for longer than an endurance athlete who is only really trained aerobically.
If you've only got one gear then you're not going to cope with the pace.
Of course a bigger guy fatigues quicker than a smaller one. That's one of the reasons we have weight classes.
I'd love to know when fast twitch fibres became useless. Roy Jones Jr was a ball of them - and he did OK.
Even Calzaghe, he didn't put as much weight in his shots due to bad hands... but you don't get speed like that and you can't sustain long combos like Joe did without having a tonne of fast twitch fibres and anaerobic fitness... again, we're not talking about looks here... not when talking about Calzaghe and not when talking about Haye.
I've seen how Enzo trains his fighters, sure he gets them doing a lot of light sustained work, but they also do plenty of sprint type training.
work recover, work recover
up the intensity, the duration of work, reduce the recovery time and increase the volume of intervals as you get fitter.
Training should mimic the tempo of a fight and boxing isn't 45 minutes of twinkle toed dancing.
basically hornfinger seems to think because Haye has one of the best physiques he therefore has the best training methods ... i was simply pointing out this was not the case
and i know that boxing isnt low intensity from my own experience, but its not purely anaerobic either .. which was my point with haye not really training in a way to help his endurance ... sure his fast and powerful ... but then only dishes out 13 shots a round so the balance obviously isnt right there
Re: Haye has shocking stamina
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
No you just wrote non sensical bullshit about a subject you had no clue on. Please refrain from doing it again.
i suppose in your world the best athlete would be one with no muscle at all right? That athlete would be supper fast having no muscle to lug around....
a pound of muslce and a pound of fat both weigh a pound. So no muscle doesn't weigh more than fat. It is however more dense so takes up less space. But here's the thing a pound of fat doesn't do anything. It just sits there waiting to be used as energy. Muscle however.... and get this, it'll really shock you......makes the body move.
Yes boss, I will refrain from posting an opinion on a public forum. :rolleyes::rolleyes: Or I will at least ask your permission before I do.
All I was saying was that someone with excess muscle would tire before someone who was toned, but still athletic. I never said muscle was bad, just an excess of it I had always believed could count against you from a fitness perspective, particualrly in boxing. I'm sure Adam or another expert will clear it up when they see the thread. I've got no problem with being wrong, especially on a subect I'm not an expert on. If you are wrong though, what a tit you will look as a self proclaimed expert.
Anyway, I'm sure tomorrow you'll be picking fights with someone else, as per usual, so I'll just let this one blow over.
Re: Haye has shocking stamina
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Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
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Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
and give bolt a workload over about 45-60 secs and he will be blowing out of his arse when all those fast twitch muscles are useless to him
then look at someone like calzaghe ... id say distinctly average physique for a professional athlete and yet stamina that seemed to be never ending
Who's talking about looks?
What exactly do you mean by workload? Are we saying that he can't handle a light workload for a few minutes?
He's going to be able to function at a higher intensity and stay there for longer than an endurance athlete who is only really trained aerobically.
If you've only got one gear then you're not going to cope with the pace.
Of course a bigger guy fatigues quicker than a smaller one. That's one of the reasons we have weight classes.
I'd love to know when fast twitch fibres became useless. Roy Jones Jr was a ball of them - and he did OK.
Even Calzaghe, he didn't put as much weight in his shots due to bad hands... but you don't get speed like that and you can't sustain long combos like Joe did without having a tonne of fast twitch fibres and anaerobic fitness... again, we're not talking about looks here... not when talking about Calzaghe and not when talking about Haye.
I've seen how Enzo trains his fighters, sure he gets them doing a lot of light sustained work, but they also do plenty of sprint type training.
work recover, work recover
up the intensity, the duration of work, reduce the recovery time and increase the volume of intervals as you get fitter.
Training should mimic the tempo of a fight and boxing isn't 45 minutes of twinkle toed dancing.
basically hornfinger seems to think because Haye has one of the best physiques he therefore has the best training methods ... i was simply pointing out this was not the case
and i know that boxing isnt low intensity from my own experience, but its not purely anaerobic either .. which was my point with haye not really training in a way to help his endurance ... sure his fast and powerful ... but then only dishes out 13 shots a round so the balance obviously isnt right there
The only sport that is purely anaerobic would be things like shotput, sprinting etc, same as the only sport that is purely aerobic would be an endurance event. Most sports are a mixture and I'd probably say that boxing is about 2/3 anaerobic.
I agree with you about looks, but must have missed the point when people were saying that Haye looks fit so is fit. ;)
Re: Haye has shocking stamina
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Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
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Originally Posted by
hitmanhatton
and give bolt a workload over about 45-60 secs and he will be blowing out of his arse when all those fast twitch muscles are useless to him
then look at someone like calzaghe ... id say distinctly average physique for a professional athlete and yet stamina that seemed to be never ending
Who's talking about looks?
What exactly do you mean by workload? Are we saying that he can't handle a light workload for a few minutes?
He's going to be able to function at a higher intensity and stay there for longer than an endurance athlete who is only really trained aerobically.
If you've only got one gear then you're not going to cope with the pace.
Of course a bigger guy fatigues quicker than a smaller one. That's one of the reasons we have weight classes.
I'd love to know when fast twitch fibres became useless. Roy Jones Jr was a ball of them - and he did OK.
Even Calzaghe, he didn't put as much weight in his shots due to bad hands... but you don't get speed like that and you can't sustain long combos like Joe did without having a tonne of fast twitch fibres and anaerobic fitness... again, we're not talking about looks here... not when talking about Calzaghe and not when talking about Haye.
I've seen how Enzo trains his fighters, sure he gets them doing a lot of light sustained work, but they also do plenty of sprint type training.
work recover, work recover
up the intensity, the duration of work, reduce the recovery time and increase the volume of intervals as you get fitter.
Training should mimic the tempo of a fight and boxing isn't 45 minutes of twinkle toed dancing.
basically hornfinger seems to think because Haye has one of the best physiques he therefore has the best training methods ... i was simply pointing out this was not the case
and i know that boxing isnt low intensity from my own experience, but its not purely anaerobic either .. which was my point with haye not really training in a way to help his endurance ... sure his fast and powerful ... but then only dishes out 13 shots a round so the balance obviously isnt right there
Basicall that's not what I said at all.
