Oh great, another Pacquiao vs. Mayweather thread, get a life people.
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Oh great, another Pacquiao vs. Mayweather thread, get a life people.
Why don't you do us all a favour and just fuck off and die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by HornfingerWhy don't you do us all a favour and just fuck off and die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
That would make Floyd want to fight him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Whatever.......
Yep. and once it hits the world news that the two top fighters in the world have settled out of court over a defamation suit and that they had a heated verbal altercation outside the court before agreeing to a 12 round fight in a oversize ring in over sized gloves as a deal to not blood test 10 days out from the fight; over half the worlds population will buy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Then they'll fight,sort of.
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Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus:)Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerWhy don't you do us all a favour and just fuck off and die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
:coolclick: ta. ;)
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Originally Posted by AndreYep. and once it hits the world news that the two top fighters in the world have settled out of court over a defamation suit and that they had a heated verbal altercation outside the court before agreeing to a 12 round fight in a oversize ring in over sized gloves as a deal to not blood test 10 days out from the fight; over half the worlds population will buy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Then they'll fight,sort of.
:lol: :coolclick:
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Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus:)Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerWhy don't you do us all a favour and just fuck off and die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Jimanuel, this is the 2nd time you've posted something derogatory that the imbecile Horntard, who I have on ignore has posted about me. Apparently you must must agree with him, and find it amuzing. :) So tell you what little cocksucker, i'm gonna put your faggot ass on ignore with him.
Not that many actually do, but you obviously don't understand the hierarchy of how the judicial and legislation systems works in the US. The other thing you fail to realize is that Arum is a Harvard graduate and is board a certified Lawyer with experience in the USDJ otherwise you wouldn't be calling him stupid. Typically legal terms are specifically designed to be vague so that it leaves room for interpretation from each side of an argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
The use of USADA or WADA as a third parties to administer anti-doping testing of a specif event is not the same thing. Arum point is valid. USADA and WADA are completely different organizations, they have different goals as organizations and exist due to different circumstances. WADA's funds are basically guaranteed, while USADA's funds could end at the next grant decision.
;D hilarious!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus:)Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerWhy don't you do us all a favour and just fuck off and die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Jimanuel, this is the 2nd time you've posted something derogatory that the imbecile Horntard, who I have on ignore has posted about me. Apparently you must must agree with him, and find it amuzing. :) So tell you what little cocksucker, i'm gonna put your faggot ass on ignore with him.
Pacroid logic huh? Im sure a harvard graduate like bob knows what he is doing..or maybe your smarter ? Your post is motivated by your emotions. Check the USDAs history related to this testing. Youll find their head to be what you call "objective".Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Man...Why would a guy in Pacs stature bend down to a proven liar and criminal for the sake of "cleaning up the sports" bullshit. Well,sad to say...he did cow tow to floyds demands in a way. Shame on pac for that.
Simply said...floyd would never fight someone that could risk his no loss record. Its like in a basketball game...the pressure mounts while youre trying to break the most consecutive free throws made. Floyd is a self proclaimed GOAT who doesnt walk the talk. In reality,he is way too skilled for Pac to beat.
As for Manny,the guy never claimed to be the best. He is just a boxer with a little above average skill but very gifted physically. Its not drugs at all. Its not even arizas protein stuff. The logic is simple. Why should someone who has reached a stature never reached by any filipino or most sportsmen exposed himself to the risk of getting caught assuming his on peds? Granted urine testing isnt effective but how many boxers where caught using that medium. A guy who is cheating would never even compromise to anything compromise anything.
This fight would never happen...unless floyd grow some balls. Ask Marvin Hagler.
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Originally Posted by Mars_axQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus:)Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerWhy don't you do us all a favour and just fuck off and die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Jimanuel, this is the 2nd time you've posted something derogatory that the imbecile Horntard, who I have on ignore has posted about me. Apparently you must must agree with him, and find it amuzing. :) So tell you what little cocksucker, i'm gonna put your faggot ass on ignore with him.
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Originally Posted by mugabiPacroid logic huh? Im sure a harvard graduate like bob knows what he is doing..or maybe your smarter ? Your post is motivated by your emotions. Check the USDAs history related to this testing. Youll find their head to be what you call "objective".Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Man...Why would a guy in Pacs stature bend down to a proven liar and criminal for the sake of "cleaning up the sports" bullshit. Well,sad to say...he did cow tow to floyds demands in a way. Shame on pac for that.
Simply said...floyd would never fight someone that could risk his no loss record. Its like in a basketball game...the pressure mounts while youre trying to break the most consecutive free throws made. Floyd is a self proclaimed GOAT who doesnt walk the talk. In reality,he is way too skilled for Pac to beat.
As for Manny,the guy never claimed to be the best. He is just a boxer with a little above average skill but very gifted physically. Its not drugs at all. Its not even arizas protein stuff. The logic is simple. Why should someone who has reached a stature never reached by any filipino or most sportsmen exposed himself to the risk of getting caught assuming his on peds? Granted urine testing isnt effective but how many boxers where caught using that medium. A guy who is cheating would never even compromise to anything compromise anything.
This fight would never happen...unless floyd grow some balls. Ask Marvin Hagler.
No bob's smart. Keep his cash cow away from a guy that's gonna make him look ordinary
Keep him away from testing because it seems to me that even Bob ain't sure that pacroid will test clean.
Keep manny away from testing at all costs, cuz while he's not being tested he won't have to get in the ring with floyd in a fair fight.
Bob Arum is a sensible man.
Nor will he ever, certainly not while Floyd is a real force.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
This is great news to come back to though, I've been itching to see some boxing news since last sunday but I had very limited internet access so this is the first thing I have seen, going to check the Murray-Mitchell result now then I'll be back to discuss a few topics.
Okay I see the 'comedy' (and thus the 'neutrality' issue) but surly that's a bit rich coming coming from Victor fucking Conte! :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
It doesn't surprise me that a promoter like Bob Arum who did everything he could to bring a cheater back to the sport (Tony) is doing everything it takes to prevent Pac from getting his blood tested randomly.Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by mugabiPacroid logic huh? Im sure a harvard graduate like bob knows what he is doing..or maybe your smarter ? Your post is motivated by your emotions. Check the USDAs history related to this testing. Youll find their head to be what you call "objective".Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Man...Why would a guy in Pacs stature bend down to a proven liar and criminal for the sake of "cleaning up the sports" bullshit. Well,sad to say...he did cow tow to floyds demands in a way. Shame on pac for that.
Simply said...floyd would never fight someone that could risk his no loss record. Its like in a basketball game...the pressure mounts while youre trying to break the most consecutive free throws made. Floyd is a self proclaimed GOAT who doesnt walk the talk. In reality,he is way too skilled for Pac to beat.
As for Manny,the guy never claimed to be the best. He is just a boxer with a little above average skill but very gifted physically. Its not drugs at all. Its not even arizas protein stuff. The logic is simple. Why should someone who has reached a stature never reached by any filipino or most sportsmen exposed himself to the risk of getting caught assuming his on peds? Granted urine testing isnt effective but how many boxers where caught using that medium. A guy who is cheating would never even compromise to anything compromise anything.
This fight would never happen...unless floyd grow some balls. Ask Marvin Hagler.
No bob's smart. Keep his cash cow away from a guy that's gonna make him look ordinary
Keep him away from testing because it seems to me that even Bob ain't sure that pacroid will test clean.
Keep manny away from testing at all costs, cuz while he's not being tested he won't have to get in the ring with floyd in a fair fight.
Bob Arum is a sensible man.
What's hilarious is that when Conte was saying that Pacquiao's refusal to take the tests was suspicious, the Pac-fans were all saying 'he's a cheating scumbag you can't trust a word he says' while the Floyd-lovers were going 'he would know better than anyone else'. Now they've just swapped positions on him with each other ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusOkay I see the 'comedy' (and thus the 'neutrality' issue) but surly that's a bit rich coming coming from Victor fucking Conte! :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
Wow, yeah I've no idea how the judicial system works particularly on an English common-law principle which both our countries use. I'm well aware that Arum studied law at Harvard, it gets mentioned in every other article about him. But, clearly you're quite protective of Cuddly Ol' Unkie Bob, so would you rather I substitute stupid (which imo has no relation to somebody's educational achievements) with lying? Corrupt? Filthy? Let me know which one is appropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
You're second paragraph is similarly vague. They are different organisations, but are their goals really different? They both seem to be heavily in the ethos of preventing cheating in sport. Sounds like the same goal to me. The point is that if Arum gives the contract to WADA, they will simply assign it to USADA as the designated NADO for the US. You're talking about funds & how they exist to fudge the issue, but you're not saying why WADA are ok, but USADA are somehow corrupt?
I could not agree more that Bob is a corrupt lying greedy man.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinWow, yeah I've no idea how the judicial system works particularly on an English common-law principle which both our countries use. I'm well aware that Arum studied law at Harvard, it gets mentioned in every other article about him. But, clearly you're quite protective of Cuddly Ol' Unkie Bob, so would you rather I substitute stupid (which imo has no relation to somebody's educational achievements) with lying? Corrupt? Filthy? Let me know which one is appropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
You're second paragraph is similarly vague. They are different organisations, but are their goals really different? They both seem to be heavily in the ethos of preventing cheating in sport. Sounds like the same goal to me. The point is that if Arum gives the contract to WADA, they will simply assign it to USADA as the designated NADO for the US. You're talking about funds & how they exist to fudge the issue, but you're not saying why WADA are ok, but USADA are somehow corrupt?
Arum already stated he has reservations about USADA's travis tygart. Where have you ever heard an Athlete refereed to as "the clean athlete"? That actually implies other Athlete(s) are dirty. If he had said "He has always tested clean" or "He never tested positive" it wouldn't imply anything. I don't care what agency does testing it's all redundant anyway because NSAC does just fine. Now when you have to prove your worth to congress in order to survive financially vs just concentrate on implementing policy, I'd say they have different goals. WADA is a staple organization not having to worry about budget.
A little reading material:
http://www.utexas.edu/cola/progs/pla.../jenkins08.pdf
I'd also say when you have to ask for twice the annual grant as a budget to go after high profile athletes, you have altered your agenda. (They started with an initial two million dollar grant budget 2002.) Every athlete should be treated exactly the same when it comes to testing and prosecuting. They sound like some high priced attorney looking to make a name not an anti-doping agency.
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Originally Posted by Hornfinger
haha shane didnt throw shit, and was scared to death. pacman will press and punish gayweather. floyd will run and potshot with meaningless punches.
Not looking good for Mr Arum, and as always this is all being covered by no one, not ESPN not anything, just mainly us boxing forum heads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
Well I guess that's that cleared up then ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
So the USADA excuse is out of the window, what's Bob going to come up with next?
I take Pacs side on this one. Floyd is the one being the little bitch. Floyd could have gone down as the GOAT if he had just fought Hatton at 140, Margarito at 147, Cotto at 147, Williams at 147 and Pacquaio at 147 before someone else beat them. Floyd would have beaten them all. But he chose to be a bitch. I really dont see how Pac can beat Floyd. But again Floyd is acting like a scared clown. Just fight the guy, you will win! I would hope Pac would beat Floyd but if I had to bet the house it would be on Floyd no question.
Yes because Mayweather uses USADA testing to duck opponents, especially hane Mosley and Victor Ortiz, it's not like if Pacquiao's camp didn't accept and then go back on the drug testing that the fight would have happened, I mean look what happened when Mosley and Ortiz accepted those terms.. oh wait!! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter
I for one believes that the extra tests is not warranted as of the moment but with all "these" news coming out and Arum and company looking like a fool I really don't know what to say anymore:-\:angryxo4::angryxo4:Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyYes because Mayweather uses USADA testing to duck opponents, especially hane Mosley and Victor Ortiz, it's not like if Pacquiao's camp didn't accept and then go back on the drug testing that the fight would have happened, I mean look what happened when Mosley and Ortiz accepted those terms.. oh wait!! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter
OMG, I'm now struggling to put this all in perspective. Let me see if this is right:Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinWell I guess that's that cleared up then ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
So the USADA excuse is out of the window, what's Bob going to come up with next?
1. So Bob is saying that HE has a issue with the 'neutrality' of the USADA and suggests that the WADA should be used instead.
2. Then Victor Fuckin Conte pipes up and says that the USADA does not do any type of drug testing themselves, they simply refer the testing out to a WADA accredited laboratory.
3. The USADA media relations manager, Annie Skinner then stated in response: "No other organization in the US does the type of gold standard testing that that we do. Personally, at least, I've never heard of any third party organization that performs the WADA approved standards to the same degree that we do."
Which is only opinion of course and still does not solve the 'neutrality' with regards to the USADA or more specifically Senior Managing Director & General Counsel to USADA,Travis Tygart. But then...
4. Senior Media Relations & Communications Manager to the WADA, Terence O'Rorke unequivocally AGREES with USADA media relations manager Annie Skinner!!! :o
So where does that leave Bob? :-\
Anyway... Here's a lovely little video to watch while you ponder the wonder...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE_JFWSdO2g
If you have any exposure to what the Hague is, then that is model on how WADA is setup. They are similar to a corporate office that basically doesn't have facilities to do the actual work but train branch offices (like franchises) to do the work. They also certify outside agencies to do the specialty work. (i.e. make approve the labs certifying that they meet the standards testing for PED's)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusOMG, I'm now struggling to put this all in perspective. Let me see if this is right:Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinWell I guess that's that cleared up then ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
So the USADA excuse is out of the window, what's Bob going to come up with next?
1. So Bob is saying that HE has a issue with the 'neutrality' of the USADA and suggests that the WADA should be used instead.
2. Then Victor Fuckin Conte pipes up and says that the USADA does not do any type of drug testing themselves, they simply refer the testing out to a WADA accredited laboratory.
3. The USADA media relations manager, Annie Skinner then stated in response: "No other organization in the US does the type of gold standard testing that that we do. Personally, at least, I've never heard of any third party organization that performs the WADA approved standards to the same degree that we do."
Which is only opinion of course and still does not solve the 'neutrality' with regards to the USADA or more specifically Senior Managing Director & General Counsel to USADA,Travis Tygart. But then...
4. Senior Media Relations & Communications Manager to the WADA, Terence O'Rorke unequivocally AGREES with USADA media relations manager Annie Skinner!!! :o
So where does that leave Bob? :-\
Anyway... Here's a lovely little video to watch while you ponder the wonder...
I didn't think Arum ever mentioned WADA as a administrative testing agency but rather specified an Olympic testing organization in he press release or something like that, but someone pointed out an article by Michael Marley and he quoted Arum as saying WADA would do the testing. I find it hard to believe Arum wouldn't understand out the system is setup and the relationship between WADA and USADA so I'm guessing he was trying to talk down to Marley although it's possible.
I'm already clear on how WADA works (Nice video above) but who or what constitutes an 'Olympic testing organization' besides WADA?
If I google 'olympic anti doping agency', WADDA comes up... So who else exactly does Bob wanna use??? Who else is there?
How many acronyms can there be! lol
To my very limited knowledge, the USADA are recognised as the most capable organization, or maybe the only organization capable of implementing Olympic testing protocols. Is this correct?
I gotta be honest, I think Bob has fucked up here...
(Any anti-doping organization is capable) or can be a signatory of the rules or policies implemented under WADA, but typically countries only use one. In this case, it doesn't matter who you use because what Arum originally said was that the hierarchy would have to come under the Athletic Commission so that there would be accountability should a fighter be found dirty. What is important is the standards WADA uses for administering the testing. Thus you have Floyd's request for OST. The truth is Floyd's style of testing does not follow WADA policy. It is extremely excessive to the point of being harassment by comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
Personally I find the whole issue is rather blindingly absurd. Governments make rules for the people that follow the rules. People that don't follow the rules don't care what rules you use because they are not bound by them. So in reality is, it only makes the people under the system jump through more hoops. Nothing gets better in the end and you haven't really prevented any more people from using other means not listed in the rules.
You have to excuse me for all the questions. I figure you are the authority on the subject and I simply like to question authority but what is 'Floyds style of testing'? I thought he wanted Olympic style testing. Would USADA actually action protocols other than those set by the WADA?
Also, in saying 'harassment by comparison' I assume you are merely referring to random testing as opposed to scheduled testing?
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Originally Posted by Hunter
He does that a lot.
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Well, 2 things:
1) I agree with Conte when he says that athletes should be tested off season too, which means that if Pac and FLoyd are to have a USDA type of testing, it should start before they both go in full speed for the right.
2)Even if Uncle Bob has a problem with Tygart and Floyd's relationship, I fail to see how the "friendship" they might have can discredit the whole agency. As far as I know, Tygart doesn't make/control the tests and neither does he handle the samplers, he's the chief executor and it's Andrew K Morrison who's the director in chief of the testings. I really fail to see where is the problem except if you suspect that the whole analyse department is corrupted under the words of Tygart and personally, I don't buy such crap.