I think if it is close there is a rematch contracted for Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavilaJones
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I think if it is close there is a rematch contracted for Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavilaJones
Yep, a rematch contract for Montreal has been signed. However, i don't know all the modalities about it (does have the rematch to be straight after, in the year to come or..)Quote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaI think if it is close there is a rematch contracted for Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavilaJones
I think he pretty much has to beat Ward to claim #1 in the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
The only other way it could happen would be if he went on a tear and beat everyone else in the division in a totally dominant fashion while Ward sat on the sidelines and didn't fight. I don't see that happening. Maybe (and this is debatable) going up for a one-off against the winner of Hopkins/Dawson and winning that would do it too.
But there's absolutely no reason that Ward-Bute shouldn't happen if Bute wins, so hopefully this is all academic. (Not that "necessary" fights aren't prevented from happening for BS reasons all the time.)
If froch wins against bute both times then where does froch go? Stieglitz?? The ibf and wbo that would make froch number 1 or a very very close number2!!
If he managed to do that, a rematch with Ward would seem the only logical option. Froch-Dirrell 2 is the only other one at this weight that would make any sense. (I think Froch-Cloud would be a GREAT fight though.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
Bute on points, but I wouldn't count Froch out in his homeland.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88Wtik9O8O8
They are attempting to mimic the loudness of the crowd in Nottingham. Not a bad idea really to help Bute prepare for fighting there. Whether it is effective remains to be seen.
You can hear Froch's bird and everything haha. DO HIM CARL DO HIMQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Froch's bird must be a screamer in bed.
Just been reading boxing monthly and not many people got froch winning.
Glen Johnsons trainer and Adam booth got froch winning and even Brian Magee thinks bute wins
They have Froch or Bute winning?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
The names apart from Magee have froch winning.
I have to believe the Ward fight sapped a lot of Carl's confidence. Froch will make a go of it, but Bute will control most of the action and win a clearcut, but close on the scorecards UD.
You lot in the UK will get this fight on Sky, here in the States it will be shown on EPIX in the afternoon on May 26th.
Haha you can hear Frochs missus!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
That sparring is a bit light! Hes in for a shock if he thinks Frochs going to be that easy to push round! As for trying to mimic the hostile atmosphere, hed have to be in an American gym where hes not comfortable and they dont like Canadians and not just with his mate flicking a girly jab in front of his other mates with the only hostility coming from a tape recording of Carl Frochs girlfriend! Its a joke;D
I think if froch loses its cos he's got old, when I watch froch vs Magee or Henry porras bute woulda been ktfo.
I don't think it's possible to sap Carl's confidence. I bet he looks at the Ward loss, like styles make fights, and other than Ward, he's the best at 68.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
What do you guys make of Magee picking Bute, given that he faced Froch and Bute?
The froch that magee lost to was like prince Naseem, then when he went against robin Reid he was different, he moved differently, he became more mobile but more durable. Watch frochs fights before Magee, porras and then watch him against Reid.
Froch is simply to slow against slick fighters, he is what he is to slow you do get carried away withQuote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
his durable tea you can only take so much before it catches up with you.
I look at Froch he is a good fighter, that's his level a honest tough fighter.
Bute has looked fantastic an has all the ability to beat Froch. But I'm still favouring Froch to end late with a ko
Gentlemen, it's the week of the fight. Excited? How's the undercard?
The undercard is utter crap. Although that's understandable because it would have cost a fortune to get Bute here.
But why exactly has Bute come here? This is not PPV or a contest that has Britain at a standstill. Team Bute must be hugely confident of whitewashing him.
So I think Bute will stop Froch (I was surprised that he's bigger when they came face-to-face). However, I've never picked FRoch to win a single fight so this is par for the course, and I will actually be cheering him on.
The fight NOT going the distance is my bet.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
I've had Bute in my top five favorite boxers for a while, but I'm a fan of the gritty Brit too, so to play devil's advocate, Bute did insist on a rematch clause in Canada.
Bute is open to the right hand, Golovkin stopped him in the amateurs straight right hand have a look on
Y Tube, see what you think.
You don't need amateur evidence to show Bute can be stopped. Andrade knocked him out. That's one of the luckiest wins ever.
If Froch is still in the fight going into the latter stages, considering the home-advantage and crowd support, then he might Taylor him.
Yes, the knock on Bute has to be that he has a suspect chin. He was stopped wearing full head-gear by Golovkin. I attribute the Andrade knock down to fatigue. Has he been down as a pro other than that?
Bute better boxer more power but Froch uber durable, Bute on points win
Bute KO around the 9th.
KEssler might be next if the rumors are true (and if Bute wins, naturally):Après Froch, Kessler? par Jean-Luc Legendre - LE GRAND CLUB
p.s: there is a revenge clause in the contract, would Froch wins, Bute-Froch would happen next in Montreal, no idea if it's an immediate revenge though.
Wow I'm surprised by the poll!
I think Bute has his hands full here
I'm still sticking with my pick of Froch
The thing is Froch holds his left hand to low for my liking, he needs to tighten his defence, Bute on the other hand is a bit slick nice combos, that chin may be is not the best if Froch lands that right hand heQuote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
could ko Bute.When Golovkin ko Bute it showed you can catch and hurt the guy, to be honest the best
fighter Bute has faced was a old slow easy to hit Glen Johnson, same opponent for both fighters and the
same outcome.
You would have to say Froch, can be out boxed,and you may have to favour Bute but if Froch hits him hard he could go, what ever the out come it should be a good fight.
Bute on points or froch by ko. If froch turns up old he will lose, if the froch that fought pascal turns up then bute is in big trouble
Yep. 24 seconds to get up and was still completely fucked!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Still think Bute will win a UD though
The relevant question is whether Bute has improved since that first Andrade fight. Don't forget that he beat Bika who is a tough cookie. Andrade, Bika and Johnson all are of a similiar mold though: aggressive, come-forward fighters. Froch is a different animal. When it comes to experience, however, there is no doubt that Froch has the edge. It's not close. Froch probably has the edge over any single fighter in or around that weight class though, including Ward. To me, Froch has a puncher's chance here, but a decent puncher's chance. It's quite possible he ko's Bute with a big uppercut from distance that catches Bute unaware. On the other hand, I don't see Froch outboxing Bute, although Froch has a great jab. As you can see, I'm torn.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HYep. 24 seconds to get up and was still completely fucked!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Still think Bute will win a UD though
Bute says he's fighting in Nottingham because he's seen as a fighter who stays at home and fights handpicked opponents and he wants respect. So he's come to Nottingham and he's open to fighting Ward in California and Kessler in Denmark. He's there because he wants to be there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Froch has never knocked anybody out at this level other than Jermain Taylor whose stamina problem was more responsible for the KO than anything else. Taylor also put Froch down and Bute hits a lot harder. Froch was unbelievably sparked by Manfredo in the amateurs so is not indestructible and is showing his age. Bute is much faster than Froch and is a devastating body puncher and Froch was hurt with bodyshots against Kessler. Bute wins by sensational bodyshot KO in the ninth round.
I think Bute will surprise a lot of people in this fight, i really like Froch,
but i have a feeling he will be outclassed, Bute is a real quality operator
and will show his class.Wide DECISION.
Manfredo knocked out Froch? Where did this come from?
No way anyone is believing that without bombproof evidence. I'm not believing it even if I see it.
;D
I had never heard of it either but there is a couple of mentions searching on google of Froch losing by 4th round TKO to Manfredo in the amateurs. Could you imagine how much of a cock he'd have looked if Calzaghe knew about that when he was gobbing off about Joe avoiding him;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Bit like Sam Peter getting beaten by Harrison;)
No wonder Froch has never mentioned it;D
Carl Froch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia News to me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
So excited for the fight!!!
Im the same mate really looking foreward to this one.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
No doubt it will have drama, I am going to do a preview for it tomorrow. It's going to be a war though you can see it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberto duran legendIm the same mate really looking foreward to this one.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon