Lamont Peterson positive for Taking drugs? Khan fight off????

crazy :-\

This is why boxing needs this kind of strong testing - to stop cheaters and make sure the playing field is even. Either everyone should be able to use illegal drugs or no one should. But it isn't fair if one is using and the other is not. The law is the law. It must be followed. It isn't fair to a fighter's health, finances, or record for him to lose to a guy on drugs when he is not using. Only very lengthy suspensions and solid testing will minimize the use of illegal substances.

Call it off and ban him. Set an example and teach him a lesson. He won me over with the Khan fight, but cheating is deplorable.

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Originally Posted by p4pking

He may have pushed for the tests assuming he wouldn't get caught because he hasn't before, like so many others. That sounds more on point to me. Have they confirmed that it was some form of testosterone he was taking as well? There is a big gray area in all sports with that kind of thing, along with growth hormones etc.

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Yup, a banned form of synthetic testosterone, the same one Peterson has already admitted taking before the 1st fight with Khan. He's a cheater, plain and simple, and a dumb one.

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Originally Posted by shza

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Just let the fighters fight. This sh*t will be out of his system by fight night if they'll make sure he's not gonna have another shot. This will give Khan the confidence. And let's just see if it affects Peterson, knowing the 'advantage' is gone ala Margarito when he got caught against Mosley. If Peterson wins, then let's forget this crap. Hate to see fights cancelled because of all this nonsense.

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He's had anabolic-steroid-releasing implants ("pellets") since before the first fight. Sure they can take them out and he might not have abnormally high T-levels on fight-night, but he's had the advantage of them during training, which is a much bigger deal.

I'm very curious to see what the Peterson camp's explanation is. The two things that make no sense to me are:

1. If you have actual steroid implants, why would you agree to hardcore olympic-style testing (and not remove them and flush your system immediately)?

2. Why come out and admit that you had them already at the time of the first fight? (I mean, the honesty is good, I'm just wondering why they would volunteer this -- I don't think it's just because they're good people.)

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Yes, it's all very weird. As to your second question, maybe they figured it would come out anyway, and released the information as damage control.

It is a shame. He won alot of fans that night with his performance. If he cheated then what can you do. Its like allowing a runner who took some kind of drug to keep his gold medal.
I would still like to see the fight but would it be right. Im not sure.

Did he come out with an explaination yet? I cant be believable. Khan is still the Champ in my eyes now. Whats his explaination? did he say yet? Khan must be labeled Champ

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Did he come out with an explaination yet? I cant be believable. Khan is still the Champ in my eyes now. Whats his explaination? did he say yet? Khan must be labeled Champ

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His explanation (provided by his doctor) is that he was sluggish and unfocused and so underwent an endochronological panel and was determined to have abnormally low testosterone (a deficiency, essentially). And that the testosterone that was then administered just brought him up to normal levels and did not give an advantage.

Because the Nevada Commission can't hold a hearing to determine whether they'll even license him until the 15th, Golden Boy has just announced that the fight (and the whole card) is canceled.

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Did he come out with an explaination yet? I cant be believable. Khan is still the Champ in my eyes now. Whats his explaination? did he say yet? Khan must be labeled Champ

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His explanation (provided by his doctor) is that he was sluggish and unfocused and so underwent an endochronological panel and was determined to have abnormally low testosterone (a deficiency, essentially). And that the testosterone that was then administered just brought him up to normal levels and did not give an advantage.

Because the Nevada Commission can't hold a hearing to determine whether they'll even license him until the 15th, Golden Boy has just announced that the fight (and the whole card) is canceled.

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Lmao the excuses just get better and better. I remember when sprinter Dennis mitchell was caught. He said he drank some beers and had sex with his wife the night before. It caused his test to spike. Lol

The fight is defo off!which is pretty shit!didn't think Peterson wos up for that makes u wonder wot the rest ov them are up to.

surely someone could have stepped in

i reckon prescott would have took it which most fans would have been happy with

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Lmao the excuses just get better and better. I remember when sprinter Dennis mitchell was caught. He said he drank some beers and had sex with his wife the night before. It caused his test to spike

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That's actually one of the better excuses and if the doctors can prove he had low testosterone in the first place (which would be impeding his recovery in tough training camps), then it's a cut and dry case where Peterson will simply be found "not guilty" - why would any idiot be pushing for random tests whilst knowingly cheating?

Also more proof for those naive idiots who say "Nobody is bigger than the sport, rules are that the Nevada state commision should do the tests. That must be good enough!" Well no, they're not.

Cheating SOB should be striped of the title, god alone knows if he was on the PED's before the last fight ?!?!

I have a hunch that we don't hear one bit of criticism on Peterson or PEDS coming from Amir Khan:-X
Also; How effective would taking synthetic testosterone be for most athletes, assuming they had proper levels to begin with:confused:

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I'd imagine they would strip him. Big dummy. Khan v Marquez :-X

What's Randall Bailey up to?

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Bailey is fighting Mike Jones for a vacant title

Personally, I don't see how he'll escape that one, synthetic testosterone isn't an ingredient part of any nutritive complement and it sure can't be taken by accident... except if your personal straight conditioning gives you some special fixes telling you pretending it's something else,of course;D

People say Amir should fight him anyway. As much as I was looking forward to this fight, Lamont should not be able to make another cent. And his purse should be stripped as well.
Now both the brothers are tarnish. It's going to be hard coming back from this. He was one win away from a major major payday. Maybe even with Floyd.

If he's allowed to fight again, he should be force to fight Aurther Abraham at super middle with 8oz gloves!

Here my list of good fights for Khan
Maidana 2
JMM
K. Holt
Rios

I'll say again, if Peterson has the backing of his doctors and blood tests to prove he had low testosterone, this is a cut and dry case where he will be found "NOT GUILTY".

It won't be considered his fault if the pellets released more testosterone than needed into his system or if his doctors put extra in. Some of your calls for Peterson not making another cent in this sport stems from naivity. I just looked at these pellets because it's the first I've heard of them and if you're taking pellets for performance enhancing you'd have to be a complete retard.

They are designed for HRT (hormone replacement therapy) and release testosterone over a very long period of time for people with LOW TESTOSTERONE. If you wanted performance enhancing you'd inject so that your blood levels can be up to silly amounts in a short period of time.

Peterson will be found not guilty if the doctors have all their documents in place. Relax yourselves

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Also; How effective would taking synthetic testosterone be for most athletes, assuming they had proper levels to begin with:confused:

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Well higher testosterone increases protein synthesis so more protein can be absorbed by the body for recovery. The most important perk for a boxer I'd say is that testosterone reduces inflammation within the body which a boxers body will be riddled with since their training is so intense. Less inflammation means faster recovery, stronger immune system..body is just way more efficient and he'll get the most out of his training.

just heard the fights off

another big neg for the sport


and they wonder why interest is in decline

Yeah it's a real blow for Khan, who is he going to fight now though? It will be interesting to see.

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Originally Posted by Mark TKO

just heard the fights off

another big neg for the sport


and they wonder why interest is in decline

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It's only off because Golden Boy put it off (rightfully so). They have yet to have a hearing for Peterson and didn't want to risk cancelling the card at the last minute in case he was found guilty.

A smart business decision by Oscar, nothing to do with Peterson being guilty. (yet)

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Yeah it's a real blow for Khan, who is he going to fight now though? It will be interesting to see.

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Breidis Prescott i said on the 1st page i still think Prescott beats him.

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Yeah it's a real blow for Khan, who is he going to fight now though? It will be interesting to see.

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Breidis Prescott i said on the 1st page i still think Prescott beats him.

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What exactly do you think that will prove?

Khan has FAR surpassed ANYTHING Prescott has or will ever achieve. He is clearly a far superior fighter. If Prescott got lucky again all it would show is Prescott has his number. Then Khan would comeback AGAIN beating other world-class fighters, while Prescott would carry on losing to B/C/D-level fighters.

It's the most pointless rematch EVER. Fact.

Not sure what i think. With khan being such a whiney lil girl spewing such ridiculous bs all the time it's hard to know what to think. I don't think peterson was "cheating" so to say but he did fail to make those necessary aware of what he was taking and why so he is definatly initially at fault. But khan and his camp sure are quick to want to scrap the fight and push to have the belts given to him instead of fighting for them. Either way here's a link to a podcast that sure makes a whole lot of sense. Peterson physician Dr Thompson and Barry Hunter set the record straight

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Not sure what i think. With khan being such a whiney lil girl spewing such ridiculous bs all the time it's hard to know what to think. I don't think peterson was "cheating" so to say but he did fail to make those necessary aware of what he was taking and why so he is definatly initially at fault. But khan and his camp sure are quick to want to scrap the fight and push to have the belts given to him instead of fighting for them. Either way here's a link to a podcast that sure makes a whole lot of sense. Peterson physician Dr Thompson and Barry Hunter set the record straight

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i was about to post a link about that too
http://http://www.fightsaga.com/news...rson-II-is-Off
He wasn't cheating it for a health issue. yet he should have told people about it.

Guilty or not... the timing was horrible. Could this have waited until after the fight? Or been done WAY before the fight? Just wondering. Not a Khan fan or anything, but I can hardly blame him or his people for whatever comes out of their mouths... just based on the sheer frustration.

And for boxing... well, it hardly needs any more black eyes. Thank God for Cotto-Mayweather, and here's hoping Pacquiao-Bradley comes off without a hitch.

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Not sure what i think. With khan being such a whiney lil girl spewing such ridiculous bs all the time it's hard to know what to think. I don't think peterson was "cheating" so to say but he did fail to make those necessary aware of what he was taking and why so he is definatly initially at fault. But khan and his camp sure are quick to want to scrap the fight and push to have the belts given to him instead of fighting for them. Either way here's a link to a podcast that sure makes a whole lot of sense. Peterson physician Dr Thompson and Barry Hunter set the record straight

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I don't buy any of that. If that's the case, why weren't they transparent about Peterson taking it. If it is slow-releasing, why did Peterson fail the drug test? Peterson cheated by using a banned substance. It's plainly clear. This situation screams shady business.

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Originally Posted by Mark TKO

just heard the fights off

another big neg for the sport


and they wonder why interest is in decline

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It's only off because Golden Boy put it off (rightfully so). They have yet to have a hearing for Peterson and didn't want to risk cancelling the card at the last minute in case he was found guilty.

A smart business decision by Oscar, nothing to do with Peterson being guilty. (yet)

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yes but thats my point - its OFF !

Alt - explain this to me, even if he had low testasterone to begin with, (1) are athletes permitted under VADA or the Nevada Commission to supplement their natural testosterone with more testosterone? (2) Isn't it pretty cut and dry if the amount of artificial testosterone put into a body is sufficient enough to move the level of testosterone beyond a certain level, leading to failing a drug test? Let's say a normal amount of testosterone in a human is 1, and Peterson was at .7, if he only boosted to 1, under the normal tests, he wouldn't have failed the test, but if he boosted to more than 1, he fails the test. So, he took an unfair amount of testosterone because he failed the test. If it was his doctor's fault or his trainer's, is somewhat irrelevant, at the end of the day, he's getting in the ring, and it is his responsibility. Right? I am in no way an expert and just trying to understand it.

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Alt - explain this to me, even if he had low testasterone to begin with, (1) are athletes permitted under VADA or the Nevada Commission to supplement their natural testosterone with more testosterone? (2) Isn't it pretty cut and dry if the amount of artificial testosterone put into a body is sufficient enough to move the level of testosterone beyond a certain level, leading to failing a drug test? Let's say a normal amount of testosterone in a human is 1, and Peterson was at .7, if he only boosted to 1, under the normal tests, he wouldn't have failed the test, but if he boosted to more than 1, he fails the test. So, he took an unfair amount of testosterone because he failed the test. If it was his doctor's fault or his trainer's, is somewhat irrelevant, at the end of the day, he's getting in the ring, and it is his responsibility. Right? I am in no way an expert and just trying to understand it.

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can someone educate me, low level of testosterone? Lamont looked muscular :-\

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Yeah it's a real blow for Khan, who is he going to fight now though? It will be interesting to see.

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Breidis Prescott i said on the 1st page i still think Prescott beats him.

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What exactly do you think that will prove?

Khan has FAR surpassed ANYTHING Prescott has or will ever achieve. He is clearly a far superior fighter. If Prescott got lucky again all it would show is Prescott has his number. Then Khan would comeback AGAIN beating other world-class fighters, while Prescott would carry on losing to B/C/D-level fighters.

It's the most pointless rematch EVER. Fact.

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Not really pointless or lucky when he knocked out Khan in 60 seconds, people underrate Prescott he legitmately beat Abril who schooled Rios not long ago. He has lost a few fights but i still think Khan should try and put the record straight, i still think Prescott is the favourite.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Alt - explain this to me, even if he had low testasterone to begin with, (1) are athletes permitted under VADA or the Nevada Commission to supplement their natural testosterone with more testosterone? (2) Isn't it pretty cut and dry if the amount of artificial testosterone put into a body is sufficient enough to move the level of testosterone beyond a certain level, leading to failing a drug test? Let's say a normal amount of testosterone in a human is 1, and Peterson was at .7, if he only boosted to 1, under the normal tests, he wouldn't have failed the test, but if he boosted to more than 1, he fails the test. So, he took an unfair amount of testosterone because he failed the test. If it was his doctor's fault or his trainer's, is somewhat irrelevant, at the end of the day, he's getting in the ring, and it is his responsibility. Right? I am in no way an expert and just trying to understand it.

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can someone educate me, low level of testosterone? Lamont looked muscular :-\

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Pavlik, that's one function of testosterone. To support muscle growth but by no means does it mean that somebody muscular has high testosterone. So many other hormones and factors come in to play.

Rant, yeah that's pretty much it. I'm no expert on the testing but I do believe the old tests allowed you to have as high a testosterone as you wanted as long as your ratio was even (test : epitest) - in fact I still believe the shitty Nevada tests are like this.

Wada/Vada are much more comprehensive.
Also, yes I don't see why you wouldn't be allowed to supplement with testosterone if it kept your levels within range.

Finally, how can it be his fault if he is not administering the medical dosage himself? The doctors could totally be lying but nobody will question the integrity (ha!) of a doctor.

Again, if he was trying to cheat, pellets are a ridiculous option. Nothing in this whole situation leads me to believe Peterson tried to cheat unless he has the IQ of a wombat. 1) Admitting to doing it BEFORE the first fight 2) taking pellets and 3) pushing for tests if he knew he wanted to cheat.

Here is an article I just found that is helpful to understanding Peterson's culpability. In sum, the commissioner said that Peterson broke multiple rules. First and foremost, synthetic testosterone is a banned substance. However, if its use is disclosed to the commission in a timely manner, and the commission implements an indepdent review by its own medical professionals, it will in certain cases permit its use if it finds due cause. In such a case, he would be granted a therapeutic-use exemption. [One would assume that in such an instance, if it were permitted, the other side would be made aware of its use.] Therefore, Peterson violated the rules because (1) he used a banned substance, (2) failed to disclose the use of the banned substance to the Commission, and (3) failed a VADA test.

Thus, irrespective of the merit behind his use of the substance, it is a banned substance, which has to be obvious. In this day and age, anytime you are supplementing your body with more testosterone, questions will arise. What really does Peterson in here is that he failed to inform the Commission of his use of the banned substance. Why would you think Peterson would choose not to inform the commmission? The cynic might say that one reason is that his claim of low testosterone was false and he didn't believe he would be granted a therapeutic use exemption, or that he didn't want to draw any scrutiny to himself that would come with a independent review board examining his records because of what would then might be uncovered.

I have read elsewhere, but not confirmed by a reliable source, that he first took the substance three weeks before Khan-Peterson I. He travelled from D.C. to Vegas to get the testosterone treatment from a small, somewhat notoriously shady, clinic. He didn't report his use of testosterone to the D.C. commission either. Clearly, if that was the case, he was aware that he was supplementing with synthetic testosterone.

On a side note, Peterson actaully passed the Nevada drug test because his testosterone ratio was 3.77-1. He failed the VADA test because it also tests for synthetic testosterone, which is what he was taking.

NSAC's Kizer Discusses Peterson Scandal, License Issue - Boxing News

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On a side note, Peterson actaully passed the Nevada drug test because his testosterone ratio was 3.77-1. He failed the VADA test because it also tests for synthetic testosterone, which is what he

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Haha I hope this shows how utterly ridiculous the Nevada state commisions drug testing is. I can not believe more people didn't give Team Pac more hell when they were trying to avoid it with excuses like "nobody is bigger than the sport, we'll do what the commision says". Pathetic.

As an aside I think it's ridiculous that you're not allowed to supplement with synthetic testosterone to even up your natural test levels if you are low. So if Khan was up at 6 and Peterson was at 1..how fair is it that he is not allowed to even that up to within range?

It's made even more ridiculous that he would probably be allowed to supplement with things like Tribulus and ZMA to increase testosterone just because they are over the counter supplements.

Khan is over stating his case about how heavy Peterson was for the first fight and that the fight should be a no contest and that he should have his titles back. He is trying to turn back time and make people forget that he lost the fight.

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Khan is over stating his case about how heavy Peterson was for the first fight and that the fight should be a no contest and that he should have his titles back. He is trying to turn back time and make people forget that he lost the fight.

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I think it is going to work.



It's a banned substance, he knew it, everyone knew it, they just thought they would get away with it. Khan is doing what you would expect Khan to do, scream like a bratty girl and demand he got his status back.

Whether or not it should be banned is a different question. The fact is he knocked back loads of different supplements and pills and shakes when training. It's all chemically boosting stuff, topping up your mojo doesn't suddenly make you invincible.

I always picture Floyd hanging out with 50 Cent and the gang getting stoned. Not sure how he gets away with not getting caught smoking spliffs!

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Khan is over stating his case about how heavy Peterson was for the first fight and that the fight should be a no contest and that he should have his titles back. He is trying to turn back time and make people forget that he lost the fight.

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I think it is going to work.



It's a banned substance, he knew it, everyone knew it, they just thought they would get away with it. Khan is doing what you would expect Khan to do, scream like a bratty girl and demand he got his status back.

Whether or not it should be banned is a different question. The fact is he knocked back loads of different supplements and pills and shakes when training. It's all chemically boosting stuff, topping up your mojo doesn't suddenly make you invincible.

I always picture Floyd hanging out with 50 Cent and the gang getting stoned. Not sure how he gets away with not getting caught smoking spliffs!

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I do not think Floyd smokes any substances.

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I'll never stick up for a cheater. Mistakes happen in life but if he has intentionally cheated then fuck him. Lives can be lost in the ring.

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You can't mistakenly take test. It's either a needle or a rub on. The rub is useless for athletes. Not enough testosterone. Soo all these excuses athletes give is total bullshit. They know wtf they are doing. Peterson thought he wouldn't get caught. End of story. Now he is getting stripped as he should.

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My knowledge of PED's is zero. If people who know more say that it's impossible that Peterson got this substance in his body by mistake then so be it. Looks as though Peterson is getting his come uppance and rightly so.