Well what better name for Ward to cement his legacy than the undefeated greatest super middle of all time Sven Ottke instead.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
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Well what better name for Ward to cement his legacy than the undefeated greatest super middle of all time Sven Ottke instead.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
Zaghers is a legend, beat a better version of kessler than both ward and froch fought! And cleanlly too! Sakio bika when asked recently who the best fighter he has fought is said 'Joe CALZAGHE'! Kessler reckon's calzaghe is the best fighter he fought too!
The calzaghe that dominated eubank beats any version of ward, the eubank win was more a impressive performance and eubank is a more impressive fighter than dawson, Dawson looked ok outboxing 45 yr olds but come on.....The dawson that showed up against ward was clearly very beatable, i can't say that for eubank the eubank that joe fought!
What a joke! Beating the #1 guy in the division, who was on everyone's top 10 p4p list "doesn't mean a lot"? Do you honestly think Ward would have lost if the fight had been at 175? Dawson was 185 in the ring (to Ward's 176) anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYep, the win doesnt mean alot, especially when you consider that Pascal already beat him at his own weight, when he had a bit more ambition and was undefeated.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMacMagician
Look at the Bika fight and the Kessler fight. Calzaghe beat both by fighting. Ward had to hold on or be stopped against Bika and had to smash his head in to Kesslers face a fair few times as well.
Calzaghe got the fresher versions nad his fights against them were infinately more watchable.
The Pascal fight was a fluke. Dawson lost the fight, Pascal didn't beat him (and Pascal was a round from getting KO'd when the fight was stopped); by contrast, Ward beat the hell out of Dawson. Are you really trying to imply that Pascal would beat Ward at 175? Or even be competitive? This is the guy who lost (twice, really) to the twice-as-old version of Ward.
What fight at light heavyweight is competitive for Ward? Pascal and Cloud are a step below Dawson (Cloud is probably two steps below Dawson), whom Ward has already dominated.
To each his own on "fun-to-watch" styles. Personally, I was never into the Calzaghe slap-fest show.
What a nuthugger. Try that again without ignoring that Ward had been fighting with a broken hand for many rounds at that point. Even putting that aside, no one outside of British nuthuggers thinks the Froch fight was remotely close. The guy has a big heart and takes every challenge and deserves huge respect for that -- but he is and always has been a very crude fighter. Would Ward have been dominated for 10 rounds by Jermain Taylor? Don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropanukeWrong!! Ward was all over the place when froch caught him with a jab in like the tenth round. In round 12 froch was jogging to close the gap and ward was running like dirrell.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
In Ward, Froch came up against a guy who had just as much heart, will to win, and confidence as he did, but had world-class talent to boot. Same result every time.
You are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by shzaWhat a nuthugger. Try that again without ignoring that Ward had been fighting with a broken hand for many rounds at that point. Even putting that aside, no one outside of British nuthuggers thinks the Froch fight was remotely close. The guy has a big heart and takes every challenge and deserves huge respect for that -- but he is and always has been a very crude fighter. Would Ward have been dominated for 10 rounds by Jermain Taylor? Don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by DropanukeWrong!! Ward was all over the place when froch caught him with a jab in like the tenth round. In round 12 froch was jogging to close the gap and ward was running like dirrell.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
In Ward, Froch came up against a guy who had just as much heart, will to win, and confidence as he did, but had world-class talent to boot. Same result every time.
Eubank was way out of prime!
Theres always an excuse for every fighter. Wards team called out calzaghe and everyone knows jc will stay retired. It was just the cocky response jc made about he would have beaten ward if was still around.
Retired fighters can say anything!
The only retired fighter that could come back tomorrow and truly compete is lennox lewis (weak divison).
A guy who ducked no one.
Come on now most fighters, are cocky bastards are they not.!Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Ward is a better fighter now. Whether he can be a multi weight champion remains to be seen.
Calzaghe didnt say he could beat him now, he said he would have beaten him.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Lewis would be shite now and he ducked Chris Byrd. He didnt want to go anywhere near him and I can remember the crap Lewis used to come out with that it would be a lion against a Byrd. He may well have flattened Byrd but I reckon he was scared of beingmade to look a fool by him.
Seriously i mean getting floored x3 by ward is just embarrassing!!! And then he quits!! LOL. Chinny allen green and miranda made it a fight for 12 rounds ffs! Dawson is clearly overrated....I mean it's not like he was still a work in progress fighting a hard hitting opponent i.e Sanders v wlad is it?? Ward can't punch to save his life....If a euro had quit like that he would be getting pulverised all over the net!
Seriously bika was bullying ward and if froch had of got at the races earlier it would have been much more interesting.... And pascal did whoop dawsons ass!
Dawson said he fought his fight, what more do you want me to say to back up Pascal beat him fairly!
p.s If any of you didn't hear Dawson saying his shoulder was NOT injured then either read that or remember Pascal fought about 8 rounds with a dislocated shoulder that had to be popped back in 3 times during the fight v Diaconu 2 and he still won wide! And I understand Dawson COULD HAVE knocked Pascal out but Pascal has a proven granite chin and who has Dawson actually knocked out? Ye thats right, nobody important. Also take into account Pascal hurt Dawson 2 or 3 times and very badly one of the times. Pascal hurt Dawson more times than Dawson hurt Pascal! And dawson had only won 2 rounds at the most, il laugh if they rematch because i gurantee pascal will whoop his ass again, hold me to it!
And johnson probably whooped him too! Dawsons probably done as of right now..The eubank that calzaghe beat, beats the snot outta the dawson that ward beat, in fact id even favour bute over dawson right now, its not like dawson is a pressure fighter with a big punch!
:biteit: too easy, Beanz!Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzA Daily Mail expose from a spurned ex dated April 2010? ooh! ;D You have serious issues mate. He is a good looking chap and all that but I don't think you were ever his type to be honest:gorgeous:;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
The fact that the article was from such a credible source of information added to the humour I thought ;D
Eubank was not shot, he was 31 ffs! What was tarver and hopkins 46/7 when dawson fought them?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossCalzaghe didnt say he could beat him now, he said he would have beaten him.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Lewis would be shite now and he ducked Chris Byrd. He didnt want to go anywhere near him and I can remember the crap Lewis used to come out with that it would be a lion against a Byrd. He may well have flattened Byrd but I reckon he was scared of beingmade to look a fool by him.
Eubank had just gone 1-1 with Steve Collins in most peoples minds before he fought Calzaghe, they were both toss ups the Collins fights, The SD loss was in collins home town!!
After Calzaghe he twice got hosed out of the CRUISERWEIGHT title, once by a bad decision and in the second one his opponent needed a KO to win because Eubank was so far infront...It got stopped because of swelling.
Eubank v thompson was voted FOTY, hardly the mark of a shot fighter! He put em both down too, imagine what he would have dne to dawson!!
Eubank was still an A-level fighter when he fought Joe, no doubt about that, Eubank that Calzaghe beat knocks out dawson!
Eubank being shot is a haters myth, calzaghe had only been pro barely 4 years and comprehensively outboxed eubank flooring him twice, underrated win. IF ANYTHING CALZAGHE WAS GREEN!
As for lewis v byrd, lewis did not fight southpaws, he dropped the IBF belt rather than face byrd, that is fact! I dont think he was neccessarily ducking him but it was high risk low reward fight, byrd was not a marquee name and he had a habit of making fighters look bad! I think lewis probably avoided sanders though...and any idiot that thinks that lewis would make any impact if he came back now are clearly delusional fanboys, what is he nearly 50 and about 25 stone!! Wlad would make mincemeat of him...the likes of solis would make him look foolish too! Idiotic statement! None of the 90's fighters could make an impact in wlads era, mcall, tua, holy, tucker, briggs, mercer, golota, tyson, witherspoon, biggs, grant, maskaev, rahman, moorer, etc all got beat by klitschko opponents....
Fuckoff wiv that shit era crap, just because it doesn't fit your particular M.O doesn't mean its shit! The 90's mob couldn't even beat james toney lol...
Calzaghe at his best is significantly better than Ward. Ward just beat a weight drained Dawson, heabbutted his way over Kessler, and was flailing at the end against Bika and Froch. I find it absurd that Ward is rated so highly. He is good at what he does, but is horrible. It is also quite sad that he is trying to tempt someone who has been out for several years. Of course Calzaghe will have none of it.
Billy Goat Jesus will have to go look for another animal to butt.
Thats it, he has to use every dirty trick in the book, headbut, hold, rabbit punch, bring a fighter down in weight. Against Kessler it was a disgrace it was allowed to continue, he should have been warned. If he had been warned for each headbutt he would have been disqualified. Then against Ftoch and Bika, he is so skilled thatthey both finished as strong as they started while Ward ran and held.
One of my favourite bits from a Ward fight is in the 12th against Froch and hes trying like fuck to cling on but Froch has his elbow under Wards chin. Its this point that should highlight to everyone how much Ward relies on holding. All of his work revolves around it. Lurching in with punches to just hold.
Go to 7.07 in to this video to see the limpit in action;D
YouTube - Andre Ward vs. Carl Froch: Full Fight Part 4/4 by TheOfficialRobz
Miranda's Trainer Confirms Dawson Drilled in Sparring - Boxing News
Miranda owned dawson in sparring!
I've been reading these rumours and it all makes sense now. There was no reason for Ward to be knocking down Dawson.But weight loss and bad sparring. It all sounds like Hatton preparing against Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
I would also like to point out that eubanks career was littered with close decisions:
-Ray close Draw
-Malinga SD
-Benn II Draw
-Collins 2 SD
-Watson MD
-Thompson 1 Dodgy UD! Voted FOTY on both sides of the pond.
-Even the Henry wharton fight was close(ish).
Two judges score the thompson fight 114-113, plus eubank floored him! Why do u think there was such a quick rematch?? Eubank was far from shot and that eubank anihilates dawson.
Chris Eubank = Heart of a Lion. His chin was like iron and his will like a piece of steel. He was also incredibly entertaining and possibly the most charismatic boxer since Ali. A true fighter to the core.
Froch was 35 when he fought ward ffs! Calzaghes performance over a 31 yr old eubank was unbelievable for such a green fighter, That calzaghe fuckin ruins ward! Ward has not come close to putting on a performance like that yet! Plus when calzaghe fought bika and kessler he was mid 30's, Ward is mid 20's! Prime calzaghe owns ward.
Philosopher you ‘normally’ talk sense but it is fact that Eubanks fought Joe at short notice because he was due to fight on the same card against a light heavy. The result would have been the same because Joe would not be denied and you are correct Joe was green because he was did not pace himself in that fight and was exhausted at the end.
Lennox would have beaten Byrd and Ruiz who went on and picked up the titles that Lewis dropped. Lennox had unified the titles and he achieved what he needed to and the politics and corruption to keep the titles would have been a lot of effort for very little reward.
If true, this is just chicken shit by Ward and his team. Maybe Ward is jealous of Calzaghe's popularity as a champion and the fact that SOG's fights are crap to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
But 12 years later people still recognise that Lewis ducked Byrd;)
He refused to fight him, make of it what you will.
Well, when you fought Byrd, you also had to fight Jesus, that probably scared Lennox. :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
There are some things that never go away. You have to be man or woman enough to deal with them for the rest of you life.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
LOL popularity?? One of JC's biggest insecurities was that he wasn't popular enough or given the respect he felt he deserved (he didn't).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axIf true, this is just chicken shit by Ward and his team. Maybe Ward is jealous of Calzaghe's popularity as a champion and the fact that SOG's fights are crap to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Prime for prime, Ward pitches a shutout. Be's not stupid enough to get caught by those silly windmills of JC just like Bernard wasn't. Hopkins just ran out of steam being 40 something and STILL won the fight I thought. What on earth do you think Ward would do to good ol' JC?
Eubank was given very short notice and had to quickly come down in weight..Once again Philosopher, you manipulate data to suit your arguments. Nobody said Eubank was shot, people only state the obvious. Eubank was drained and on short notice..STILL wasn't easy for JC.
An objective view would be to say both fought each other on short notice, steve collins anyone? It works both ways. Eubank had been training to fight Mark Prince at light heavyweight, He had two weeks to get down to 168lbs. However it is well known that eubank regularly had to shed 15lbs to make weight for many of his SMW fights, he never complained about it so why are you??Quote:
Philosopher you ‘normally’ talk sense but it is fact that Eubanks fought Joe at short notice because he was due to fight on the same card against a light heavy.
Prime calzaghe wins a UD over prime eubank..Quote:
The result would have been the same because Joe would not be denied and you are correct Joe was green because he was did not pace himself in that fight and was exhausted at the end.
Lennox would have beaten Byrd and Ruiz who went on and picked up the titles that Lewis dropped. Lennox had unified the titles and he achieved what he needed to and the politics and corruption to keep the titles would have been a lot of effort for very little reward.[/QUOTE]I agree, although byrd deserved his shot. Natural fight to make back then, bit like wlad v povetkin is now. Lewis vs a southpaw would have been interesting though.
You kidding?Quote:
Originally Posted by AlthugzLOL popularity?? One of JC's biggest insecurities was that he wasn't popular enough or given the respect he felt he deserved (he didn't).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axIf true, this is just chicken shit by Ward and his team. Maybe Ward is jealous of Calzaghe's popularity as a champion and the fact that SOG's fights are crap to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Prime for prime, Ward pitches a shutout. Be's not stupid enough to get caught by those silly windmills of JC just like Bernard wasn't. Hopkins just ran out of steam being 40 something and STILL won the fight I thought. What on earth do you think Ward would do to good ol' JC?
Eubank was given very short notice and had to quickly come down in weight..Once again Philosopher, you manipulate data to suit your arguments. Nobody said Eubank was shot, people only state the obvious. Eubank was drained and on short notice..STILL wasn't easy for JC.
More than twice as many people were at Calzaghe v Kessler than there were at Hatton v Tszyu;D
Right now if Calzaghe did come back he would still sell out millenium stadium. There isnt another fighter as popular as him around bar Mayweather or Pacquiao.
He would of had no problem with Chris Byrd, considering Wladimir Klitschko who is pretty much similar to Lennox Lewis but not quite as good dominated Chris Byrd in two fights. Also Chris Byrd in 3 fights in a row had controversial decisions vs Oquendo, Golota, McCline. I seriously doubt he doubt of avoided a blown up Cruiserweight in Chris Byrd, considering he took on more dangerous opponents in his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Quote from Byrd around the time that Lennox refused to defend against him.
"It's Emmanuel Steward. That is the reason why Lennox Lewis will not fight me. Emmanuel knows my style beats Lennox. Lennox would never hit me and Steward wants somebody to stand in front of Lennox. That's why Lennox wants to fight the Klitschko brothers, because they will stand flat-footed in front of him. Lennox is too big and too slow and he is older now. He is 37 years old. My reflexes are quicker. I would make him look silly. I am too great of a challenge. You go ask anybody in the top ten, "Who do you NOT want to fight?" and everyone will tell you "Chris Byrd" because I am too quick, too slick and I will make you look bad. I wish Lennox had been a man about this. Evander Holyfied has said he wants to avoid me but he has always stepped up to the plate. Evander has never ducked a challenge. All of the great boxers fight everyone. Look at Ali! Look at Holyfield! Lennox will go through the rest of his life with people saying he avoided me. How can you say someone is not worthy who has earned the #1 spot? It is greedy. A true champion fights anyone in the division. I would fight whoever was there if I was champion. I have already proven I will fight anybody, anywhere. I have lost to Ike Ibeabuchi and Wladimir Klitschko. Ike would have been the future of boxing if he had stayed out of trouble and Wladimir is considered one of the best. Lennox was beat by Hasim Rahman and Oliver McCall. If I am not worthy, are Rahman or McCall worthy because they beat him?"
That's just his opinion though which is fair enough, but he says Lennox Lewis wouldn't hit him but Wladimir Klitschko hit him plenty and battered him around the ring twice. I just don't see why Lennox Lewis would duck a feather fisted blown up Cruiserweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Lennox Lewis would do just what Wladimir Klitschko did, keep him at range with the jab. And then occassionally fire right hands. I can't see Chris Byrd lasting the full 12 with a puncher like Lennox Lewis, he would be embarrassed and KO'ed just like he was with Wladimir Klitschko.
This was back then though. After he made Vitali quit;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBThat's just his opinion though which is fair enough, but he says Lennox Lewis wouldn't hit him but Wladimir Klitschko hit him plenty and battered him around the ring twice. I just don't see why Lennox Lewis would duck a feather fisted blown up Cruiserweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Lennox Lewis would do just what Wladimir Klitschko did, keep him at range with the jab. And then occassionally fire right hands. I can't see Chris Byrd lasting the full 12 with a puncher like Lennox Lewis, he would be embarrassed and KO'ed just like he was with Wladimir Klitschko.
Whatch this, Byrd made Vitali look a twat!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FecLhLS8ibI
This is pointless. The guy is 40 now and has been out of training for years.
I think Ward should be thinking about moving down a weight and going for another seemingly invincible fighter in Martinez. After Martinez beats Chavez junior, I see no reason for this fight not to happen. I think Ward would win but you know that his jaw will definately be tested in this one.
Team Johnson dare Jeffries to come out of retirement This guy could not even agree to 170.Quote:
Team Ward dare Joe Calzaghe to come out of retirement
F$%^off.
I love how it'os turned into a lewis thread lol. I dnt know why ppl r using byrd v wlad as to how lewis would handle byrd! Silly comparison. Wlad is more athletic and moves better than lennox IMO plus he know's how to fight southpaws (He's fought more southpaws than any other HW champ ever!). Holy lost to every Southpaw he ever fought, tyson and lewis never fought one (Not anyone world class anyway) Ali only fought 2, mediocre richard dunn and half decent karl mildenberger (who frustrated the hell out of ali) Ali said mildenberger was his trickiest ever fight (style wise)! Lennox never fought any quick/slick fighters like byrd or haye so u have no idea how he would do against them!
Byrd deserved his shot. And so what if he won a close one over mcline, it wasn't controversial, byrd was schooling him at times, mcline was huge with a massive reach and byrd boxed toe to toe with him (Don't forget mcline had just beaten up michael grant and shannon briggs! And would put peter down 3 times too!) Mcline was touted for big things until he crumbled vs wlad! If lewis could give kirk johnson a shot why not byrd?? Byrd was his mandatory! It's irrelevant that lewis would be fave to beat him.
Heres what happened....Lewis defended his WBC & IBF titles against Mike Tyson 6.8.2002 he then had to defend his title against No1 contender Chris Byrd and refused so was stripped... Lewis then chose to fight the amazing Kirk Johnson in defence of the pitiful IBO belt, Johnson pulled out due to injury so Lewis brought forward his mandatory WBC defence against Vitali Klitschko from December 2003 to June 2003.. u cant act like byrd so far beneath u u dont need to fight him then go beat up Botha lol.
In truth tho Lewis probably just thought im not gonna look good against Byrd.. Emmanuel Stewart told Lewis that Byrd could make him look very bad and that it could harm Lewis standing..so they avoided him, yet think if we only had one governing body with only the one belt
Lewis was a fat shell of himself and he was still dominating! Come on, so lewis is prime ducker now?Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
He dropped his belt rather than face his mandatory! What does that tell u? A champ faces his mandatories. I think he avoided sanders too.Quote:
Lewis was a fat shell of himself and he was still dominating! Come on, so lewis is prime ducker now?
Prime Sanders might have ko Lewis. Prime 100% Fully Motivated Corrie Sanders.
Sanders KO Lewis 2
Byrd SD Lewis 12
Sanders vs. Byrd for the true undisputed title and lineage. Book it, baby! Vanilla SouthPaw beat the Chocolate Southpaw is the real question? Sanders has reach and power..but Byrd has slickness? I'm totally torn.
As for fat old lewis u are talking shit! He was 250 for tyson, 256 for VK and 246 for holy. Secondly he was only a year older than wlad is now when he retired and had just put on one of his career defining performances in his superfight with tyson! What the hell was the 235lb version of tyson that lewis fought? He went onto get kayoed by danny williams! Tysons average prime weight was 220lbs! (see bruno fights!) How about a 38 yr old holy? Double standards anyone! Lewis a shot linear champ....go figure!!
If anyone was a shell it was 32 yr old vitali klitschko who had carried numerous injuries through from his kickboxing days and had 11 days notice to fight the linear champ! Secondly vitali weighed 250lbs he regularly scaled at 245lbs so if lewis was 5 lbs overweight so was vitali! Personally i dont think we truly ever saw the best vitali klitschko! I mean he has been plagued with injuries his entire career, most brought about through his pro career in kicboxing as a youth (a much more brutal game than the boxing am's or pro boxing!)
If u want to talk prime lewis then let's talk about when lennox blew it in the 90's against tyson by being blown out in 2 by featherfisted mcall!
Lewis unified the belts, he did what he always wanted. The rest was all politics, king controlled fighters. Lewis got paid $1 million for giving the title to Ruiz and a range rover. Is Byrd related to you in some way?
Do u think byrd deserved his shot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Byrd UD tua
Byrd UD holy
Byd DRAW golota
Byrd UD phil jackson
Byrd INJURY TKO klitschko (like lewis).
Byrd SD mcline (Had just beaten briggs and grant!)
I think so. Lewis relinquished his belt that is just plain fact. Emmanuel steward knew how good byrd was....
The fact that Byrd boxed an even fight with Golota tells u how good he was! Also note that Byrd did not have the physical advantages Tyson, Bowe, Lewis etc had VS Golota (They were all SHW's like Golota himself) Golota was a chinny mental midget but if u didn't have a punch then the likelihood would be he would beat you! Byrd boxed better against golota than ruiz, grant and bowe did! Ruiz fight was an outright robbery, grant nearly died getting the win and bowe was beaten up twice!
You truly are funny and very selective.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERDo u think byrd deserved his shot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Byrd UD tua
Byrd UD holy
Byd DRAW golota
Byrd UD phil jackson
Byrd INJURY TKO klitschko (like lewis).
Byrd SD mcline (Had just beaten briggs and grant!)
I think so. Lewis relinquished his belt that is just plain fact. Emmanuel steward knew how good byrd was....
The fact that Byrd boxed an even fight with Golota tells u how good he was! Also note that Byrd did not have the physical advantages Tyson, Bowe, Lewis etc had VS Golota (They were all SHW's like Golota himself) Golota was a chinny mental midget but if u didn't have a punch then the likelihood would be he would beat you! Byrd boxed better against golota than ruiz, grant and bowe did! Ruiz fight was an outright robbery, grant nearly died getting the win and bowe was beaten up twice!
Holyfield was old
Byd DRAW golota very conterversial, Lewis pulversied Golota
Byrd UD phil jackson the same fighter that got stopped by Rudduck for his warm up fight with Lewis?
Byrd INJURY TKO klitschko (like lewis) No! nothing like Lewis,Lewis won!
Byrd SD mcline after getting knocked down. Another close decision.
Truth is Byrd should be thanking Lewis for allowing Byrd to earn some money. :)
Glad I'm not the only one that see's this.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYou truly are funny and very selectiveQuote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHERDo u think byrd deserved his shot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Byrd UD tua
Byrd UD holy
Byd DRAW golota
Byrd UD phil jackson
Byrd INJURY TKO klitschko (like lewis).
Byrd SD mcline (Had just beaten briggs and grant!)
I think so. Lewis relinquished his belt that is just plain fact. Emmanuel steward knew how good byrd was....
The fact that Byrd boxed an even fight with Golota tells u how good he was! Also note that Byrd did not have the physical advantages Tyson, Bowe, Lewis etc had VS Golota (They were all SHW's like Golota himself) Golota was a chinny mental midget but if u didn't have a punch then the likelihood would be he would beat you! Byrd boxed better against golota than ruiz, grant and bowe did! Ruiz fight was an outright robbery, grant nearly died getting the win and bowe was beaten up twice!
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