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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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He is 48 and yes he doesnt fight a dynamic style that looks like he could be on something but did Toney look like he was on them?
A year ago no one would have a bad word said against Lance Armstrong, if you did you were jealous and a hater. He has admitted now to using very suffisticated methods for years. Why would it be out of the realms of possibility for someone like Hopkins?
We have learnt with boxing when something looks too good to be true it generally turns out that way.
There was the time that Pascal asked him to take a test and Hopkins got more riled than I think we have ever seen him but gave no answer.
Hopkins Pascal II press conference steroids issue and what they have to say after. - YouTube
Also, one of the best and simplest methods to test for any substances amd is like a diary depending on how long is hair testing and Bernard shaves his head. They use hair testing commonly for new recruits in the police and other job applications but have never cottoned on in boxing. Now could this he because it is too comprehensive and they would prefer the smoke screen of pathetic urine testing?
I cant help but be suspicious of Hopkins. Years ago at middle weight he was losing it against the likes of Taylor but now years later and at a higher weight his work rate has improved?
Hopkins threw and landed more against Cloud than he did in the Taylor rematch over 7 years ago! Even against Dawson he threw more and against Calzaghe he threw more still!
I'm a lil more suspicious about the slim chance, but a chance nonetheless, that Cloud and other opponents could be paid off to let B-Hop win. I'm a huge Hopkins fan and I believe his wins are authentic, but with boxing you never know...
As far as the Taylor example, well Bernard was DRAINED down to 160 at an advanced age so he really had to conserve his energy. And Jermain Taylor was unbeaten then and a very perceived threat. He was perceived as better than he was by the press, fans and Hopkins himself.
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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He's so much smarter than Cloud he won just the way we thought he would, if Hopkins were on PEDs he would be even more dominant
Haha! Yeah right!
You lot think by anyone taking peformance enhancing drugs will instantly turn them in to superman. No. Hopkins is skillfull but he is fucking 48! Even with drugs he's not going to turn in to Mike Tyson!
To me, whatever he is taking is allowing him to work harder now than he did 8 years ago.
You dont start training harder at 48, after that many middleweight defences...
Hopkins does
Exactly my point...
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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Jermain was a very good fighter until the partying caught up with him....and also the end of both of the fights vs Hopkins probably made him damaged goods.
Hopkins is who he is, he's always been a difficult fight because he's so damned cagey. He's awkward & strong & a good ring general, but I will say I hate the dude. I just wish Roy Jones Jr rematched him a lot sooner than when he did, but also that was B-Hop's doing as well as he wasn't going to leave 160 til he got beaten & Roy could no longer make the weight.
I wonder how Hop would have done vs Eubank, Benn, Collins, Jackson, Toney et al
Eubank, Benn and Toney would have all beaten Hopkins. He struggled with class middleweights, genuine natural middleweights.
Benn style was fucking made for Hopkins. He would of been embarrassed.
I spose abenns style was also taylor made for McClellan too. If that fight had never happened and McClellan had had to retire right before that fight, this is exactly what would have been said about it. It was almost true but for Benn being a hard stubborn bastard.
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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Was George Foreman cutting his steroids with butter then?
Maybe he had the same stuff Toney did...:rolleyes: by fuck people are thick! You don't look like adonis just because you took steroids! They will though enhance your performance.
Foreman wasn't outperforming his younger self. He wasn't throwing more punches in a fight than he used to.
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Jermain was a very good fighter until the partying caught up with him....and also the end of both of the fights vs Hopkins probably made him damaged goods.
Hopkins is who he is, he's always been a difficult fight because he's so damned cagey. He's awkward & strong & a good ring general, but I will say I hate the dude. I just wish Roy Jones Jr rematched him a lot sooner than when he did, but also that was B-Hop's doing as well as he wasn't going to leave 160 til he got beaten & Roy could no longer make the weight.
I wonder how Hop would have done vs Eubank, Benn, Collins, Jackson, Toney et al
Eubank, Benn and Toney would have all beaten Hopkins. He struggled with class middleweights, genuine natural middleweights.
Benn style was fucking made for Hopkins. He would of been embarrassed.
I spose abenns style was also taylor made for McClellan too. If that fight had never happened and McClellan had had to retire right before that fight, this is exactly what would have been said about it. It was almost true but for Benn being a hard stubborn bastard.
FFS, it's tailor made, like a suit.
Do you actually watch these fights? or just look at stats on boxrec? McClellan's style is nothing like Hopkins', so why bring him up? You would have been better placed to bring up awkward fighters like Malinga or Eubank, both of whom beat Benn and neither of whom are as good as Hopkins.
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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El Kabong
Jermain was a very good fighter until the partying caught up with him....and also the end of both of the fights vs Hopkins probably made him damaged goods.
Hopkins is who he is, he's always been a difficult fight because he's so damned cagey. He's awkward & strong & a good ring general, but I will say I hate the dude. I just wish Roy Jones Jr rematched him a lot sooner than when he did, but also that was B-Hop's doing as well as he wasn't going to leave 160 til he got beaten & Roy could no longer make the weight.
I wonder how Hop would have done vs Eubank, Benn, Collins, Jackson, Toney et al
Eubank, Benn and Toney would have all beaten Hopkins. He struggled with class middleweights, genuine natural middleweights.
Benn style was fucking made for Hopkins. He would of been embarrassed.
I spose abenns style was also taylor made for McClellan too. If that fight had never happened and McClellan had had to retire right before that fight, this is exactly what would have been said about it. It was almost true but for Benn being a hard stubborn bastard.
It was. If that joke of a ref didn't keep pushing McClellan off Benn, Benn doesn't make it out the first. And that's a fact. Watch the fight. And count how many times the ref was seperating them for no reason. Benn was getting slaughtered. The ref saved him
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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The only guy I'mk not suspicious about is Donaire. Hopkins could be taking EPO, which increases the amount of oxygen carried by the blood and so massively boosts stamina. All the cyclists take it. It's undetectable one hour after injecting. He could also be taking |HGH which improves recovery time and helps with injuries. Also basically undetectable. There are other things as well. Even if he is taking stuff, and he probably is, he's still an amzing fighter and a freak of nature.
Would high altitute training be comparable to Blood doping or the results won't even come close? As for HGH well I'm not sure. I'll just say this, like you the only boxer I know isn't juicing is Donaire and perhaphs rigo (for the simple fact he was so dominant in olympics for a long time that I highly doubt he'd start juicing now for no reason.)
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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ross
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He is 48 and yes he doesnt fight a dynamic style that looks like he could be on something but did Toney look like he was on them?
A year ago no one would have a bad word said against Lance Armstrong, if you did you were jealous and a hater. He has admitted now to using very suffisticated methods for years. Why would it be out of the realms of possibility for someone like Hopkins?
We have learnt with boxing when something looks too good to be true it generally turns out that way.
There was the time that Pascal asked him to take a test and Hopkins got more riled than I think we have ever seen him but gave no answer.
Hopkins Pascal II press conference steroids issue and what they have to say after. - YouTube
Also, one of the best and simplest methods to test for any substances amd is like a diary depending on how long is hair testing and Bernard shaves his head. They use hair testing commonly for new recruits in the police and other job applications but have never cottoned on in boxing. Now could this he because it is too comprehensive and they would prefer the smoke screen of pathetic urine testing?
I cant help but be suspicious of Hopkins. Years ago at middle weight he was losing it against the likes of Taylor but now years later and at a higher weight his work rate has improved?
Hopkins threw and landed more against Cloud than he did in the Taylor rematch over 7 years ago! Even against Dawson he threw more and against Calzaghe he threw more still!
I'm a lil more suspicious about the slim chance, but a chance nonetheless, that Cloud and other opponents could be paid off to let B-Hop win. I'm a huge Hopkins fan and I believe his wins are authentic, but with boxing you never know...
As far as the Taylor example, well Bernard was DRAINED down to 160 at an advanced age so he really had to conserve his energy. And Jermain Taylor was unbeaten then and a very perceived threat. He was perceived as better than he was by the press, fans and Hopkins himself.
That is really really stretching it!
Over the last year alone how many fighters have been caught cheating? Then you have the whole Lance Armstrong thing that no body could ever accept before hand he would ever dream of cheating. Do not be fooled like Armstrong fooled every one. No 48 year old beats a 31 year old world champion in boxing. There have been far better skilled fighters than Hopkins but all have deteriorated with age. Suspicious is what it is and I will not believe he is not cheating u til he proves it and he did have a chance to put rumours to bed when Pascal brought it up but chose to be looked at under suspicion instead of awe.
Archie Moore?
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
Not at all; I really believe that he lives and breathes boxing and takes care of himself day in and day out. A true legend and professional who is schooling the youngsters.
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
So, a 48 year old athlete doesn't not get injuries?
Not just any athlete throwing a ball through a hoop, one who takes punches to the head from m******* ers who are paid to hurt him.
Who's been through decade upon decade in the game, training day in day out taking abuse after abuse.
Bernard Hopkins, 48, doesn't partake in PEDs because his muscles aren't big, or doesn't throw 1000 punches a fight?
Lol, ok.
Bernard, at 48, must have supernatural recouping abilities.
Because PEDs are just for muscles, right?
Not to recover/prevent injuries?
He could have a testosterone ratio of 4:1 under Nevada if he uses TRT, as long as he doesn't test over - NO ONE HAS TO KNOW.
****, he could have a ratio of 2:1 of test and be ok under Nevada regulations.
No, IMO, he's not using steroid for looks.
No, he's not using them to increase his output.
He is IMO, using for injuries( 48 yr old body) and to sustain his longevity in the brutal sport.
I know, Hopkins doesn't drink, smoke, always lived his life right, etc..
This is just my opinion.
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So what was archie moore using? What was foreman using? Your only saying he was on something because you thought he was gonna lose and you bet against him and now your trying to sound like less of an ass than you are. Is it that hard to believe that someone can be that motivated and that determined to actually do it at that age. come on and give the man the credit he deserves. Pretty soon anyone who wins a boxing match or an mlb game or an nfl game will have to be on steroids. I woke up at 7 in the am today and walked to the store oh shit i must have taken something to make it all the way back home in the same shape I was in. Come on now lets get serious and stop this accusing bullshit about everyone and everything.
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
Hold on, your not talking about me?
Lol, I didn't bet this fight.
But this fight at +130 was all about Hopkins.
I'm giving my opinion of a boxer I followed throughout the years.
Not because I follow this one particular boxer, but because I follow multiple combat sports, multiple fighters in each sport, and after putting everything together - the post above is a conclusion of mine.
Just my opinion.
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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Hold on, your not talking about me?
Lol, I didn't bet this fight.
But this fight at +130 was all about Hopkins.
I'm giving my opinion of a boxer I followed throughout the years.
Not because I follow this one particular boxer, but because I follow multiple combat sports, multiple fighters in each sport, and after putting everything together - the post above is a conclusion of mine.
Just my opinion.
So at what age does any athlete have to start using to be competitive? And at what age does an athlete have to stop so he doesnt get accused?
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
Archie Moore and George Foreman?
Foreman took a decade off of fighting between ages 28-38.
Didn't necessarily live in the gym, as Hopkins does, post retirement.
IMO, he relied on his power and natural abilities.
Moore? Simple, they don't make them like that anymore ;)
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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So what was archie moore using? What was foreman using? Your only saying he was on something because you thought he was gonna lose and you bet against him and now your trying to sound like less of an ass than you are. Is it that hard to believe that someone can be that motivated and that determined to actually do it at that age. come on and give the man the credit he deserves. Pretty soon anyone who wins a boxing match or an mlb game or an nfl game will have to be on steroids. I woke up at 7 in the am today and walked to the store oh shit i must have taken something to make it all the way back home in the same shape I was in. Come on now lets get serious and stop this accusing bullshit about everyone and everything.
If your talking about me... What the fuck are you on about?
I had no opinion on this fight beforehand, check out my posts. I didn't bet on it, I'm not a fan of either boring fighter.
Im saying I don't believe its possible for a 48 year old man to have a higher punch output now than he did 8 years ago. Explain why he wasn't punching that much 8 years ago against a lesser fighter than Calzaghe, Pascal, Dawson and Cloud?
He had a chance to take Pascal up on his offer to take tests a couple of years ago and rather than laughing it off and taking it as a compliment and actually proving how good he is by taking tests he spat the dummy out.
Hopkins is the kind of man that if he can prove something, he will. Has he not drummed that in to us and the media over the years with his little boring speaches?
I dont believe everyone is on steroids but we have been shown that when something looks too good to be true it is. Jones Jr, Mosley, Holyfield etc and not boxing but Lance Armstrong.
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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Mrhydro
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Hold on, your not talking about me?
Lol, I didn't bet this fight.
But this fight at +130 was all about Hopkins.
I'm giving my opinion of a boxer I followed throughout the years.
Not because I follow this one particular boxer, but because I follow multiple combat sports, multiple fighters in each sport, and after putting everything together - the post above is a conclusion of mine.
Just my opinion.
So at what age does any athlete have to start using to be competitive? And at what age does an athlete have to stop so he doesnt get accused?
I don't think an athlete needs to start in order to be competitive, but it is getting increasingly harder not too.
Stop what? Usage? Fighting?
If there were more examples of athletes being competitive especially boxers, then we could make much better comparisons.
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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Mrhydro
So what was archie moore using? What was foreman using? Your only saying he was on something because you thought he was gonna lose and you bet against him and now your trying to sound like less of an ass than you are. Is it that hard to believe that someone can be that motivated and that determined to actually do it at that age. come on and give the man the credit he deserves. Pretty soon anyone who wins a boxing match or an mlb game or an nfl game will have to be on steroids. I woke up at 7 in the am today and walked to the store oh shit i must have taken something to make it all the way back home in the same shape I was in. Come on now lets get serious and stop this accusing bullshit about everyone and everything.
If your talking about me... What the fuck are you on about?
I had no opinion on this fight beforehand, check out my posts. I didn't bet on it, I'm not a fan of either boring fighter.
Im saying I don't believe its possible for a 48 year old man to have a higher punch output now than he did 8 years ago. Explain why he wasn't punching that much 8 years ago against a lesser fighter than Calzaghe, Pascal, Dawson and Cloud?
He had a chance to take Pascal up on his offer to take tests a couple of years ago and rather than laughing it off and taking it as a compliment and actually proving how good he is by taking tests he spat the dummy out.
Hopkins is the kind of man that if he can prove something, he will. Has he not drummed that in to us and the media over the years with his little boring speaches?
I dont believe everyone is on steroids but we have been shown that when something looks too good to be true it is. Jones Jr, Mosley, Holyfield etc and not boxing but Lance Armstrong.
Cloud was tailor made for hopkins and it showed. Cloud couldnt fight like he fought against johnson or anyone else because hopkins was too smart for him. And 8 years ago he was weight drained against taylor who was supposed to be an animal but we know how that turned out. Tarver was a fraud who was more talk than anything. winky was above weight. Calzahge was too slap happy. But then Pavlick was easy for Hopklins so he must have been using. Right? Orneals was just not worthy so he must have been using. Pascal dropped him twice in the first fight so something was wrong. The second Pascal fight he won so he must have upped his dosage. Dawson was a pussy in the first fight and in the second fight he came in too soon. So he must be doing something right?
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
One more thing, people are STILL not suspicious about athletes doping?
After the athlete who was tested more times, by the best standards, MULTIPLE TIMES MORE THAN ANY ATHLETE, positive tests never came to light?
People were still suspicious about him for years.
But let's not be suspicious about Hopkins, denied better testing, and Pacquiao (phobia of needles)?
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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One more thing, people are STILL not suspicious about athletes doping?
After the athlete who was tested more times, by the best standards, MULTIPLE TIMES MORE THAN ANY ATHLETE, positive tests never came to light?
People were still suspicious about him for years.
But let's not be suspicious about Hopkins, denied better testing, and Pacquiao (phobia of needles)?
Hopkins looks like he is 48 and his body says it. Toney was never in shape in his latter years and was a jelly ball for the last 12 years of his career. Hopkins has slowed considerably but has gotten smarter and obviously has less punching power than he had. Maybe they dont make them like they used to or is that too good to be true.
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
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His body isn't cut like it use to be. He's soft in the middle. He hasn't scored a knock out in almost 10 muthafukkin years. He throws like 20 punches a round cuz he'll gas if he doesn't pace himself. And he still provides himself a bunch of rest stops with his clinching and holding. If he's taking anything what exactly is it doing for him?
He may not be cut like he used to be but how do you explain a 48 year old throwing more punches against stronger world champs than he was fighting nearly 8 years ago?
Like I said, look at James Toney!
*Correct me if im wrong, but wasn't toney using to bulk up... not really the same thing with Hopkins... Hopkins body looks like an older in shape body. He's not doing anything he wasn't doing before. The guy is a known gym rat and eats right. He's walks around at fighting weight... he's not on PEDS..he's still the same ole boring Hopkins.
p.s... i alway said Lance armstrong is on PEDS... and i'll always believe Pac is on something as well.
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His body isn't cut like it use to be. He's soft in the middle. He hasn't scored a knock out in almost 10 muthafukkin years. He throws like 20 punches a round cuz he'll gas if he doesn't pace himself. And he still provides himself a bunch of rest stops with his clinching and holding. If he's taking anything what exactly is it doing for him?
He may not be cut like he used to be but how do you explain a 48 year old throwing more punches against stronger world champs than he was fighting nearly 8 years ago?
Like I said, look at James Toney!
*Correct me if im wrong, but wasn't toney using to bulk up... not really the same thing with Hopkins... Hopkins body looks like an older in shape body. He's not doing anything he wasn't doing before. The guy is a known gym rat and eats right. He's walks around at fighting weight... he's not on PEDS..he's still the same ole boring Hopkins.
p.s... i alway said Lance armstrong is on PEDS... and i'll always believe Pac is on something as well.
What he said^^
Out of all the boxers out there today Bhop is the last guy I would suspect. Its like accusing Archie Moore.
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MMA, Randy Coutre etc etc has squat to do with boxing or specifically whether or not Hopkins is doing peds.
Why someone like Hopkins is suspect is beyond me.
LOL
There is nothing in a career spanning a quarter of a century to suggest that Bernard Hopkins is juiced. The Mongoose must have been juiced along with Dixon, Wilde and Greb. No way does Babe Ruth hit a ball like that w/o chemistry.
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
Exactly, there is nothing aside from him being so freakishly effective at his age to actually suggest he's on anything.
To use his punch output as evidence is especially ridiculous imo. He threw more punches against a plodding dope in Tavoris Cloud than he did years ago against Jermain Taylor.... So what? Who on earth wouldn't? Great case work as usual from detective Ross:rolleyes: Taylor was faster than him, it really isn't that complicated. Those fights we all saw him throw very few meaningful shots per round compared to most of his recent wins around that time as well. The only time there was ever a striking physical change in Hopkins was after losing to Taylor and moving up to 175 in the first place. And guess what, even then he didn't throw much because Tarver had quick hands.
Now of course you can never rule anyone out in this day and age, but the fact is Hopkins is as skillful and meticulous as anyone out there and he wins fights on account of it.
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Who likes to defy the nay sayers more than anyone in boxing?
Wo refused to take a test when asked in a press conference?
You are all naive. I remember saying something about Amstrong cheating on here before it all came out and it got the same gullible response. About how hard Armstrong works and he takes tests blah blah blah.
If that has shown us anything it is how easily dopey naive sport fans can be duped. It wouldnt surprise me if like Armstrong with his charity work and Holyfield with his religion (and Jimmy Savile with his charity work;D) that Hokpins repeating in every fucking speach that he doesnt drink, doesnt smoke, always trains and has turned his life around is a smoke screen so dopes say, "well he wouldnt cheat would he?"
Yes he probably does train all the time and doesnt drink or smoke but how many other athletes live like that? They aren't ramming it down our throats every time they open their mouth, like they are trying to brainwash us with an image. He is an admitted convicted criminal after all.
Until he tries to prove otherwise I believe he is taking something to maintain his training just like Holyfield is.
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I was out of line on my last and apologize to Couture, though everything I said I believe to be true.
Actually, MMA and boxing are twonsports which require a physciall toll on your body, and one which you're allowed to beat another man legally.
And have the same testing regulations as boxing does state to state in the US.
So there very common and easily comparable, whether you want to argue it or not.
Also, Couture and Hopkins, are both two professional athletes (professional "fighters") well above the age of 40 who both won world titles and broke the record of old age.
Again, if you fail to see the similarities and why they are comparable...
If you don't think "someone like Hopkins is suspicious",or the suspicious hold no merit. It's obvious you have not read the discussion, add no value to the argument.
If you don't think there is anything in the last century that might suggest he is doping, again, you did not read a thing and are quite frankly in the wrong sport (s) all together.
Anyone who is suspicious of any athlete juicing is warranted, does not mean ANYONE IS DISCREDITING THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
I hate steroids and wish they weren't a part of the game.
But, no it's Hopkins, he could never do any wrong..
I swear its like little kids defending their older brother with a blindfold..
LOL at complaining about bringing Randy and MMA, into a discussion about drugs and regulations, and talking about Babe Ruth...
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Who likes to defy the nay sayers more than anyone in boxing?
Wo refused to take a test when asked in a press conference?
You are all naive. I remember saying something about Amstrong cheating on here before it all came out and it got the same gullible response. About how hard Armstrong works and he takes tests blah blah blah.
If that has shown us anything it is how easily dopey naive sport fans can be duped. It wouldnt surprise me if like Armstrong with his charity work and Holyfield with his religion (and Jimmy Savile with his charity work;D) that Hokpins repeating in every fucking speach that he doesnt drink, doesnt smoke, always trains and has turned his life around is a smoke screen so dopes say, "well he wouldnt cheat would he?"
Yes he probably does train all the time and doesnt drink or smoke but how many other athletes live like that? They aren't ramming it down our throats every time they open their mouth, like they are trying to brainwash us with an image. He is an admitted convicted criminal after all.
Until he tries to prove otherwise I believe he is taking something to maintain his training just like Holyfield is.
Haven't you heard?
You can't be suspicious about athletes getting a little extra help these days.
Because Moore,Greb,Foreman,Jeffries,Johnson, and even Ruth didn't.
No one can.
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If you won't even acknowledge the possibility that your favorite athletes are using PED's, particularily a guy who is damn near 50 and is quicker and has more stamina than guys half his age, then you're a fool. Plain and simple. Not saying he is for sure, not diminishing his accomplishments, but it's a real possibility with ANY athlete.
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Oh, and about this complete FALLACY that guys using PED's are the ones with hard bodies, take a look at these guys who were busted using steroids in MMA.
http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/thumbnail...9_IMG_8020.JPG
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images...jpg?1296438564
http://admin.mmaweekly.com/wp-conten...raba-K1USA.jpg
IN the last pic, the guy in blue (Royce GRacie) produced a failed drug test that was actually the highest the athletic commision had ever seen.
So look at those guys, and tell me that a guy gets a pass because he doesn't look big or ripped enough :rolleyes:
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The only guy I'mk not suspicious about is Donaire. Hopkins could be taking EPO, which increases the amount of oxygen carried by the blood and so massively boosts stamina. All the cyclists take it. It's undetectable one hour after injecting. He could also be taking |HGH which improves recovery time and helps with injuries. Also basically undetectable. There are other things as well. Even if he is taking stuff, and he probably is, he's still an amzing fighter and a freak of nature.
Would high altitute training be comparable to Blood doping or the results won't even come close? As for HGH well I'm not sure. I'll just say this, like you the only boxer I know isn't juicing is Donaire and perhaphs rigo (for the simple fact he was so dominant in olympics for a long time that I highly doubt he'd start juicing now for no reason.)
If high altitude training was the same as PEDs the world's elite athletes would be training year-round in places like Mexico and Kenya. Instead they're all taking PEDs. Look at Pistorius; lots of high altitude places to train in South Africa and he's ot a bottle of synthetic testosterone in his bedroom. And he's never failed a drug test in his life even with year-round random testing.
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It wouldn't surprise me - I think PED use (and I mean stuff like EPO, blood boosting, gene therapy, not just old fashioned injections) are rife in many sports.
If you can get such institutionalised doping in something like cycling or weighlifting, where they have very strict testing, just think what could be out there in siomething as unregulated as boxing or MMA
I also have dark suspicions about Novak Djokovic (allegedly)
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Re: No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?
Hopkins fights effectively without fighting aggressively, he feigns punches without throwing punches, he blocks and parries punches, he fights in spurts, he has ring craft that bewilders these young fit athletic fighters who should beat him. He has amazing ring skills.
