Lyle, you are such a cunt. Hook line and sinker and a shame i cant gloat inyour aged fat face as your starving relatives also call you a fat selfish cunt for ignoring science.Cunt.
Cook bitch and take your slobber woppers with you.
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Lyle, you are such a cunt. Hook line and sinker and a shame i cant gloat inyour aged fat face as your starving relatives also call you a fat selfish cunt for ignoring science.Cunt.
Cook bitch and take your slobber woppers with you.
No one asked for your opinion Edward Scissor ArmsQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
You are twisted for denying evidence and that is what makes me angry. You people want your cake and eat it and never care about the consequences. You have an agenda and at its heart it is anti earth. Im only anti breeding because of economics and people like you who want to make the future unliveable.
#1 Its not "evidence" when its fraudulantly arrived at, it's fiction, and that is what everyone should call it because that's what it is.Quote:
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#2 What other reason would people want cake besides the obvious...to eat it. What are they going to do just look at it until it spoils, is that what you want us to do as humans? We'll look at the resources available to us but never use them....that is so fucking stupid.
#3 I'm happy that YOU specifically are anti-breeding because the world doesn't need another brooding, mopey, effete, self important, whiny little jackass like you
Actually,the world needs a lot more people like me. Enough people to say that consumer economies and a child replica should not be part of the destructive make up kit. Consume at will and let all pay the price later. Its a shitty deal like the kids of tomorrow paying for todays greed and wars. Despicable.
Humans have potential but the greed will consume them. Apply it to Americans or species survival. It is the same thing.
You're despicableQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
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Originally Posted by El KabongYou're despicableQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
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1975 : Tornado Outbreaks Blamed On Global Cooling | Real Science
What? Global COOLING you say?!?! What a radical idea why everyone knows we're going through a period of Global Warming not cooling.....well let's just say "Climate Change" that seems like a catch all ;)
Lyle A lot is going on. Global warming is a way of government getting to tax us on the air we breathe out and our farts and that of cows and industrial emissions etc, because they have never been able to work out how to tax us on the air we breathe in.
we already know what these assholes are up to they pay their own teams of scientists 'on both sides' to find evidence to prove their side correct. So that probably off sets the costs (our extra emission taxes) too. we know how they work,the assholes.
That said there are changes in nature occurring and we are part of it as well, the sea is the key to our temperatures too. Not just the bullshit we put into the earth via chemical agriculture ,your rubbish is dumped into the sea off New York theres an island of it out there out of sight boat loads go out to it. There is a 20 mile wide flotilla of western crap thats caught in a current out in the deepest oceans as well. The oil extracted out of Earth could cause pressure but there scientists paid to also prove that isnt the case and yet that natural coling agent is still being pumped out of a hot lava filled planet thats outer shell revolves around its liquid core.Then the oil is put back up into the air and washed into the oceans off the streets from cars etc.Then we over fish them,meanwhile ozone is depleted and major reefs die off reversing currents and also having effects on weather, it all adds up. You have to look more broadly at the whole picture instead of just into politics on who or whats to blame in one little area for right or wrong.
Pointing the finger politically helps nothing but our own conscious for being a part of the destruction. On both sides. It (the argument is inane and insane) even the cost of proving and disproving, is in its self evasive to real action to correct our part of it faster and cost effective.
The point I am trying to make Andre is that Scientists and Politicians need to stop treating the populous like babies. Minutes after the tornado touched down in Oklahoma some schmuck liberal was out bashing Republicans about the perils of Anthropogenic Global Warming, like if everyone walked to work that day there wouldn't have been a tornado it's so disingenuous, so smug, so fucking high & mighty to claim that HUMANS CAUSE THE WEATHER....if that actually WAS the case then everyone would take San Diego's weather. (but humans DON'T control the weather....much less the climate)
It chaps my ass when people get up in arms about Anthropogenic Global Warming for a variety of reasons mainly this idea that bad weather can be prevented is along the same lines of the people who used to believe sacrificing virgins would bring good weather....its the same basic premise but do the liberals see the folly of the view? Do they see their hubris? Oh gracious no they just see people who "don't care enough".
Listen I love the environment, I love wildlife, I don't want any of that to go away, I want generation after generation to enjoy it, but I WILL lead a life in which I make use of the technology that is offered to the human species. Al Gore flies to lectures on a private jet, he sells his television network to Oil barons from Qatar and nobody calls him out on it.....does HIS carbon footprint not lead to global warming???
The Global Warming folks are assholes and idiots that's just a fact 100%
When did Lyle turn into Miles?
I've seen you say this dozens of times and, frankly, it is beyond myopic.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I don't give two shits about Al Gore or about your views on global warming are, but does it not occur to you that perhaps Al Gore feels that by flying to various lectures around the world and by getting his perspectives broadcast to as many people as possible that he can have a potentially massive impact on the way people live their lives and thus reduce emissions on a scale that makes his contribution to this problem negligible?
It's a completely reasonable position for him to have and only someone who was completely bereft of the ability to think even semi-critically would not understand it.
Why doesn't Al Gore use his greatest invention The Internet :rolleyes: to reach more people.....wouldn't that be more "green"?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
CFH, that's fine, you have every right to not care about my views on Global Warming or Al Gore or anything, but you don't have to read my opinions either, I'm certainly not forcing anyone to.
I just find it odd, especially for people who claim to love science so fucking much for them to basically claim that if everyone just walked to work and there were no cars, no factories, no carbon emissions at all that there would be no such storms as the one that hit Oklahoma......on second thought I don't find that odd, I find that idiotic.... incredibly so. And why would I bring that up? Well because right after that tornado touched down I mean RIGHT AFTER there was this little gem in DC...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se3d9--KZe0
To which I say, BULL CRAP!
As far as I know, Al Gore does use the internet to spread his views. He just also uses other means as well because he obviously feels so strongly about it. I simply don't see any hypocrisy in his actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWhy doesn't Al Gore use his greatest invention The Internet :rolleyes: to reach more people.....wouldn't that be more "green"?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
CFH, that's fine, you have every right to not care about my views on Global Warming or Al Gore or anything, but you don't have to read my opinions either, I'm certainly not forcing anyone to.
I just find it odd, especially for people who claim to love science so fucking much for them to basically claim that if everyone just walked to work and there were no cars, no factories, no carbon emissions at all that there would be no such storms as the one that hit Oklahoma......on second thought I don't find that odd, I find that idiotic.... incredibly so. And why would I bring that up? Well because right after that tornado touched down I mean RIGHT AFTER there was this little gem in DC...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se3d9--KZe0
To which I say, BULL CRAP!
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Sun News : Al Gore, carbon hypocrite
Added to which Gore owns the company he purchases his "Carbon Offsets" from....so when he pays for his indulgences he pays HIMSELF and when everyone else stupid enough to pay for their indulgences buy their "carbon offsets" they pay Al Gore as well....I hope this helps you on your journey to reality, learning that Al Gore is a fat stupid hypocrite that made the majority of his money from selling his TV network to Al Jazeera which is owned by the Qatari Royal Family who made their millions selling.....selling....anyone have the answer????? OIL!!!...yes no hypocrisy at all there :shakehead:
You do have a point. Al Gore is a humongous twat. Global warming is real though and him being a twat does nothing to make that any less of a reality.
Because the large majority of the effete douchebags who preach all this global warming bullshit are wealthy bastards flying in private jets and living luxurious lifestyles while telling Joe Sixpack who lives paycheck to paycheck and works construction "Ooooh, you really shouldn't have a pickup truck because those are bad on gas mileage".....you know, fuck those dudes, those sanctimonious "do as I say not as I do" motherfuckers, I MIGHT listen to them more if they would lead by example rather than by brow beating people who are just trying to live normal lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I just find the whole Anthropogenic Global Warming deal to be smug and up its own ass to the point where I have not and will not ever take them seriously....sorry, if the Earth is doomed due to carbon emissions then fuck it we're doomed, we can only be in so much danger for so long until this cause starts losing its edge. If the Earth is going to burst into flames because I bought a steak (the Greenies think cow farms contribute a lot to global warming) then so fucking be it I'll go down in flames laughing at guys like Al Gore, I will NEVER join his side or the side of any who buy into the Anthropogenic Global Warming bullshit.
Climategate....if warming was happening and was due to humans they wouldn't have to FAKE it
Not that I don't trust a source from a Canadian media outlet that I have literally never heard anyone mention ever which appears to be Canada's version of Fox News, but I still don't see unjustifiable hypocrisy. And I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just don't see it.Quote:
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Originally Posted by CFH
Sun News : Al Gore, carbon hypocrite
Added to which Gore owns the company he purchases his "Carbon Offsets" from....so when he pays for his indulgences he pays HIMSELF and when everyone else stupid enough to pay for their indulgences buy their "carbon offsets" they pay Al Gore as well....I hope this helps you on your journey to reality, learning that Al Gore is a fat stupid hypocrite that made the majority of his money from selling his TV network to Al Jazeera which is owned by the Qatari Royal Family who made their millions selling.....selling....anyone have the answer????? OIL!!!...yes no hypocrisy at all there :shakehead:
First, Gore selling and presumably profiting from carbon offsets does not make mean anything. Plenty of people make money while doing something they believe in. I would suspect that Gore is already independently wealthy and that he uses that money to fund his project, but even if he does not I have no problem with it. He's not forcing anyone to buy from him and if it both helps him raise money to help the planet by helping the planet, then I understand the logic behind it.
Second, I have already addressed the television issue in my previous post, and my points from that post still stand. No matter who he worked with in the modern world of media conglomerates, I have no doubt they could be traced back to oil or any number of industries which directly harm the environment.
OK so just because you don't like the source it doesn't mean what they say isn't true. Al Gore IS a hypocrite.....The science is settled on that discussion ;D
My problem with that source is that I literally know nothing about them and, from what I briefly read, they seem challenged in the credibility department.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Seriously guys, its like debating thee existence of gravity. People can deny it all they like.
While preaching energy austerity for everyone else in order, he claims, to save the planet from man-made climate change, Gore personally lives a luxurious, jet-setting, carbon dioxide-consuming lifestyle, including multi-million-dollar homes and never-ending, first-class, globe-trotting.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHMy problem with that source is that I literally know nothing about them and, from what I briefly read, they seem challenged in the credibility department.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
While constantly denouncing the evils of the fossil fuel industry, Gore recently sold his Current TV for $500 million (including a reported personal profit of $70 million) to Al Jazeera, the international news service funded by the oil-and- natural-gas-rich Arab emirate of Qatar.
So those are inaccurate claims???
Iaminuit people can say Anthropogenic Global Warming exists all they want to BUT I'm not going to pay any mind to it because #1 People have said for too long "We're doomed already" yet here we are #2 The people preaching that doom haven't cut back at all in their lifestyles (see Al Gore) #3 Who is to say if we stop emitting carbon altogether (with the exception of exhaling) that this can be reversed and #4 Who are we to say what the climate of the Earth should be? If it changed on it's own would we try to stop it?
Lyle learned a new word. A five syllable word.!
Hey, it's everyone's favorite troll!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
That is perhaps the most cynical attitude to have and the attitude of one who wants his cake and will eat it and be damned if anyone wants to live after the dump has been laid.
If man has caused it or not, man has a responsibility to be as good to this planet as he can because it is all that he has. Why take the risk? Good science has shown the evidence. Bought science is largely the type bought into by the likes of Captain Blowhard and paid for by the oil corporations.
Everyone drives a car, everyone uses an air conditioner. Al Gore is but a tiny part of the equation. There are many ways to deal with the problem, but our current economic models are designed to grow or else and so consuming until nothing remains is the only path they can see. They are all competing to grow and it is a pointless quest when they will eventually have to stop growing.
There are solutions to global warming and that would mean not only the rich pay, but also ordinary people. I think most would be willing to change if it was held to all. That would mean that at the very least, we tried. Surely it is better to try than to say 'To hell with it, I like consumption and it will be me until I die'. Obviously species survival will not happen with such attitudes.
Did I say "destroy the Earth"? NO! I love nature, but I'm tired of people preach at me when they are more guilty of the sins they are railing against! I don't fly in private jets, I don't have an outrageously huge mansion, I don't have a yacht, I don't have 50 cars in my driveway, I don't jet set around the world for vacations or speeches all the time.
There's a fine line between being a Tree hugging fish feel pain zealot and being a reasonable and rational person
Most people don't have those things, Lyle. They are struggling with what they have. Most given the choice would prefer that their children had a future too and would give up a few things and the super rich should pay a lot more. It is just common sense. It is obvious and yet you yourself would rather accept that it is over and just destroy the planet. That is really selfish. Al Gore is just a figure to bash at.
OK #1 the people preaching about Global Warming DO have those things and they want people to pay for indulgencesQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
#2 Sure people will sacrifice for their kids it's called "being a parent"
#3 The super rich should pay more for what? What the fuck does income redistribution have to do with the climate miles? If the super rich gave up a lot of their money to the super poor then the super poor would all buy cars and spend more money "hurting the environment" so using common sense it's probably better for the environment that a select elite few can own gas guzzling cars and fly in private jets....I just don't want them telling me that I have to be the one to cut back when they are doing things in excess...Charles Bukowski wouldn't tell a teetotaler to cut back on their booze consumption!
#4 Destroy the planet? We couldn't "Destroy the planet" if we TRIED....this Earth has been through far worse than anything the humans could ever do to it and it will be here long after our species had died off so I really don't know what you're fucking talking about.
1. If you are suggesting that most have a car etc, then sure they do.
2. Again it is natural for parents to want to help their offspring, but personally I am not sure how true that is. I have no kids, but I would love to help more just as long as others were doing so too.
3. Corporations and wealthy people obviously produce a larger carbon footprint and should thus lead the way. This is planet survival, not just give the 'black man a bowl of fried chicken'. They should pay tax progressively and be forced to reign in their demands to fit a changing world. It is complex and needs thought.
4. Of course we can destroy the planet and you doubt it now living in semi ignorance. Give it 50 years and with little done lets have this same conversation. I don't want to be right, but unless things change, I will and I say that I was right to choose different life paths than most. It will give me no real satisfaction. 50 years will just be the start of the hell that follows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3JzbWVDzacQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
....FACT
Lyle you are going to have to explain something for me if you dont mind.
The higher level living reefs of the world are being bleached dry of life.
Skin cancer in these effected areas has gone mad its killing us off at about 4 times the rate it was as little as 20 years ago, it was close to unheard of prior to 35 years back here.
Most studies state ozone depletion that lets through harmful rays to us and the reefs and the ice.
These are a few of the things that haven't occurred on Earth before, ever, as in never as yet: Those reefs are millions of years old and they are now dead. Thats a long period of evolution until death.
They dont come back they cant grow back in this climate. Same as our deaths from skin cancer that permeates deeper to kill us off.
So with your beliefs and saying everyone but you is crazy
and without the "Oh nature does these things";
Why do you think these things are occurring from your point of view?
Barbecues.
I have no idea if those claims are true or if they are properly contextualized. What I am saying is that I am extremely hesitant to accept the word of a Canadian "news source" that I have literally never heard mentioned before and one that has a seemingly suspect reputation. Furthermore, I believe, once again, that I have already rebutted the previous points.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWhile preaching energy austerity for everyone else in order, he claims, to save the planet from man-made climate change, Gore personally lives a luxurious, jet-setting, carbon dioxide-consuming lifestyle, including multi-million-dollar homes and never-ending, first-class, globe-trotting.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHMy problem with that source is that I literally know nothing about them and, from what I briefly read, they seem challenged in the credibility department.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
While constantly denouncing the evils of the fossil fuel industry, Gore recently sold his Current TV for $500 million (including a reported personal profit of $70 million) to Al Jazeera, the international news service funded by the oil-and- natural-gas-rich Arab emirate of Qatar.
So those are inaccurate claims???
Iaminuit people can say Anthropogenic Global Warming exists all they want to BUT I'm not going to pay any mind to it because #1 People have said for too long "We're doomed already" yet here we are #2 The people preaching that doom haven't cut back at all in their lifestyles (see Al Gore) #3 Who is to say if we stop emitting carbon altogether (with the exception of exhaling) that this can be reversed and #4 Who are we to say what the climate of the Earth should be? If it changed on it's own would we try to stop it?
Man-made particles lowered hurricane frequency: study - FRANCE 24
....but Al Gore promised there would be WORSE hurricanes!
Antarctic expedition scientists trapped in ice | World news | The Guardian
Here's hoping the have to go all Donner Party on themselves ;)
"The Science is settled"......yeah settled like the ice around your fucking boat.
I believe the big issue here is that many people who say "science is wrong" or this is "scientific fraud" don't understand the science to begin with.
What do we know about the models that were "fraudulent"?
The beauty of science is it's falsifiability. Scientists will regularly try to make existing theories fail so we can whittle down to the best possible understanding we can about the natural world. If a scientist is found to intentionally make false claims or misrepresenting facts their career is over, it's a one strike system. The importance of this skepticism is paramount because we have to always add new data and methods to make sure the models are still as accurate as possible.
Now does that make the data less real? Does that make the evidence less real? No
Climate science in particular is a very complicated model and I of course am not an expert in it. But to the best of our understanding now, based on the evidence at hand and correlated with the historical record, there is a robust view that man's impact on the earth is real. You are free to disbelieve or suspend belief all you want, until the model is shown to be false it's all academic.
I know a few things....I know I can MAYBE trust the weatherman to give me a 5 day forecast. I know the climate has changed many times BEFORE the Industrial Revolution. I know when people are adamant enough about something due to pride they don't wish to be questioned. And I know that right now there's a Russian ship full of tree huggers that has become trapped in the very ice they were CERTAIN was melting and that ship may get crushed or it might just be frozen there for YEARS.
But hey let's all ASSUME Anthropogenic Global Warming is real. It's not like people fudged data on purpose for years in order to receive grants from various government....oh they did? Well even so let's just "be safe" and regardless if that "safety" will cost families living paycheck to paycheck more money, keep 3rd world countries from developing, and keep starving people hungry at least we'll have an Earth that's habitable to humans because that's what MOTHER NATURE INTENDED and we know because Al Gore told us. Al Gore who runs this giant scheme to line his pockets....oh I'm sorry because Al gore "Cares about the Earth" :rolleyes:
It's a scam and I'm hoping Mother Nature sinks that fucking ship and teaches those scientists a cruel ironic lesson!
The Earth hasn't seen a period of warming in how long? 15 years?
Why wasn't that predicted in ANY of the models?
Why in 1977 were we told to prepare for another ICE AGE and then in the 1990's it's all about WARMING?
The environmentalists have cried "wolf" for far too long...it's over, the jig is up. They lied and people have suffered because of their lies! Higher taxes, keeping people poor, keeping people hungry, all to line their own pockets.....I don't know how you side with them to be honest.
All these predictions of doom and humanity is still here...bad news for the Climate Change set
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/...101/312300134/
....but just to be safe let's buy some of those curly q light bulbs you know, the eco friendly kind with the mercury inside them! Everything is better with mercury! ;D
I agree Al Gore is a douche of the highest order.
Thank you for making my point on the rest of it though.