R.I.P Bruce Lee but....

Styles = art. If you cannot use something from one or another style, that is of use then the problem is a fixed attitude.

I still say (within weight range) the individual real street fighter (hard core muther fucker) will adapt and beat most martial artists of only one discipline, whatever it is ,from whatever country.

Theres a couple of exceptions out there but generally speaking going on the regular people that fill in all the halls and gyms that go for self defense or fitness or the arts sake or the spiritual side of it they havent a hope against a natural killer.

Also most martial arts are stages that go from fists to swords to open hand teqniques where the eyes are the main targets in the final form.

MMA is the real modern day answer for cage fighting though, Kung fu has no business in there.
But some techniques from some of parts of them most certainly can have a place in some circumstances.

Talking about philosophy of fighting: the worse thing anyone can carry into training or the ring is their ego built from a fixed attitude.

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Kung fu isnt what it used to be when it was held fast within China. It was a land locked art that got tested against itself only in China by quite small people.

These days alot of those techniques that worked then willnot stand up to alot of the modern mixed arts or wouldnt of stood up to some of the ancient ones from other lands back then either.

You got tough men in each gym these days that are not as well trained as some there who are not so tough men but have much more expertise.

Ive seen a guy picked off the streets out of a pool hall with little to no training just a mean all out mutherfucker offered a wad of cash and more if he won, with a jaw like iron step in against a master of many bouts in a full contact open style and the street guy won it. Its happened alot in many places.

Theres no such thing as this art is better than than that art because of this bloke or that bloke or boxing or karate.

You are lucky if a person with natural champion material great dna and a iron chin comes to train with you. (He'll make your style famous not the style its self,not these days.)

Bruce fought on the streets of Hong kong with his school friend because he was Wing Chun under Yip Man in Hong Kong he got tested by other men from other styles it was rife in those early days. So to say he never saw action or real combat is false.

Him being from that style actually is the reason the whole style of Wing Chun is split right down the middle.

There are ones who have traditional style with close tight footwork which is a bit stilted.
Others like Bruce (who Bruce trained with also) who have more range,freer footwork and also the entry technique you see being used in MMA these days is from the exact roots of where Bruce learned to think outside of a traditional style.

All that said, I think on % you could not go past Jujitsu and Hapkido to become an all round cage fighter those styles stand apart.

Even though Jon Jones gives a nod to Bruces eventual all round style of Jeet kune do, I still recon he Jon is a natural and a good example of the whole mixture.

Jon "Bones" Jones: Jeet Kune Do

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That is bullshit. It is all about effectiveness in a real fight. There are no videos of Kung Fu working in a real fight. I can pull out videos after videos of Wing Chun or other Kung Fu practicioners getting themselves hurt cause Muay Thai and Boxing are the truth when it comes to effectiveness! Kung Fu people are good talkers but look at reality, there is no such thing as a professional kung fu fighter. There are real life Muay Thai champs, Boxing Champs! I know clowns talk about rules but like I said rules make fights harder and would not take anything away from how effective a style is. Kung Fu is not effective. Bruce Lee is not a real fighter.

And you really don't know shit about MMA if you think Jon Jones is a JKD guy. Keep in mind many Mma guys will show Bruce Lee love because like I said before, we all grew up watching his movies.

Let me school you on Jon Jones, his background is wrestling. He is a good example of a wreslter who learned Muay Thai and represents the MMA world. He is not a bullshit artist like these kung fu masters are. He is exactly what a martial arts should be, in MMA you gotta continue to evolve and get better and better. Its always going to be about effectiveness and look at what is use the most by real fighters. BOXING, MUAY THAI, WRESTLING, JUJITSU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't believe how uneducated you people are outside of boxing!

Bruce Lee is not a fucking fighter, he fought other kung fu guys who sucked as much as he did and were not as effective as other styles. Kung fu is bullshit!!!!!!!! so was Bruce Lee!!!!!! I bet you people think Bruce Lee would of whoop Mike Tyson. You guys must think Bruce Lee is a God who would not feel pain or get put to sleep. The little fucker was an actor! You guys are fools! A lot of people have had street fights, it don't qualify them as a fighter! How am I alone on this shit!??????????

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I agreed with you, if you take the sentence that you highlighted, in context with what was above and below it. But Jeet kune do is a blend of everything I said Jon gives a nod in its direction, not that he started or ended there just that he acknowledges it and utilizes some things from it.

It isnt a traditional kung fu, its everything blended to suit an individual and fighters do use parts of it in real combat just like pieces of every other art; even parts of judo can and are utilized in take downs.

But to say one art rules another on the back of one practitioner is very stupid I agree, (even Bruces fans do this (specially on utube), as do others concerning different people representing their own styles as well.

Proof is that these days you need grounding in a lot of things and you need to be mentally and physically up in the high side % of all those traits as well as being a hard bastard with a tough beard and determination to make it anywhere near the top.

And I agree alot of people have had street fights,and school yard ones etc but a real street fighter one that walks in with cash to bet is the sort thats very hard to beat whatever you've learned, whatever you land on him, he is going to be there in front of you trying to kill you literally until he cant physcially be there in front of you,and that takes more than skill and more than one art to remove that type of person.

If you are lucky enough to get one of those types training in your camp you are very lucky camp.

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See I get what your saying about JKD and like I said already it is said to be a philosophy and not an actual style. My problem with your comment is you are giving an unproven art that is indeed being taught to paying customers as much credit to a proven style of fighting (mma). I have a huge problem with martial arts due to the fact that I was a kid once who paid hundreds of dollars to martial arts schools and Im sure there are millions of people similar to me. My whole point is separating what is truly effective and what is not. If you go to traditional martial arts there are many that art cult like and I am so against that nonsense because its a scam. I totally disagree with you when you say its not about that art its about the individual or its not the style thats more effective or not. Yes its exactly that.

Do you not realize a muay thai fighter is going to be more effective in any fight than a kung fu guy because the Thai whole point of developing muay thai was to take away the nonsense and strike with what will work and be effective from a practical stance.

Take boxing for another example. Do you not realize boxers are def going to be more effective because boxers are taught to punch the right way unlike if you take a punch from wing chun. Chain punching, sticky hands, is so fucking retarded. I personally faught a friend who kept talking shit about boxers and how superior Wing Chun is and Kung Fu. I caught the clown with a hook right away and had him twitching like a fish. I'm sorry but your totally wrong if you do not see that many martial arts are not effective. MMA was born from this. Like I said, the four most successful arts in MMA is boxing, muay thai, wrestling and jujitsu. Not JKD, Kung Fu, wing Chun or any other branches of Kung Fu. They are good talkers but not good fighters.

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You are still reading too much into what Ive wrote from your own perspective.

I did three months in Thailand and a month in Sumatra when in my late twenties in the mid eighties.

The Thai fighters of Krabi surprized me that they could legally grab behind the head and pull the head down and they could legally elbow to the face, but they never thought to do the the two moves together in sync when in close. Shocked me and them.

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It sickens me, that so many deluded fools give this guy so much credit for such fraudulent accomplishments. I have a lot of respect for REAL fighters and it just pisses me off when an actor like Bruce Lee is known to be such a great fighter but never went through the hell real fighters go through in training and in real fights.

Am I alone in this? I can't stand this nonsense with traditional martial arts and all the money they are making on cowards who never get into real fight or never even go through the hell encountered in training like a pro fighter.

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You comparing apples to oranges. It is all about being special, not just successful. Bruce Lee, Sugar Ray, Ali, Tyson are SPECIAL, because they went beyond the fundamentals of the sport. For instance, regardless all success, Oscar De La Hoya is it just a very good and successful fighter, but there is nothing special about him you can associate his name with. His far less successful opponent, Ike Quatery, would be remember for Bazooka jab, which did make him special.

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JKD is NOT a ring SPORT. I spent a number of years learning to kick you in the balls and run off. I learnt to hit you first and run off.

What don't you understand about this difference?

The punching was the same as when I was boxing - except we hit pads with NO gloves - you don't get to wear gloves on the street. When boxing I felt I could punch through walls because my hands were taped.

One 'technique' I was able to transfer from JKD to boxing was when you are is opposite stance, they jab, you jab bridging across theirs and pivot. Both as defence as the bridge deflects their punch down and in the essence of JKD an attacking move. I was able to use this sparring with a professional boxer.

We kicked and got kicked wearing shoes/trainers - no barefoot crap.

First time I ever sparred was with a karate guy who sparred every week. Guess how that went. He was jumping spinning kicking all over the place barefoot and kicked the shit out of his legs.

I'm not saying there has not been a load of shit spouted about Lee but it's like saying everything about Krav Maga is shit because no one in the UFC is doing it. It was never designed to be. :rolleyes:

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It don't take years to learn to kick someone in balls and ran off. Anybody without training can do that. What makes you think that is special and would easily end a fight or even landing it on somebody who expect that. It the same thing you people say, mma or boxing is a sport and has rules. mma fighter or boxer will still be the same fighter inside the ring or not. You don't think they are not aware of this and you don't think if they decide to kick you in your balls they wont do it because they handicap themselves with rules to satisfy politicians and those other pussies?

Here if you don't want to listen to me listen to Bas Rutten a real fucking fighter!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiiUHFCkoZ0

I'm disappointed in how many of you are deluded. I don't have time to reply to all of you but fuck it. You guys can go ahead a pay hundreds of dollars to so called "masters" and believe the nonsense art and think its all effective.

This is my personal opinion and you guys can have yours. Bruce Lee is an actor not a figher. JKD is Bruce Lees creation. I give him credit for going outside of his traditional kung fu or wing chun but my problem with him is he gets all the credit because of his fame. The real fighters unknown will always have more of my respect. Like I said, Bruce was good at talking or teaching about how to swim but he stayed on the shoreline while real guys who trained to test themselves fought in Pancrase, Pride, UFC were the true fathers of MMA. Bruce talked about cross training and actually calling it his own "JKD" but like a good actor he was never really it.

By the way Missy, I don't know who you know or train with but gloves or shoes vs bare hands or bare foot, none of that even matters. If you can fight you can fight with or without wraps or clothes or shoes.

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It sickens me, that so many deluded fools give this guy so much credit for such fraudulent accomplishments. I have a lot of respect for REAL fighters and it just pisses me off when an actor like Bruce Lee is known to be such a great fighter but never went through the hell real fighters go through in training and in real fights.

Am I alone in this? I can't stand this nonsense with traditional martial arts and all the money they are making on cowards who never get into real fight or never even go through the hell encountered in training like a pro fighter.

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You comparing apples to oranges. It is all about being special, not just successful. Bruce Lee, Sugar Ray, Ali, Tyson are SPECIAL, because they went beyond the fundamentals of the sport. For instance, regardless all success, Oscar De La Hoya is it just a very good and successful fighter, but there is nothing special about him you can associate his name with. His far less successful opponent, Ike Quatery, would be remember for Bazooka jab, which did make him special.

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So how the fuck was Bruce Lee special? Because you guys are ignorant and never seen an asian guy kick like that or seen a guy ripped and fast in that era? Did you guys know, they would take frames out of Bruce Lee films to make him seem even faster with the crappy ass cameras they had back then?

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It sickens me, that so many deluded fools give this guy so much credit for such fraudulent accomplishments. I have a lot of respect for REAL fighters and it just pisses me off when an actor like Bruce Lee is known to be such a great fighter but never went through the hell real fighters go through in training and in real fights.

Am I alone in this? I can't stand this nonsense with traditional martial arts and all the money they are making on cowards who never get into real fight or never even go through the hell encountered in training like a pro fighter.

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You comparing apples to oranges. It is all about being special, not just successful. Bruce Lee, Sugar Ray, Ali, Tyson are SPECIAL, because they went beyond the fundamentals of the sport. For instance, regardless all success, Oscar De La Hoya is it just a very good and successful fighter, but there is nothing special about him you can associate his name with. His far less successful opponent, Ike Quatery, would be remember for Bazooka jab, which did make him special.

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So how the fuck was Bruce Lee special? Because you guys are ignorant and never seen an asian guy kick like that or seen a guy ripped and fast in that era? Did you guys know, they would take frames out of Bruce Lee films to make him seem even faster with the crappy ass cameras they had back then?

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I am not a big fan of Bruce Lee, but Sugar Ray and Manny are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Z-tTzYTG0

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It sickens me, that so many deluded fools give this guy so much credit for such fraudulent accomplishments. I have a lot of respect for REAL fighters and it just pisses me off when an actor like Bruce Lee is known to be such a great fighter but never went through the hell real fighters go through in training and in real fights.

Am I alone in this? I can't stand this nonsense with traditional martial arts and all the money they are making on cowards who never get into real fight or never even go through the hell encountered in training like a pro fighter.

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You comparing apples to oranges. It is all about being special, not just successful. Bruce Lee, Sugar Ray, Ali, Tyson are SPECIAL, because they went beyond the fundamentals of the sport. For instance, regardless all success, Oscar De La Hoya is it just a very good and successful fighter, but there is nothing special about him you can associate his name with. His far less successful opponent, Ike Quatery, would be remember for Bazooka jab, which did make him special.

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So how the fuck was Bruce Lee special? Because you guys are ignorant and never seen an asian guy kick like that or seen a guy ripped and fast in that era? Did you guys know, they would take frames out of Bruce Lee films to make him seem even faster with the crappy ass cameras they had back then?

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I am not a big fan of Bruce Lee, but Sugar Ray and Manny are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Z-tTzYTG0

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I would being saying the same thing Sugar Ray as a kid before I realize how not effective kung fu is and how Bruce was a fighting genius proven only in movies and demo films.

Sugar Ray is def special, proven by a real pro record. Its sad he must of thought Bruce would whoop his ass, even though he didn't realize if he hit Bruce on his chin, Bruce would likely be on the floor asleep. This is how sad it is imo. Thanks for sharing that, that was sad. A real great fighter giving an unproven icon all the credit in the world and Bruce never had to take a punch from anybody relevant to obtain it. How many bad ass boxer did Ray take punches from to get his credit? Fuck this is sad. Like I said though I expect a lot of people to be fans of Bruce Lee, even I am, we all watch him growing up, shit I started a thread here long ago about visiting Bruce in the cemetery. Maybe I'm not getting my point across well enough on why I don't consider him a fighter. To me its sad, even Sugar Ray still drinking that coolaid....I spitted that shit out when I realize what was really effective and not.

This can't be true! i don't want him die

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Welcome to the forum.

While one could agree that Bruce never proved himself a fighter, we cannot argue other qualities he brought to the fight game. He was a massive advocate of weight training. Using methods outside the traditional skipping, running 5 miles a day. The problem ( for a separate thread) is boxers & other sports personnel is, they take ancillary training more serious than the real job at hand. I personally admire the guy, a class act. Oh, an by the way. He was responsible for some of the greatest quotes of all times!!

He did come out with nice expressions to explain things, but he learned them from Taoists and Zen philosophy then reshaped them to suit his combat theory.

The truth exists somewhere in between the extremes.
To rub out anything totally and say its total shit is an extreme and that attracts the opposite to it, which is also an extreme point, the two extremes support each others point of view. That is what this thread is about.

Next you will say Van Dam and Seigal can,t fight too.

Clint Eastwood isnt a real horse rider :mad: he would never measure up against a jockey.;D

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Im not one of those who believe in Bruce Li beats all but with him it's more about his philosophy and work ethnic that makes him so great. The guy understood shit. He didnt believe in a certain style which was why he studied all aspects of martial arts. He said be formless like water.. When water pours into a tea pot, it becomes the tea pot and when u put water into a cup, it becomes the cup..

He was clearly ahead of his time..

BUt as far as him kicking ass in a sanctioned bout or on the streets, im not totally convinced.. Ill say this though to those of you who are shitting on him.. HE'd fuck u up most likely and most of the average joes..

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Im not one of those who believe in Bruce Li beats all but with him it's more about his philosophy and work ethnic that makes him so great. The guy understood shit. He didnt believe in a certain style which was why he studied all aspects of martial arts. He said be formless like water.. When water pours into a tea pot, it becomes the tea pot and when u put water into a cup, it becomes the cup..

He was clearly ahead of his time..

BUt as far as him kicking ass in a sanctioned bout or on the streets, im not totally convinced.. Ill say this though to those of you who are shitting on him.. HE'd fuck u up most likely and most of the average joes..

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I still try to give the guy credit and maintain a certain respect for him cause like I said we were all a fan of him growing up.

I would love for him to kick my ass if he was alive or one of his JKD Wing Chun Kung Fu offspring/student but they don't actually fight. When they do they don't actually win, in my personal experience these guys train a certain way but when they throwdown, the stance alone goes out the window and shit don't work. You look at a boxer or a muay thai guy, inside a ring or not, with or without rules, he is the same fighter, same stance same all throughout a fight because it is effective and without the myths or unproven fancy philosophy of many martial arts.

Too much theory, not enough practice.

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Im not one of those who believe in Bruce Li beats all but with him it's more about his philosophy and work ethnic that makes him so great. The guy understood shit. He didnt believe in a certain style which was why he studied all aspects of martial arts. He said be formless like water.. When water pours into a tea pot, it becomes the tea pot and when u put water into a cup, it becomes the cup..

He was clearly ahead of his time..

BUt as far as him kicking ass in a sanctioned bout or on the streets, im not totally convinced.. Ill say this though to those of you who are shitting on him.. HE'd fuck u up most likely and most of the average joes..

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I still try to give the guy credit and maintain a certain respect for him cause like I said we were all a fan of him growing up.

I would love for him to kick my ass if he was alive or one of his JKD Wing Chun Kung Fu offspring/student but they don't actually fight. When they do they don't actually win, in my personal experience these guys train a certain way but when they throw down, the stance alone goes out the window and shit don't work. You look at a boxer or a muay thai guy, inside a ring or not, with or without rules, he is the same fighter, same stance same all throughout a fight because it is effective and without the myths or unproven fancy philosophy of many martial arts.

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I think you are right here, at least for 98% of them who come under any real pressure.

You have a bee in your bonnet over this Kungfu wing chun Bruce lee stuff.
I think most single arts have the same flaws though,but to differing extents.

Out of 200 students in a Wingchun class I once knew in the eighties anyone above average could beat 195 of them me included. Out of the 200 there were five men who anyone would have a job against on the street where ever; but they didnt stand there in the first learned fixed stance throwing chain punches cause that is the very basics.
A couple of these guys were SOG cops special operation group,very tough men and their job means they cross trained.They are the ones who take whole bike gangs down inside their own territory,(once a year they have to go in and bust them thats their itinerary.) Another was a giant of a man,black, a Maori warrior looking dude that hit so fucking hard and had a built in amour.Another was a freelance fighter of Ukraine origin an army fellow who came to train. In all seriousness these blokes used techniques that worked, inter comp full contact and at work too.They liked the art for what it was, the history etc but were more natural and mixed up what worked into their own natural style and didnt stay traditional.

So I agree with you Kung fu wont stand up to mixed martial arts neither will karate or tae kwn do or judo or shilat the list goes on.

But out of each group, each art, you have the odd exceptional bloke and a fair few techniques that do work. What Im stating isnt the opposite of what you are trying to portray here even though as you say; the thought of it annoys you somewhat.

If something works in a certain situation use it, if it doesnt work, dont.

I think it takes alot more than any taught system to make champion material in someone as they are in the top 2% of the elite in any sport,they are the ones who take on everything thats required and have some natural instincts, toughness, hard chins and good dna stock if they are lucky. Theres alot of pieces to the puzzle and if a piece is missing we have the techniques or raw guts and determination that can make up for them. I find the whole thing fascinating.

The biggest surprise when growing up after watching do many bruce lee films was thinking he was this 6foot powerhouse..only to realise he was a light welterweight type frame guy!

But the skills he had and influence he had changed the world for the good..

I am fast and i have a strong jaw, I would be fast enough to grab Bruce Lee and bite his nose off, so that makes me harder than Mr Lee.

Silly convo :rolleyes:

I think you're off on this one man. Bruce Lee was a TRUE pioneer. The fact that he could really fight and had competed in many tournements and "challenge" fights is well documented and proven.

Bruce was WAY ahead of his time in terms of his training and philosophies. He wasn't a traditional martial artist: he HATED TMAs and constantly challenged them. He believed that no fighting style was complete and that to be a great fighter, you had to cross-train (this fact was proven over 30 years later with the popularity of UFC). He trained many different styles with many different masters, and his style Jeet Kun Do was an attempt to bring the techniques of many different styles together to create a free-form of fighting that most accurately represented a "real" fight (similar to what MMA is today).

For having the foresight alone, even if he never fought a fight in his life (which is obviously not true), he is true pioneer and legend deserving of respect. His dedication to training and self improvement is awe-inspiring.

Now I do agree people take it too far. I've heard crazy shit too (Bruce would kill everyone, Bruce punched harder than a HW boxer, ect). But don't lump Bruce in as an "actor" or a "traditional martial artist". Dude was the real deal.

Also, Chuck Norris rules every utube comment section known to man so you could aim the despair there.

There was a giant hammer head shark filmed off a boat and apparently Chuck eventually caught the hammer head and built himself an underwater shed with the thing. :D

http://www.stuffistumbledupon.com/wp...blog_thumb.jpg

Here is the one inch punch people say was only a push.
At the 67 tournament he pushed through and slide body weight behind the move landing that guy in the chair, but here is proof you can get some sting and snap from one too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6m0XYyuGHM

I punched through boards when I was about 7 ;D

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Here is the one inch punch people say was only a push.
At the 67 tournament he pushed through and slide body weight behind the move landing that guy in the chair, but here is proof you can get some sting and snap from one too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6m0XYyuGHM

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Soft pine with brittle grain.

It proves that you can snap a specific type and size of wood, being held in a specific way by hitting it at a specific point.

That just demonstrated the importance of accuracy and the effectiveness of striking weakpoints of a target, not just raw power or sting, much like his one inch punch demonstrated that a small ammount of force can overcome a lack of stance and balance.

Penn and Teller Bullshit S08E03 Martial Arts Part(1/2) - YouTube

Penn and Teller Bullshit S08E03 Martial Arts Part(2/2) - YouTube

I dont think its chi, I do think that speed and snap is a portion of power as is focusing through.

pen and teller :confused: really, please never as a recommendation of truth again.

They have a bullshit vid for everything you can name, even love I believe. I cant think of two more annoying dudes one cant stop blabbing and the other acts the smart mute all to exact cash from 'sane people'.

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Here is the one inch punch people say was only a push.
At the 67 tournament he pushed through and slide body weight behind the move landing that guy in the chair, but here is proof you can get some sting and snap from one too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6m0XYyuGHM

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Soft pine with brittle grain.

It proves that you can snap a specific type and size of wood, being held in a specific way by hitting it at a specific point.

That just demonstrated the importance of accuracy and the effectiveness of striking weakpoints of a target, not just raw power or sting, much like his one inch punch demonstrated that a small ammount of force can overcome a lack of stance and balance.

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True, but the technique has snap its not just a push as so many state theres a few things going on at once.

It's all just fairly simple physics though ;)

Mass, acceleration, surface area etc

Penn and Teller are to be taken with a pinch of salt, it's entertainment first and foremost but even if they're sometimes off the mark, they're good at getting you asking questions of conceptions.

Right now somehwere out in internet world is a poster on a kung fu forum crying because some people think Rocky Balboa is real and could beat Mike Tyson.

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He beat clubber lang...

But then went life and death with a 1 fight novice :-\

He aint all that.

Qi/Chi is real. it's a bioelectrical energy. can it shoot out hadouken's and the king i can't spell it wave from dragonball z - no. but there is something flowing in our body

can it add to a punch's power? i believe so, but it takes a lot of cultivation/time that may or may not be better spent on lifting weights or kettlebells

ultimately it's up to the martial artist/athlete/fighter to decide. in the west, most people have been brainwashed to think of qi/chi as dragonball z energy blasts, but it's not.

Im a bit each way on chi. But more on the belife its there but rarely accessed in any volume thats physical.

The mind creates electrical impulses that effect nerves blah blah blah down the line and action results out in the physical.

Then you got those moments in life like women lifting cars off of young kids and other miraculous things we hear about from bulk adrenalin and will power mind over matter stuff.

Then theres the healing side of it, that you can feel for sure but are they creating more heat in their hand that transforms through the air between you,is it that simple?

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Im a bit each way on chi. But more on the belife its there but rarely accessed in any volume thats physical.

The mind creates electrical impulses that effect nerves blah blah blah down the line and action results out in the physical.

Then you got those moments in life like women lifting cars off of young kids and other miraculous things we hear about from bulk adrenalin and will power mind over matter stuff.

Then theres the healing side of it, that you can feel for sure but are they creating more heat in their hand that transforms through the air between you,is it that simple?

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You are rare! Generally people write off Qi/Chi as fantasy, if their definition of Qi is shooting energy blasts, I agree. But for now, I don't have links or scientific studies to the healing aspects of Qi

I've started training Yiquan (Mind/Intent Fist/Style - aka Yichuan, I Chuan, I Quan, Dachengquan), which branched off from Xing Yi/Hsing I, one of the three main "Internal" styles of Chinese Martial Arts). It's deceptively simple - just stand still and hold that pose for as long as you can. Many different postures, but a common one is "Hold the Ball" aka "Embrace the Tree" - pose is similar to as if you were going to hug a big tree.

By standing still, your body learns to relax and it promotes Qi flow. In time, the Qi will flow to areas where your body is injured and help to heal the area. I'm not a great scientific study as I have been doing it on and off for a little over a year. Will be doing this regularly though and perhaps find pronounced effects of the consistent practice.

Will say that I've noticed that I've not gotten sick in over a year. Living in seasonal NYC, whenever seasons/weather change, I used to get hit with the cold and/or flu.

When people talk about Lee they usually put him up against guys like Silva or GSP or heavyweights in boxing but really he would be fighting bantamweight guys and I don't think its too far fetched to think he could be a contender today.

Bruce Li did have some ground game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv0fO-_DoD4