R.I.P Bruce Lee but....

[Julius Rain]

Kung fu isnt what it used to be when it was held fast within China. It was a land locked art that got tested against itself only in China by quite small people.

These days alot of those techniques that worked then willnot stand up to alot of the modern mixed arts or wouldnt of stood up to some of the ancient ones from other lands back then either.

You got tough men in each gym these days that are not as well trained as some there who are not so tough men but have much more expertise.

Ive seen a guy picked off the streets out of a pool hall with little to no training just a mean all out mutherfucker offered a wad of cash and more if he won, with a jaw like iron step in against a master of many bouts in a full contact open style and the street guy won it. Its happened alot in many places.

Theres no such thing as this art is better than than that art because of this bloke or that bloke or boxing or karate.

You are lucky if a person with natural champion material great dna and a iron chin comes to train with you. (He'll make your style famous not the style its self,not these days.)

Bruce fought on the streets of Hong kong with his school friend because he was Wing Chun under Yip Man in Hong Kong he got tested by other men from other styles it was rife in those early days. So to say he never saw action or real combat is false.

Him being from that style actually is the reason the whole style of Wing Chun is split right down the middle.

There are ones who have traditional style with close tight footwork which is a bit stilted.
Others like Bruce (who Bruce trained with also) who have more range,freer footwork and also the entry technique you see being used in MMA these days is from the exact roots of where Bruce learned to think outside of a traditional style.

All that said, I think on % you could not go past Jujitsu and Hapkido to become an all round cage fighter those styles stand apart.

Even though Jon Jones gives a nod to Bruces eventual all round style of Jeet kune do, I still recon he Jon is a natural and a good example of the whole mixture.

Jon "Bones" Jones: Jeet Kune Do

That is bullshit. It is all about effectiveness in a real fight. There are no videos of Kung Fu working in a real fight. I can pull out videos after videos of Wing Chun or other Kung Fu practicioners getting themselves hurt cause Muay Thai and Boxing are the truth when it comes to effectiveness! Kung Fu people are good talkers but look at reality, there is no such thing as a professional kung fu fighter. There are real life Muay Thai champs, Boxing Champs! I know clowns talk about rules but like I said rules make fights harder and would not take anything away from how effective a style is. Kung Fu is not effective. Bruce Lee is not a real fighter.

And you really don't know shit about MMA if you think Jon Jones is a JKD guy. Keep in mind many Mma guys will show Bruce Lee love because like I said before, we all grew up watching his movies.

Let me school you on Jon Jones, his background is wrestling. He is a good example of a wreslter who learned Muay Thai and represents the MMA world. He is not a bullshit artist like these kung fu masters are. He is exactly what a martial arts should be, in MMA you gotta continue to evolve and get better and better. Its always going to be about effectiveness and look at what is use the most by real fighters. BOXING, MUAY THAI, WRESTLING, JUJITSU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't believe how uneducated you people are outside of boxing!

Bruce Lee is not a fucking fighter, he fought other kung fu guys who sucked as much as he did and were not as effective as other styles. Kung fu is bullshit!!!!!!!! so was Bruce Lee!!!!!! I bet you people think Bruce Lee would of whoop Mike Tyson. You guys must think Bruce Lee is a God who would not feel pain or get put to sleep. The little fucker was an actor! You guys are fools! A lot of people have had street fights, it don't qualify them as a fighter! How am I alone on this shit!?

I agreed with you, if you take the sentence that you highlighted, in context with what was above and below it. But Jeet kune do is a blend of everything I said Jon gives a nod in its direction, not that he started or ended there just that he acknowledges it and utilizes some things from it.

It isnt a traditional kung fu, its everything blended to suit an individual and fighters do use parts of it in real combat just like pieces of every other art; even parts of judo can and are utilized in take downs.

But to say one art rules another on the back of one practitioner is very stupid I agree, (even Bruces fans do this (specially on utube), as do others concerning different people representing their own styles as well.

Proof is that these days you need grounding in a lot of things and you need to be mentally and physically up in the high side % of all those traits as well as being a hard bastard with a tough beard and determination to make it anywhere near the top.

And I agree alot of people have had street fights,and school yard ones etc but a real street fighter one that walks in with cash to bet is the sort thats very hard to beat whatever you've learned, whatever you land on him, he is going to be there in front of you trying to kill you literally until he cant physcially be there in front of you,and that takes more than skill and more than one art to remove that type of person.

If you are lucky enough to get one of those types training in your camp you are very lucky camp.

See I get what your saying about JKD and like I said already it is said to be a philosophy and not an actual style. My problem with your comment is you are giving an unproven art that is indeed being taught to paying customers as much credit to a proven style of fighting (mma). I have a huge problem with martial arts due to the fact that I was a kid once who paid hundreds of dollars to martial arts schools and Im sure there are millions of people similar to me. My whole point is separating what is truly effective and what is not. If you go to traditional martial arts there are many that art cult like and I am so against that nonsense because its a scam. I totally disagree with you when you say its not about that art its about the individual or its not the style thats more effective or not. Yes its exactly that.

Do you not realize a muay thai fighter is going to be more effective in any fight than a kung fu guy because the Thai whole point of developing muay thai was to take away the nonsense and strike with what will work and be effective from a practical stance.

Take boxing for another example. Do you not realize boxers are def going to be more effective because boxers are taught to punch the right way unlike if you take a punch from wing chun. Chain punching, sticky hands, is so fucking retarded. I personally faught a friend who kept talking shit about boxers and how superior Wing Chun is and Kung Fu. I caught the clown with a hook right away and had him twitching like a fish. I'm sorry but your totally wrong if you do not see that many martial arts are not effective. MMA was born from this. Like I said, the four most successful arts in MMA is boxing, muay thai, wrestling and jujitsu. Not JKD, Kung Fu, wing Chun or any other branches of Kung Fu. They are good talkers but not good fighters.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

JKD is NOT a ring SPORT. I spent a number of years learning to kick you in the balls and run off. I learnt to hit you first and run off.

What don't you understand about this difference?

The punching was the same as when I was boxing - except we hit pads with NO gloves - you don't get to wear gloves on the street. When boxing I felt I could punch through walls because my hands were taped.

One 'technique' I was able to transfer from JKD to boxing was when you are is opposite stance, they jab, you jab bridging across theirs and pivot. Both as defence as the bridge deflects their punch down and in the essence of JKD an attacking move. I was able to use this sparring with a professional boxer.

We kicked and got kicked wearing shoes/trainers - no barefoot crap.

First time I ever sparred was with a karate guy who sparred every week. Guess how that went. He was jumping spinning kicking all over the place barefoot and kicked the shit out of his legs.

I'm not saying there has not been a load of shit spouted about Lee but it's like saying everything about Krav Maga is shit because no one in the UFC is doing it. It was never designed to be.

[Master]

Next you will say Jackie Chan and Jet Li are actors too!!!

[Julius Rain]

JKD is NOT a ring SPORT. I spent a number of years learning to kick you in the balls and run off. I learnt to hit you first and run off.

What don't you understand about this difference?

The punching was the same as when I was boxing - except we hit pads with NO gloves - you don't get to wear gloves on the street. When boxing I felt I could punch through walls because my hands were taped.

One 'technique' I was able to transfer from JKD to boxing was when you are is opposite stance, they jab, you jab bridging across theirs and pivot. Both as defence as the bridge deflects their punch down and in the essence of JKD an attacking move. I was able to use this sparring with a professional boxer.

We kicked and got kicked wearing shoes/trainers - no barefoot crap.

First time I ever sparred was with a karate guy who sparred every week. Guess how that went. He was jumping spinning kicking all over the place barefoot and kicked the shit out of his legs.

I'm not saying there has not been a load of shit spouted about Lee but it's like saying everything about Krav Maga is shit because no one in the UFC is doing it. It was never designed to be.

It don't take years to learn to kick someone in balls and ran off. Anybody without training can do that. What makes you think that is special and would easily end a fight or even landing it on somebody who expect that. It the same thing you people say, mma or boxing is a sport and has rules. mma fighter or boxer will still be the same fighter inside the ring or not. You don't think they are not aware of this and you don't think if they decide to kick you in your balls they wont do it because they handicap themselves with rules to satisfy politicians and those other pussies?

Here if you don't want to listen to me listen to Bas Rutten a real fucking fighter!

[Julius Rain]

I'm disappointed in how many of you are deluded. I don't have time to reply to all of you but fuck it. You guys can go ahead a pay hundreds of dollars to so called "masters" and believe the nonsense art and think its all effective.

This is my personal opinion and you guys can have yours. Bruce Lee is an actor not a figher. JKD is Bruce Lees creation. I give him credit for going outside of his traditional kung fu or wing chun but my problem with him is he gets all the credit because of his fame. The real fighters unknown will always have more of my respect. Like I said, Bruce was good at talking or teaching about how to swim but he stayed on the shoreline while real guys who trained to test themselves fought in Pancrase, Pride, UFC were the true fathers of MMA. Bruce talked about cross training and actually calling it his own "JKD" but like a good actor he was never really it.

By the way Missy, I don't know who you know or train with but gloves or shoes vs bare hands or bare foot, none of that even matters. If you can fight you can fight with or without wraps or clothes or shoes.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Kung fu isnt what it used to be when it was held fast within China. It was a land locked art that got tested against itself only in China by quite small people.

These days alot of those techniques that worked then willnot stand up to alot of the modern mixed arts or wouldnt of stood up to some of the ancient ones from other lands back then either.

You got tough men in each gym these days that are not as well trained as some there who are not so tough men but have much more expertise.

Ive seen a guy picked off the streets out of a pool hall with little to no training just a mean all out mutherfucker offered a wad of cash and more if he won, with a jaw like iron step in against a master of many bouts in a full contact open style and the street guy won it. Its happened alot in many places.

Theres no such thing as this art is better than than that art because of this bloke or that bloke or boxing or karate.

You are lucky if a person with natural champion material great dna and a iron chin comes to train with you. (He'll make your style famous not the style its self,not these days.)

Bruce fought on the streets of Hong kong with his school friend because he was Wing Chun under Yip Man in Hong Kong he got tested by other men from other styles it was rife in those early days. So to say he never saw action or real combat is false.

Him being from that style actually is the reason the whole style of Wing Chun is split right down the middle.

There are ones who have traditional style with close tight footwork which is a bit stilted.
Others like Bruce (who Bruce trained with also) who have more range,freer footwork and also the entry technique you see being used in MMA these days is from the exact roots of where Bruce learned to think outside of a traditional style.

All that said, I think on % you could not go past Jujitsu and Hapkido to become an all round cage fighter those styles stand apart.

Even though Jon Jones gives a nod to Bruces eventual all round style of Jeet kune do, I still recon he Jon is a natural and a good example of the whole mixture.

Jon "Bones" Jones: Jeet Kune Do

That is bullshit. It is all about effectiveness in a real fight. There are no videos of Kung Fu working in a real fight. I can pull out videos after videos of Wing Chun or other Kung Fu practicioners getting themselves hurt cause Muay Thai and Boxing are the truth when it comes to effectiveness! Kung Fu people are good talkers but look at reality, there is no such thing as a professional kung fu fighter. There are real life Muay Thai champs, Boxing Champs! I know clowns talk about rules but like I said rules make fights harder and would not take anything away from how effective a style is. Kung Fu is not effective. Bruce Lee is not a real fighter.

And you really don't know shit about MMA if you think Jon Jones is a JKD guy. Keep in mind many Mma guys will show Bruce Lee love because like I said before, we all grew up watching his movies.

Let me school you on Jon Jones, his background is wrestling. He is a good example of a wreslter who learned Muay Thai and represents the MMA world. He is not a bullshit artist like these kung fu masters are. He is exactly what a martial arts should be, in MMA you gotta continue to evolve and get better and better. Its always going to be about effectiveness and look at what is use the most by real fighters. BOXING, MUAY THAI, WRESTLING, JUJITSU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't believe how uneducated you people are outside of boxing!

Bruce Lee is not a fucking fighter, he fought other kung fu guys who sucked as much as he did and were not as effective as other styles. Kung fu is bullshit!!!!!!!! so was Bruce Lee!!!!!! I bet you people think Bruce Lee would of whoop Mike Tyson. You guys must think Bruce Lee is a God who would not feel pain or get put to sleep. The little fucker was an actor! You guys are fools! A lot of people have had street fights, it don't qualify them as a fighter! How am I alone on this shit!?

I agreed with you, if you take the sentence that you highlighted, in context with what was above and below it. But Jeet kune do is a blend of everything I said Jon gives a nod in its direction, not that he started or ended there just that he acknowledges it and utilizes some things from it.

It isnt a traditional kung fu, its everything blended to suit an individual and fighters do use parts of it in real combat just like pieces of every other art; even parts of judo can and are utilized in take downs.

But to say one art rules another on the back of one practitioner is very stupid I agree, (even Bruces fans do this (specially on utube), as do others concerning different people representing their own styles as well.

Proof is that these days you need grounding in a lot of things and you need to be mentally and physically up in the high side % of all those traits as well as being a hard bastard with a tough beard and determination to make it anywhere near the top.

And I agree alot of people have had street fights,and school yard ones etc but a real street fighter one that walks in with cash to bet is the sort thats very hard to beat whatever you've learned, whatever you land on him, he is going to be there in front of you trying to kill you literally until he cant physcially be there in front of you,and that takes more than skill and more than one art to remove that type of person.

If you are lucky enough to get one of those types training in your camp you are very lucky camp.

See I get what your saying about JKD and like I said already it is said to be a philosophy and not an actual style. My problem with your comment is you are giving an unproven art that is indeed being taught to paying customers as much credit to a proven style of fighting (mma). I have a huge problem with martial arts due to the fact that I was a kid once who paid hundreds of dollars to martial arts schools and Im sure there are millions of people similar to me. My whole point is separating what is truly effective and what is not. If you go to traditional martial arts there are many that art cult like and I am so against that nonsense because its a scam. I totally disagree with you when you say its not about that art its about the individual or its not the style thats more effective or not. Yes its exactly that.

Do you not realize a muay thai fighter is going to be more effective in any fight than a kung fu guy because the Thai whole point of developing muay thai was to take away the nonsense and strike with what will work and be effective from a practical stance.

Take boxing for another example. Do you not realize boxers are def going to be more effective because boxers are taught to punch the right way unlike if you take a punch from wing chun. Chain punching, sticky hands, is so fucking retarded. I personally faught a friend who kept talking shit about boxers and how superior Wing Chun is and Kung Fu. I caught the clown with a hook right away and had him twitching like a fish. I'm sorry but your totally wrong if you do not see that many martial arts are not effective. MMA was born from this. Like I said, the four most successful arts in MMA is boxing, muay thai, wrestling and jujitsu. Not JKD, Kung Fu, wing Chun or any other branches of Kung Fu. They are good talkers but not good fighters.

name someone who is a 100% boxer in MMA who has not learnt to sprawl?
They all now cross train.

If you knew anything about Lee's training and his journals he recognised this too. The limitations in MA. You have a wrestler - force him to stand and trade, a boxer? take him to the ground.

You're showing your own lack of knowledge about his work based on internet trolls.

[Andre]

Styles = art. If you cannot use something from one or another style, that is of use then the problem is a fixed attitude.

I still say (within weight range) the individual real street fighter (hard core muther fucker) will adapt and beat most martial artists of only one discipline, whatever it is ,from whatever country.

Theres a couple of exceptions out there but generally speaking going on the regular people that fill in all the halls and gyms that go for self defense or fitness or the arts sake or the spiritual side of it they havent a hope against a natural killer.

Also most martial arts are stages that go from fists to swords to open hand teqniques where the eyes are the main targets in the final form.

MMA is the real modern day answer for cage fighting though, Kung fu has no business in there.
But some techniques from some of parts of them most certainly can have a place in some circumstances.

Talking about philosophy of fighting: the worse thing anyone can carry into training or the ring is their ego built from a fixed attitude.

[Andre]

Kung fu isnt what it used to be when it was held fast within China. It was a land locked art that got tested against itself only in China by quite small people.

These days alot of those techniques that worked then willnot stand up to alot of the modern mixed arts or wouldnt of stood up to some of the ancient ones from other lands back then either.

You got tough men in each gym these days that are not as well trained as some there who are not so tough men but have much more expertise.

Ive seen a guy picked off the streets out of a pool hall with little to no training just a mean all out mutherfucker offered a wad of cash and more if he won, with a jaw like iron step in against a master of many bouts in a full contact open style and the street guy won it. Its happened alot in many places.

Theres no such thing as this art is better than than that art because of this bloke or that bloke or boxing or karate.

You are lucky if a person with natural champion material great dna and a iron chin comes to train with you. (He'll make your style famous not the style its self,not these days.)

Bruce fought on the streets of Hong kong with his school friend because he was Wing Chun under Yip Man in Hong Kong he got tested by other men from other styles it was rife in those early days. So to say he never saw action or real combat is false.

Him being from that style actually is the reason the whole style of Wing Chun is split right down the middle.

There are ones who have traditional style with close tight footwork which is a bit stilted.
Others like Bruce (who Bruce trained with also) who have more range,freer footwork and also the entry technique you see being used in MMA these days is from the exact roots of where Bruce learned to think outside of a traditional style.

All that said, I think on % you could not go past Jujitsu and Hapkido to become an all round cage fighter those styles stand apart.

Even though Jon Jones gives a nod to Bruces eventual all round style of Jeet kune do, I still recon he Jon is a natural and a good example of the whole mixture.

Jon "Bones" Jones: Jeet Kune Do

That is bullshit. It is all about effectiveness in a real fight. There are no videos of Kung Fu working in a real fight. I can pull out videos after videos of Wing Chun or other Kung Fu practicioners getting themselves hurt cause Muay Thai and Boxing are the truth when it comes to effectiveness! Kung Fu people are good talkers but look at reality, there is no such thing as a professional kung fu fighter. There are real life Muay Thai champs, Boxing Champs! I know clowns talk about rules but like I said rules make fights harder and would not take anything away from how effective a style is. Kung Fu is not effective. Bruce Lee is not a real fighter.

And you really don't know shit about MMA if you think Jon Jones is a JKD guy. Keep in mind many Mma guys will show Bruce Lee love because like I said before, we all grew up watching his movies.

Let me school you on Jon Jones, his background is wrestling. He is a good example of a wreslter who learned Muay Thai and represents the MMA world. He is not a bullshit artist like these kung fu masters are. He is exactly what a martial arts should be, in MMA you gotta continue to evolve and get better and better. Its always going to be about effectiveness and look at what is use the most by real fighters. BOXING, MUAY THAI, WRESTLING, JUJITSU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't believe how uneducated you people are outside of boxing!

Bruce Lee is not a fucking fighter, he fought other kung fu guys who sucked as much as he did and were not as effective as other styles. Kung fu is bullshit!!!!!!!! so was Bruce Lee!!!!!! I bet you people think Bruce Lee would of whoop Mike Tyson. You guys must think Bruce Lee is a God who would not feel pain or get put to sleep. The little fucker was an actor! You guys are fools! A lot of people have had street fights, it don't qualify them as a fighter! How am I alone on this shit!?

I agreed with you, if you take the sentence that you highlighted, in context with what was above and below it. But Jeet kune do is a blend of everything I said Jon gives a nod in its direction, not that he started or ended there just that he acknowledges it and utilizes some things from it.

It isnt a traditional kung fu, its everything blended to suit an individual and fighters do use parts of it in real combat just like pieces of every other art; even parts of judo can and are utilized in take downs.

But to say one art rules another on the back of one practitioner is very stupid I agree, (even Bruces fans do this (specially on utube), as do others concerning different people representing their own styles as well.

Proof is that these days you need grounding in a lot of things and you need to be mentally and physically up in the high side % of all those traits as well as being a hard bastard with a tough beard and determination to make it anywhere near the top.

And I agree alot of people have had street fights,and school yard ones etc but a real street fighter one that walks in with cash to bet is the sort thats very hard to beat whatever you've learned, whatever you land on him, he is going to be there in front of you trying to kill you literally until he cant physcially be there in front of you,and that takes more than skill and more than one art to remove that type of person.

If you are lucky enough to get one of those types training in your camp you are very lucky camp.

See I get what your saying about JKD and like I said already it is said to be a philosophy and not an actual style. My problem with your comment is you are giving an unproven art that is indeed being taught to paying customers as much credit to a proven style of fighting (mma). I have a huge problem with martial arts due to the fact that I was a kid once who paid hundreds of dollars to martial arts schools and Im sure there are millions of people similar to me. My whole point is separating what is truly effective and what is not. If you go to traditional martial arts there are many that art cult like and I am so against that nonsense because its a scam. I totally disagree with you when you say its not about that art its about the individual or its not the style thats more effective or not. Yes its exactly that.

Do you not realize a muay thai fighter is going to be more effective in any fight than a kung fu guy because the Thai whole point of developing muay thai was to take away the nonsense and strike with what will work and be effective from a practical stance.

Take boxing for another example. Do you not realize boxers are def going to be more effective because boxers are taught to punch the right way unlike if you take a punch from wing chun. Chain punching, sticky hands, is so fucking retarded. I personally faught a friend who kept talking shit about boxers and how superior Wing Chun is and Kung Fu. I caught the clown with a hook right away and had him twitching like a fish. I'm sorry but your totally wrong if you do not see that many martial arts are not effective. MMA was born from this. Like I said, the four most successful arts in MMA is boxing, muay thai, wrestling and jujitsu. Not JKD, Kung Fu, wing Chun or any other branches of Kung Fu. They are good talkers but not good fighters.

You are still reading too much into what Ive wrote from your own perspective.

I did three months in Thailand and a month in Sumatra when in my late twenties in the mid eighties.

The Thai fighters of Krabi surprized me that they could legally grab behind the head and pull the head down and they could legally elbow to the face, but they never thought to do the the two moves together in sync when in close. Shocked me and them.