Joe Calzaghe is the 2nd most overrated fighter of all time. Rocky Marciano is no.1

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_SJtawBeoE

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I enjoyed this video but its laughable

Calzaghe beat Hopkins, yeah it was close on the scores, but I don't think calzaghe lost a round after the 4th, perhaps the 9th

Lol like Hopkins is some kind of evidence. Second last fight of the mans career against the biggest spoiler of the 21st century. Robinson lost to Archer and Harrington twice at the end of his career. In fact Robinson lost about ten times in his last two years. If Hopkins is the gauge for Joes career then Ray is surly overrated.

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Lol like Hopkins is some kind of evidence. Second last fight of the mans career against the biggest spoiler of the 21st century. Robinson lost to Archer and Harrington twice at the end of his career. In fact Robinson lost about ten times in his last two years. If Hopkins is the gauge for Joes career then Ray is surly overrated.

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I find it hard to put Calzaghe and his career in the same breath as Robinson , to be fair.
Calzaghe didn't take many risks as a fighter , and was very well matched at the right times.
Good fighter yes , all time great no. Not even close.

This is like Groundhog day,!!!!!!!!!! to win 46 fights and retire undefeated is some feat, Yes he
is a great fighter, regardless what people SAY the history books will tell you, Joe is a bit
like Ronseal , he doe's what it says on the tin,! no bullshit a 2 weight Champion undefeated
in 46 bout nothing more to add.;)

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Several years ago when Carl Froch called out Joe Calzaghe, trying to drum up interest in a potential fight between these two British fighters. Froch's calling out of Calzaghe came off the heels of his TKO victory over Jermain Taylor on 4-25-2009. Calzaghe for his part had dismissed Froch saying, "Enough is enough with Carl Froch calling me out,” Calzaghe told the South Wales Argus. “I can tell you categorically that I will not fight the guy even if I did come out of retirement, which I am not going to do..."I am sick to death of him drumming up free publicity for himself by using my name,” Calzaghe said. “No one who watched the fight can believe he’s in my class. He’s my stalker."..."For the first eight rounds against Taylor he was like a goalkeeper with no defense. He was being outclassed and outfought by a middleweight who’s seen better days."

HOWEVER...Here's the truth about Calzaghe:

You know who is overrated? Joe Calzaghe is overrated. Sure he beat Roy Jones,and Bernard Hopkins, but both those guys are past their respective primes, meaning he beat faded legends. If he'd have fought them in their primes, he'd have gone 0-2, or 1-1 at best.

Calzaghe has built his record having been sheltered in England, and fighting fringe contenders, never-will-be's, over-hyped stars, and as I mentioned already, faded legends. If that's not the definition of overrated, I don't know what is. he is the msot overated boxer of all time, he stayed in england and cardiff dodging boxers then came over and beat a 41 year old roy jones junior and a bernard hopkins who was passed his best, he did beat kessler and that was a good achievement and beat an overated jeff lacy, but other than that he was well overated, he ducked pavlik and froch instead he fought peter manfredo!!!

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I'm surprised you haven't been burned at the stake over this.

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Really? because that in itself is a myth that you invented and then spent 16 pages trolling about whilst avoiding the first post that wholly disproved your argument about Froch being more likeable. http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...light=Calzaghe You dismissed Calzaghes career after admitting only watching the Hopkins and Manfredo fights and then when people suggested you might have come to a different conclusion if you had actually watched more boxing you came up with the idea that dissing Calzaghe was somehow sacrilegious. We get it you don't rate him. It's no big deal.

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Blimey, The Fenster owned TitoFan and Althguz in that thread. Fact.

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Wow.... your response to my facts was, well....... overwhelming.
How do you respond to logic like that?

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What facts would those be my friend?

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Fact 1: The thread is 16 pages long. My personal contribution is but a small part. Thus, the assertion that I "spent 16 pages trolling" is false.

Fact 2: The assertion that I "avoided the first post that proved my premise of Froch being more likeable than Calzaghe as being false" is fatally flawed from the start. There is no "proving" one boxer being more or less likeable than another.


I would continue, but you get the point.
Enough facts for you....... my friend?

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Wow.... your response to my facts was, well....... overwhelming.
How do you respond to logic like that?

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What facts would those be my friend?

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Fact 1: The thread is 16 pages long. My personal contribution is but a small part. Thus, the assertion that I "spent 16 pages trolling" is false.

Fact 2: The assertion that I "avoided the first post that proved my premise of Froch being more likeable than Calzaghe as being false" is fatally flawed from the start. There is no "proving" one boxer being more or less likeable than another.

I would continue, but you get the point.
Enough facts for you....... my friend?

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I dont care about that stuff man and never said you were trolling. Nor did I say Froch was less likeable or more likeable then Calzaghe. I think they are both a bit on the twat side.

I was asking for facts based on the title of the thread.

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This is like Groundhog day,!!!!!!!!!! to win 46 fights and retire undefeated is some feat, Yes he
is a great fighter, regardless what people SAY the history books will tell you, Joe is a bit
like Ronseal , he doe's what it says on the tin,! no bullshit a 2 weight Champion undefeated
in 46 bout nothing more to add.;)

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He is a great fighter.

Ronseal doesnt work on all woods.
On some wood material the ronseal liquid doesnt gel that well but if you avoid that certain type of wood it does exactly what it says on the tin.

Wood like glen johnson and a bernard hopkins rematch is just one of the many type woods that people seem to bring up.

But, all boxers are guilty of alittle bit of less risk more money options!

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Wow.... your response to my facts was, well....... overwhelming.
How do you respond to logic like that?

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What facts would those be my friend?

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Fact 1: The thread is 16 pages long. My personal contribution is but a small part. Thus, the assertion that I "spent 16 pages trolling" is false.

Fact 2: The assertion that I "avoided the first post that proved my premise of Froch being more likeable than Calzaghe as being false" is fatally flawed from the start. There is no "proving" one boxer being more or less likeable than another.

I would continue, but you get the point.
Enough facts for you....... my friend?

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I dont care about that stuff man and never said you were trolling. Nor did I say Froch was less likeable or more likeable then Calzaghe. I think they are both a bit on the twat side.

I was asking for facts based on the title of the thread.

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Ok you're missing the boat here... but it's not worth having an argument about it.

The facts I was referring to were the ones responding to the baseless accusations Beanie leveled against me. Then, when I called him on it, he gave me a one-sentence response, obviously clueless about what I had just proven to him.

You're referring to the thread title. One, by the way, that I did not originate.
You want to argue about the thread title..... please argue with the originator.

Thanks,

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Wow.... your response to my facts was, well....... overwhelming.
How do you respond to logic like that?

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What facts would those be my friend?

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Fact 1: The thread is 16 pages long. My personal contribution is but a small part. Thus, the assertion that I "spent 16 pages trolling" is false.

Fact 2: The assertion that I "avoided the first post that proved my premise of Froch being more likeable than Calzaghe as being false" is fatally flawed from the start. There is no "proving" one boxer being more or less likeable than another.

I would continue, but you get the point.
Enough facts for you....... my friend?

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I dont care about that stuff man and never said you were trolling. Nor did I say Froch was less likeable or more likeable then Calzaghe. I think they are both a bit on the twat side.

I was asking for facts based on the title of the thread.

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Ok you're missing the boat here... but it's not worth having an argument about it.

The facts I was referring to were the ones responding to the baseless accusations Beanie leveled against me. Then, when I called him on it, he gave me a one-sentence response, obviously clueless about what I had just proven to him.

You're referring to the thread title. One, by the way, that I did not originate.
You want to argue about the thread title..... please argue with the originator.

Thanks,

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Yeah I suppose I lost the plot. When I asked for facts it was concerning the actual thread title. You thought I meant something else and answered in kind.

I get it now.

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Wow.... your response to my facts was, well....... overwhelming.
How do you respond to logic like that?

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What facts would those be my friend?

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Fact 1: The thread is 16 pages long. My personal contribution is but a small part. Thus, the assertion that I "spent 16 pages trolling" is false.

Fact 2: The assertion that I "avoided the first post that proved my premise of Froch being more likeable than Calzaghe as being false" is fatally flawed from the start. There is no "proving" one boxer being more or less likeable than another.


I would continue, but you get the point.
Enough facts for you....... my friend?

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It was your thread, you started it and propagated the huge amount of bullshit in it you plum. You were condescending to Iaminuit then, just like you are being now. You spent the whole thread talking Jackson Pollacks after admitting only watching 2 Calzaghe fights. From the off in the first post you moaned like a moaning Minnie about not enjoying watching Calzaghe fight as much as Froch, so it was pretty clear the likeability factor was a red herring. You had nothing to say and spent 16 pages trying to back out of a corner after being owned by a clearly inebriated Fenster. You are a very silly boy.

..42 and 0, 32 KO's...you girls are just goin to have to get over it...Roy "no chin" Jones and "Soapy Hopkins waited till Joe was over the hill, made him move up to 175 and still couldn't beat him..;D..get outta here you shower of nancyboys..;)

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You were condescending to Iaminuit then, just like you are being now.

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Stop talking for other people, twerp. Or are you now kissing IamInuit's ass as well?
The Ass-Kissing Grandpa.

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You had nothing to say and spent 16 pages trying to back out of a corner after being owned by a clearly inebriated Fenster. You are a very silly boy.

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Owned? The only thing Fenster owns is a jiss-covered, full-sized poster of Naseem Hamed..... and he's so butthurt about my ridiculing that he stalks my every post on every thread. Just like you, Ass-Kissing Gramps.

*1st of all..Cal beat Hopkins... there's no doubt... , and if memory serves me, Cal doubled Hops punches landed...

*most over-rated... roid Jones. off the juice, he's no better than a btter than average fighter.

*most under rated: Calzaghi...NEVER... and i'll say it again, NEVER, has there ever been a fighter, a world champ, an undefeated fighter of more than 25 fights ,that ever went into each fight as the underdog. every major fight he fought, he was expected to lose... and he won. aot of haters out there.

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You were condescending to Iaminuit then, just like you are being now.

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Stop talking for other people, twerp. Or are you now kissing IamInuit's ass as well?
The Ass-Kissing Grandpa.

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You had nothing to say and spent 16 pages trying to back out of a corner after being owned by a clearly inebriated Fenster. You are a very silly boy.

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Owned? The only thing Fenster owns is a jiss-covered, full-sized poster of Naseem Hamed..... and he's so butthurt about my ridiculing that he stalks my every post on every thread. Just like you, Ass-Kissing Gramps.

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It's not ass kissing it's called respect. What is it with the Gramps thing ? That's a pretty lame insult. As for the jizz thing and butthurt ? that just undermines any credibility from the rest of your post and confirms that you are a very silly boy.

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*1st of all..Cal beat Hopkins... there's no doubt... he looked like he won conterbally, and if memory serves me, Cal doubled Hops punches landed...

*most over-rated... roid Jones. off the juice, he's no better than a btter than average fighter.

*most under rated: Calzaghi...NEVER... and i'll say it again, NEVER, has there ever been a fighter, a world champ, an undefeated fighter of more than 25 fights ,that ever went into each fight as the underdog. every major fight he fought, he was expected to lose... and he won. aot of haters out there.

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I agree Calzaghe is/probably will be underrated. Otherwise the merit of this post is zilch and you're clearly a bit of a "hater" yourself.

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You were condescending to Iaminuit then, just like you are being now.

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Stop talking for other people, twerp. Or are you now kissing IamInuit's ass as well?
The Ass-Kissing Grandpa.

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You had nothing to say and spent 16 pages trying to back out of a corner after being owned by a clearly inebriated Fenster. You are a very silly boy.

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Owned? The only thing Fenster owns is a jiss-covered, full-sized poster of Naseem Hamed..... and he's so butthurt about my ridiculing that he stalks my every post on every thread. Just like you, Ass-Kissing Gramps.

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It's not ass kissing it's called respect. What is it with the Gramps thing ? That's a pretty lame insult. As for the jizz thing and butthurt ? that just undermines any credibility from the rest of your post and confirms that you are a very silly boy.

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Give it a rest, Beanie. I'm not inclined to continue trading barbs with you.
Aren't there other topics of interest you'd rather discuss? Seriously.

As for Calzaghe... I'm not the one calling him overrated on here. Do you even realize that?

No... I didn't follow him his entire career, but the little I did see, was not to my liking from a fan point of view. His punches were lightly thrown... and his flurries were meant more for show than for damage. Someone mentioned he had brittle hands... and I guess that could do it. Maybe he was the huge puncher way back when... who knows.

But seriously..... take a pill and go back to discussing the ills of the world in the other boards you like so much.

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..42 and 0, 32 KO's...you girls are just goin to have to get over it...Roy "no chin" Jones and "Soapy Hopkins waited till Joe was over the hill, made him move up to 175 and still couldn't beat him..;D..get outta here you shower of nancyboys..;)

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Follow boxing much? Roy Jones was cleaning house at 175 when Joe was just starting to get his feet wet at 168? Hopkins was firmly entrenched at 160 when Joe was peaking at 168.

But seriously..... take a pill and go back to discussing the ills of the world in the other boards you like so much.

These are not posts but threads started in the last few weeks. Step up or STFU

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ous-fight.html

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-8-2014-a.html

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tzpatrick.html

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...postponed.html

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...at-thread.html

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...at-thread.html

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-nov-16-a.html

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...rted-ways.html

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ing-video.html

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...at-thread.html

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ruit-bowl.html


http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...r-scoring.html


http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...onference.html


http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...g-porkies.html


http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...sage-fury.html


http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...at-thread.html


http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...n-cockell.html


http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...utterbean.html

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...hat-trick.html

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...rd-debate.html A First I think

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...at-thread.html


Maybe open your eyes and start here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ge2oCEH6NI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ_Vt6h0z4w&app=desktop

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..42 and 0, 32 KO's...you girls are just goin to have to get over it...Roy "no chin" Jones and "Soapy Hopkins waited till Joe was over the hill, made him move up to 175 and still couldn't beat him..;D..get outta here you shower of nancyboys..;)

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Follow boxing much? Roy Jones was cleaning house at 175 when Joe was just starting to get his feet wet at 168? Hopkins was firmly entrenched at 160 when Joe was peaking at 168.

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..not a lot..but I did box in the Ams from 1964 untill 1989 and spent a few years after that as a ref/judge and lately as a coach..BUT WHAT DO I KNOW compared to a little nancyboy with the apt name of Iamanidiot;D

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..42 and 0, 32 KO's...you girls are just goin to have to get over it...Roy "no chin" Jones and "Soapy Hopkins waited till Joe was over the hill, made him move up to 175 and still couldn't beat him..;D..get outta here you shower of nancyboys..;)

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Follow boxing much? Roy Jones was cleaning house at 175 when Joe was just starting to get his feet wet at 168? Hopkins was firmly entrenched at 160 when Joe was peaking at 168.

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..not a lot..but I did box in the Ams from 1964 untill 1989 and spent a few years after that as a ref/judge and lately as a coach..BUT WHAT DO I KNOW compared to a little nancyboy with the apt name of Iamanidiot;D

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You cant possibly have done that at age 12. You are no dandy at all. You calling me a Nancy, an idiot and making fun of my handle after making the dumb ass post that I responded to only proves you further to be just that. A dumb ass. Claiming that Hopkins and Jones ducked Calzaghe is a stupid as claiming Joe ducked them.

So endeth the lesson.

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Wow.... your response to my facts was, well....... overwhelming.
How do you respond to logic like that?

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What facts would those be my friend?

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Fact 1: The thread is 16 pages long. My personal contribution is but a small part. Thus, the assertion that I "spent 16 pages trolling" is false.

Fact 2: The assertion that I "avoided the first post that proved my premise of Froch being more likeable than Calzaghe as being false" is fatally flawed from the start. There is no "proving" one boxer being more or less likeable than another.


I would continue, but you get the point.
Enough facts for you....... my friend?

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It was your thread, you started it and propagated the huge amount of bullshit in it you plum. You were condescending to Iaminuit then, just like you are being now. You spent the whole thread talking Jackson Pollacks after admitting only watching 2 Calzaghe fights. From the off in the first post you moaned like a moaning Minnie about not enjoying watching Calzaghe fight as much as Froch, so it was pretty clear the likeability factor was a red herring. You had nothing to say and spent 16 pages trying to back out of a corner after being owned by a clearly inebriated Fenster. You are a very silly boy.

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I am always inebriated. Fact.

I knew it! ;D

MODS: pls change the title of my OP - I am the OP and I demand the right's of an OP -- to "Joe Calzaghe 1 of the overrated fighters of our time"

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MODS: pls change the title of my OP - I am the OP and I demand the right's of an OP -- to "Insert any name 1 of the overrated fighters of our time"

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MODS: pls change the title of my OP - I am the OP and I demand the right's of an OP -- to "Insert any name 1 of the overrated fighters of our time"

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quite liberally, I might add. :rolleyes:

;D

Hahahahahaha

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If Calzaghe had a big punch to go with his other skills he would be a legend.

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Winning the 168 World Title in 1997, Calzaghe DID have a big punch back then.

At the time, Calzaghe was no volume puncher; he knocked peoples' brains out, but then his hands went bad on him, and he was forced to change up his game.
It's a credit and testament to his quality as a world-class fighter that he was able to totally change up his style and still compete at the top levels of a world sport. How many other fighters could do that?
Douchebags like kellerman were acting like Lacy was practically the uncrowned Champ in 2006, and all that remained was the novelty of making it official by knocking over Joe. I was certain Calzaghe would easily out-box him, but I had no idea it would be such a brutal, 1-sided beatdown.

Calzaghe was one of the best of the era circa late 90s to late 2000s.

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this is perfectly acceptable.......

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this is borderline acceptable,..........

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THAt is totally unacceptable, rubbing my nose in it............ :)

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Marciano sucks

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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Marciano sucks

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that is fucking cunt over-the-top blatant disrespect you cunt.

Just saw Joe Calzaghe on BT Sports and one thing he said was that if he fought 15 rounds he would have been better. No one could keep up with him in terms of fitness. He would have convincingly bean Hopkins, stopped Lacy and probably Jones.

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Just saw Joe Calzaghe on BT Sports and one thing he said was that if he fought 15 rounds he would have been better. No one could keep up with him in terms of fitness. He would have convincingly bean Hopkins, stopped Lacy and probably Jones.

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but not in their primes he wouldnt.

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Just saw Joe Calzaghe on BT Sports and one thing he said was that if he fought 15 rounds he would have been better. No one could keep up with him in terms of fitness. He would have convincingly bean Hopkins, stopped Lacy and probably Jones.

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Jones is the only man imo that would have beaten JOE and most likely stopped him at 168.

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Just saw Joe Calzaghe on BT Sports and one thing he said was that if he fought 15 rounds he would have been better. No one could keep up with him in terms of fitness. He would have convincingly bean Hopkins, stopped Lacy and probably Jones.

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Jones is the only man imo that would have beaten JOE and most likely stopped him at 168.

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I agree but the fights he had with them at that time. Joe would beat Hopkins at 168 and above but agreed not Roy in his prime at light heavy, maybe at 168lb.