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Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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bzkfn
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erics44
i dont understand
maloney (prices promoter) didnt want the fight yet it was fury who relinquished the belts so price could fight somebody else for them?
or are we talking about something else?
Yes @
erics44 that's what we're talking about. Apparently that's what happened. Price was so scared of Fury, that Tyson vacated to allow Price to win both belts at first try and avoid a humilating defeat at the hands of his fearsome rival. He's actually avoiding Wlad for the same reason.
If Fury is one thing, it is compassionate.
in all honesty, id like to hear the explanation for the above but in my opinion, at the time,
i felt fury was right not to fight price because that fight could have been built into a monster a little later down the line
obviously it didnt work out that way, and now it looks like if fury could have lasted a few rounds against price he could have pulled off a win which would have been massive for him, so maybe he should have taken it
How many fights can you name where that actually worked out? It's the most laughable comment in British boxing - "wait until they have "world" titles" or "wait until they get a bit bigger"
maybe maybe not
get me some statistics
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Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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erics44
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bzkfn
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erics44
i dont understand
maloney (prices promoter) didnt want the fight yet it was fury who relinquished the belts so price could fight somebody else for them?
or are we talking about something else?
Yes @
erics44 that's what we're talking about. Apparently that's what happened. Price was so scared of Fury, that Tyson vacated to allow Price to win both belts at first try and avoid a humilating defeat at the hands of his fearsome rival. He's actually avoiding Wlad for the same reason.
If Fury is one thing, it is compassionate.
in all honesty,
id like to hear the explanation for the above but in my opinion, at the time, i felt fury was right not to fight price because that fight could have been built into a monster a little later down the line
obviously it didnt work out that way, and now it looks like if fury could have lasted a few rounds against price he could have pulled off a win which would have been massive for him, so maybe he should have taken it
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...o-maloney.html
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Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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erics44
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
bzkfn
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Originally Posted by
erics44
i dont understand
maloney (prices promoter) didnt want the fight yet it was fury who relinquished the belts so price could fight somebody else for them?
or are we talking about something else?
Yes @
erics44 that's what we're talking about. Apparently that's what happened. Price was so scared of Fury, that Tyson vacated to allow Price to win both belts at first try and avoid a humilating defeat at the hands of his fearsome rival. He's actually avoiding Wlad for the same reason.
If Fury is one thing, it is compassionate.
in all honesty, id like to hear the explanation for the above but in my opinion, at the time,
i felt fury was right not to fight price because that fight could have been built into a monster a little later down the line
obviously it didnt work out that way, and now it looks like if fury could have lasted a few rounds against price he could have pulled off a win which would have been massive for him, so maybe he should have taken it
How many fights can you name where that actually worked out? It's the most laughable comment in British boxing - "wait until they have "world" titles" or "wait until they get a bit bigger"
maybe maybe not
get me some statistics
Err... the onus is on you mate. Name the fights between British prospects that were successfully "built into monsters down the line"
If it was so common you'd be able to name dozens off the top of your head. It's just shit that promoters say when they're trying to protect their investment.
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Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
bzkfn
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Originally Posted by
erics44
i dont understand
maloney (prices promoter) didnt want the fight yet it was fury who relinquished the belts so price could fight somebody else for them?
or are we talking about something else?
Yes @
erics44 that's what we're talking about. Apparently that's what happened. Price was so scared of Fury, that Tyson vacated to allow Price to win both belts at first try and avoid a humilating defeat at the hands of his fearsome rival. He's actually avoiding Wlad for the same reason.
If Fury is one thing, it is compassionate.
in all honesty, id like to hear the explanation for the above but in my opinion, at the time,
i felt fury was right not to fight price because that fight could have been built into a monster a little later down the line
obviously it didnt work out that way, and now it looks like if fury could have lasted a few rounds against price he could have pulled off a win which would have been massive for him, so maybe he should have taken it
How many fights can you name where that actually worked out? It's the most laughable comment in British boxing - "wait until they have "world" titles" or "wait until they get a bit bigger"
maybe maybe not
get me some statistics
Err... the onus is on you mate. Name the fights between British prospects that were successfully "built into monsters down the line"
If it was so common you'd be able to name dozens off the top of your head. It's just shit that promoters say when they're trying to protect their investment.
You could also say, how often do you get two similarly skilled fighters in the same weights in the UK?
The biggest recent one I can think of instantly that should have happened is Hatton V Witter.
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Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
Do you think Hughie is going to beat Mike Tyson as youngest HW champ Ross , as Peter Fury said ?
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Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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ross
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erics44
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bzkfn
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Originally Posted by
erics44
i dont understand
maloney (prices promoter) didnt want the fight yet it was fury who relinquished the belts so price could fight somebody else for them?
or are we talking about something else?
Yes @
erics44 that's what we're talking about. Apparently that's what happened. Price was so scared of Fury, that Tyson vacated to allow Price to win both belts at first try and avoid a humilating defeat at the hands of his fearsome rival. He's actually avoiding Wlad for the same reason.
If Fury is one thing, it is compassionate.
in all honesty,
id like to hear the explanation for the above but in my opinion, at the time, i felt fury was right not to fight price because that fight could have been built into a monster a little later down the line
obviously it didnt work out that way, and now it looks like if fury could have lasted a few rounds against price he could have pulled off a win which would have been massive for him, so maybe he should have taken it
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...o-maloney.html
Peter Fury is certain that the fight will sell 80,000 tickets and can't believe Price turned down £125,000 ;D Genius.
Basically they ducked Price because they would have lost the purse bids. They didn't want to end up on BoxNation (the irony) because they have Channel 5. Well that worked out well.
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Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
bzkfn
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Originally Posted by
erics44
i dont understand
maloney (prices promoter) didnt want the fight yet it was fury who relinquished the belts so price could fight somebody else for them?
or are we talking about something else?
Yes @
erics44 that's what we're talking about. Apparently that's what happened. Price was so scared of Fury, that Tyson vacated to allow Price to win both belts at first try and avoid a humilating defeat at the hands of his fearsome rival. He's actually avoiding Wlad for the same reason.
If Fury is one thing, it is compassionate.
in all honesty,
id like to hear the explanation for the above but in my opinion, at the time, i felt fury was right not to fight price because that fight could have been built into a monster a little later down the line
obviously it didnt work out that way, and now it looks like if fury could have lasted a few rounds against price he could have pulled off a win which would have been massive for him, so maybe he should have taken it
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...o-maloney.html
Peter Fury is certain that the fight will sell 80,000 tickets and can't believe Price turned down £125,000 ;D Genius.
Basically they ducked Price because they would have lost the purse bids. They didn't want to end up on BoxNation (the irony) because they have Channel 5.
Well that worked out well.
Tyson went on to sign up for a pay per view event and when he beats Chisora again he will be in line for a title shot. David is where he is and wont go much further than where he was.
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Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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ross
Tyson went on to sign up for a pay per view event and when he beats Chisora again he will be in line for a title shot. David is where he is and wont go much further than where he was.
Yeah Tyson is living large because he's feasting on bums. Once he fights a decent heavyweight he'll lose...hence why he balked at fighting Tony Thompson
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Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
bzkfn
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Originally Posted by
erics44
i dont understand
maloney (prices promoter) didnt want the fight yet it was fury who relinquished the belts so price could fight somebody else for them?
or are we talking about something else?
Yes @
erics44 that's what we're talking about. Apparently that's what happened. Price was so scared of Fury, that Tyson vacated to allow Price to win both belts at first try and avoid a humilating defeat at the hands of his fearsome rival. He's actually avoiding Wlad for the same reason.
If Fury is one thing, it is compassionate.
in all honesty, id like to hear the explanation for the above but in my opinion, at the time,
i felt fury was right not to fight price because that fight could have been built into a monster a little later down the line
obviously it didnt work out that way, and now it looks like if fury could have lasted a few rounds against price he could have pulled off a win which would have been massive for him, so maybe he should have taken it
How many fights can you name where that actually worked out? It's the most laughable comment in British boxing - "wait until they have "world" titles" or "wait until they get a bit bigger"
maybe maybe not
get me some statistics
Err... the onus is on you mate. Name the fights between British prospects that were successfully "built into monsters down the line"
If it was so common you'd be able to name dozens off the top of your head. It's just shit that promoters say when they're trying to protect their investment.
apart from fury price I can only remember ones that have, its you that saying it doesn't happen so its up to you to prove it
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ross
I cant believe people are still backing Price!
He's only lost to Tony Thompson twice who is a very good very underrated boxer. Tony Thompson called out YOUR BOY Tyson Fury and Tyson didn't want anything to do with him and rightfully so!
Oh and let me go ahead and post your immediate reaction
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But Pulev beat Thompson and Abell knockeddown Pulev and Fury stopped Abell"
and I'll respond with the simple fact that Tyson Fury fought Joey Abell instead of someone good, it's not like the big oaf didn't have options, but whatever we all know he's really hiding from Wlad. Tyson Fury is hiding from Wlad because he's scared and that's why he's talking so much.
I do agree that fury and his promoter want nothing to do with tony the tiger.
Fury is good and he must be better than david price when you look at the opponents they have faced but he wants no part of an old dangerous fighter in tony thompson.
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I do agree that fury and his promoter want nothing to do with tony the tiger.
Fury is good and he must be better than david price when you look at the opponents they have faced but he wants no part of an old dangerous fighter in tony thompson.
I'm glad you agree with me
However, who has Fury fought that poses as much of a threat as Thompson? Chisora? Johnson? Cunningham? None of those guys are as good as Thompson
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Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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imp
I do agree that fury and his promoter want nothing to do with tony the tiger.
Fury is good and he must be better than david price when you look at the opponents they have faced but he wants no part of an old dangerous fighter in tony thompson.
I'm glad you agree with me
However, who has Fury fought that poses as much of a threat as Thompson? Chisora? Johnson? Cunningham? None of those guys are as good as Thompson
To be fair these fighters are not that far off the level of Thompson.
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To be fair these fighters are not that far off the level of Thompson.
Yeah....yeah they are. Cunningham hasn't proven much at heavyweight and he wasn't all that powerful of a cruiserweight. Kevin Johnson never lets his hands go. Dereck Chisora is mentally unstable. Tony Thompson at least ACTS like a professional. He shows up to every fight, he's always in decent shape, he has only ever been stopped twice (both by Wladimir) which means he is competitive, and he's not afraid of taking seemingly dangerous fights and actually trying to win them.
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El Kabong
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Master
To be fair these fighters are not that far off the level of Thompson.
Yeah....yeah they are. Cunningham hasn't proven much at heavyweight and he wasn't all that powerful of a cruiserweight. Kevin Johnson never lets his hands go. Dereck Chisora is mentally unstable. Tony Thompson at least ACTS like a professional. He shows up to every fight, he's always in decent shape, he has only ever been stopped twice (both by Wladimir) which means he is competitive, and he's not afraid of taking seemingly dangerous fights and actually trying to win them.
I think Fury beats him.
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Master
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El Kabong
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Master
To be fair these fighters are not that far off the level of Thompson.
Yeah....yeah they are. Cunningham hasn't proven much at heavyweight and he wasn't all that powerful of a cruiserweight. Kevin Johnson never lets his hands go. Dereck Chisora is mentally unstable. Tony Thompson at least ACTS like a professional. He shows up to every fight, he's always in decent shape, he has only ever been stopped twice (both by Wladimir) which means he is competitive, and he's not afraid of taking seemingly dangerous fights and actually trying to win them.
I think Fury beats him.
Fucking hell! After his last showing against Pulev? Who who want to watch Thompson?
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Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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ross
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Fenster
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ross
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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bzkfn
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Originally Posted by
erics44
i dont understand
maloney (prices promoter) didnt want the fight yet it was fury who relinquished the belts so price could fight somebody else for them?
or are we talking about something else?
Yes @
erics44 that's what we're talking about. Apparently that's what happened. Price was so scared of Fury, that Tyson vacated to allow Price to win both belts at first try and avoid a humilating defeat at the hands of his fearsome rival. He's actually avoiding Wlad for the same reason.
If Fury is one thing, it is compassionate.
in all honesty,
id like to hear the explanation for the above but in my opinion, at the time, i felt fury was right not to fight price because that fight could have been built into a monster a little later down the line
obviously it didnt work out that way, and now it looks like if fury could have lasted a few rounds against price he could have pulled off a win which would have been massive for him, so maybe he should have taken it
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...o-maloney.html
Peter Fury is certain that the fight will sell 80,000 tickets and can't believe Price turned down £125,000 ;D Genius.
Basically they ducked Price because they would have lost the purse bids. They didn't want to end up on BoxNation (the irony) because they have Channel 5.
Well that worked out well.
Tyson went on to sign up for a pay per view event and when he beats Chisora again he will be in line for a title shot. David is where he is and wont go much further than where he was.
BoxNation was too small a platform for Fury when the Price fight was available but a couple of years later he signs a deal with the very same channel and is playing second fiddle to a man he's already beat. A man that he has to beat again to get in a position for a possible "world" title fight.
Seems like team Fury missed a trick by dodging Price. I mean 80,000 people will get a ridiculous amount of publicity in the boxing world wherever you're from.
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Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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erics44
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
bzkfn
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Originally Posted by
erics44
i dont understand
maloney (prices promoter) didnt want the fight yet it was fury who relinquished the belts so price could fight somebody else for them?
or are we talking about something else?
Yes @
erics44 that's what we're talking about. Apparently that's what happened. Price was so scared of Fury, that Tyson vacated to allow Price to win both belts at first try and avoid a humilating defeat at the hands of his fearsome rival. He's actually avoiding Wlad for the same reason.
If Fury is one thing, it is compassionate.
in all honesty, id like to hear the explanation for the above but in my opinion, at the time,
i felt fury was right not to fight price because that fight could have been built into a monster a little later down the line
obviously it didnt work out that way, and now it looks like if fury could have lasted a few rounds against price he could have pulled off a win which would have been massive for him, so maybe he should have taken it
How many fights can you name where that actually worked out? It's the most laughable comment in British boxing - "wait until they have "world" titles" or "wait until they get a bit bigger"
maybe maybe not
get me some statistics
Err... the onus is on you mate. Name the fights between British prospects that were successfully "built into monsters down the line"
If it was so common you'd be able to name dozens off the top of your head. It's just shit that promoters say when they're trying to protect their investment.
apart from fury price I can only remember ones that have, its you that saying it doesn't happen so its up to you to prove it
Well I'd appreciate it if you named all the ones you remember. It would be a big help for me. Thanks.
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Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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ross
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Master
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El Kabong
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Master
To be fair these fighters are not that far off the level of Thompson.
Yeah....yeah they are. Cunningham hasn't proven much at heavyweight and he wasn't all that powerful of a cruiserweight. Kevin Johnson never lets his hands go. Dereck Chisora is mentally unstable. Tony Thompson at least ACTS like a professional. He shows up to every fight, he's always in decent shape, he has only ever been stopped twice (both by Wladimir) which means he is competitive, and he's not afraid of taking seemingly dangerous fights and actually trying to win them.
I think Fury beats him.
Fucking hell! After his last showing against Pulev? Who who want to watch Thompson?
It's not about "who wants to see him" it's more on merit.
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Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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El Kabong
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ross
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Master
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El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Master
To be fair these fighters are not that far off the level of Thompson.
Yeah....yeah they are. Cunningham hasn't proven much at heavyweight and he wasn't all that powerful of a cruiserweight. Kevin Johnson never lets his hands go. Dereck Chisora is mentally unstable. Tony Thompson at least ACTS like a professional. He shows up to every fight, he's always in decent shape, he has only ever been stopped twice (both by Wladimir) which means he is competitive, and he's not afraid of taking seemingly dangerous fights and actually trying to win them.
I think Fury beats him.
Fucking hell! After his last showing against Pulev? Who who want to watch Thompson?
It's not about "who wants to see him" it's more on merit.
Its not merit that pays the fighters.
People pay tickets to see a fight. Not someone pick up cash.
An Adamek or Arreola would offer a name and a scrap. So will Chisora.
I dont think Thompson was in good shape for Price, I think he just hoped to do well enough and because Price is so shite, he struck gold! He didnt make much of an effort against Pulev and it would be the same against Fury.
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Re: Hughie. Ready for Price?
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Fenster
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erics44
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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bzkfn
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Originally Posted by
erics44
i dont understand
maloney (prices promoter) didnt want the fight yet it was fury who relinquished the belts so price could fight somebody else for them?
or are we talking about something else?
Yes @
erics44 that's what we're talking about. Apparently that's what happened. Price was so scared of Fury, that Tyson vacated to allow Price to win both belts at first try and avoid a humilating defeat at the hands of his fearsome rival. He's actually avoiding Wlad for the same reason.
If Fury is one thing, it is compassionate.
in all honesty, id like to hear the explanation for the above but in my opinion, at the time,
i felt fury was right not to fight price because that fight could have been built into a monster a little later down the line
obviously it didnt work out that way, and now it looks like if fury could have lasted a few rounds against price he could have pulled off a win which would have been massive for him, so maybe he should have taken it
How many fights can you name where that actually worked out? It's the most laughable comment in British boxing - "wait until they have "world" titles" or "wait until they get a bit bigger"
maybe maybe not
get me some statistics
Err... the onus is on you mate. Name the fights between British prospects that were successfully "built into monsters down the line"
If it was so common you'd be able to name dozens off the top of your head. It's just shit that promoters say when they're trying to protect their investment.
apart from fury price I can only remember ones that have, its you that saying it doesn't happen so its up to you to prove it
Well I'd appreciate it if you named all the ones you remember. It would be a big help for me. Thanks.
but as you well know if you start something then you should really do a proper job
so as you brought up the need for examples then as soon as you give me the examples of all of these times promoters have just said this shit and it hasnt happened then ill start giving you examples of when it has
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but as you well know if you start something then you should really do a proper job
so as you brought up the need for examples then as soon as you give me the examples of all of these times promoters have just said this shit and it hasnt happened then ill start giving you examples of when it has
:)
OK, off the top my bonce - Price-Fury, Quigg-Frampton, Hatton-Witter, Macklin/Barker/Murray/Lee. Do you remember the lightmiddles in the 90s? Roberts/Williams/Alexander/Farnell etc. All defending micky mouse titles instead of facing eachother, all arguing about who was the best, all got beat, lots of great fights lost.
Same old excuses - "wait until they get a bit bigger" "wait until they become "world" champion"... you wait and wait and wait and then get nothing.
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Fenster
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erics44
but as you well know if you start something then you should really do a proper job
so as you brought up the need for examples then as soon as you give me the examples of all of these times promoters have just said this shit and it hasnt happened then ill start giving you examples of when it has
:)
OK, off the top my bonce - Price-Fury, Quigg-Frampton, Hatton-Witter, Macklin/Barker/Murray/Lee. Do you remember the lightmiddles in the 90s? Roberts/Williams/Alexander/Farnell etc. All defending micky mouse titles instead of facing eachother, all arguing about who was the best, all got beat, lots of great fights lost.
Same old excuses - "wait until they get a bit bigger" "wait until they become "world" champion"... you wait and wait and wait and then get nothing.
i dont agree with all that
quigg frampton hasnt happened because of more of a promoters thing, neither really wanted it, each was too much of a risk than the other, perhaps wait till it gets bigger has been mentioned but never the real reason
hatton witter didnt happen because witter was a step back for hatton, i dont remember anyone mentioning wait till it gets bigger
the middleweights of recently all had their own paths, i dont remember 2 of them being at the same stage at the same time to warrent a fight, was the wait till it gets bigger thing ever mentioned, perhaps they would have fought each other had one of them won a world title, but even when one of them did there was a bigger fight, perhaps now is the best time, and perhaps if someone whould have made some sort or tourny a year or so back that would have been best for all their careers
my memory of the light middles is scetchy
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erics44
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Fenster
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erics44
but as you well know if you start something then you should really do a proper job
so as you brought up the need for examples then as soon as you give me the examples of all of these times promoters have just said this shit and it hasnt happened then ill start giving you examples of when it has
:)
OK, off the top my bonce - Price-Fury, Quigg-Frampton, Hatton-Witter, Macklin/Barker/Murray/Lee. Do you remember the lightmiddles in the 90s? Roberts/Williams/Alexander/Farnell etc. All defending micky mouse titles instead of facing eachother, all arguing about who was the best, all got beat, lots of great fights lost.
Same old excuses - "wait until they get a bit bigger" "wait until they become "world" champion"... you wait and wait and wait and then get nothing.
i dont agree with all that
quigg frampton hasnt happened because of more of a promoters thing, neither really wanted it, each was too much of a risk than the other, perhaps wait till it gets bigger has been mentioned but never the real reason
hatton witter didnt happen because witter was a step back for hatton, i dont remember anyone mentioning wait till it gets bigger
the middleweights of recently all had their own paths, i dont remember 2 of them being at the same stage at the same time to warrent a fight, was the wait till it gets bigger thing ever mentioned, perhaps they would have fought each other had one of them won a world title, but even when one of them did there was a bigger fight, perhaps now is the best time, and perhaps if someone whould have made some sort or tourny a year or so back that would have been best for all their careers
my memory of the light middles is scetchy
Hatton-Witter was a red hot British title fight back around 2000, they even had the same promoter, it didn't happen, then later Hatton became THE legit world champ and said he wont fight Witter unless he proves himself world-class, Witter won the WBC title, Hatton said that's not good enough I'm not giving him a payday... blah, blah, blah. It never happened.
Quigg-Frampton and Fury-Price are further away than they've ever been. Macklin-Barker were actually scheduled to fight for the British title. It got called off and never happened again.
The point is - waiting for fights to become bigger only works in theory. The more you fight the more chance of losing, things go wrong, you end up on different paths.
That's why you can't name a fight between prospects that was later "built into a monster." ;)
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erics44
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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erics44
but as you well know if you start something then you should really do a proper job
so as you brought up the need for examples then as soon as you give me the examples of all of these times promoters have just said this shit and it hasnt happened then ill start giving you examples of when it has
:)
OK, off the top my bonce - Price-Fury, Quigg-Frampton, Hatton-Witter, Macklin/Barker/Murray/Lee. Do you remember the lightmiddles in the 90s? Roberts/Williams/Alexander/Farnell etc. All defending micky mouse titles instead of facing eachother, all arguing about who was the best, all got beat, lots of great fights lost.
Same old excuses - "wait until they get a bit bigger" "wait until they become "world" champion"... you wait and wait and wait and then get nothing.
i dont agree with all that
quigg frampton hasnt happened because of more of a promoters thing, neither really wanted it, each was too much of a risk than the other, perhaps wait till it gets bigger has been mentioned but never the real reason
hatton witter didnt happen because witter was a step back for hatton, i dont remember anyone mentioning wait till it gets bigger
the middleweights of recently all had their own paths, i dont remember 2 of them being at the same stage at the same time to warrent a fight, was the wait till it gets bigger thing ever mentioned, perhaps they would have fought each other had one of them won a world title, but even when one of them did there was a bigger fight, perhaps now is the best time, and perhaps if someone whould have made some sort or tourny a year or so back that would have been best for all their careers
my memory of the light middles is scetchy
Hatton-Witter was a red hot British title fight back around 2000, they even had the same promoter, it didn't happen, then later Hatton became THE legit world champ and said he wont fight Witter unless he proves himself world-class, Witter won the WBC title, Hatton said that's not good enough I'm not giving him a payday... blah, blah, blah. It never happened.
Quigg-Frampton and Fury-Price are further away than they've ever been. Macklin-Barker were actually scheduled to fight for the British title. It got called off and never happened again.
The point is - waiting for fights to become bigger only works in theory. The more you fight the more chance of losing, things go wrong, you end up on different paths.
That's why you can't name a fight between prospects that was later "built into a monster." ;)
yeah but hatton witter didnt not happen because they were waiting for the fight to become bigger
neither did quigg frampton, there were/are/have been better/preferable avenues for both, it seemed in the earlier days quigg wanted it but frampton didnt
fury/price should have happened as its looking like we will now never see it
degale/groves would have been daft to rematch immediately
but the only one we have come up with that avoided each other for the reason of being made into a monster is price/fury which doesnt count coz thats what the thread is about
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Its not merit that pays the fighters.
People pay tickets to see a fight. Not someone pick up cash.
An Adamek or Arreola would offer a name and a scrap. So will Chisora.
I dont think Thompson was in good shape for Price, I think he just hoped to do well enough and because Price is so shite, he struck gold! He didnt make much of an effort against Pulev and it would be the same against Fury.
Yeah because Fury is such a polished boxer :rolleyes:
ADAMEK?!?! Fury is 6'9 and you want him to fight ANOTHER cruiserweight?!?!? Why bother? Fighting Thompson might actually prepare him for a fight vs Wlad but if Fury doesn't want that then he can go ahead and do the Butterbean route....that's just about as much skill as he has anyway
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ross
Its not merit that pays the fighters.
People pay tickets to see a fight. Not someone pick up cash.
An Adamek or Arreola would offer a name and a scrap. So will Chisora.
I dont think Thompson was in good shape for Price, I think he just hoped to do well enough and because Price is so shite, he struck gold! He didnt make much of an effort against Pulev and it would be the same against Fury.
Yeah because Fury is such a polished boxer :rolleyes:
ADAMEK?!?! Fury is 6'9 and you want him to fight ANOTHER cruiserweight?!?!? Why bother? Fighting Thompson might actually prepare him for a fight vs Wlad but if Fury doesn't want that then he can go ahead and do the Butterbean route....that's just about as much skill as he has anyway
You are stupid.
Try dismissing Adamek as an opponent when im pretty sure, you yourself have put him in the top five of the world recently;D
He beat Arreola who is challenging for the vacant title. Vitali used him as an opponent;D
:rolleyes:
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Hey if you want your fighter to keep fighting the small heavyweights go right ahead...that's Fury's M.O. right? Fight the small guys, stay away from the true heavyweights
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Hey if you want your fighter to keep fighting the small heavyweights go right ahead...that's Fury's M.O. right? Fight the small guys, stay away from the true heavyweights
Everyone is a small heavyweight compared to Fury. :)
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Hey if you want your fighter to keep fighting the small heavyweights go right ahead...that's Fury's M.O. right? Fight the small guys, stay away from the true heavyweights
Compared to Tyson they are all small!
Im only regarding size here but even Abell was labelled small and hes 6,5" for fuck sakes!
Its funny all the criticisms Fury gets. Hes the most talked about heavy in the world but Wlad doesnt call his name! Hes happy fighting retired cruiserweights like Mormeck;)
Im confident and content that when Fury gets his shot he will shut a lot of silly people up. Some have softened their view on him like Vendettos and Smashup. Eventually you will all grow to respect him if not be amused by him and anticipate his fights. In fact, right now, is there a more talked about fighter in here?
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but as you well know if you start something then you should really do a proper job
so as you brought up the need for examples then as soon as you give me the examples of all of these times promoters have just said this shit and it hasnt happened then ill start giving you examples of when it has
:)
OK, off the top my bonce - Price-Fury, Quigg-Frampton, Hatton-Witter, Macklin/Barker/Murray/Lee. Do you remember the lightmiddles in the 90s? Roberts/Williams/Alexander/Farnell etc. All defending micky mouse titles instead of facing eachother, all arguing about who was the best, all got beat, lots of great fights lost.
Same old excuses - "wait until they get a bit bigger" "wait until they become "world" champion"... you wait and wait and wait and then get nothing.
i dont agree with all that
quigg frampton hasnt happened because of more of a promoters thing, neither really wanted it, each was too much of a risk than the other, perhaps wait till it gets bigger has been mentioned but never the real reason
hatton witter didnt happen because witter was a step back for hatton, i dont remember anyone mentioning wait till it gets bigger
the middleweights of recently all had their own paths, i dont remember 2 of them being at the same stage at the same time to warrent a fight, was the wait till it gets bigger thing ever mentioned, perhaps they would have fought each other had one of them won a world title, but even when one of them did there was a bigger fight, perhaps now is the best time, and perhaps if someone whould have made some sort or tourny a year or so back that would have been best for all their careers
my memory of the light middles is scetchy
Hatton-Witter was a red hot British title fight back around 2000, they even had the same promoter, it didn't happen, then later Hatton became THE legit world champ and said he wont fight Witter unless he proves himself world-class, Witter won the WBC title, Hatton said that's not good enough I'm not giving him a payday... blah, blah, blah. It never happened.
Quigg-Frampton and Fury-Price are further away than they've ever been. Macklin-Barker were actually scheduled to fight for the British title. It got called off and never happened again.
The point is - waiting for fights to become bigger only works in theory. The more you fight the more chance of losing, things go wrong, you end up on different paths.
That's why you can't name a fight between prospects that was later "built into a monster." ;)
yeah but hatton witter didnt not happen because they were waiting for the fight to become bigger
neither did quigg frampton, there were/are/have been better/preferable avenues for both, it seemed in the earlier days quigg wanted it but frampton didnt
fury/price should have happened as its looking like we will now never see it
degale/groves would have been daft to rematch immediately
but the only one we have come up with that avoided each other for the reason of being made into a monster is price/fury which doesnt count coz thats what the thread is about
OK, just remember next time you hear a promoter/manager/fighter say "wait until they're a bit bigger" or "wait until they have "world" titles," it's a virtual cert you'll never see the fight. And you'll soon realise that cunt Fenster was right. :)
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ross
Its not merit that pays the fighters.
People pay tickets to see a fight. Not someone pick up cash.
An Adamek or Arreola would offer a name and a scrap. So will Chisora.
I dont think Thompson was in good shape for Price, I think he just hoped to do well enough and because Price is so shite, he struck gold! He didnt make much of an effort against Pulev and it would be the same against Fury.
Yeah because Fury is such a polished boxer :rolleyes:
ADAMEK?!?! Fury is 6'9 and you want him to fight ANOTHER cruiserweight?!?!? Why bother? Fighting Thompson might actually prepare him for a fight vs Wlad but if Fury doesn't want that then he can go ahead and do the Butterbean route....that's just about as much skill as he has anyway
Im replying to this again because of the stupid contradiction.
You rate Adamek in the top 5. Iv seen you post it before.
You would believe that Adamek v Stiverne, Arreola, Haye, Pulev, Wilder etc would at least be a pretty even match up but you think its ridiculous to suggest him as an opponent for Tyson Fury?
Does this mean you think Fury is head and shoulders above his contemporaries?
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OK, just remember next time you hear a promoter/manager/fighter say "wait until they're a bit bigger" or "wait until they have "world" titles," it's a virtual cert you'll never see the fight. And you'll soon realise that cunt Fenster was right. :)
im gonna forget
to be honest, it would take some bottle to delay a fight that would bring in a bag of money purely on the basis that of they fought a bit later they would get more :)
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Im replying to this again because of the stupid contradiction.
You rate Adamek in the top 5. Iv seen you post it before.
You would believe that Adamek v Stiverne, Arreola, Haye, Pulev, Wilder etc would at least be a pretty even match up but you think its ridiculous to suggest him as an opponent for Tyson Fury?
Does this mean you think Fury is head and shoulders above his contemporaries?
Adamek is a good boxer, I don't deny that, but Tyson Fury is 6'9. Wladimir Klitschko who holds the belts Tyson supposedly wants is 6'6. If Tyson wants to fight the likes of Steve Cunningham and Tomaz Adamek, fine but don't act like he's preparing himself for a title challenge because he isn't.
Stiverne is short, but his reach makes him a regular heavyweight, plus he's never fought at 175 or cruiserweight.
Arreola is 6'3, shown good pop at heavyweight despite fighting at lower weight classes as an amateur.
David Haye 6'3 carried power to heavyweight, won a title at heavyweight, what more do you want from him? He's only ever been beaten by 1 heavyweight and that's Wlad, no shame in that.
Pulev 6'4 is undefeated, not the biggest puncher but he's a good boxer and he's fought and beaten Tony Thompson which isn't an easy thing to do.
Deontay Wilder is 6'7 has won every single fight by KO before the 5th round, has a huge reach, and yeah he would be EXTREMELY dangerous for Tyson Fury to fight.
Adamek has decent wins as a heavyweight but he's only 6'0-6'1 at most. Sure "compared to Fury they're all small" but there are guys who are TRUE heavyweight boxers, Adamek is not one of those guys. I think Tyson Fury would be better served fighting a real heavyweight with some skill....but if you are ok with Fury not pushing himself to be the best then fine
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El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
ross
Its not merit that pays the fighters.
People pay tickets to see a fight. Not someone pick up cash.
An Adamek or Arreola would offer a name and a scrap. So will Chisora.
I dont think Thompson was in good shape for Price, I think he just hoped to do well enough and because Price is so shite, he struck gold! He didnt make much of an effort against Pulev and it would be the same against Fury.
Yeah because Fury is such a polished boxer :rolleyes:
ADAMEK?!?! Fury is 6'9 and you want him to fight ANOTHER cruiserweight?!?!? Why bother? Fighting Thompson might actually prepare him for a fight vs Wlad but if Fury doesn't want that then he can go ahead and do the Butterbean route....that's just about as much skill as he has anyway
You are stupid.
Try dismissing Adamek as an opponent when im pretty sure, you yourself have put him in the top five of the world recently;D
He beat Arreola who is challenging for the vacant title. Vitali used him as an opponent;D
:rolleyes:
Yes but Adamek is clearly past it. Ever since Vitali battered him he hasnt been the same. Hes looked shit against Cunningham and Chambers since and wont be surprised to see Glazkov beat him.
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Hughie Fury will be the youngest HW champion in history , beating Mike Tyson's record , well that according to Peter Fury what do you guys think ? or is it only me who see him as a smooth boxing , light puncher , who may go to British level but no further ?
He had better hurry to beat the record , someone world class next perhaps?
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I think thats a bit harsh. Hes 6'6 and 19. He could still grow more and will certainly put on more weight and muscle. Hes been a pro a year and has had 13 fights and another fight lined up at the start of next month. I think he has very good boxing skills and is a good prospect. Id like to see him step up in competition against the likes of Richard Towers or someone like that.
