Hughie. Ready for Price?

[erics44]

i dont understand

maloney (prices promoter) didnt want the fight yet it was fury who relinquished the belts so price could fight somebody else for them?

or are we talking about something else?

Yes @erics44 that's what we're talking about. Apparently that's what happened. Price was so scared of Fury, that Tyson vacated to allow Price to win both belts at first try and avoid a humilating defeat at the hands of his fearsome rival. He's actually avoiding Wlad for the same reason.

If Fury is one thing, it is compassionate.

in all honesty, id like to hear the explanation for the above but in my opinion, at the time, i felt fury was right not to fight price because that fight could have been built into a monster a little later down the line

obviously it didnt work out that way, and now it looks like if fury could have lasted a few rounds against price he could have pulled off a win which would have been massive for him, so maybe he should have taken it

How many fights can you name where that actually worked out? It's the most laughable comment in British boxing - "wait until they have "world" titles" or "wait until they get a bit bigger"

maybe maybe not

get me some statistics

Err... the onus is on you mate. Name the fights between British prospects that were successfully "built into monsters down the line"

If it was so common you'd be able to name dozens off the top of your head. It's just shit that promoters say when they're trying to protect their investment.

apart from fury price I can only remember ones that have, its you that saying it doesn't happen so its up to you to prove it

Well I'd appreciate it if you named all the ones you remember. It would be a big help for me. Thanks.

but as you well know if you start something then you should really do a proper job

so as you brought up the need for examples then as soon as you give me the examples of all of these times promoters have just said this shit and it hasnt happened then ill start giving you examples of when it has

[Fenster]

but as you well know if you start something then you should really do a proper job

so as you brought up the need for examples then as soon as you give me the examples of all of these times promoters have just said this shit and it hasnt happened then ill start giving you examples of when it has

OK, off the top my bonce - Price-Fury, Quigg-Frampton, Hatton-Witter, Macklin/Barker/Murray/Lee. Do you remember the lightmiddles in the 90s? Roberts/Williams/Alexander/Farnell etc. All defending micky mouse titles instead of facing eachother, all arguing about who was the best, all got beat, lots of great fights lost.

Same old excuses - "wait until they get a bit bigger" "wait until they become "world" champion"... you wait and wait and wait and then get nothing.

[erics44]

but as you well know if you start something then you should really do a proper job

so as you brought up the need for examples then as soon as you give me the examples of all of these times promoters have just said this shit and it hasnt happened then ill start giving you examples of when it has

OK, off the top my bonce - Price-Fury, Quigg-Frampton, Hatton-Witter, Macklin/Barker/Murray/Lee. Do you remember the lightmiddles in the 90s? Roberts/Williams/Alexander/Farnell etc. All defending micky mouse titles instead of facing eachother, all arguing about who was the best, all got beat, lots of great fights lost.

Same old excuses - "wait until they get a bit bigger" "wait until they become "world" champion"... you wait and wait and wait and then get nothing.

i dont agree with all that

quigg frampton hasnt happened because of more of a promoters thing, neither really wanted it, each was too much of a risk than the other, perhaps wait till it gets bigger has been mentioned but never the real reason

hatton witter didnt happen because witter was a step back for hatton, i dont remember anyone mentioning wait till it gets bigger

the middleweights of recently all had their own paths, i dont remember 2 of them being at the same stage at the same time to warrent a fight, was the wait till it gets bigger thing ever mentioned, perhaps they would have fought each other had one of them won a world title, but even when one of them did there was a bigger fight, perhaps now is the best time, and perhaps if someone whould have made some sort or tourny a year or so back that would have been best for all their careers

my memory of the light middles is scetchy

[Fenster]

but as you well know if you start something then you should really do a proper job

so as you brought up the need for examples then as soon as you give me the examples of all of these times promoters have just said this shit and it hasnt happened then ill start giving you examples of when it has

OK, off the top my bonce - Price-Fury, Quigg-Frampton, Hatton-Witter, Macklin/Barker/Murray/Lee. Do you remember the lightmiddles in the 90s? Roberts/Williams/Alexander/Farnell etc. All defending micky mouse titles instead of facing eachother, all arguing about who was the best, all got beat, lots of great fights lost.

Same old excuses - "wait until they get a bit bigger" "wait until they become "world" champion"... you wait and wait and wait and then get nothing.

i dont agree with all that

quigg frampton hasnt happened because of more of a promoters thing, neither really wanted it, each was too much of a risk than the other, perhaps wait till it gets bigger has been mentioned but never the real reason

hatton witter didnt happen because witter was a step back for hatton, i dont remember anyone mentioning wait till it gets bigger

the middleweights of recently all had their own paths, i dont remember 2 of them being at the same stage at the same time to warrent a fight, was the wait till it gets bigger thing ever mentioned, perhaps they would have fought each other had one of them won a world title, but even when one of them did there was a bigger fight, perhaps now is the best time, and perhaps if someone whould have made some sort or tourny a year or so back that would have been best for all their careers

my memory of the light middles is scetchy

Hatton-Witter was a red hot British title fight back around 2000, they even had the same promoter, it didn't happen, then later Hatton became THE legit world champ and said he wont fight Witter unless he proves himself world-class, Witter won the WBC title, Hatton said that's not good enough I'm not giving him a payday... blah, blah, blah. It never happened.

Quigg-Frampton and Fury-Price are further away than they've ever been. Macklin-Barker were actually scheduled to fight for the British title. It got called off and never happened again.

The point is - waiting for fights to become bigger only works in theory. The more you fight the more chance of losing, things go wrong, you end up on different paths.

That's why you can't name a fight between prospects that was later "built into a monster."

[erics44]

but as you well know if you start something then you should really do a proper job

so as you brought up the need for examples then as soon as you give me the examples of all of these times promoters have just said this shit and it hasnt happened then ill start giving you examples of when it has

OK, off the top my bonce - Price-Fury, Quigg-Frampton, Hatton-Witter, Macklin/Barker/Murray/Lee. Do you remember the lightmiddles in the 90s? Roberts/Williams/Alexander/Farnell etc. All defending micky mouse titles instead of facing eachother, all arguing about who was the best, all got beat, lots of great fights lost.

Same old excuses - "wait until they get a bit bigger" "wait until they become "world" champion"... you wait and wait and wait and then get nothing.

i dont agree with all that

quigg frampton hasnt happened because of more of a promoters thing, neither really wanted it, each was too much of a risk than the other, perhaps wait till it gets bigger has been mentioned but never the real reason

hatton witter didnt happen because witter was a step back for hatton, i dont remember anyone mentioning wait till it gets bigger

the middleweights of recently all had their own paths, i dont remember 2 of them being at the same stage at the same time to warrent a fight, was the wait till it gets bigger thing ever mentioned, perhaps they would have fought each other had one of them won a world title, but even when one of them did there was a bigger fight, perhaps now is the best time, and perhaps if someone whould have made some sort or tourny a year or so back that would have been best for all their careers

my memory of the light middles is scetchy

Hatton-Witter was a red hot British title fight back around 2000, they even had the same promoter, it didn't happen, then later Hatton became THE legit world champ and said he wont fight Witter unless he proves himself world-class, Witter won the WBC title, Hatton said that's not good enough I'm not giving him a payday... blah, blah, blah. It never happened.

Quigg-Frampton and Fury-Price are further away than they've ever been. Macklin-Barker were actually scheduled to fight for the British title. It got called off and never happened again.

The point is - waiting for fights to become bigger only works in theory. The more you fight the more chance of losing, things go wrong, you end up on different paths.

That's why you can't name a fight between prospects that was later "built into a monster."

yeah but hatton witter didnt not happen because they were waiting for the fight to become bigger

neither did quigg frampton, there were/are/have been better/preferable avenues for both, it seemed in the earlier days quigg wanted it but frampton didnt

fury/price should have happened as its looking like we will now never see it

degale/groves would have been daft to rematch immediately

but the only one we have come up with that avoided each other for the reason of being made into a monster is price/fury which doesnt count coz thats what the thread is about

[Fenster]

but as you well know if you start something then you should really do a proper job

so as you brought up the need for examples then as soon as you give me the examples of all of these times promoters have just said this shit and it hasnt happened then ill start giving you examples of when it has

OK, off the top my bonce - Price-Fury, Quigg-Frampton, Hatton-Witter, Macklin/Barker/Murray/Lee. Do you remember the lightmiddles in the 90s? Roberts/Williams/Alexander/Farnell etc. All defending micky mouse titles instead of facing eachother, all arguing about who was the best, all got beat, lots of great fights lost.

Same old excuses - "wait until they get a bit bigger" "wait until they become "world" champion"... you wait and wait and wait and then get nothing.

i dont agree with all that

quigg frampton hasnt happened because of more of a promoters thing, neither really wanted it, each was too much of a risk than the other, perhaps wait till it gets bigger has been mentioned but never the real reason

hatton witter didnt happen because witter was a step back for hatton, i dont remember anyone mentioning wait till it gets bigger

the middleweights of recently all had their own paths, i dont remember 2 of them being at the same stage at the same time to warrent a fight, was the wait till it gets bigger thing ever mentioned, perhaps they would have fought each other had one of them won a world title, but even when one of them did there was a bigger fight, perhaps now is the best time, and perhaps if someone whould have made some sort or tourny a year or so back that would have been best for all their careers

my memory of the light middles is scetchy

Hatton-Witter was a red hot British title fight back around 2000, they even had the same promoter, it didn't happen, then later Hatton became THE legit world champ and said he wont fight Witter unless he proves himself world-class, Witter won the WBC title, Hatton said that's not good enough I'm not giving him a payday... blah, blah, blah. It never happened.

Quigg-Frampton and Fury-Price are further away than they've ever been. Macklin-Barker were actually scheduled to fight for the British title. It got called off and never happened again.

The point is - waiting for fights to become bigger only works in theory. The more you fight the more chance of losing, things go wrong, you end up on different paths.

That's why you can't name a fight between prospects that was later "built into a monster."

yeah but hatton witter didnt not happen because they were waiting for the fight to become bigger

neither did quigg frampton, there were/are/have been better/preferable avenues for both, it seemed in the earlier days quigg wanted it but frampton didnt

fury/price should have happened as its looking like we will now never see it

degale/groves would have been daft to rematch immediately

but the only one we have come up with that avoided each other for the reason of being made into a monster is price/fury which doesnt count coz thats what the thread is about

OK, just remember next time you hear a promoter/manager/fighter say "wait until they're a bit bigger" or "wait until they have "world" titles," it's a virtual cert you'll never see the fight. And you'll soon realise that cunt Fenster was right.

[erics44]

OK, just remember next time you hear a promoter/manager/fighter say "wait until they're a bit bigger" or "wait until they have "world" titles," it's a virtual cert you'll never see the fight. And you'll soon realise that cunt Fenster was right.

im gonna forget

to be honest, it would take some bottle to delay a fight that would bring in a bag of money purely on the basis that of they fought a bit later they would get more