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Thanksgiving?!?!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
But Manny Pacquiao is not like any other Top Rank fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by impHe has also never fought a top rank fighter since leaving so there are other fighters that missed that chance..it wasnt a happy exit from top rank.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner
Theres alot that we dont know about this and it all comes back to bob arum.
Floyd Mayweather should consider the following if he is to take that fight.
Pros:
1. He will be against someone who many consider as being inferior to him, someone he can easily beat, someone who was knocked out by an opponent who he manhandled.
2. He will earn an enormous amount of money, something that he probably will need to fight 3 opponents to earn.
3. He will shut up his critics.
4. He will improve his otherwise already impressive legacy and be considered one of the top ATG.
Con:
1. He will have to deal and share profit with Bob Arum.
Is it then worth for Floyd not to fight Manny and be haunted the rest of his life for allegedly ducking him? Or is there some other Con that I'm not aware of?
I think he hates Bob Arum that much that he is willing not to take the fight.
Anybody who hates Floyd enough to think he was ducking Manny or was at fault for not making the fight happen, will surely hate him enough to slam him even if he beats Manny now and say that Manny was washed up and Floyd waited for him to slip before fighting him.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner
True and True. :):)Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerAnybody who hates Floyd enough to think he was ducking Manny or was at fault for not making the fight happen, will surely hate him enough to slam him even if he beats Manny now and say that Manny was washed up and Floyd waited for him to slip before fighting him.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner
If I felt that I had been ripped off by my promoter for 10 years, and if I feel that that promoter is human garbage who takes advantage of all his fighters, and is complete a complete piece of shit who can be accused of being one of the biggest problems with the sport of boxing, and he still owes me millions of dollars that are still unpaid after 10 years, and if I'm making enough money on my own, then I wouldn't want to give him a penny ever again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Why is that so hard to understand?
That is a lot of hate mate. Let it go. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoIf I felt that I had been ripped off by my promoter for 10 years, and if I feel that that promoter is human garbage who takes advantage of all his fighters, and is complete a complete piece of shit who can be accused of being one of the biggest problems with the sport of boxing, and he still owes me millions of dollars that are still unpaid after 10 years, and if I'm making enough money on my own, then I wouldn't want to give him a penny ever again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Why is that so hard to understand?
HAHA... but seriously. I'd never give that fucker another penny.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoIf I felt that I had been ripped off by my promoter for 10 years, and if I feel that that promoter is human garbage who takes advantage of all his fighters, and is complete a complete piece of shit who can be accused of being one of the biggest problems with the sport of boxing, and he still owes me millions of dollars that are still unpaid after 10 years, and if I'm making enough money on my own, then I wouldn't want to give him a penny ever again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Why is that so hard to understand?
That is a lot of hate mate. Let it go. :)
Cutting off the nose to spite the faceQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoHAHA... but seriously. I'd never give that fucker another penny.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoIf I felt that I had been ripped off by my promoter for 10 years, and if I feel that that promoter is human garbage who takes advantage of all his fighters, and is complete a complete piece of shit who can be accused of being one of the biggest problems with the sport of boxing, and he still owes me millions of dollars that are still unpaid after 10 years, and if I'm making enough money on my own, then I wouldn't want to give him a penny ever again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Why is that so hard to understand?
That is a lot of hate mate. Let it go. :)
As impactful as you may think that cliche is I don't think it applies in this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterCutting off the nose to spite the faceQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoHAHA... but seriously. I'd never give that fucker another penny.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoIf I felt that I had been ripped off by my promoter for 10 years, and if I feel that that promoter is human garbage who takes advantage of all his fighters, and is complete a complete piece of shit who can be accused of being one of the biggest problems with the sport of boxing, and he still owes me millions of dollars that are still unpaid after 10 years, and if I'm making enough money on my own, then I wouldn't want to give him a penny ever again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Why is that so hard to understand?
That is a lot of hate mate. Let it go. :)
Since leaving Arum, Floyd has been recognized as the best fighter of his generation, has become the highest paid athlete in the world several years running, has maintained a perfect unbeaten record, and has accomplished this without suffering so much as 2 knock downs in his entire career.
Floyd's face isn't being damaged by cutting Arum out of his life. If anything, he's demonstrating to other fighters that they don't have to be raped by crooked promoters and managers to succeed and be in control of their careers.
Floyd getting rid of Bob is more like ridding one's body of a cancer, and helping others to see that they can do the same.
I agree but for this one fight it may be.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoAs impactful as you may think that cliche is I don't think it applies in this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterCutting off the nose to spite the faceQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoHAHA... but seriously. I'd never give that fucker another penny.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoIf I felt that I had been ripped off by my promoter for 10 years, and if I feel that that promoter is human garbage who takes advantage of all his fighters, and is complete a complete piece of shit who can be accused of being one of the biggest problems with the sport of boxing, and he still owes me millions of dollars that are still unpaid after 10 years, and if I'm making enough money on my own, then I wouldn't want to give him a penny ever again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Why is that so hard to understand?
That is a lot of hate mate. Let it go. :)
Since leaving Arum, Floyd has been recognized as the best fighter of his generation, has become the highest paid athlete in the world several years running, has maintained a perfect unbeaten record, and has accomplished this without suffering so much as 2 knock downs in his entire career.
Floyd's face isn't being damaged by cutting Arum out of his life. If anything, he's demonstrating to other fighters that they don't have to be raped by crooked promoters and managers to succeed and be in control of their careers.
Floyd getting rid of Bob is more like ridding one's body of a cancer, and helping others to see that they can do the same.
People call Floyd a scumbag, when Pacquiao's no choir boy either.
He cheated on his wife, he's a fan of cockfighting, he has a gambling problem, he takes PEDs, and he fights people at catchweights.
And hes homophobicQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Id whoop him with my handbag.Quote:
Originally Posted by impAnd hes homophobicQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
But that argument will have less bite than the accusation of ducking and will make the accusers appear as not being credible. In that situation, the excuse will be coming from the Pac side. By not fighting Manny, the excuse is coming from Floyd's side. And who has believed in the excuses in this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerAnybody who hates Floyd enough to think he was ducking Manny or was at fault for not making the fight happen, will surely hate him enough to slam him even if he beats Manny now and say that Manny was washed up and Floyd waited for him to slip before fighting him.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCorner
From your response, it appears that that is the only excuse why Floyd doesn't want the fight ... that he hates Bob Arum that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Didn't Floyd agree to fight Manny the first time around years ago? Do you mean he didn't hate Bob that much then? Or is it that he did not really intend to fight Manny even then hence the numerous demands?
It'd make more sense to me if I was Floyd to take the fight and beat Manny to take Arums cash cow away and stop him from making money no? Instead he let Pac cash in on more paydays and making Arun more money ? Just a thought..Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerFrom your response, it appears that that is the only excuse why Floyd doesn't want the fight ... that he hates Bob Arum that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Didn't Floyd agree to fight Manny the first time around years ago? Do you mean he didn't hate Bob that much then? Or is it that he did not really intend to fight Manny even then hence the numerous demands?
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Originally Posted by impAnd hes homophobicQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Many people are homophobic, he is not from a country where being Gay is cool "America"
Also every thing y'all named we can replace cockfighting with woman beating and that would be a description of your Jesus boxer Floyd.
You Pactard's mental deficiencies never cease to amaze me! How dumb are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012It'd make more sense to me if I was Floyd to take the fight and beat Manny to take Arums cash cow away and stop him from making money no? Instead he let Pac cash in on more paydays and making Arun more money ? Just a thought..Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerFrom your response, it appears that that is the only excuse why Floyd doesn't want the fight ... that he hates Bob Arum that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Didn't Floyd agree to fight Manny the first time around years ago? Do you mean he didn't hate Bob that much then? Or is it that he did not really intend to fight Manny even then hence the numerous demands?
Actually the only reason Pac said he did not support same-sex marriage like Obama is because the bible instruct him not to. He explain this and has no issues with people being gay. Also in the Philippines many comedians are gay and are accepted. There is no gay issues in the Philippines but same-sex marriage will be a long shot because of the strong arm of the catholic church.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris6878Quote:
Originally Posted by impAnd hes homophobicQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Many people are homophobic, he is not from a country where being Gay is cool "America"
Also every thing y'all named we can replace cockfighting with woman beating and that would be a description of your Jesus boxer Floyd.
Good point on Floyd though. Women beater is the worst kind of men.
Theres nothing to say about a wife beater but my appreciation of floyds skills start and end in the ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainActually the only reason Pac said he did not support same-sex marriage like Obama is because the bible instruct him not to. He explain this and has no issues with people being gay. Also in the Philippines many comedians are gay and are accepted. There is no gay issues in the Philippines but same-sex marriage will be a long shot because of the strong arm of the catholic church.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris6878Quote:
Originally Posted by impAnd hes homophobicQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Many people are homophobic, he is not from a country where being Gay is cool "America"
Also every thing y'all named we can replace cockfighting with woman beating and that would be a description of your Jesus boxer Floyd.
Good point on Floyd though. Women beater is the worst kind of men.
Andre after he gets that Grim Reaper tattoo on his neck.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Amir Khan could beat him. Thurman would give him problems. GGG could be too strong for him. Lara could cause him problems. Outside those 4 its hard to see much else giving him problems.
We discredited your excuse as to why Floyd does not want to fight Manny and you resort to name calling. I didn't even say that Manny is going to win the fight. I believe that Floyd has the advantage in this fight. I just want them to fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoYou Pactard's mental deficiencies never cease to amaze me! How dumb are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012It'd make more sense to me if I was Floyd to take the fight and beat Manny to take Arums cash cow away and stop him from making money no? Instead he let Pac cash in on more paydays and making Arun more money ? Just a thought..Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerFrom your response, it appears that that is the only excuse why Floyd doesn't want the fight ... that he hates Bob Arum that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Didn't Floyd agree to fight Manny the first time around years ago? Do you mean he didn't hate Bob that much then? Or is it that he did not really intend to fight Manny even then hence the numerous demands?
Try again. Come up with another excuse as to why Floyd doesn't want to fight.
I agree with GGG and Lara but Khan and Thurman? No chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
You discredited my argument? How?Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerWe discredited your excuse as to why Floyd does not want to fight Manny and you resort to name calling. I didn't even say that Manny is going to win the fight. I believe that Floyd has the advantage in this fight. I just want them to fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoYou Pactard's mental deficiencies never cease to amaze me! How dumb are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012It'd make more sense to me if I was Floyd to take the fight and beat Manny to take Arums cash cow away and stop him from making money no? Instead he let Pac cash in on more paydays and making Arun more money ? Just a thought..Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerFrom your response, it appears that that is the only excuse why Floyd doesn't want the fight ... that he hates Bob Arum that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Didn't Floyd agree to fight Manny the first time around years ago? Do you mean he didn't hate Bob that much then? Or is it that he did not really intend to fight Manny even then hence the numerous demands?
Try again. Come up with another excuse as to why Floyd doesn't want to fight.
Obviously beating Pac won't "take Pac away from Arum", like you claim. Pacquiaos lost before, a handful of times and he's still with him. He got KTFO by JMM. He looked like he was dead. The guy sitting nearest ring side reached out because he thought Manny's head was gonna roll off his shoulders and land in his lap! (Maybe you missed that fight moron?)
How stupid you must be to think that ANOTHER loss is going to make a difference. You Pactards just type some made up shit and think it's the truth just like Manny believes all Bob's lies. You've found the perfect idol in Pacquiao.
You still have not answered the question. You were implying that Floyd does not want to fight Manny because he hates Bob Arum. Didn't Floyd agree to fight Manny before when Manny was already under Arum? So that excuse is discredited. So why doesn't Floyd want to fight Manny now when he is still at a huge advantage?Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Resorting to name calling and trying to discredit the poster does not compensate for your lack of a valid response. Try again.
I'm not a fan of Floyd the man, because he's shown himself to be a thug, a bully, a woman beater, ect.
When you look at virtuosos in any field, they are usually insufferable pricks behind the scenes. A lot of times the fire that makes certain people become masters at their art, also makes them not so great people personally. So I think you have to separate the man from the art.
Especially in boxing. There's a documentary on Sugar Ray Robinson out there that goes into how he was behind the scenes, and he was a nightmare. His own children were interviewed and talked about how Ray would beat the hell out of his wife, beat his kids, cheat on his wife, not spend time with his kids, ect. Went into how big of a prima donna he was, how he had a paid entourage following him everywhere (including a midget jester to make him laugh when he was feeling down). The guy was probably even worse than Floyd.
Lets not get carried away here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
I don't think that discredits my answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerYou still have not answered the question. You were implying that Floyd does not want to fight Manny because he hates Bob Arum. Didn't Floyd agree to fight Manny before when Manny was already under Arum? So that excuse is discredited. So why doesn't Floyd want to fight Manny now when he is still at a huge advantage?Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Resorting to name calling and trying to discredit the poster does not compensate for your lack of a valid response. Try again.
I'm going on what Floyd has stated in the past. He won't fight unless his conditions are met. His conditions were drug testing and no Bob Arum.
I've heard that being said for years. I don't know what else to tell you little Pactard.
Its true.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterLets not get carried away here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Sugar ray robinson was a c@nt..outside the ring.
Theres no excuse to lay your hand on a women and it makes me sick that men like this have to do this..they should follow ali"s behaviour outside the ring or even our current heavyweight champion from ukraine who seems like a great guy outside the ring.
Bottom line is that your both frustrated and both have valid reasons for this fight not taking place.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoI don't think that discredits my answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerYou still have not answered the question. You were implying that Floyd does not want to fight Manny because he hates Bob Arum. Didn't Floyd agree to fight Manny before when Manny was already under Arum? So that excuse is discredited. So why doesn't Floyd want to fight Manny now when he is still at a huge advantage?Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Resorting to name calling and trying to discredit the poster does not compensate for your lack of a valid response. Try again.
I'm going on what Floyd has stated in the past. He won't fight unless his conditions are met. His conditions were drug testing and no Bob Arum.
I've heard that being said for years. I don't know what else to tell you little Pactard.
If only we were a fly in the meeting to see exactly what was discussed but I have to side with floyd only because he did offer pac 40 million and wanted him to leave bob arum and make more money for both of the fighters..pac not only has bob arum and freddie roach telling him what to do but a rich manager called michael cuntz (kontz)
Might not come off .Quote:
Originally Posted by impBottom line is that your both frustrated and both have valid reasons for this fight not taking place.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoI don't think that discredits my answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerYou still have not answered the question. You were implying that Floyd does not want to fight Manny because he hates Bob Arum. Didn't Floyd agree to fight Manny before when Manny was already under Arum? So that excuse is discredited. So why doesn't Floyd want to fight Manny now when he is still at a huge advantage?Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Resorting to name calling and trying to discredit the poster does not compensate for your lack of a valid response. Try again.
I'm going on what Floyd has stated in the past. He won't fight unless his conditions are met. His conditions were drug testing and no Bob Arum.
I've heard that being said for years. I don't know what else to tell you little Pactard.
If only we were a fly in the meeting to see exactly what was discussed but I have to side with floyd only because he did offer pac 40 million and wanted him to leave bob arum and make more money for both of the fighters..pac not only has bob arum and freddie roach telling him what to do but a rich manager called michael cuntz (kontz)
A loss to either fighter would mean the end of alot of attention and adulation which adds to asses on future seats, a huge fan base loss. Many so called fight fans would are not actually real fight fans would run from either one of these big names. Its still a big a fight to them both. They've both got books to write and a load of collectors and fan boy hands to shake yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP01N8MSijM#t=225
Hey Pactards. This video is worth watching.
In case you don't know, this is the man that made your fighter the KO king that he used to be when he was full of PEDs.
He has some insight into why Pacquiao/Mayweather was never made.
Spoiler: it has nothing to do with Floyd.
I'm generally on Floyd's side, but he needs to get over the Bob Arum thing. Bob is a scumbag and it's understandable why Floyd hates him, but he needs to put that aside for the sake of boxing fans.
Not wanting to fight a guy who's juiced to the gills is understandable, but he needs to put that Arum thing aside. I'm pretty sure he will.
Why do you consider Bob a scumbag? The goal of business is to make a profit. Show me a successful businessman n I will show you someone who had to bend the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Do you feel Arum is as shady as King, or screwed over as many fighters as bad as Don did? Do you think Haymon is a nice man who is opposed to playing dirty? Not trying to make this contentious, just never viewed Arum as negatively as you...
Ruthless Rocco, you and Big D should get together, your minds were quite similarly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus