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Well, im pretty sure it was Silkyjoe who said he was. For PaddyPower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
The point is that Fury isn't keeping busy with any experienced tall fighters... Not whether or not he fought a few lanky, padded novices early in his career. :vd:
We're talking about whether he has proven he could hang with WLAD, not Audley bloody Harrison...
Whats Nascimentos rec outside of Brazil? Thats what his true rec is. As I stated before these guys are brought over to glam up prospects records. He wouldnt get into the top 20 of British heavyweights. Pretty sure Danny Williams would still beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWlad fought a guy who was 84-18 and in my mind woulkd be undoubtedly better then Nasciemento. Again this is where you reading of records makes you look like a fool. First of all Nasciemento is not an unknown quantity to the matchmaker. These guys are scouted and seen that they are not risks. No promoter is going to throw their guy in with fighters they havent seen before.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThats a dangerous fight for a rising fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBCreme de la creme... :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Its not a known quantity. An old name that everyone knows what they are going to get from. He was undefeated, no one knew who he was and is a puncher.
Again. Think like a manager. Putting undefeated, big, unknown punchers against your fighter is dangerous. Ask Warren about when he put Khan in with Prescott;)
Tyson fought Nasciemento in his 14th fight. Who did Wlad fight in his 14th fight and what was their record like? In fact, same goes for Stiverne and Wilder!
In general a domestic journeyman will be far better then the "unbeaten" foreign fighter. By foreing I mean eastern european or south american who has never won out of his home country. Most of these guys records are not reliable and some of their "pro" wins come from a fight in their own gym with no crowd and no certified ref or judges. These guys pose virtually no threat to the home fighter and the promoter can pay them less then the domestic journeymen. It also glams up his fighters resume to part time fans. Oh so and so just blasted out an undefeated fighter. It was used for Joshua in his first fight, for Price against unbeated Dallas when fighters like Skelton are actually more dangerous.
I do wonder how you got your job. This along with big punches beat weak chins;D
Furys 14th opponent was unbeaten in 13 fights with 10 knockouts. Is 6,5" and was 29
Jerry Halstead, Wlads 14th opponent on the other hand who you think is more dangerous had a record of 84,18,1 with 11 of his losses coming by KO!!! Is only 6,1"!! And was 34..... Previous to fighting Wlad he lost to a cruiser weight and was proper KO'd inside 1 round by Jeremy Williams! Thats half the time it took Wlad by the way!
Are you taking the piss!!?
Are you really a boxing odds compiler?
;D;D;D;D
Also, do you know what Stiverne was doing in his 14th fight? Coming back from being stopped..... Oh and Wilders opponent had 34 losses and in Wilders previous fight he was dragging himself off the floor against a complete nobody called Sconiers!
And if any of you fancy pricing up fights and laying me bets Ill gladly punt with you. Id be 1/25 that Id make money of anyone here over the course of the year if they are to price odds before the bookies go up :D
I just want to say I agree with you about South American and Mexican level boxers records not being equivalent but European level is the highest level prior to international, you have to admit that. Not trying to be anti-American for the fun of it, but everybody knows this is true, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
A cruiserweight dropped and stopped chisora in half the time it took fury to retire the used up version, what's your point? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by rossQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWlad fought a guy who was 84-18 and in my mind woulkd be undoubtedly better then Nasciemento. Again this is where you reading of records makes you look like a fool. First of all Nasciemento is not an unknown quantity to the matchmaker. These guys are scouted and seen that they are not risks. No promoter is going to throw their guy in with fighters they havent seen before.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThats a dangerous fight for a rising fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBCreme de la creme... :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Its not a known quantity. An old name that everyone knows what they are going to get from. He was undefeated, no one knew who he was and is a puncher.
Again. Think like a manager. Putting undefeated, big, unknown punchers against your fighter is dangerous. Ask Warren about when he put Khan in with Prescott;)
Tyson fought Nasciemento in his 14th fight. Who did Wlad fight in his 14th fight and what was their record like? In fact, same goes for Stiverne and Wilder!
In general a domestic journeyman will be far better then the "unbeaten" foreign fighter. By foreing I mean eastern european or south american who has never won out of his home country. Most of these guys records are not reliable and some of their "pro" wins come from a fight in their own gym with no crowd and no certified ref or judges. These guys pose virtually no threat to the home fighter and the promoter can pay them less then the domestic journeymen. It also glams up his fighters resume to part time fans. Oh so and so just blasted out an undefeated fighter. It was used for Joshua in his first fight, for Price against unbeated Dallas when fighters like Skelton are actually more dangerous.
I do wonder how you got your job. This along with big punches beat weak chins;D
Furys 14th opponent was unbeaten in 13 fights with 10 knockouts. Is 6,5" and was 29
Jerry Halstead, Wlads 14th opponent on the other hand who you think is more dangerous had a record of 84,18,1 with 11 of his losses coming by KO!!! Is only 6,1"!! And was 34..... Previous to fighting Wlad he lost to a cruiser weight and was proper KO'd inside 1 round by Jeremy Williams! Thats half the time it took Wlad by the way!
One of the few tall men Fury's fought was in experienced and beat up by a cruiserweight. What's your point?
David Haye as achieved infinitely more at world level in less fights than Fury has had, what's your point?
Remember what we said about applying the SAME standards to ALL fighters? ???
Im European. Eastern European level fighters that English promoters bring over have recs built up from gym fights. Its well known within the domestic circuit. For example Eubanks opponent Robert Swierzbinski from Poland had a rec of 13-2 when in fact hed struggle to beat any British middleweight that fights regularly on the circuit. He wouldnt be a ticket seller so even journeymen like Dan Blackwell (rec is currently 6-40) would probably beat him. Im not talking about European level fighters Im talking about the European fighters that promoters bring over to fight prospects for 1 or 2k. These guys are generally as bad as they get but there recs look nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerI just want to say I agree with you about South American and Mexican level boxers records not being equivalent but European level is the highest level prior to international, you have to admit that. Not trying to be anti-American for the fun of it, but everybody knows this is true, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
I'm not real clear on your distinction here. But I think I understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIm European. Eastern European level fighters that English promoters bring over have recs built up from gym fights. Its well known within the domestic circuit. For example Eubanks opponent Robert Swierzbinski from Poland had a rec of 13-2 when in fact hed struggle to beat any British middleweight that fights regularly on the circuit. He wouldnt be a ticket seller so even journeymen like Dan Blackwell (rec is currently 6-40) would probably beat him. Im not talking about European level fighters Im talking about the European fighters that promoters bring over to fight prospects for 1 or 2k. These guys are generally as bad as they get but there recs look nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerI just want to say I agree with you about South American and Mexican level boxers records not being equivalent but European level is the highest level prior to international, you have to admit that. Not trying to be anti-American for the fun of it, but everybody knows this is true, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
European level fighters are fighters going for European titles. Generally these will be guys who have had decent amateur careers and will generally have decent promoters and have fought for some form of a well known strap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerI'm not real clear on your distinction here. But I think I understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIm European. Eastern European level fighters that English promoters bring over have recs built up from gym fights. Its well known within the domestic circuit. For example Eubanks opponent Robert Swierzbinski from Poland had a rec of 13-2 when in fact hed struggle to beat any British middleweight that fights regularly on the circuit. He wouldnt be a ticket seller so even journeymen like Dan Blackwell (rec is currently 6-40) would probably beat him. Im not talking about European level fighters Im talking about the European fighters that promoters bring over to fight prospects for 1 or 2k. These guys are generally as bad as they get but there recs look nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerI just want to say I agree with you about South American and Mexican level boxers records not being equivalent but European level is the highest level prior to international, you have to admit that. Not trying to be anti-American for the fun of it, but everybody knows this is true, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
The European fighters I am talking about have little to no amateur pedigree, will have no ranking in any known organisation and will have only fought for regional/country titles against nobodies. A lot of these fights take place in the gym with another gym fighters as the ref and judges. These would generally be Czech, Slovak, Hungarian etc fighters and not the elite europeans (Russian, German etc.). Ive seen this first hand. My girlfriends Slovakian and I went to a show in her town a few years back. The main event was an unbeaten light heavy who did go onto fight for a world title last year. He was so average. Ovil McKensie would be a huge fav over him. Ignoring him, the rest of the card was woeful. Guys fighting at weights where there was no way they were that weight fighting guys that were out of shape and it was just god awful. Added to that there was about 15 people in the sports hall watching it.
Hope that makes more sense.
A 40 year old cruiser weight actually knocked David Haye out;DQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBA cruiserweight dropped and stopped chisora in half the time it took fury to retire the used up version, what's your point? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by rossQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWlad fought a guy who was 84-18 and in my mind woulkd be undoubtedly better then Nasciemento. Again this is where you reading of records makes you look like a fool. First of all Nasciemento is not an unknown quantity to the matchmaker. These guys are scouted and seen that they are not risks. No promoter is going to throw their guy in with fighters they havent seen before.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThats a dangerous fight for a rising fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBCreme de la creme... :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Its not a known quantity. An old name that everyone knows what they are going to get from. He was undefeated, no one knew who he was and is a puncher.
Again. Think like a manager. Putting undefeated, big, unknown punchers against your fighter is dangerous. Ask Warren about when he put Khan in with Prescott;)
Tyson fought Nasciemento in his 14th fight. Who did Wlad fight in his 14th fight and what was their record like? In fact, same goes for Stiverne and Wilder!
In general a domestic journeyman will be far better then the "unbeaten" foreign fighter. By foreing I mean eastern european or south american who has never won out of his home country. Most of these guys records are not reliable and some of their "pro" wins come from a fight in their own gym with no crowd and no certified ref or judges. These guys pose virtually no threat to the home fighter and the promoter can pay them less then the domestic journeymen. It also glams up his fighters resume to part time fans. Oh so and so just blasted out an undefeated fighter. It was used for Joshua in his first fight, for Price against unbeated Dallas when fighters like Skelton are actually more dangerous.
I do wonder how you got your job. This along with big punches beat weak chins;D
Furys 14th opponent was unbeaten in 13 fights with 10 knockouts. Is 6,5" and was 29
Jerry Halstead, Wlads 14th opponent on the other hand who you think is more dangerous had a record of 84,18,1 with 11 of his losses coming by KO!!! Is only 6,1"!! And was 34..... Previous to fighting Wlad he lost to a cruiser weight and was proper KO'd inside 1 round by Jeremy Williams! Thats half the time it took Wlad by the way!
One of the few tall men Fury's fought was in experienced and beat up by a cruiserweight. What's your point?
David Haye as achieved infinitely more at world level in less fights than Fury has had, what's your point?
Remember what we said about applying the SAME standards to ALL fighters? ???
David Haye got his world chance quicker mainly because he wasn't pissed around by someone who never really wanted to face him in the first place.
David Haye stopped Chisora yes and if you watched Furys fight, you would have seen Fury could have stopped Chisora in the first. I was in the arena and saw Chisoras legs go. Tyson didn't follow up at any point as they wanted the rounds.
Also, the fight was booed. Do you know why? It was so one sided. Fury was clearly leagues above Chisora whereas Haye had a tough time and competitive fight with Chisora.
Its eating away at you how good Fury is turning out to be. You keep randomly out the blue bringing up little remarks associated with him on various threads in reply to me.
Oh my god!!;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWhats Nascimentos rec outside of Brazil? Thats what his true rec is. As I stated before these guys are brought over to glam up prospects records. He wouldnt get into the top 20 of British heavyweights. Pretty sure Danny Williams would still beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWlad fought a guy who was 84-18 and in my mind woulkd be undoubtedly better then Nasciemento. Again this is where you reading of records makes you look like a fool. First of all Nasciemento is not an unknown quantity to the matchmaker. These guys are scouted and seen that they are not risks. No promoter is going to throw their guy in with fighters they havent seen before.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThats a dangerous fight for a rising fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBCreme de la creme... :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Its not a known quantity. An old name that everyone knows what they are going to get from. He was undefeated, no one knew who he was and is a puncher.
Again. Think like a manager. Putting undefeated, big, unknown punchers against your fighter is dangerous. Ask Warren about when he put Khan in with Prescott;)
Tyson fought Nasciemento in his 14th fight. Who did Wlad fight in his 14th fight and what was their record like? In fact, same goes for Stiverne and Wilder!
In general a domestic journeyman will be far better then the "unbeaten" foreign fighter. By foreing I mean eastern european or south american who has never won out of his home country. Most of these guys records are not reliable and some of their "pro" wins come from a fight in their own gym with no crowd and no certified ref or judges. These guys pose virtually no threat to the home fighter and the promoter can pay them less then the domestic journeymen. It also glams up his fighters resume to part time fans. Oh so and so just blasted out an undefeated fighter. It was used for Joshua in his first fight, for Price against unbeated Dallas when fighters like Skelton are actually more dangerous.
I do wonder how you got your job. This along with big punches beat weak chins;D
Furys 14th opponent was unbeaten in 13 fights with 10 knockouts. Is 6,5" and was 29
Jerry Halstead, Wlads 14th opponent on the other hand who you think is more dangerous had a record of 84,18,1 with 11 of his losses coming by KO!!! Is only 6,1"!! And was 34..... Previous to fighting Wlad he lost to a cruiser weight and was proper KO'd inside 1 round by Jeremy Williams! Thats half the time it took Wlad by the way!
Are you taking the piss!!?
Are you really a boxing odds compiler?
;D;D;D;D
Also, do you know what Stiverne was doing in his 14th fight? Coming back from being stopped..... Oh and Wilders opponent had 34 losses and in Wilders previous fight he was dragging himself off the floor against a complete nobody called Sconiers!
What odds would you give for that then?;D
All he is pointing out Ross is that you dont apply the same criteria to judging Fury as you do other fighters, which is fair.
Fury does look like he is going to be better then most (including me) predicted but there still isnt any evidence to suggest he will be as good as you predicted. He still hasnt fought anyone I have thought would beat him
It's really not eating away at me... :lol:
I'll give him props when he does something.
The fight was booed and Fury took twice the time against a much smaller man... Those are facts, the fight being booed for being one sided is conjecture, Fury 'wanting rounds' is conjecture.
Fury taking longer than Haye to even fight for a title is a fact, it all being Haye's fault is conjecture and ludicrous at that. ;D
Conjecture from a Fury fanboy, especially about Fury means NOTHING compared to facts.
One sided fights that weren't booed?
Joe Calzaghe vs Jeff Lacy
Actually looking at his rec again I wouldnt. I though Williams had only been losing to prospects but hes been losing to Journeymen to. But I would have Rogan, Sprott, Skelton, Darch, Turner, Carmichael, McPhilbin and Olubamiwo as favorite over him.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOh my god!!;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWhats Nascimentos rec outside of Brazil? Thats what his true rec is. As I stated before these guys are brought over to glam up prospects records. He wouldnt get into the top 20 of British heavyweights. Pretty sure Danny Williams would still beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWlad fought a guy who was 84-18 and in my mind woulkd be undoubtedly better then Nasciemento. Again this is where you reading of records makes you look like a fool. First of all Nasciemento is not an unknown quantity to the matchmaker. These guys are scouted and seen that they are not risks. No promoter is going to throw their guy in with fighters they havent seen before.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThats a dangerous fight for a rising fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBCreme de la creme... :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Its not a known quantity. An old name that everyone knows what they are going to get from. He was undefeated, no one knew who he was and is a puncher.
Again. Think like a manager. Putting undefeated, big, unknown punchers against your fighter is dangerous. Ask Warren about when he put Khan in with Prescott;)
Tyson fought Nasciemento in his 14th fight. Who did Wlad fight in his 14th fight and what was their record like? In fact, same goes for Stiverne and Wilder!
In general a domestic journeyman will be far better then the "unbeaten" foreign fighter. By foreing I mean eastern european or south american who has never won out of his home country. Most of these guys records are not reliable and some of their "pro" wins come from a fight in their own gym with no crowd and no certified ref or judges. These guys pose virtually no threat to the home fighter and the promoter can pay them less then the domestic journeymen. It also glams up his fighters resume to part time fans. Oh so and so just blasted out an undefeated fighter. It was used for Joshua in his first fight, for Price against unbeated Dallas when fighters like Skelton are actually more dangerous.
I do wonder how you got your job. This along with big punches beat weak chins;D
Furys 14th opponent was unbeaten in 13 fights with 10 knockouts. Is 6,5" and was 29
Jerry Halstead, Wlads 14th opponent on the other hand who you think is more dangerous had a record of 84,18,1 with 11 of his losses coming by KO!!! Is only 6,1"!! And was 34..... Previous to fighting Wlad he lost to a cruiser weight and was proper KO'd inside 1 round by Jeremy Williams! Thats half the time it took Wlad by the way!
Are you taking the piss!!?
Are you really a boxing odds compiler?
;D;D;D;D
Also, do you know what Stiverne was doing in his 14th fight? Coming back from being stopped..... Oh and Wilders opponent had 34 losses and in Wilders previous fight he was dragging himself off the floor against a complete nobody called Sconiers!
What odds would you give for that then?;D
Someone like, oh I dunno, a "hard puncher". Maybe one who also has "a bit of range" even LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Is that kinda what you were thinking Silk?? ;D
Not necessarily rangey. I would fancy Haye to beat him. Id also favor the winner of Wilder v Stiverne, whoever that may be. THats the fight I really want to see Fury in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerSomeone like, oh I dunno, a "hard puncher". Maybe one who also has "a bit of range" even LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Is that kinda what you were thinking Silk?? ;D
Mainly because Lacy was still able to make it look remotely competitive and that he may land something at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
It was during the first round even that it became clear the rematch between Fury and Chisora was a complete mismatch, that Chisora couldnt do what he did against Helenius, Haye and Vitali and offer a competitive match. It was also clear all the "conjecture" on Chisora being a better fighter now he's lighter and strung some wins together like the stoppage over the amazing Scott and now having the beating of Fury was utter bullshit.
If Stiverne wins he has said he wants Fury. If this is true and it happens Fury becomes WBC champ this year;) he is not as mobile on his feet as Chisora, he doesn't have Chisoras upper body movement, or work rate. Im not even sure his chin is that good losing by stoppage to a journeyman. He only has power but if he cant even get beyond the jab he's fucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeNot necessarily rangey. I would fancy Haye to beat him. Id also favor the winner of Wilder v Stiverne, whoever that may be. THats the fight I really want to see Fury in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerSomeone like, oh I dunno, a "hard puncher". Maybe one who also has "a bit of range" even LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Is that kinda what you were thinking Silk?? ;D
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeActually looking at his rec again I wouldnt. I though Williams had only been losing to prospects but hes been losing to Journeymen to. But I would have Rogan, Sprott, Skelton, Darch, Turner, Carmichael, McPhilbin and Olubamiwo as favorite over him.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOh my god!!;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWhats Nascimentos rec outside of Brazil? Thats what his true rec is. As I stated before these guys are brought over to glam up prospects records. He wouldnt get into the top 20 of British heavyweights. Pretty sure Danny Williams would still beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWlad fought a guy who was 84-18 and in my mind woulkd be undoubtedly better then Nasciemento. Again this is where you reading of records makes you look like a fool. First of all Nasciemento is not an unknown quantity to the matchmaker. These guys are scouted and seen that they are not risks. No promoter is going to throw their guy in with fighters they havent seen before.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThats a dangerous fight for a rising fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBCreme de la creme... :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Its not a known quantity. An old name that everyone knows what they are going to get from. He was undefeated, no one knew who he was and is a puncher.
Again. Think like a manager. Putting undefeated, big, unknown punchers against your fighter is dangerous. Ask Warren about when he put Khan in with Prescott;)
Tyson fought Nasciemento in his 14th fight. Who did Wlad fight in his 14th fight and what was their record like? In fact, same goes for Stiverne and Wilder!
In general a domestic journeyman will be far better then the "unbeaten" foreign fighter. By foreing I mean eastern european or south american who has never won out of his home country. Most of these guys records are not reliable and some of their "pro" wins come from a fight in their own gym with no crowd and no certified ref or judges. These guys pose virtually no threat to the home fighter and the promoter can pay them less then the domestic journeymen. It also glams up his fighters resume to part time fans. Oh so and so just blasted out an undefeated fighter. It was used for Joshua in his first fight, for Price against unbeated Dallas when fighters like Skelton are actually more dangerous.
I do wonder how you got your job. This along with big punches beat weak chins;D
Furys 14th opponent was unbeaten in 13 fights with 10 knockouts. Is 6,5" and was 29
Jerry Halstead, Wlads 14th opponent on the other hand who you think is more dangerous had a record of 84,18,1 with 11 of his losses coming by KO!!! Is only 6,1"!! And was 34..... Previous to fighting Wlad he lost to a cruiser weight and was proper KO'd inside 1 round by Jeremy Williams! Thats half the time it took Wlad by the way!
Are you taking the piss!!?
Are you really a boxing odds compiler?
;D;D;D;D
Also, do you know what Stiverne was doing in his 14th fight? Coming back from being stopped..... Oh and Wilders opponent had 34 losses and in Wilders previous fight he was dragging himself off the floor against a complete nobody called Sconiers!
What odds would you give for that then?;D
Yeah, thats what I thought.....
:rolleyes:
I hope your right as I have a significant bet on Fury to become a world champion this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIf Stiverne wins he has said he wants Fury. If this is true and it happens Fury becomes WBC champ this year;) he is not as mobile on his feet as Chisora, he doesn't have Chisoras upper body movement, or work rate. Im not even sure his chin is that good losing by stoppage to a journeyman. He only has power but if he cant even get beyond the jab he's fucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeNot necessarily rangey. I would fancy Haye to beat him. Id also favor the winner of Wilder v Stiverne, whoever that may be. THats the fight I really want to see Fury in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerSomeone like, oh I dunno, a "hard puncher". Maybe one who also has "a bit of range" even LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Is that kinda what you were thinking Silk?? ;D
I do think you are underestimating Stiverne though. He is pretty slick. Id say he is better at avoiding punches then Chisora. It depends how they win and when the fight with Fury is. If Fury got Stiverne in England hed have a very good chance. I think hed struggle in the states.
Is that bet available for anyone to place?Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI hope your right as I have a significant bet on Fury to become a world champion this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIf Stiverne wins he has said he wants Fury. If this is true and it happens Fury becomes WBC champ this year;) he is not as mobile on his feet as Chisora, he doesn't have Chisoras upper body movement, or work rate. Im not even sure his chin is that good losing by stoppage to a journeyman. He only has power but if he cant even get beyond the jab he's fucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeNot necessarily rangey. I would fancy Haye to beat him. Id also favor the winner of Wilder v Stiverne, whoever that may be. THats the fight I really want to see Fury in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerSomeone like, oh I dunno, a "hard puncher". Maybe one who also has "a bit of range" even LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Is that kinda what you were thinking Silk?? ;D
I do think you are underestimating Stiverne though. He is pretty slick. Id say he is better at avoiding punches then Chisora. It depends how they win and when the fight with Fury is. If Fury got Stiverne in England hed have a very good chance. I think hed struggle in the states.
It is but price is gone. I backed it at 5/1 with ladbrokes but they are now only 9/4 (which I think is still an ok price). We are 15/8. Ladbrokes are shocking at pricing these specials. Won a chunk on Frampton last year. Backed Fury at 5/1, Degale at 3/1, Saunders at 2/1, Groves at 4/1, Selby at 9/4 and Khan at 2/1 this year. Ill be shocked if I dont make a profit :DQuote:
Originally Posted by rossIs that bet available for anyone to place?Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI hope your right as I have a significant bet on Fury to become a world champion this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIf Stiverne wins he has said he wants Fury. If this is true and it happens Fury becomes WBC champ this year;) he is not as mobile on his feet as Chisora, he doesn't have Chisoras upper body movement, or work rate. Im not even sure his chin is that good losing by stoppage to a journeyman. He only has power but if he cant even get beyond the jab he's fucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeNot necessarily rangey. I would fancy Haye to beat him. Id also favor the winner of Wilder v Stiverne, whoever that may be. THats the fight I really want to see Fury in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerSomeone like, oh I dunno, a "hard puncher". Maybe one who also has "a bit of range" even LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Is that kinda what you were thinking Silk?? ;D
I do think you are underestimating Stiverne though. He is pretty slick. Id say he is better at avoiding punches then Chisora. It depends how they win and when the fight with Fury is. If Fury got Stiverne in England hed have a very good chance. I think hed struggle in the states.
You must be very confident that Fury will become world champion if you were willing to part with "significant" money over it?
Not confident but 5/1 is too big. I dont bet because I think something will win, I bet because the odds are too good allowing me to make money in the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
OkQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeNot confident but 5/1 is too big. I dont bet because I think something will win, I bet because the odds are too good allowing me to make money in the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
You placed a "significant" bet on something you have no confidence in happening.....
You would also have no confidence in David Cameron becoming a world champion boxer this year. Would you part with the same money?
:thumb:
You need to understand odds to make money from gambling. For example a coin toss is 50/50. That means fair odds are evens heads and evens tails. If me and you were to have a 10er bet on every toss of a coin for 1000 tosses we would be pretty close to getting 500 wins each meaning we would have 500 wins and 500 losses. If the odds are evens we would break even. What bookies do is over "unfair odds" on this. 5/6 on each side. If this was the case we would still have the same amount of winners but as the odds are less then evens you would lose money. If you could get better odds then even (say 2/1) you would still have 500 winners but as the odds are better you would turn a very good profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOkQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeNot confident but 5/1 is too big. I dont bet because I think something will win, I bet because the odds are too good allowing me to make money in the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
You placed a "significant" bet on something you have no confidence in happening.....
You would also have no confidence in David Cameron becoming a world champion boxer this year. Would you part with the same money?
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Above is easy because its easy to calculate the odds on a coin toss but its not so easy in most sports. This is what gives some customers a chance of taking money off bookmakers. I believe fury is a 2/1 shot. What this means is if the same scenario came up over and over again Fury would win a world title once every 3 times. THe odds I got suggest he will only win once in 6. If you consistently beat prices like this you will turn a healthy profit. From my bet on Fury, given the odds I have an expected profit of 100% of my stake. Obviously should the bet win my profit will be 500% of the stake (as the odds are 5/1). I made 9% profit from my personel stakes in 2014 but my expected profit was 15%. This could mean my prices werent as good as I thought but still consistently beating the bookies odds.
Another way to explain this is you think Fury will beat Stiverne. So you have no confidence in Stiverne? SO will you not back him at any price? 5/1? 10/1? 20/1? 50/1? Everything has its price and if it is wrong it is worth backing, even if you dont think it will win.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOkQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeNot confident but 5/1 is too big. I dont bet because I think something will win, I bet because the odds are too good allowing me to make money in the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
You placed a "significant" bet on something you have no confidence in happening.....
You would also have no confidence in David Cameron becoming a world champion boxer this year. Would you part with the same money?
:thumb:
50/1 maybe a tenner but certainly nothing significant.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeAnother way to explain this is you think Fury will beat Stiverne. So you have no confidence in Stiverne? SO will you not back him at any price? 5/1? 10/1? 20/1? 50/1? Everything has its price and if it is wrong it is worth backing, even if you dont think it will win.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOkQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeNot confident but 5/1 is too big. I dont bet because I think something will win, I bet because the odds are too good allowing me to make money in the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
You placed a "significant" bet on something you have no confidence in happening.....
You would also have no confidence in David Cameron becoming a world champion boxer this year. Would you part with the same money?
:thumb:
Significants a subjective word. A 10er may not be significant to you but sigbificant to someone else :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ross50/1 maybe a tenner but certainly nothing significant.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeAnother way to explain this is you think Fury will beat Stiverne. So you have no confidence in Stiverne? SO will you not back him at any price? 5/1? 10/1? 20/1? 50/1? Everything has its price and if it is wrong it is worth backing, even if you dont think it will win.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOkQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeNot confident but 5/1 is too big. I dont bet because I think something will win, I bet because the odds are too good allowing me to make money in the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
You placed a "significant" bet on something you have no confidence in happening.....
You would also have no confidence in David Cameron becoming a world champion boxer this year. Would you part with the same money?
:thumb:
Well being that you work in the industry you understand what a "significant" amount is so don't give me that old hogs wash that you have no confidence in Tyson winning the world title this year because you laid down a significant amount. Not just ten or twenty quid.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeSignificants a subjective word. A 10er may not be significant to you but sigbificant to someone else :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ross50/1 maybe a tenner but certainly nothing significant.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeAnother way to explain this is you think Fury will beat Stiverne. So you have no confidence in Stiverne? SO will you not back him at any price? 5/1? 10/1? 20/1? 50/1? Everything has its price and if it is wrong it is worth backing, even if you dont think it will win.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOkQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeNot confident but 5/1 is too big. I dont bet because I think something will win, I bet because the odds are too good allowing me to make money in the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
You placed a "significant" bet on something you have no confidence in happening.....
You would also have no confidence in David Cameron becoming a world champion boxer this year. Would you part with the same money?
:thumb:
In fact it wouldn't surprise me if you popped a grand on it. I feel the Fury Force is strong within you;D
It sounds to me that Tyson Fury may just be some kind of guilty pleasure for you. That you secretly admire him and believe in him but dare not express your true feelings for him as a fighter in here for fear of alienating yourself from the majority.
Be true to yourself! ;)
;D
Ive said before he is turning out to be better then I expected. I have nothing against him. He can be a bit of a prick sometimes but what boxer cant? I still dont think hes near Wlads level. Stiverne and Fury are close in my books so thats a fight Id love to see. You will get evens or slight odds against on Fury if the fight happens which will probably be mouth watering to you :D
I reckon even when Tyson fights and beats Wlad you will still get "when will he fight someone his own size";D
I wonder who would be more appealing for the Stiverne/Wilder winner as an opponent. Fury or Wlad? Would it be Fury, seen as vulnerable and an easy win (according to Haye fans) or jumping straight in to a unification with Wlad?
I think a Wilder v Fury fight would sell massive. Wilder can sell himself and I have a feeling he could give as good as he gets unlike Haye who struggled to keep up and sulked and went quiet when Fury gave him some abuse and out talked him.
Stop reading at this point... You just lost what little credibility you had left. Comedy gold... :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMainly because Lacy was still able to make it look remotely competitive and that he may land something at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Don't lie. You got stuck on a big word didn't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBStop reading at this point... You just lost what little credibility you had left. Comedy gold... :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMainly because Lacy was still able to make it look remotely competitive and that he may land something at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Talk to me about 'big words' when you know the difference between your and you're, Ross...
Have I made that mistake on this thread?Quote:
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The only reason Fury is still where he is, is because Haye suffered injuries. Everybody knows Haye would have not only knocked Fury out, but done it relatively easily!Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Fury is a little better now and Haye has been inactive but still these is no real way Fury could beat Haye, he is WAY way too good.
Fury just doesn't have good chin or a really big punch. His dimensions will help him though. He is a pretty good combination puncher too.
Max, congratulations!Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerThe only reason Fury is still where he is, is because Haye suffered injuries. Everybody knows Haye would have not only knocked Fury out, but done it relatively easily!Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Fury is a little better now and Haye has been inactive but still these is no real way Fury could beat Haye, he is WAY way too good.
Fury just doesn't have good chin or a really big punch. His dimensions will help him though. He is a pretty good combination puncher too.
You have managed to post the only thing of yours that will get a like.;D
The people who will like your post will have to remember though, that you talk a lot of shit.
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Well there are plenty of likes on other of my posts but funnily enough not that one yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMax, congratulations!Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerThe only reason Fury is still where he is, is because Haye suffered injuries. Everybody knows Haye would have not only knocked Fury out, but done it relatively easily!Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Fury is a little better now and Haye has been inactive but still these is no real way Fury could beat Haye, he is WAY way too good.
Fury just doesn't have good chin or a really big punch. His dimensions will help him though. He is a pretty good combination puncher too.
You have managed to post the only thing of yours that will get a like.;D
The people who will like your post will have to remember though, that you talk a lot of shit.
;)
For the record I consider you one of the most elite dummies on this site so you know what your word is worth to me. Not a single drop of piss if you were thirsty in the desert!
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