I have Floyd 46-1 over 18 yrs ;D but what are numbers. Spadafora spanned 18 but should have been 48-1 :-X. He also did more jail time than Floyd.
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I have Floyd 46-1 over 18 yrs ;D but what are numbers. Spadafora spanned 18 but should have been 48-1 :-X. He also did more jail time than Floyd.
Fighting the best and challenging yourself against the odds is what makes fighters great :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
These are the things that make Mayweather the best ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by La CucarachaLike I said most of that stuff is irrelevant to in the ring achievements :p guys like Robinson, Armstrong, Ali, Duran, Leonard didn't earn anywhere near what Floyd has but are a million times greater than Floyd will ever be :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
He has triumphed and prospered and influenced positive change in the sport in ways no one else has.
You say he has influenced positive change but I would question his support of USADA which has been found lacking when VADA is clearly the better instrument :p
Again it is outside the ring stuff so holds no bearing on Floyd's perceived greatness as a fighter ;)
Maywether has fought the best throughout his career. He has beat them all.Quote:
Originally Posted by La CucarachaFighting the best and challenging yourself against the odds is what makes fighters great :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoThese are the things that make Mayweather the best ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by La CucarachaLike I said most of that stuff is irrelevant to in the ring achievements :p guys like Robinson, Armstrong, Ali, Duran, Leonard didn't earn anywhere near what Floyd has but are a million times greater than Floyd will ever be :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
He has triumphed and prospered and influenced positive change in the sport in ways no one else has.
You say he has influenced positive change but I would question his support of USADA which has been found lacking when VADA is clearly the better instrument :p
Again it is outside the ring stuff so holds no bearing on Floyd's perceived greatness as a fighter ;)
He has almost single handedly forced the issue on increased PED testing. Before he started insisting on it 6 years ago it was hardly considered. Now it's a staple for most big fights. This helps protect the fighters. Your personal feelings about VADA vs USADA are irrelevant compared to the good being done by the god being done to end the cheating.
The outside the ring stuff is very important to Floyd and it obviously factors into his perception of himself as the best ever.
He's going to have had a 19 or 20 year career where he's fought the best and beat them all. He'll retire with his health and brain fully intact, not a drooling, shaking vegetable.
He'll be rich as fuck, not some half way house living bum.
He'll have managed his career his way without getting screwed over by shady promoters and without having to answer to anyone but himself.
No other fighter has ever had this much control over their own careers. If you think that's nothing then you just have too narrow a view of what the sport and business of boxing is really all about.
He's been able to achieve all these amazing feats by being such a great fighter.
We'll have to agree to disagree about Floyd fighting the best (and beating them all :-X) :p apart from Genaro I can't think of a fight where Floyd wasn't the favorite, he never challenged himself as all the previous greats have :-\ you may appreciate the business side of boxing but I prefer to concentrate on what is done inside the ring :lickish: other matters outside the ring like doing time for beating a woman does not concern me in regards to a fighters accomplishments between the ropes ;D
Mayweather is one of the best ever / all time greats, so it goes without saying that he's ALWAYS the favourite to win his fights.
The fact that you think that makes him less of a fighter is laughable.
I didn't say it makes him less of a fighter :-\ I'm merely pointing out that it brings his TBE claims into question ;D there were many big fights that he could have pushed harder to make but never materialized for one reason or another :mad: Not all Floyd's fault for sure, but the only true way to show you are better than someone is to prove it, you don't get credit for saying you would beat someone, you get credit for doing it :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I'll ask you again, do you think GGG is a risk and would you favor Floyd to win? :confused:
Fighting bigger, stronger and hard hitting fighters that are far outside of anyone's best weight class is a risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by La CucarachaI didn't say it makes him less of a fighter :-\ I'm merely pointing out that it brings his TBE claims into question ;D there were many big fights that he could have pushed harder to make but never materialized for one reason or another :mad: Not all Floyd's fault for sure, but the only true way to show you are better than someone is to prove it, you don't get credit for saying you would beat someone, you get credit for doing it :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I'll ask you again, do you think GGG is a risk and would you favor Floyd to win? :confused:
I don't favour anyone to win because that fight won't happen.
So Mayweather should challenge himself right :p:-X TBE would! Do what other greats have done :-X like I said Duran started at 119, or is this where the business side comes in :p if he want to call himself TBE then why not? Others have ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoFighting bigger, stronger and hard hitting fighters that are far outside of anyone's best weight class is a risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by La CucarachaI didn't say it makes him less of a fighter :-\ I'm merely pointing out that it brings his TBE claims into question ;D there were many big fights that he could have pushed harder to make but never materialized for one reason or another :mad: Not all Floyd's fault for sure, but the only true way to show you are better than someone is to prove it, you don't get credit for saying you would beat someone, you get credit for doing it :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I'll ask you again, do you think GGG is a risk and would you favor Floyd to win? :confused:
I don't favour anyone to win because that fight won't happen.
No but wait Floyd has earned millions, is his own man, set the standard for drug testing blah blah blah ;D
If Floyd fought GGG next after Pac and lost I would have more respect for him for challenging himself than retiring undefeated ;)
You are not very smart. huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by La Cucaracha
Smart enough to know Floyd is not TBE ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoYou are not very smart. huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by La Cucaracha
SO if he fought GGG after Pac would Floyd then be TBE in your eyes?Quote:
Originally Posted by La Cucaracha
(PS... I don't think Floyd gives a shit what you think. Sorry.)
No he still wouldn't be TBE but it would definitely add to his legacy :) remember even De La Hoya went to 160, but I guess even in heels DLH has more balls than Floyd :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoSO if he fought GGG after Pac would Floyd then be TBE in your eyes?Quote:
Originally Posted by La Cucaracha
(PS... I don't think Floyd gives a shit what you think. Sorry.)
Damn I really thought he cared :-X
Following your argument fighting Klitschko would add to his legacy as well, but you'd probably still not rate him TBE.Quote:
Originally Posted by La CucarachaNo he still wouldn't be TBE but it would definitely add to his legacy :) remember even De La Hoya went to 160, but I guess even in heels DLH has more balls than Floyd :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Damn I really thought he cared :-X
That's why it's important to set and achieve one's own goals and be content with one's own accomplishments rather than trying to appeal to twats like you.
I'm not asking anything of Floyd that other great fighters haven't done :p I'm not asking for heavyweight, middleweight will be fine :-X your making yourself look silly now by bring Klitschko into the equation :-X you seem to want to wrap Floyd in cotton wool and keep him on a safe route, just like he's been doing since the Castillo scare :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoFollowing your argument fighting Klitschko would add to his legacy as well, but you'd probably still not rate him TBE.Quote:
Originally Posted by La CucarachaNo he still wouldn't be TBE but it would definitely add to his legacy :) remember even De La Hoya went to 160, but I guess even in heels DLH has more balls than Floyd :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Damn I really thought he cared :-X
That's why it's important to set and achieve one's own goals and be content with one's own accomplishments rather than trying to appeal to twats like you.
I have no problem with Floyd setting and achieving his own goals, he should be content with his accomplishments but he should stop claiming to be TBE because he is not even close :cool:
You write like an 8 year old girl.
Thanks ;) but insults are for children :p I'll stick to facts for my arguments ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Give him respect for moving up and beating the best at 154
Cotto and Canelo are both good wins at 154 :D he did walk away from a Wright fight at 154 which would have been a fantastic :D Floyd was going to jump from 140 and Wright was going to move down to 154 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
C'mon guys lets be realistic here Floyd is not & never will be anywhere near TBE .
The reason why he wont is simple. He avoided too many legitimate contenders for way too long. Yes he has the God Given talents to be one of TBE but lacked the heart and cojones to take full advantage of those incredible talents. Had he fought Paquaio, Margarito, Williams Etc he may well have beaten them all. In that case I would be rating him up there with Ali, Robinson etc too. By choosing not to he tarnished his own legacy & now is universally regarded as cherry picker & a wannabee. Really its sad that a man blessed with such incredible talents did not take full advantage of them. Its too late now to even think about ever being an ATG.
All I hope now is Floyd in man enough to give Paquaio a level playing field on May 2. No Kenny Bayless protecting him No Vegas mafia as judges etc. Make it a clean fight with the Legitimately best man on the night getting the win whichever he may be
He's going to leave the sport rich and healthy with a promotion company to his name.
He'll be able to walk properly, speak clearly and will have all his mental faculties in tact.
That's more than you can say about the other greats whose names you guys keep mentioning.
This sport is a slow killer and Floyd is going to leave the sport on top having faced all the big names and with a perfect record.
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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Floyd will leave the sport a rich man yes BUT how long will those riches last with his lifestyle?? Also & I'm being very serious here, look and listen closely to Floyd. Can you understand half of what he says? He doesn't speak clearly to me. Look at the statements he's made in front of cameras Then a few days later Swear he never made those statements. Is he blatantly lying?? Or does he really have a memory problem???
I honestly & sincerely think he needs to be evaluated he has acted very erratically over the last few years. I know I'll probably get attacked for saying this but it does concern me. I am saying it all out of concern nothing else
Floyd is a tragedy waiting to happen after he retires. He'll end up broke and in jail or dead
Floyd Mayweather is a piece of s*** and certainly tragedy waiting to happen. I recently posted a thread in which I predicted that little boy Floyd would be in jail before his 42nd birthday.Quote:
Originally Posted by La Cucaracha
So what's standing in Floyd's way of being a true great is the fact that he never fought Margarito and Paul Williams??Quote:
Originally Posted by C.J.Rock
Gummon bro ;D
Frietas, Casamajor, Hatton and Cotto at 140lb and Kostya.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerSo what's standing in Floyd's way of being a true great is the fact that he never fought Margarito and Paul Williams??Quote:
Originally Posted by C.J.Rock
Gummon bro ;D
I love Floyd haters. It's all revisionist history, it's always Floyd's fault if a fight never happened. I don't think there's ever been an athlete who's had such devoted haters. When Floyd retires undefeated it's going to truly piss off a lot of people.
When was he supposed to fight those guys?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFrietas, Casamajor, Hatton and Cotto at 140lb and Kostya.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerSo what's standing in Floyd's way of being a true great is the fact that he never fought Margarito and Paul Williams??Quote:
Originally Posted by C.J.Rock
Gummon bro ;D
He called out Frietas and Casamayor... they were on different networks.
COTTO turned down a fight at 140 because his camp felt he wasn't ready.
KOSTYA would have been nice but obviously Hatton destroyed him first.
And are we really going to go down this road again where Hatton would have been better if he had to weigh in at 140 instead of 147? The fat guy, the guy who balloons up on beer and fish n chips between fights, the naturally bigger guy, would have benefitted more from having to cut 7 more pounds of weight... it's such retarded logic you can't even argue against it.
Floyd was having diva moments when he could have faced Frieatas and Casamajor, no excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerWhen was he supposed to fight those guys?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFrietas, Casamajor, Hatton and Cotto at 140lb and Kostya.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerSo what's standing in Floyd's way of being a true great is the fact that he never fought Margarito and Paul Williams??Quote:
Originally Posted by C.J.Rock
Gummon bro ;D
He called out Frietas and Casamayor... they were on different networks.
COTTO turned down a fight at 140 because his camp felt he wasn't ready.
KOSTYA would have been nice but obviously Hatton destroyed him first.
And are we really going to go down this road again where Hatton would have been better if he had to weigh in at 140 instead of 147? The fat guy, the guy who balloons up on beer and fish n chips between fights, the naturally bigger guy, would have benefitted more from having to cut 7 more pounds of weight... it's such retarded logic you can't even argue against it.
Obviously chasing Kostya before he lost to Hatton and not Gatti.
You know Hatton was not the same force at 147lb, look how he struggled at the weight. He was a real champion at 140lb. Floyd knew that.
Do you guys realize that there are a lot of greats who didn't beat every champion and tough contender within 3 or 4 weight classes of them? Can you imagine all the tough guys that guys like Ray Robinson and other fighters back in the day didn't fight? Read Jake Lamotta's book, he goes into great detail about the huge amount of young BLACK fighters who never got their shots against anyone because they weren't connected and were black. Guys who, in Lamotta's words, would have chased a lot of the champs and top contenders of the day out of the ring. There's no champion in the history of boxing who fought every challenge they possibly could.
But when you talk about the important fights, the big money fights that captivated the general public, didn't Floyd fight them all? DLH, Hatton, Alvarez, and now Pac... are guys like Margarito or Paul Williams going to be remembered in the annals of boxing history like those guys? Gummon bro ;D
Stop defending him Leonard Ellerbe you know I am right. :)
Gummon bro, is this master or Iaminuit I'm talking to here? Gummon bro ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
I'm not going to pretend I know everything that went on behind the scenes, but what I do know is Floyd called both guys out publicly (name me one guy in the history of boxing who publicly called out a guy he ducked). You don't call out guys you want to duck, you ignore them and hope that nobody talks about it. Casamayor and Freitas fought each other, had a controversial decision and a rematch was supposed to happen, Floyd chose to move up and fight the #1 guy at 135 instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
The Hatton stuff I might as well argue whether there is a god to a Catholic. No matter what logic you bring up they're just going to cling to nonsense ;D Gummon bro ;D
Hatton fought Collazo at 147 two fights before taking on Mayweather. Knowing Fatton's beer burgers and blow diet you can hardly blame those extra 7lbs for his poor conditioning so quit the weak excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerGummon bro, is this master or Iaminuit I'm talking to here? Gummon bro ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Whats funny is that Hatton weighed in at 147 for his fight against Floyd, Floyd himself chose to come in light, weighing 145 the day before.
Therefore he could have made 140lb and did not because Hatton was poor at welterweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoHatton fought Collazo at 147 two fights before taking on Mayweather. Knowing Fatton's beer burgers and blow diet you can hardly blame those extra 7lbs for his poor conditioning so quit the weak excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerGummon bro, is this master or Iaminuit I'm talking to here? Gummon bro ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Whats funny is that Hatton weighed in at 147 for his fight against Floyd, Floyd himself chose to come in light, weighing 145 the day before.
He could have fucked a sheep also...Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTherefore he could have made 140lb and did not because Hatton was poor at welterweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoHatton fought Collazo at 147 two fights before taking on Mayweather. Knowing Fatton's beer burgers and blow diet you can hardly blame those extra 7lbs for his poor conditioning so quit the weak excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerGummon bro, is this master or Iaminuit I'm talking to here? Gummon bro ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Whats funny is that Hatton weighed in at 147 for his fight against Floyd, Floyd himself chose to come in light, weighing 145 the day before.
He could also have not hit those women...Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoHe could have fucked a sheep also...Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTherefore he could have made 140lb and did not because Hatton was poor at welterweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoHatton fought Collazo at 147 two fights before taking on Mayweather. Knowing Fatton's beer burgers and blow diet you can hardly blame those extra 7lbs for his poor conditioning so quit the weak excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerGummon bro, is this master or Iaminuit I'm talking to here? Gummon bro ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Whats funny is that Hatton weighed in at 147 for his fight against Floyd, Floyd himself chose to come in light, weighing 145 the day before.
THOSE women. HahaahaQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterHe could also have not hit those women...Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoHe could have fucked a sheep also...Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTherefore he could have made 140lb and did not because Hatton was poor at welterweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoHatton fought Collazo at 147 two fights before taking on Mayweather. Knowing Fatton's beer burgers and blow diet you can hardly blame those extra 7lbs for his poor conditioning so quit the weak excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerGummon bro, is this master or Iaminuit I'm talking to here? Gummon bro ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Whats funny is that Hatton weighed in at 147 for his fight against Floyd, Floyd himself chose to come in light, weighing 145 the day before.
He could have spent more time with his children and less time throwing his money away....Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoTHOSE women. HahaahaQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterHe could also have not hit those women...Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoHe could have fucked a sheep also...Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTherefore he could have made 140lb and did not because Hatton was poor at welterweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoHatton fought Collazo at 147 two fights before taking on Mayweather. Knowing Fatton's beer burgers and blow diet you can hardly blame those extra 7lbs for his poor conditioning so quit the weak excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerGummon bro, is this master or Iaminuit I'm talking to here? Gummon bro ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Whats funny is that Hatton weighed in at 147 for his fight against Floyd, Floyd himself chose to come in light, weighing 145 the day before.
There's this insane logic that I've seen a few people use on this forums, Iaminut is the blaring example, where a guy's abilities is defined by what arbitrary weight he is contracted to weigh in at.
There's two ways weight can affect a fighter. 1) The fighter has to cut too much weight and becomes "weight drained", weakened to the point that it negatively impacts his performance and 2) the fighter is fighting at a weight class that is far beyond his natural class and is fighting guys much bigger than he is used to. We've seen it before: a guy is a big puncher at (let's say for example) 135, he moves to 147 and suddenly he is fighting much bigger guys who can withstand much more force, and all of a sudden he's not a big puncher any more, he can't keep the big guys off him, and he gets drained by fighting a much bigger man. That's it. That's the only two ways weight has anything to do with the outcome of a fight. Neither of those affected Hatton: he wasn't forced to weaken himself by cutting excessive weight and he wasn't forced to fight a guy that was a weight class bigger than him.
But certain people here seem to believe in magic numbers, that the arbitrary weight itself defines a fighters' ability. What can you say to it? It's just moronic. ;D Gummon bro ;D
Hatton pushed around and man handled his opponents at 140lb look at what he did to the great Tzsyu. At welterweight he was at best average. It suited Floyd to fight Ricky at welterweight. What is not to get?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker