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Wlad never gets a KO or good performance when it matters. Whenever he fights in the States he always stinks out the building with his nonsense, or even when it's a big fight people are excited about like David Haye.
Then he'll go and rattle off a few great KOs when only the Germans are watching.
SMH...:-\
my favourite threads are those that slag off wladimir klitchko
biggest farce in boxing history
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Originally Posted by Beanflicker
The Pulev KO didn't matter?
If Haye kept from flailing around on the canvas like a fish out of water and actually come to FIGHT not come to just cash a check, then maybe we would have seen a KO! Same goes for Sultan Ibragimov!
Wlad's opponents seem to want to try the Floyd Mayweather Jr. style of winning which is A) fucking difficult as hell and B ) not fan friendly. To win a fight WHILE backing up is almost (almost) impossible....and to make it look good is even harder because you're depending on your opponent to be the bull while you are the matador...often times that doesn't happen because not all boxers are so stupid. The guys looking to last 12 vs Wlad are using that strategy, side to side movement, trying to create angles, trying to walk Wlad into a punch....if Wlad is landing the jab on you that means he's scoring points and when he's scoring points he's winning rounds and because he's patient he's alright with winning rounds.
Now if Deontay Wilder just says "Fuck it, I'm dropping bombs from the start of the fight" then I'll give him a MUCH better chance of winning than someone just looking to survive and steal a few rounds. It takes more than just a high guard to beat Wlad, it takes more than just 1 big punch to beat Wlad as well....you've got to hit him, you've got to follow up, and you've got to keep your hands free it's the same way you'd beat Floyd Mayweather Jr, same way you'd beat Bernard Hopkins, same way you'd beat Lennox Lewis....it's tough, it's dangerous, but that's how it must be done.
The Pulov KO was great but why can't he do that in front of a sold out MSG, instead of across the pond in front of the Krauts?
He's big, he's got a good look, he's dominant... people in the States WANT to like him but whenever he comes over here he stinks the arena out.
Less holding, more punching.
the pulev fight was very flattering
wlad was holding like fuck, or trying too, then pulev landed and shook him, pulev got careless and got caught on the way in and then the fight was over, pulev never recovered and was no longer competitive
Alright I'll just respond with Pulev came to fight, Jennings came to survive. David Haye came to survive, Sultan Ibragimov came to survive....ALL dominant champions have to deal with that and some have better tactics in dealing with that, some styles are meant to deal with that. Wlad is perhaps too cerebral in the ring which no it's not what people want to see, but by God it's fucking brilliant because he not only has an easy time beating fighter, he gives fighters a very hard time when they are trying to beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Joe Louis had a style that would have found a way to KO Sultan and Jennings...but at that same time it would put Joe at more risk to being knocked down (which happened on occasion) but again Joe was fighting 15 rounds in his title fights so guys would only be able to run for so long.
Mike Tyson had a style where if you didn't throw enough punches to keep him off of you then he'd corner you and force you to the canvas either by power, speed, or accumulation of punches.
Wlad will wait a guy out, George Foreman would chase fighters down early in his career and in the second act of his career he'd be patient with them and let the win just happen KO or not.
It's not in Wlad's style to fight with a sense of urgency once he's up on the cards...I mean if he can sense the KO, or it's open for him he'll get it his record speaks for itself on that. But if a fighter is being very difficult and cagey, Wlad will put in an effort where he can be casual and win rounds because to win the belts you HAVE to come to the ring looking to BEAT the champion....the judges and refs won't just hand belts over just because a guy lasts 12.
please dont laugh at el kabong too much, he has deep sexual feelings for wlad and this distorts his point of view
but lets not let this thread slip to page two
its very important we keep the truth about the big cheat live and current :)
I always wonder how a 147lb version of him would do in the current welterweight division. And then I think he wouldn't be in the top ten. This is why I can't understand people having him in their p4p rankings.
Yes he's dominated the Heavyweight division for the last 10 years, but the opposition is laughable for top level boxing.
he admitted in an interview to an old lady with glasses who works for Fox Sports that his strategy is just to wait and wait and wait and tie up and tire out his opponent and then go for the late knockout
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A 147 lb version of Wlad would do just fine given he still had height and reach advantages because that's the basis for his tactics. He started out boxing in a crouch under the late Fritz Sdunek. Sdunek had him as a pressure fighter much like Freddie Roach attempted to make him and there was kind of an argument about that style when Wlad was saying Roach tried to make him into a 6'6 Mike Tyson thereby NOT playing to his strengths at all. Sure Wlad has the handspeed and power to use such a style, but it puts him in a position where it's easier not harder to hit him....not a bright move in boxing. Manny Steward's style which Wlad still uses has been great and to argue against that is idiotic, I mean ANY argument against Manny's tactics for Wlad would be asinine because look where it's gotten him. He was good before, now he's great.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
The opposition is laughable? Wlad has beaten any number of former Olympians and undefeated heavyweights, and again you can't blame Wlad for other fighters not being as good as him.
You mean like Ali used to do?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
bwAAAAAAHAHAHA EXACTLY. Ali should've lost dozens of points for grabbing behind the neck. He grabbed Foreman so many times behind the neck we all lost count by the 5th round.Quote:
Originally Posted by FreedomYou mean like Ali used to do?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
the basis of his tactics is holding and leaningQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongA 147 lb version of Wlad would do just fine given he still had height and reach advantages because that's the basis for his tactics. He started out boxing in a crouch under the late Fritz Sdunek. Sdunek had him as a pressure fighter much like Freddie Roach attempted to make him and there was kind of an argument about that style when Wlad was saying Roach tried to make him into a 6'6 Mike Tyson thereby NOT playing to his strengths at all. Sure Wlad has the handspeed and power to use such a style, but it puts him in a position where it's easier not harder to hit him....not a bright move in boxing. Manny Steward's style which Wlad still uses has been great and to argue against that is idiotic, I mean ANY argument against Manny's tactics for Wlad would be asinine because look where it's gotten him. He was good before, now he's great.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
The opposition is laughable? Wlad has beaten any number of former Olympians and undefeated heavyweights, and again you can't blame Wlad for other fighters not being as good as him.
his height and reach just help him hold and lean better
I know he can only beat what's in front of him, but Heavyweight Boxing has become a joke, considering it's supposed to be the premier division of such a popular and lucrative sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongA 147 lb version of Wlad would do just fine given he still had height and reach advantages because that's the basis for his tactics. He started out boxing in a crouch under the late Fritz Sdunek. Sdunek had him as a pressure fighter much like Freddie Roach attempted to make him and there was kind of an argument about that style when Wlad was saying Roach tried to make him into a 6'6 Mike Tyson thereby NOT playing to his strengths at all. Sure Wlad has the handspeed and power to use such a style, but it puts him in a position where it's easier not harder to hit him....not a bright move in boxing. Manny Steward's style which Wlad still uses has been great and to argue against that is idiotic, I mean ANY argument against Manny's tactics for Wlad would be asinine because look where it's gotten him. He was good before, now he's great.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
The opposition is laughable? Wlad has beaten any number of former Olympians and undefeated heavyweights, and again you can't blame Wlad for other fighters not being as good as him.
Would Rafael Nadal be held in the same regard as the likes of Sampras, Borg or Laver ifall his main rivals from the present era were 2 stone overweight? Wlad's problem is, we will never know how good he really is because the opposition just hasn't been there. How many future Hall of Famers has he beat? Again. not his fault, but when people are saying that he is mediocre, i think they are doing that comparably to the dominant heavyweight fighters of past generations, and i think they are correct.
Honestly, beating undefeated Heavyweight's and ex-olympians in today's era means zero. Audley Harrison was an Olympic Champion for god's sake. ;D
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Originally Posted by onoI know he can only beat what's in front of him, but Heavyweight Boxing has become a joke, considering it's supposed to be the premier division of such a popular and lucrative sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongA 147 lb version of Wlad would do just fine given he still had height and reach advantages because that's the basis for his tactics. He started out boxing in a crouch under the late Fritz Sdunek. Sdunek had him as a pressure fighter much like Freddie Roach attempted to make him and there was kind of an argument about that style when Wlad was saying Roach tried to make him into a 6'6 Mike Tyson thereby NOT playing to his strengths at all. Sure Wlad has the handspeed and power to use such a style, but it puts him in a position where it's easier not harder to hit him....not a bright move in boxing. Manny Steward's style which Wlad still uses has been great and to argue against that is idiotic, I mean ANY argument against Manny's tactics for Wlad would be asinine because look where it's gotten him. He was good before, now he's great.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
The opposition is laughable? Wlad has beaten any number of former Olympians and undefeated heavyweights, and again you can't blame Wlad for other fighters not being as good as him.
Would Rafael Nadal be held in the same regard as the likes of Sampras, Borg or Laver ifall his main rivals from the present era were 2 stone overweight? Wlad's problem is, we will never know how good he really is because the opposition just hasn't been there. How many future Hall of Famers has he beat? Again. not his fault, but when people are saying that he is mediocre, i think they are doing that comparably to the dominant heavyweight fighters of past generations, and i think they are correct.
Honestly, beating undefeated Heavyweight's and ex-olympians in today's era means zero. Audley Harrison was an Olympic Champion for god's sake. ;D
Maybe Wlad should train his opposition and teach them how to beat him then? The heavyweights in the division like it or not are PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES no different than Wlad, only Wlad respects the sport and the fans enough to come in to every fight in shape.
Audley Harrison was also a fully developed man fighting guys in their teens and early 20's. Wlad won Gold, Povetkin won Gold....it means they have good amateur pedigrees but that doesn't automatically mean they'll be great in the pros. Look at Solis, he ruined his professional career.