1991 George Foreman KNOCKS OUT 1991 Mike Tyson

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by Douglas

Prior to Kevin Rooneys departure, Tyson wins (In my opinion, Tyson would've retired undefeated if he'd not fired Rooney).

But in the early 90's, Tyson would have the potential to win, but only if he has the sense to fight smart like Holyfield and Morrison did by sticking and moving and not standing still in front of him. However, and no offense to Mike, I don't think he would have. I believe eventually he would start brawling trying to knock Foreman out, and WHAM! Down in one punch.

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Tyson beat Ruddock who was more dangerous at the time than Foreman. If he can stand and trade with that puncher, Tyson could do it against Big George. Prime Tyson moved to the sides but this 24 year old version was less disciplined which was why the fights with Donovan were tough fights.

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Ruddock made his name off of a devastating knockout of a shot Dokes and two losses vs Tyson. He was a one arm fighter with poor stamina, no jab, a decent chin (at best) and compketely one dimensional. No way was Ruddock EVER more of a threat than George. Lennox destroyed the Ruddock myth inside of three rounds.

Tyson was never overly impressive when the other guy could take his punches, and George had a great chin and excellent durability. Tyson won't jab n move like he needed to, or fight the counter punching fight that Evander did. George pushes Mike back, manhandles him and punishes him for the late stoppage. Style wise this is a horrible match up for Tyson.

The hard boxing facts in this thread have humiliated Ron Swanson and Vendettos, and they have disappeared from the thread out of being shamed by the boxing experts here in this thread. Now the thread is devoid of those 2 guys and it is a better thread now without them. They were like a computer virus and we boxing experts were like Norton Anti-Virus Software. They have been eradicated now.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by Douglas

Prior to Kevin Rooneys departure, Tyson wins (In my opinion, Tyson would've retired undefeated if he'd not fired Rooney).

But in the early 90's, Tyson would have the potential to win, but only if he has the sense to fight smart like Holyfield and Morrison did by sticking and moving and not standing still in front of him. However, and no offense to Mike, I don't think he would have. I believe eventually he would start brawling trying to knock Foreman out, and WHAM! Down in one punch.

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Tyson beat Ruddock who was more dangerous at the time than Foreman. If he can stand and trade with that puncher, Tyson could do it against Big George. Prime Tyson moved to the sides but this 24 year old version was less disciplined which was why the fights with Donovan were tough fights.

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Ruddock made his name off of a devastating knockout of a shot Dokes and two losses vs Tyson. He was a one arm fighter with poor stamina, no jab, a decent chin (at best) and compketely one dimensional. No way was Ruddock EVER more of a threat than George. Lennox destroyed the Ruddock myth inside of three rounds.

Tyson was never overly impressive when the other guy could take his punches, and George had a great chin and excellent durability. Tyson won't jab n move like he needed to, or fight the counter punching fight that Evander did. George pushes Mike back, manhandles him and punishes him for the late stoppage. Style wise this is a horrible match up for Tyson.

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Style wise, it's a perfect match up for Tyson.

A big, slow guy who is massive and an easy target. Tyson wouldn't have been able to miss him! 1991 Foreman was nothing more than an even slower Frank Bruno but with a decent chin. Foreman would have taken an absolute beating. He couldn't even knock out Alex Stewart for crying out loud. Tyson had a very good chin and there's no way he's going down from the tiny number of punches Foreman would have managed to land.

Ruddock was never the same after his fights with Tyson. Tyson hit him with every punch under the sun and broke his jaw. In those days, plenty of fighters were never the same again after Tyson was finished with them. 1991 Ruddock is a far more dangerous opponent than a lumbering and fat George Foreman.

Rudduck was SOOOOO dangerous that he never became the lineal heavyweight champion of the world.....unlike "fat lumbering" George Foreman :rolleyes:

Foreman lasted 12 with Holyfield...that's 12 in 1 fight.....Tyson lasted 14 in two fights vs Evander. But obviously Holyfield punched harder than Big George right?

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Rudduck was SOOOOO dangerous that he never became the lineal heavyweight champion of the world.....unlike "fat lumbering" George Foreman :rolleyes:

Foreman lasted 12 with Holyfield...that's 12 in 1 fight.....Tyson lasted 14 in two fights vs Evander. But obviously Holyfield punched harder than Big George right?

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Lovely mixing up of fighters, you know better.

Tysonesque says it all. I can do no better.

We Tyson backers rest our case!

Imagine if Ali chilled out on the ropes for 8 rounds against a Prime Tyson? ;D

Here's the thing though 'Big' George in his comeback was never knocked down, never KO'd, never stopped at all...the guys that beat 40+ year old Foreman had to stick and move....and that kind of fight ain't to Mike Tyson's strength.

Now Tyson on the other hand, when he was beaten he was beaten by guys who took what he threw, fired back, and didn't back down.....hmmmm who does THAT remind me of?


Could Tyson's power have affected Foreman? Sure. Could Foreman's power have affected Tyson? ABSOLUTELY! Who had the better chin at that point? That's up for debate actually.


I say Foreman wins because everything mentally and psychologically that was irking Tyson, Foreman had already been through and come to grips with....Foreman wasn't the same after losing to Ali UNTIL his comeback and even then he didn't want to hurt anyone but once he got back in the groove he was better than ever. Tyson really never recovered that we could see, he was still a good fighter, but the peak of the division eluded him....it didn't elude Foreman.

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Originally Posted by ono

Imagine if Ali chilled out on the ropes for 8 rounds against a Prime Tyson? ;D

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Ali wouldn't have lasted 2 rounds doing that shit. Tyson's speed would have ate him alive. He'd destroy him with that brilliant right hook body, right uppercut combo.

Tyson had the speed of Ali with the power of George Foreman... what a combination!

It might have been a good thing for Ali though Tyson would have smashed him so bad he probably would have retired without the extra 5 years of taking punishment, and maybe he could have had a better quality of life after boxing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjCCJJf2Zfk

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Here's the thing though 'Big' George in his comeback was never knocked down, never KO'd, never stopped at all...the guys that beat 40+ year old Foreman had to stick and move....and that kind of fight ain't to Mike Tyson's strength.

Now Tyson on the other hand, when he was beaten he was beaten by guys who took what he threw, fired back, and didn't back down.....hmmmm who does THAT remind me of?


Could Tyson's power have affected Foreman? Sure. Could Foreman's power have affected Tyson? ABSOLUTELY! Who had the better chin at that point? That's up for debate actually.


I say Foreman wins because everything mentally and psychologically that was irking Tyson, Foreman had already been through and come to grips with....Foreman wasn't the same after losing to Ali UNTIL his comeback and even then he didn't want to hurt anyone but once he got back in the groove he was better than ever. Tyson really never recovered that we could see, he was still a good fighter, but the peak of the division eluded him....it didn't elude Foreman.

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I defiantly understand where you are coming from Foreman had a sold chin but even this version of Tyson could put some damage on George. A peak Tyson would not have stood in front of George. Tyson punched and moved from different sides. George would try and push Tyson back but that would not cause Mike the distress it cause Frazier because Tyson had more to his skills than Joe.

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Originally Posted by Master

I defiantly understand where you are coming from Foreman had a sold chin but even this version of Tyson could put some damage on George. A peak Tyson would not have stood in front of George. Tyson punched and moved from different sides. George would try and push Tyson back but that would not cause Mike the distress it cause Frazier because Tyson had more to his skills than Joe.

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Really? Foreman steered Frazier not because Frazier was unskilled, it was because Frazier was rushing in and Foreman turned him, pivoted, and let the bombs go before Joe had reset himself. Tyson might have quicker feet but again Foreman had the longer arms, longer reach, it would be like the Falkland Islands.....Foreman would set up outside of Tyson's range and let loose on him....could Tyson bob and weave his way inside....maybe but there George can tie him up and lean on him or ole Tyson to the side the way he did Joe and the manner in which he did that gave Frazier no chance to retaliate, it threw him off balance and he had to completely reset and work his way back in vs George. Tyson used angles, yes, but he was NEVER a fighter who fought going backwards like an Ali or Lennox Lewis, or Klitschko brother....Tyson was never the stick and move sweet science guy. Did he have good defense? Sure, but his defense was a high guard and head movement, not using his footwork to get out of the way. Similarly Joe Frazier was never a guy that used footwork to get out of the way it was a Philly Shell/Cross block defense and continuous headmovement.

Tyson would connect on Foreman, but at GREAT risk to being caught on the way in...and on the way in Tyson would have to avoid the 1-2 of Foreman and once in Tyson would have to avoid the uppercut. Once inside how does Tyson work out? Tyson would typically rip off a combination and tie up or if the combination did damage he'd circle to a side to let loose another combination....tying up vs any version of Foreman is bad news simply because he's bigger and stronger. Circling out even vs a hurt Foreman is tough because he had KO power in both hands and he could unload a punch that even if blocked would knock you so badly off balance that it would give George the chance to load up for another one.

I re-watched some of Foreman's comeback fights a few days ago. It was really impressive what he managed to do at his age. He was very ring savvy and very defensively sound: he read punches well and was able to cover up a lot of his body with those big ass arms of his.

To anyone that thinks he could keep Tyson from getting on the inside, you're dreaming though. Foreman couldn't keep anyone from getting in on the inside unless he caught them coming in.

We can talk about who did what, who beat who, who got punched by who, who fought someone comparable to who, ect ect ect. Giving em the old eye test (which is and always will be the best way to predict a fight), I just can't see Foreman winning. Mike had the speed and he had the defence. Foreman had some success with Holyfield (who tended to stand upright and was never hard to hit) and of course knocked out Moorer, a guy who had a weak chin and mediocre defence. I just can't see Foreman landing that much on Tyson, who was constantly bobbing back and forth. It's like, come on. Haha.

Frazier actually bobbed more than Tyson. George had good timing ;) No problem for him.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Master

I defiantly understand where you are coming from Foreman had a sold chin but even this version of Tyson could put some damage on George. A peak Tyson would not have stood in front of George. Tyson punched and moved from different sides. George would try and push Tyson back but that would not cause Mike the distress it cause Frazier because Tyson had more to his skills than Joe.

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Really? Foreman steered Frazier not because Frazier was unskilled, it was because Frazier was rushing in and Foreman turned him, pivoted, and let the bombs go before Joe had reset himself. Tyson might have quicker feet but again Foreman had the longer arms, longer reach, it would be like the Falkland Islands.....Foreman would set up outside of Tyson's range and let loose on him....could Tyson bob and weave his way inside....maybe but there George can tie him up and lean on him or ole Tyson to the side the way he did Joe and the manner in which he did that gave Frazier no chance to retaliate, it threw him off balance and he had to completely reset and work his way back in vs George. Tyson used angles, yes, but he was NEVER a fighter who fought going backwards like an Ali or Lennox Lewis, or Klitschko brother....Tyson was never the stick and move sweet science guy. Did he have good defense? Sure, but his defense was a high guard and head movement, not using his footwork to get out of the way. Similarly Joe Frazier was never a guy that used footwork to get out of the way it was a Philly Shell/Cross block defense and continuous headmovement.

Tyson would connect on Foreman, but at GREAT risk to being caught on the way in...and on the way in Tyson would have to avoid the 1-2 of Foreman and once in Tyson would have to avoid the uppercut. Once inside how does Tyson work out? Tyson would typically rip off a combination and tie up or if the combination did damage he'd circle to a side to let loose another combination....tying up vs any version of Foreman is bad news simply because he's bigger and stronger. Circling out even vs a hurt Foreman is tough because he had KO power in both hands and he could unload a punch that even if blocked would knock you so badly off balance that it would give George the chance to load up for another one.

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You are describing a young Foreman, this old George was slower and more vulnerable.

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Originally Posted by Master

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I defiantly understand where you are coming from Foreman had a sold chin but even this version of Tyson could put some damage on George. A peak Tyson would not have stood in front of George. Tyson punched and moved from different sides. George would try and push Tyson back but that would not cause Mike the distress it cause Frazier because Tyson had more to his skills than Joe.

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Really? Foreman steered Frazier not because Frazier was unskilled, it was because Frazier was rushing in and Foreman turned him, pivoted, and let the bombs go before Joe had reset himself. Tyson might have quicker feet but again Foreman had the longer arms, longer reach, it would be like the Falkland Islands.....Foreman would set up outside of Tyson's range and let loose on him....could Tyson bob and weave his way inside....maybe but there George can tie him up and lean on him or ole Tyson to the side the way he did Joe and the manner in which he did that gave Frazier no chance to retaliate, it threw him off balance and he had to completely reset and work his way back in vs George. Tyson used angles, yes, but he was NEVER a fighter who fought going backwards like an Ali or Lennox Lewis, or Klitschko brother....Tyson was never the stick and move sweet science guy. Did he have good defense? Sure, but his defense was a high guard and head movement, not using his footwork to get out of the way. Similarly Joe Frazier was never a guy that used footwork to get out of the way it was a Philly Shell/Cross block defense and continuous headmovement.

Tyson would connect on Foreman, but at GREAT risk to being caught on the way in...and on the way in Tyson would have to avoid the 1-2 of Foreman and once in Tyson would have to avoid the uppercut. Once inside how does Tyson work out? Tyson would typically rip off a combination and tie up or if the combination did damage he'd circle to a side to let loose another combination....tying up vs any version of Foreman is bad news simply because he's bigger and stronger. Circling out even vs a hurt Foreman is tough because he had KO power in both hands and he could unload a punch that even if blocked would knock you so badly off balance that it would give George the chance to load up for another one.

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You are describing a young Foreman, this old George was slower and more vulnerable.

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And you were saying "A peak Tyson"....in 1991 Mike Tyson wasn't ripping off combinations, he wasn't moving his head all the time, he was a knock out or get knocked out fighter. I don't see Tyson knocking out any version of George Foreman. Tyson's best bet, his very best bet would be to out point an old Foreman....but I don't think he was psychologically strong enough to do that and I don't think he trained hard enough to earn a win like that.

But hey you see it your way I see it my way, I just think with everything Tyson went through it was more fresh in his mind than it was in George's mind and I see that hurting Tyson.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Frazier actually bobbed more than Tyson. George had good timing ;) No problem for him.

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He bobbed up and down, which left him open for the uppercut!

Tyson went side to side, where Foreman's punches would slide by the wayside.

George Foreman is one of the strongest men of all time, a true physical freak!

Badder than old King Kong! Meaner than a junkyard dog.

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I defiantly understand where you are coming from Foreman had a sold chin but even this version of Tyson could put some damage on George. A peak Tyson would not have stood in front of George. Tyson punched and moved from different sides. George would try and push Tyson back but that would not cause Mike the distress it cause Frazier because Tyson had more to his skills than Joe.

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Really? Foreman steered Frazier not because Frazier was unskilled, it was because Frazier was rushing in and Foreman turned him, pivoted, and let the bombs go before Joe had reset himself. Tyson might have quicker feet but again Foreman had the longer arms, longer reach, it would be like the Falkland Islands.....Foreman would set up outside of Tyson's range and let loose on him....could Tyson bob and weave his way inside....maybe but there George can tie him up and lean on him or ole Tyson to the side the way he did Joe and the manner in which he did that gave Frazier no chance to retaliate, it threw him off balance and he had to completely reset and work his way back in vs George. Tyson used angles, yes, but he was NEVER a fighter who fought going backwards like an Ali or Lennox Lewis, or Klitschko brother....Tyson was never the stick and move sweet science guy. Did he have good defense? Sure, but his defense was a high guard and head movement, not using his footwork to get out of the way. Similarly Joe Frazier was never a guy that used footwork to get out of the way it was a Philly Shell/Cross block defense and continuous headmovement.

Tyson would connect on Foreman, but at GREAT risk to being caught on the way in...and on the way in Tyson would have to avoid the 1-2 of Foreman and once in Tyson would have to avoid the uppercut. Once inside how does Tyson work out? Tyson would typically rip off a combination and tie up or if the combination did damage he'd circle to a side to let loose another combination....tying up vs any version of Foreman is bad news simply because he's bigger and stronger. Circling out even vs a hurt Foreman is tough because he had KO power in both hands and he could unload a punch that even if blocked would knock you so badly off balance that it would give George the chance to load up for another one.

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You are describing a young Foreman, this old George was slower and more vulnerable.

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And you were saying "A peak Tyson"....in 1991 Mike Tyson wasn't ripping off combinations, he wasn't moving his head all the time, he was a knock out or get knocked out fighter. I don't see Tyson knocking out any version of George Foreman. Tyson's best bet, his very best bet would be to out point an old Foreman....but I don't think he was psychologically strong enough to do that and I don't think he trained hard enough to earn a win like that.

But hey you see it your way I see it my way, I just think with everything Tyson went through it was more fresh in his mind than it was in George's mind and I see that hurting Tyson.

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Agreed it was not a peak Tyson who did throw devastating combinations but he was not that far off that he could not fight good hard 12 rounds. That is why I think it would possibly go the distance but Tyson could stop a bruised and battered Old George Foreman.

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Frazier actually bobbed more than Tyson. George had good timing ;) No problem for him.

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He bobbed up and down, which left him open for the uppercut!

Tyson went side to side, where Foreman's punches would slide by the wayside.

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Show me/name one fight where Tyson maintained his head movement/bob and weave past the sixth round, even when he was with Kevin Rooney. The eye test should tell you that while Tyson was impressive vs scared fighters and/or guys with weak chins, he lost interest and became discouraged after 6 or 7 rounds. When guys were still fighting back after 6 or 7 and trying to win, he lost. George makes it 6 or 7 for sure and is still trying to knock his head off. George in the later rounds by knockout.

Match Tyson against Ken Norton, Alex Stewart, Tommy Morrison, Michael Moorer, Jeremy Williams...etc., and the guy will look unbeatable. Put him in with Evander, George Foreman, Ali...etc., n he gets beat. Styles make fights.

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Frazier actually bobbed more than Tyson. George had good timing ;) No problem for him.

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He bobbed up and down, which left him open for the uppercut!

Tyson went side to side, where Foreman's punches would slide by the wayside.

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Show me/name one fight where Tyson maintained his head movement/bob and weave past the sixth round, even when he was with Kevin Rooney. The eye test should tell you that while Tyson was impressive vs scared fighters and/or guys with weak chins, he lost interest and became discouraged after 6 or 7 rounds. When guys were still fighting back after 6 or 7 and trying to win, he lost. George makes it 6 or 7 for sure and is still trying to knock his head off. George in the later rounds by knockout.

Match Tyson against Ken Norton, Alex Stewart, Tommy Morrison, Michael Moorer, Jeremy Williams...etc., and the guy will look unbeatable. Put him in with Evander, George Foreman, Ali...etc., n he gets beat. Styles make fights.

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Tyson could fight past 6 rounds, Tucker was an good example of fighting at a good intense pace for 12 rounds. Foreman did tire as well and was not renowned for his great stamina.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Frazier actually bobbed more than Tyson. George had good timing ;) No problem for him.

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He bobbed up and down, which left him open for the uppercut!

Tyson went side to side, where Foreman's punches would slide by the wayside.

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Well if we're talking Prime v Prime then Foreman would utilize the hooks and overhand right. Also the uppercut would still be in play as Foreman moved himself into position to land them. Frazier's up and down head movement was accompanied by his hands moving to slip punches off the sides of his guard....Foreman just landed with such authority blocking the punches was an exercise in futility.

Now Old vs veteran Tyson....George allows Tyson to throw, he fires back with 1-2 big shots in retaliation, but allows Tyson to tire himself out. Lots of pitter patting with the right and left just touching up Tyson, bothering him, making him move his head, making him work his way in, and then comes the 1-2...there's a pause in the action and big uppercut comes in. Older Foreman paces himself, covers up well, lands not often, but EFFECTIVELY and if he catches you coming in then nobody is waking you back up.

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Show me/name one fight where Tyson maintained his head movement/bob and weave past the sixth round, even when he was with Kevin Rooney.

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Bonecrusher Smith, Blood Green and Tony Tucker off the top of my head. You can watch all those fights on Youtube, and you'll see that Mike would still slip punches with side to side head movement and use it to come in. Did he use it as prominently as he did perhaps in the earlier rounds? Probably not, but I don't remember him abandoning it completely.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Well if we're talking Prime v Prime then Foreman would utilize the hooks and overhand right. Also the uppercut would still be in play as Foreman moved himself into position to land them. Frazier's up and down head movement was accompanied by his hands moving to slip punches off the sides of his guard....Foreman just landed with such authority blocking the punches was an exercise in futility.

Now Old vs veteran Tyson....George allows Tyson to throw, he fires back with 1-2 big shots in retaliation, but allows Tyson to tire himself out. Lots of pitter patting with the right and left just touching up Tyson, bothering him, making him move his head, making him work his way in, and then comes the 1-2...there's a pause in the action and big uppercut comes in. Older Foreman paces himself, covers up well, lands not often, but EFFECTIVELY and if he catches you coming in then nobody is waking you back up.

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In what world does a 6'4'', 80" reach Foreman utilize an overhand right against a 5'10'' CROUCHING peek-a-boo style fighter who also tends to dip to each side when coming in? I can't even picture it.

If Foreman did any work against Tyson it would be with the jab, straight right, that right kidney punch he threw and that great left uppercut he threw on the inside.

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Show me/name one fight where Tyson maintained his head movement/bob and weave past the sixth round, even when he was with Kevin Rooney.

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Bonecrusher Smith, Blood Green and Tony Tucker off the top of my head. You can watch all those fights on Youtube, and you'll see that Mike would still slip punches with side to side head movement and use it to come in. Did he use it as prominently as he did perhaps in the earlier rounds? Probably not, but I don't remember him abandoning it completely.

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We remember those fights differently then. Mike was frustrated and in the bonecrusher fight and slowed down In the mid to late rounds of the Tucker fight. No one can keep that frenetic pace (punches and head movement) for twelve rounds, especially at the speed and power Tyson worked at. George had issues with taller boxers who had effective jabs and moved laterally (or rolled well with his punches off the ropes) and excelled against guys who came at him. Tyson had issues with larger men who could take his punches (Tucker, Smith, Douglas, Lewis...etc) and excelled at guys he intimidated or could stretch with one punch (Spinks, Seldon, Bruno, Stewart...etc). I respect the different opinions, just see things differently than you guys do, I guess. Don't think I'm biased on this one though, I think both guys are/were great...

Bro you gotta watch those fights again, go on Youtube and skip to the 7th round of each, Tyson was moving his head. He'd start fighting in spurts like anyone else but he was never a sitting duck for punishment (except in the Douglas fight). He could get frustrated and resigned to the fact that he couldn't get a particular guy out of there, but he was always winning those rounds. I never saw him give up.

George was a big dude and would have some serious weight on Tyson and definitely could have got to Tyson. I just don't see Foreman as the unstoppable wrecking ball that you guys do. If the Morrison fight had never happened, and I came on here and told you that Tommy Morrison would have whipped Foreman and won just about every round, you'd say I was crazy, Morrison was not a great boxer, didn't have great defence, had a glass jaw and never would have made round 6th with George. Foreman had his flaws and he struggled hard when he stepped up in competition.

Again Tommy Morrison didn't fight like Tommy Morrison when he fought Foreman. ...he boxed, he moved. Things that were NEVER in Tyson's repertoire.

As for the overhand right...Tyson bobs and weaves, yes but that slows over the course of a fight and fighters can start to time their opponents.

If Foreman got past 3 rounds vs Tyson then Foreman would have KO'd Tyson.

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George Foreman was and still is a freak, his power is indescribable, his chin was better than Tyson's or Ali's. Tyson is not going to knock out George Foreman. Ron Lyle knocked Goerge Foreman down 3 times for 5 and 6 counts, once for an 8 count, and staggered him another half dozen times. ANY OTHER FIGHTER BESIDES FOREMAN would have been knocked cold by Lyle's shots.

Mike Tyson didn't hit as hard as people like to think. Larry Holmes said that EARNIE SHAVERS HIT MUCH HARDER THAN TYSON, that when Shavers hit him and knocked him down it was "like those old time flash bulb cameras, all I saw was this bright white flash and I don't remember anything until the ref was saying "Five! Six!".

But Holmes said Tyson's power came mostly from his incredible hand-speed, that it was more the surprise of the shot than the sheer brute force of the shot that Tyson benefited from. Foreman's left jab is about 20 times more powerful than Tyson's left jab. George Foreman staggered Evander Holyfield with a single left jab in their fight.

ANY George Foreman 1973 or 1991 IS THE WRONG STYLE MATCH-UP for Mike Tyson the Midget.

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Mike Tyson didn't hit as hard as people like to think. Larry Holmes said that EARNIE SHAVERS HIT MUCH HARDER THAN TYSON, that when Shavers hit him and knocked him down it was "like those old time flash bulb cameras, all I saw was this bright white flash and I don't remember anything until the ref was saying "Five! Six!".

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There's the big point though: Earnie Shavers' punch couldn't stop Holmes, but Tyson battered him around the ring and knocked him out cold in 4 rounds.

Tyson didn't have the raw strength of Shavers or Foreman, that's true, but he was a MUCH better puncher than those guys, because he had the speed and the combinations.

So is Tyson's punch as hard as Shavers, Foreman, or Lyle, when you're looking at one punch? Maybe not, but Tyson hits you with 2 or 3 punches in the time it takes those three to hit you with one punch. Tyson's speed and timing also means he's hitting you with punches that you don't see coming. It's like Manny Pacquaio: it's not that he was the heaviest handed guy in the division, but guys get hit with punches they don't see coming and they go down.

Tyson's power could knock out Foreman, especially an old slow one at that.

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Tyson's power could knock out Foreman, especially an old slow one at that.

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What of Foreman's power? How would Tyson handle that?

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Tyson's power could knock out Foreman, especially an old slow one at that.

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What of Foreman's power? How would Tyson handle that?

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If Morrison could, why not Tyson?

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Tyson's power could knock out Foreman, especially an old slow one at that.

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What of Foreman's power? How would Tyson handle that?

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Anyone caught with Foreman's power at that age deserves to be knocked out.

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Tyson's power could knock out Foreman, especially an old slow one at that.

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What of Foreman's power? How would Tyson handle that?

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Anyone caught with Foreman's power at that age deserves to be knocked out.

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So let's say this fight goes at least 8 rounds....Would Foreman hurt Tyson? Would he knock Tyson down? I mean he rocked the shit out of Holyfield and obviously Evander had a great chin....but if he rocked Tyson and Mike staggered a bit and Foreman threw with ill intentions what would happen?

At some point Foreman would undoubtedly hit Tyson very hard, and Tyson would think "holy shit this old guy hits hard"... but if Holyfield, Stewart, Morrison, ect could get hit and keep going, why not Iron Mike? He had a world class chin.

Tyson took Tuckers uppercut, Bonecrushers right hand, Bruno left hook and Ruddock's smash.

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Originally Posted by Master

Tyson took Tuckers uppercut, Bonecrushers right hand, Bruno left hook and Ruddock's smash.

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For sure, and it has to be said too that not only did he have a great chin, he was one of those guys who would get hit very hard and be able to keep his composure. You're not just going to one-punch him unconscious like Michael Moorer, it was going to take a consistent, accumulative attack.

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Originally Posted by Master

Tyson took Tuckers uppercut, Bonecrushers right hand, Bruno left hook and Ruddock's smash.

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That's not answering the question I posed. Also Tucker broker his hand, Bonecrusher shook Mike, Bruno CERTAINLY rocked the shit out of Mike, and Rudduck rocked Tyson several times in their two matches.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

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Originally Posted by Master

Tyson took Tuckers uppercut, Bonecrushers right hand, Bruno left hook and Ruddock's smash.

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For sure, and it has to be said too that not only did he have a great chin, he was one of those guys who would get hit very hard and be able to keep his composure. You're not just going to one-punch him unconscious like Michael Moorer, it was going to take a consistent, accumulative attack.

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Certainly it would have to be accumulative (also paired with fatigue) which is why Foreman would have been very dangerous for Tyson. Foreman would pitter pat, he'd just touch Tyson up, and then he'd drop the hammer and it would take a second or two for Mike to recover but soon as he's recovering another big punch is coming.

At that point in his career George Foreman was like high tide....one wave would hit you and as you get back up another one would wipe you out, then another and another....maybe Tyson could steady himself quicker than most, but all it would take for him to get in real trouble is to be wobbly when Foreman was loading back up for another blow.....Foreman as an older fighter was a master of timing, space, and accuracy.

Just seen Foreman v Lyle and George had little technique and a lot of power. The younger version was fitter and far more dangerous than the guy that made the comeback.