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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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TitoFan
So I presume you're the lone "Floyd disliker". ;D
At least then you're truer to yourself than Rocco, who after all his Floyd rah-rah cheerleading, didn't have the "cojones" (as you said about Floyd) to call himself even a "Floyd fan", putting himself down as a Category "C". Bah! He's got "Floyd lover" written all over his face, not to mention probably some intimate Floyd tattoos elsewhere.
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I like Trinidad but Floyd beats him a WW, and that's the truth!
I know that doesn't have anything to do with the convo at hand... I just wanted to put it out there! ;D
I see you at least qualified that with "WW", 'cause we both know Floyd wouldn't stand a chance at 154. However...... ;D...... I wouldn't be so quick to agree with 147, either. I think Trinidad would've pressed Floyd and made him show some offense over the 12 rounds. Not like a Canelo, whose offense was nonexistent, or a Pac, whose offense was woefully ineffective... his shots didn't have much power. It would've been interesting.
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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TitoFan
I see you at least qualified that with "WW", 'cause we both know Floyd wouldn't stand a chance at 154. However...... ;D...... I wouldn't be so quick to agree with 147, either. I think Trinidad would've pressed Floyd and made him show some offense over the 12 rounds. Not like a Canelo, whose offense was nonexistent, or a Pac, whose offense was woefully ineffective... his shots didn't have much power. It would've been interesting.
I think Floyd takes him at 154 too. Wasn't the weight, Floyd was just a much better boxer and I don't think Floyd gets hit with left hooks.
As far as MW goes... I don't think Floyd could make the limit!
Trinidad's offence was virtually non existent against the best boxers he fought I think.
I like Tito though, I been rewatching a lot of his fights lately. Great puncher. Viva Puerto Rico!
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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Beanflicker
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TitoFan
I see you at least qualified that with "WW", 'cause we both know Floyd wouldn't stand a chance at 154. However...... ;D...... I wouldn't be so quick to agree with 147, either. I think Trinidad would've pressed Floyd and made him show some offense over the 12 rounds. Not like a Canelo, whose offense was nonexistent, or a Pac, whose offense was woefully ineffective... his shots didn't have much power. It would've been interesting.
I think Floyd takes him at 154 too. Wasn't the weight, Floyd was just a much better boxer and I don't think Floyd gets hit with left hooks.
As far as MW goes... I don't think Floyd could make the limit!
Trinidad's offence was virtually non existent against the best boxers he fought I think.
I like Tito though, I been rewatching a lot of his fights lately. Great puncher. Viva Puerto Rico!
Lousy Don King imitation. ;D
Anyway... we'll just professionally disagree on all counts.
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
Tito probably wouldn't even hit Floyd twice!
Floyd would have been able to move around freely while Tito got set up on that front foot...by the time he was ready to throw Floyd would be on his other side and countering effortlessly.
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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TitoFan
Lousy Don King imitation. ;D
Anyway... we'll just professionally disagree on all counts.
You don't think Tito was a great puncher?? :o
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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Lousy Don King imitation. ;D
Anyway... we'll just professionally disagree on all counts.
You don't think Tito was a great puncher?? :o
No I don't.
I think he was TBE puncher. :)
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
Well he's had/has a good career in boxing, But i do believe me and floyd could be friend, i think we both likes to party and he can probably host some really good ones. He probably outbox me but i will probably outdrink him :)
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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ruthless rocco
Tito probably wouldn't even hit Floyd twice!
Floyd would have been able to move around freely while Tito got set up on that front foot...by the time he was ready to throw Floyd would be on his other side and countering effortlessly.
You make it sound like Trinidad would be fighting underwater, while Floyd would be fighting in fast forward. Both are exaggerated.
As far as the # of shots..... twice may be all it takes.
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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TitoFan
No I don't.
I think he was TBE puncher. :)
I heard he had loaded wraps though
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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Beanflicker
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TitoFan
No I don't.
I think he was TBE puncher. :)
I heard he had loaded wraps though
You gotta quit getting your information from the National Enquirer. ;)
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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No I don't.
I think he was TBE puncher. :)
I heard he had loaded wraps though
No loaded wraps, no power. Just watch the Hopkins fight. It's as if Tito knew he didn't have power in his punches. Kinda like how Pacquiao just seemed to know that he couldn't beat Floyd.
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
He didn't really land much on Hopkins though, did he? It's been awhile since I seen the fight.
Hopkins said DLH laid the blueprint to beat Trinidad and I guess he was right.
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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No I don't.
I think he was TBE puncher. :)
I heard he had loaded wraps though
No loaded wraps, no power. Just watch the Hopkins fight. It's as if Tito knew he didn't have power in his punches. Kinda like how Pacquiao just seemed to know that he couldn't beat Floyd.
The wraps were not loaded. Its a crock and why involve Tito? Since you did he would give Floyd one hell of a go at 147. This wrap garbage needs to be chucked cause its one of those urban legends that continues long after it was exposed as a crock. Roach used to wrap Oscars hands using twisted packing tape and nobody cried about that. Tito's dad changed direction with some gauze and people act like he pulled a Panama Lewis.
I stick up for Floyd as much as anyone and appreciate the mans pugilistic prowess but I can honestly criticize him also or question his history etc etc w/o feeling torn about it.
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
I never really knew the truth. I heard people say they were loaded, some people said they weren't. I myself don't know what constitutes and illegal hand wrap in boxing to be honest, other than you're not allowed to add cement to your wrap like Margacheato did.
It seems a bit ridiculous to think that a bit of extra tape or whatever the fuck it is, is going to suddenly turn a guy into a murderous puncher. Tito had great technique on that left hook.
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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ruthless rocco
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No I don't.
I think he was TBE puncher. :)
I heard he had loaded wraps though
No loaded wraps, no power. Just watch the Hopkins fight. It's as if Tito knew he didn't have power in his punches. Kinda like how Pacquiao just seemed to know that he couldn't beat Floyd.
The wraps were not loaded. Its a crock and why involve Tito? Since you did he would give Floyd one hell of a go at 147. This wrap garbage needs to be chucked cause its one of those urban legends that continues long after it was exposed as a crock. Roach used to wrap Oscars hands using twisted packing tape and nobody cried about that. Tito's dad changed direction with some gauze and people act like he pulled a Panama Lewis.
I stick up for Floyd as much as anyone and appreciate the mans pugilistic prowess but I can honestly criticize him also or question his history etc etc w/o feeling torn about it.
The hands had to be re-wrapped for a reason...
In a post fight interview Papa Trinidad said that his special hand wrapping style gave Tito extra power--extra power that was missing when they had to re-wrap his hands.
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
Tito was fighting a great fighter at middleweight and Hopkins was probably at his peak which is any he made Tito look average, no shame there.
I believe Tito, ike and Sweat Pea would have beaten Floyd in a close fight. They were legitamte welterweight champions.
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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ruthless rocco
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No I don't.
I think he was TBE puncher. :)
I heard he had loaded wraps though
No loaded wraps, no power. Just watch the Hopkins fight. It's as if Tito knew he didn't have power in his punches. Kinda like how Pacquiao just seemed to know that he couldn't beat Floyd.
The wraps were not loaded. Its a crock and why involve Tito? Since you did he would give Floyd one hell of a go at 147. This wrap garbage needs to be chucked cause its one of those urban legends that continues long after it was exposed as a crock. Roach used to wrap Oscars hands using twisted packing tape and nobody cried about that. Tito's dad changed direction with some gauze and people act like he pulled a Panama Lewis.
I stick up for Floyd as much as anyone and appreciate the mans pugilistic prowess but I can honestly criticize him also or question his history etc etc w/o feeling torn about it.
The hands had to be re-wrapped for a reason...
In a post fight interview Papa Trinidad said that his special hand wrapping style gave Tito extra power--extra power that was missing when they had to re-wrap his hands.
If Trinidad Sr. factually said that, I'd like to read it. He only speaks Spanish, so please provide the exact quote..... I'll be able to read it. ;)
Not putting your words into question (yes I am)..... but then again you also claim that Floyd is a great humanitarian and cares more about the health and well-being of fellow athletes than about money and fame.
;)
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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If Trinidad Sr. factually said that, I'd like to read it. He only speaks Spanish, so please provide the exact quote..... I'll be able to read it. ;)
Not putting your words into question (yes I am)..... but then again you also claim that Floyd is a great humanitarian and cares more about the health and well-being of fellow athletes than about money and fame.
;)
You claim to be able to read but I'm skeptical of that.
You seem to have had trouble reading my posts. I've never called Floyd a humanitarian and you've misquoted me as saying Floyd "cares more about the health and well-being of fellow athletes than about money and fame". What I said was that Floyd cares about more than just money, he also cares about the health and well being of his fellow fighters.
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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ruthless rocco
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ruthless rocco
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No I don't.
I think he was TBE puncher. :)
I heard he had loaded wraps though
No loaded wraps, no power. Just watch the Hopkins fight. It's as if Tito knew he didn't have power in his punches. Kinda like how Pacquiao just seemed to know that he couldn't beat Floyd.
The wraps were not loaded. Its a crock and why involve Tito? Since you did he would give Floyd one hell of a go at 147. This wrap garbage needs to be chucked cause its one of those urban legends that continues long after it was exposed as a crock. Roach used to wrap Oscars hands using twisted packing tape and nobody cried about that. Tito's dad changed direction with some gauze and people act like he pulled a Panama Lewis.
I stick up for Floyd as much as anyone and appreciate the mans pugilistic prowess but I can honestly criticize him also or question his history etc etc w/o feeling torn about it.
The hands had to be re-wrapped for a reason...
In a post fight interview Papa Trinidad said that his special hand wrapping style gave Tito extra power--extra power that was missing when they had to re-wrap his hands.
If Trinidad Sr. factually said that, I'd like to read it. He only speaks Spanish,
so please provide the exact quote..... I'll be able to read it. ;)
Not putting your words into question (yes I am)..... but then again you also claim that Floyd is a great humanitarian and cares more about the health and well-being of fellow athletes than about money and fame.
;)
"Well, it got to us a little because, since I couldn’t place the tape that I usually place on Tito’s hand... I had to add some more gauze to make a type of pillow... This tends to take away some of the power in the punch." Papa Trinidad
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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I believe Tito, ike and Sweat Pea would have beaten Floyd in a close fight. They were legitamte welterweight champions.
I won't argue Ike and Sweat Pea, but how does Tito beat Floyd? Serious question. What do you see in Tito that you think would give him an advantage over Floyd. I mean I get he's a bigger guy, and he hits hard. Floyd's fought a lot of guys who were bigger and hit harder.
What would Tito's game plan be?
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
I like Sweatpea vs Floyd though. That's a toss up for sure.
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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I believe Tito, ike and Sweat Pea would have beaten Floyd in a close fight. They were legitamte welterweight champions.
I won't argue Ike and Sweat Pea, but how does Tito beat Floyd? Serious question. What do you see in Tito that you think would give him an advantage over Floyd. I mean I get he's a bigger guy, and he hits hard. Floyd's fought a lot of guys who were bigger and hit harder.
What would Tito's game plan be?
Tito was not only naturally bigger and punched harder he also was taller and had reach advantage. Floyd would have to fight the perfect fight and not get hit clean once, which he is more than capable of doing but does not punch sufficiently hard to deter Tito. I say Tito wins decision but would not be surprised if it was a stoppage.
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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Master
Tito was not only naturally bigger and punched harder he also was taller and had reach advantage. Floyd would have to fight the perfect fight and not get hit clean once, which he is more than capable of doing but does not punch sufficiently hard to deter Tito. I say Tito wins decision but would not be surprised if it was a stoppage.
I get that he's taller, bigger and punches harder, but how is he going to land those shots? Floyd's not Paulie in there, you can't just walk through his shots.
I'm not even saying you're wrong, I just want someone to explain it to me. Given all the trouble Tito has had with slick boxers who move well, I have no idea how Tito wins that fight save for landing a big bomb. Tito's big bomb was the left hook, Floyd doesn't get hit with left hooks. Tito's right was good but not great. Floyd has shown the ability to get hit and survive. Not sure how Tito wins this, seems like wishful thinking if anything.
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
Greatest defensive fighter , ring craftsman and technician of all time
Worst attacking champion of all time
What would Floyd do if an opponent just came out when the bell rang and leaned back on the ropes and waited ?
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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Beanflicker
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Master
Tito was not only naturally bigger and punched harder he also was taller and had reach advantage. Floyd would have to fight the perfect fight and not get hit clean once, which he is more than capable of doing but does not punch sufficiently hard to deter Tito. I say Tito wins decision but would not be surprised if it was a stoppage.
I get that he's taller, bigger and punches harder, but how is he going to land those shots? Floyd's not Paulie in there, you can't just walk through his shots.
I'm not even saying you're wrong, I just want someone to explain it to me. Given all the trouble Tito has had with slick boxers who move well, I have no idea how Tito wins that fight save for landing a big bomb. Tito's big bomb was the left hook, Floyd doesn't get hit with left hooks. Tito's right was good but not great. Floyd has shown the ability to get hit and survive. Not sure how Tito wins this, seems like wishful thinking if anything.
I'd argue that while Tito had a 1/2 inch reach advantage, Floyd's stance would not only negate it but he may actually have the reach advantage over Tito.
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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Greatest defensive fighter , ring craftsman and technician of all time
Worst attacking champion of all time
What would Floyd do if an opponent just came out when the bell rang and leaned back on the ropes and waited ?
Floyd would love that!
He'd get hit even less then if the opponent attacked him.
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
Someone on another site said that Canelo was green when Floyd fought him. That's ridiculous.
Canelo had 41 fights prior to Floyd. He wasn't green at all.
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Someone on another site said that Canelo was green when Floyd fought him. That's ridiculous.
Canelo had 41 fights prior to Floyd. He wasn't green at all.
Canelo was inept in that fight and should have used his size and strenght. He was forced to weigh 1lb less and that may have had some impact. ;)
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Someone on another site said that Canelo was green when Floyd fought him. That's ridiculous.
Canelo had 41 fights prior to Floyd. He wasn't green at all.
I say the same thing. It's not the sheer number of fights, it's the jump in class/exposure. Kid went to a mega fight without fighting the competition necessary to challenge the worlds best fighter. If you follow the sport, you know how high caliber the majority of those fights (especially in Mexico) were. Kid didn't even punch in that fight, just followed afloyd n got punched in his face. He froze in the moment.
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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Tito was not only naturally bigger and punched harder he also was taller and had reach advantage. Floyd would have to fight the perfect fight and not get hit clean once, which he is more than capable of doing but does not punch sufficiently hard to deter Tito. I say Tito wins decision but would not be surprised if it was a stoppage.
I get that he's taller, bigger and punches harder, but how is he going to land those shots? Floyd's not Paulie in there, you can't just walk through his shots.
I'm not even saying you're wrong, I just want someone to explain it to me. Given all the trouble Tito has had with slick boxers who move well, I have no idea how Tito wins that fight save for landing a big bomb. Tito's big bomb was the left hook, Floyd doesn't get hit with left hooks. Tito's right was good but not great. Floyd has shown the ability to get hit and survive. Not sure how Tito wins this, seems like wishful thinking if anything.
I'd argue that while Tito had a 1/2 inch reach advantage, Floyd's stance would not only negate it but he may actually have the reach advantage over Tito.
Damn!!!! You know a guy is great when he has a shorter reach by 1/2 inch and STILL somehow has the reach advantage. Great post Rocco, no way r u a Floyd chugger!!
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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ruthless rocco
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Tito was not only naturally bigger and punched harder he also was taller and had reach advantage. Floyd would have to fight the perfect fight and not get hit clean once, which he is more than capable of doing but does not punch sufficiently hard to deter Tito. I say Tito wins decision but would not be surprised if it was a stoppage.
I get that he's taller, bigger and punches harder, but how is he going to land those shots? Floyd's not Paulie in there, you can't just walk through his shots.
I'm not even saying you're wrong, I just want someone to explain it to me. Given all the trouble Tito has had with slick boxers who move well, I have no idea how Tito wins that fight save for landing a big bomb. Tito's big bomb was the left hook, Floyd doesn't get hit with left hooks. Tito's right was good but not great. Floyd has shown the ability to get hit and survive. Not sure how Tito wins this, seems like wishful thinking if anything.
I'd argue that while Tito had a 1/2 inch reach advantage,
Floyd's stance would not only negate it but he may actually have the reach advantage over Tito.
Damn!!!! You know a guy is great when he has a shorter reach by 1/2 inch and STILL somehow has the reach advantage. Great post Rocco, no way r u a Floyd chugger!!
I know you aren't very bright so I'll explain further. Mayweather has left shoulder forward type of stance that may give him a greater reach advantage over a more squared up Trinidad.
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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Tito was not only naturally bigger and punched harder he also was taller and had reach advantage. Floyd would have to fight the perfect fight and not get hit clean once, which he is more than capable of doing but does not punch sufficiently hard to deter Tito. I say Tito wins decision but would not be surprised if it was a stoppage.
I get that he's taller, bigger and punches harder, but how is he going to land those shots? Floyd's not Paulie in there, you can't just walk through his shots.
I'm not even saying you're wrong, I just want someone to explain it to me. Given all the trouble Tito has had with slick boxers who move well, I have no idea how Tito wins that fight save for landing a big bomb. Tito's big bomb was the left hook, Floyd doesn't get hit with left hooks. Tito's right was good but not great. Floyd has shown the ability to get hit and survive. Not sure how Tito wins this, seems like wishful thinking if anything.
I'd argue that while Tito had a 1/2 inch reach advantage,
Floyd's stance would not only negate it but he may actually have the reach advantage over Tito.
Damn!!!! You know a guy is great when he has a shorter reach by 1/2 inch and STILL somehow has the reach advantage. Great post Rocco, no way r u a Floyd chugger!!
I know you aren't very bright so I'll explain further. Mayweather has left shoulder forward type of stance that may give him a greater reach advantage over a more squared up Trinidad.
Rocco thinks Floyd walks on water ROFLMAO
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Tito was not only naturally bigger and punched harder he also was taller and had reach advantage. Floyd would have to fight the perfect fight and not get hit clean once, which he is more than capable of doing but does not punch sufficiently hard to deter Tito. I say Tito wins decision but would not be surprised if it was a stoppage.
I get that he's taller, bigger and punches harder, but how is he going to land those shots? Floyd's not Paulie in there, you can't just walk through his shots.
I'm not even saying you're wrong, I just want someone to explain it to me. Given all the trouble Tito has had with slick boxers who move well, I have no idea how Tito wins that fight save for landing a big bomb. Tito's big bomb was the left hook, Floyd doesn't get hit with left hooks. Tito's right was good but not great. Floyd has shown the ability to get hit and survive. Not sure how Tito wins this, seems like wishful thinking if anything.
I'd argue that while Tito had a 1/2 inch reach advantage,
Floyd's stance would not only negate it but he may actually have the reach advantage over Tito.
Damn!!!! You know a guy is great when he has a shorter reach by 1/2 inch and STILL somehow has the reach advantage. Great post Rocco, no way r u a Floyd chugger!!
I know you aren't very bright so I'll explain further. Mayweather has left shoulder forward type of stance that may give him a greater reach advantage over a more squared up Trinidad.
Rocco thinks Floyd walks on water ROFLMAO
Yep... The reach advantage and natural size difference has always been the key to beating Floyd, because he's never been at a disadvantage in either of those categories.
Try harder
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
Floyd is a quality fighter but could he have remained undisputed champion when Pernell, ike, Tito and Oscar were around at that time? No way, never mind Leonard, Hearns and Duran ( for the one fight at least).
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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I'd argue that while Tito had a 1/2 inch reach advantage, Floyd's stance would not only negate it but he may actually have the reach advantage over Tito.
That's a good point too. Tito was so upright in his stance.
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Damn!!!! You know a guy is great when he has a shorter reach by 1/2 inch and STILL somehow has the reach advantage. Great post Rocco, no way r u a Floyd chugger!!
It actually is a fair point made by Rocco.
If a guy is standing completely upright and a guy is leaning more forward like Floyd does, doesn't it stand to reason that the guy leaning forward can reach farther? Especially if the difference in total reach is only half an inch?
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Damn!!!! You know a guy is great when he has a shorter reach by 1/2 inch and STILL somehow has the reach advantage. Great post Rocco, no way r u a Floyd chugger!!
It actually is a fair point made by Rocco.
If a guy is standing completely upright and a guy is leaning more forward like Floyd does, doesn't it stand to reason that the guy leaning forward can reach farther? Especially if the difference in total reach is only half an inch?
Not being a jerk, but have you ever actually boxed before? Boxing "upright", or boxing "tall" is advantageous to the taller guy with the longer reach. Blading ur body as much as Floyd does and boxing out of a shoulder roll/crouch doesn't give u any kind of reach advantage. Look at how the Klits/Lewis fight for an example of fighting tall/upright and how effective that can be. Floyd's weapons against Tito would've been foot movement, angles/footwork, and speed. He would've landed the jab, as Hop and Oscar did, when Tito was setting his feet to punch, but if they throw jabs at the same time/speed, Tito lands his from farther away. Rocco is an idiot and rarely brings up any good points.
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
I voted boxing fan who likes Floyd. He's without a doubt the TBE in my opinion
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
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Not being a jerk, but have you ever actually boxed before? Boxing "upright", or boxing "tall" is advantageous to the taller guy with the longer reach. Blading ur body as much as Floyd does and boxing out of a shoulder roll/crouch doesn't give u any kind of reach advantage. Look at how the Klits/Lewis fight for an example of fighting tall/upright and how effective that can be. Floyd's weapons against Tito would've been foot movement, angles/footwork, and speed. He would've landed the jab, as Hop and Oscar did, when Tito was setting his feet to punch, but if they throw jabs at the same time/speed, Tito lands his from farther away. Rocco is an idiot and rarely brings up any good points.
Boxed and currently thai box.
Wasn't talking about Floyd standing upright in the shoulder roll, but a lot of the time he will lean forward on his lead foot.
Standing upright makes your head a farther target, but again doesn't it stand to reason that a man leaning slightly forward can reach farther than a man standing completely upright?
Either way, we're talking about a half inch reach advantage. It really is a moot point.
I'd be more interested in having someone explain to me how Tito beats Floyd. All anyone has ever come up with is that he's bigger and hits harder (a category in which pretty much all of Floyd's opponents fall into).
Are we just counting on Tito landing a hail mary left hook? Against probably the greatest defensive fighter in history? Can anyone tell me the last time Floyd took a hard left hook on the chin from an orthodox fighter?
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Re: Saddo poll - Where are you on Floyd
Floyd has never faced a one punch knock out artist like Tito. At welterweight he would get caught, hurt and stopped.
