Joshua and Haye both agree that they will fight each other!

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

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Originally Posted by ross

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Hang on a minute, I don't want to sound like @erics44, but why do people on here talk about Bruno like he was a pile of shit?
He went in with loads of World Champs, had a great Career , rocked Tyson when he was at his peak, gave Lewis the fight of his life, was a World Champion.
If any of this current crop surpass his achievements, they'll have had a very good career. I'm not saying that can't happen, but come on, show a bit of respect.������

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Agreed. Bruno did progress , coming back better from losses right up till Lewis fight in which he acquitted himself well, taking a risk a little too early on Lewis.

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Bruno was stopped by Bonecrushe, Witherspoon and rocked by Jumbo.

A peak Tyson was going through a divorce, fighting in the street and unconditioned but Frank still fails to win. Bruno wins the title at his 4th attempt clinging on for dear life.Bruno then gets blown way by a shell of a Tyson after prison in his first defence. Frank was more fragile that Amir Khan.

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He gassed in the last round against Bonecrusher (who became a World Champion btw) after winning the first 9 rounds. Good learning fight for him.
He got stopped by Witherspoon , who was World Champion.
In the fight immediately before Bruno, Tyson had just knocked out Michael Spinks in the 1st round when everyone was saying that was going to be his biggest test to date. Immediately after he beat Bruno , he beats Carl "the truth" Williams , who was One of the best around at the time, again 1 st round KO.
Yes, he got rocked by Jumbo Cummings, but KO'd him in the end. So AJ can get rocked by Whyte and win, and Fury can get floored by a CW And some Serbian and win, and that's OK?
So he won the World Title at the 4th attempt, so what? Martyn Murray never.
I'm not saying Bruno was a World beater, and I'm not saying he didn't have flaws, but he was a hard hitting brave guy, who always came in the ring in shape.
Today's batch have got the potential to surpass him , but they haven't done so yet, so let's not be so disparaging about him.
What if Fury and AJ lost their next fights? And are Haye's achievements at HW any better than Bruno? Is Haye's victory over Valuev better than Bruno's v McCall? And are Bruno's efforts v Lewis and Tyson 1 worse than Haye's effort v Wlad? Just saying.😄

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Fury has just surpassed him. Winning multiple world titles in his first challenge against the universally recognised best fighter in the world!;D

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So one fight makes a whole career? With your smiley emoji, I hope that tells me you're kidding around and you're not serious?
While it was a good victory, he's done LITERALLY nothing else yet. Otherwise by your line of thinking , Buster Douglas is one of the ATG's and definitely one of the top 3 HW's of the last 30 years.

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One fight doesnt make a whole career but to beat the best heavyweight in the world and a genuine contender for an all time top ten place and was as hig as 7th in some ratings easily surpasses anything Bruno achieved!:cool:

Bruno lost to a fellow contender before he even got a title shot then he failed at the first attempt against a lesser champ when the recognised best was Holmes.

You are arguing for the sake of it and I dont mind because everyone else can clearly see you are wrong.

Oh also, randomly putting the biggest upset in sports history in as any kind of argument to say that Douglas beats eveyones career is pathetic. I didnt say Fury had a better career, although its clear he will. I said hes already surpassed Bruno for the reasons above you mug!:rolleyes:

". I didnt say Fury had a better career, although its clear he will. I said hes already surpassed Bruno for the reasons above you mug! "

Isn't saying Fury has surpassed Bruno the same as saying he's had a better career?
And as for "although it's clear that he will" is it? Again , not a fact , just Ross sucking cock again.
The Douglas/Tyson comparison is entirely appropriate because you're putting Fury on a pedestal for one fight. I highlighted the comparison for the very same rationale.
And btw , you can put as many smiley and rolling eyes emojis at the end of your posts as you like, but it doesn't hide the FACT that you're a dopey sap that , when struggling to give a FACTUAL reasonable answer , reverts to nonsensical but bollocks as highlighted in other threads by other people.

Fury's win is better than any Bruno had. He'll never be half as popular though, the minute he gets chinned he'll be rubbished.

If they fought - Bruno would be a trembling wreck at the press conference let alone in the ring staring up at that giant nutty sod.

Primo when you beat a top ten all time fighter who was seen as leagues above everyone else in the division comfortably in their own back yard on their own promotion you arent just a flash in the pan.

Bruno would smash fury and wlad on the same night

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Originally Posted by ross

Primo when you beat a top ten all time fighter who was seen as leagues above everyone else in the division comfortably in their own back yard on their own promotion you arent just a flash in the pan.

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Where to start. firstly he's not a top 10 ATG. you yourself said that his brother was the man in the division and he has only been number one for 2 years. obviously , once Fury beat him, you changed your mind and Wlad became this ATG because it suits your argument.
btw, I would love to see your All Time top 10 and who you put Wlad above!
as for "a flash in the pan" , if he lost his next fight , that is EXACTLY what he would be. The future will tell us everything , but as it stands Fury has had one very good win in a World Title fight and become champion. every single fight before amounts to very little, the standard of opposition is very, very poor. This isn't just aimed at Fury, I think that virtually all today's HW's including and especially Wilder are in the same boat.
It's not to say that Fury will not eclipse Bruno in the future, but at the moment , he has a one fight career at the top level.

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Originally Posted by ross

Primo when you beat a top ten all time fighter who was seen as leagues above everyone else in the division comfortably in their own back yard on their own promotion you arent just a flash in the pan.

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You missed out "at the end of their career whilst both of you threw about the same amount of punches even useless overrated rubbish heavyweights like AJ throw in a round ".

What do you guys consider the better one off win ?
Douglas beating an unbeaten Tyson or fury beating a 39 year old champion ?
Let's not forget Douglas put on loads of weight and lost his title in his first defence to Holyfield.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

What do you guys consider the better one off win ?
Douglas beating an unbeaten Tyson or fury beating a 39 year old champion ?
Let's not forget Douglas put on loads of weight and lost his title in his first defence to Holyfield.

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Yeah, but according to Ross , making a comparison on those 2 fights is pathetic! I don't know why, I couldn't be bothered to read any more of his horse shit! 😂

Yeah, I know the question is loaded. But...

Douglas was 40/1, Fury was 4/1. But the biggest factor for me is, Tyson (the real one)-Douglas was a terrific fight, bombs were exchanged throughout, Buster was knocked out, then not knocked out, and it ended in a "shock the world" breathtaking KO of the invincible Tyson.

Wlad-Fury was boring as fuck. That's it.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Yeah, I know the question is loaded. But...

Douglas was 40/1, Fury was 4/1. But the biggest factor for me is, Tyson (the real one)-Douglas was a terrific fight, bombs were exchanged throughout, Buster was knocked out, then not knocked out, and it ended in a "shock the world" breathtaking KO of the invincible Tyson.

Wlad-Fury was boring as fuck. That's it.

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Yes that's an interesting view , and yes Douglas v Tyson was a terrific fight.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Yeah, I know the question is loaded. But...

Douglas was 40/1, Fury was 4/1. But the biggest factor for me is, Tyson (the real one)-Douglas was a terrific fight, bombs were exchanged throughout, Buster was knocked out, then not knocked out, and it ended in a "shock the world" breathtaking KO of the invincible Tyson.

Wlad-Fury was boring as fuck. That's it.

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Yes that's an interesting view , and yes Douglas v Tyson was a terrific fight.

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wlad v fury was wlads most exciting fight by miles

Also, Wlad was seen as on top of his game and very proffesional and the media who visited him in camp were all in awe of how professional and in shape he was. He was also defending in his fortress of Germany under his own promotion.

Mike Tyson on the other hand was going through lots of very public problems and was getting dropped and beaten up by sparring partners in Japan and getting pissed and visiting brothels then having such a shit corner they had to use a condom full of tap water to try and take swelling down!

Basically Mike Tyson was served up on a plate to anyone who was willing to fight back that night.

Mike Tyson was the bigger shock because of how he let himself down. Wladimir Klitschko trying as hard as he can to have everything in his favour got thoroughly outboxed by the better boxer.

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Originally Posted by ross

Also, Wlad was seen as on top of his game and very proffesional and the media who visited him in camp were all in awe of how professional and in shape he was. He was also defending in his fortress of Germany under his own promotion.

Mike Tyson on the other hand was going through lots of very public problems and was getting dropped and beaten up by sparring partners in Japan and getting pissed and visiting brothels then having such a shit corner they had to use a condom full of tap water to try and take swelling down!

Basically Mike Tyson was served up on a plate to anyone who was willing to fight back that night.

Mike Tyson was the bigger shock because of how he let himself down. Wladimir Klitschko trying as hard as he can to have everything in his favour got thoroughly outboxed by the better boxer.

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very well scripted. I'd like to see something to back all that up though.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

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Originally Posted by ross

Primo when you beat a top ten all time fighter who was seen as leagues above everyone else in the division comfortably in their own back yard on their own promotion you arent just a flash in the pan.

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Where to start. firstly he's not a top 10 ATG. you yourself said that his brother was the man in the division and he has only been number one for 2 years. obviously , once Fury beat him, you changed your mind and Wlad became this ATG because it suits your argument.
btw, I would love to see your All Time top 10 and who you put Wlad above!
as for "a flash in the pan" , if he lost his next fight , that is EXACTLY what he would be. The future will tell us everything , but as it stands Fury has had one very good win in a World Title fight and become champion. every single fight before amounts to very little, the standard of opposition is very, very poor. This isn't just aimed at Fury, I think that virtually all today's HW's including and especially Wilder are in the same boat.
It's not to say that Fury will not eclipse Bruno in the future, but at the moment , he has a one fight career at the top level.

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Wlad at number 7

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

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Originally Posted by ross

Also, Wlad was seen as on top of his game and very proffesional and the media who visited him in camp were all in awe of how professional and in shape he was. He was also defending in his fortress of Germany under his own promotion.

Mike Tyson on the other hand was going through lots of very public problems and was getting dropped and beaten up by sparring partners in Japan and getting pissed and visiting brothels then having such a shit corner they had to use a condom full of tap water to try and take swelling down!

Basically Mike Tyson was served up on a plate to anyone who was willing to fight back that night.

Mike Tyson was the bigger shock because of how he let himself down. Wladimir Klitschko trying as hard as he can to have everything in his favour got thoroughly outboxed by the better boxer.

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very well scripted. I'd like to see something to back all that up though.:rolleyes:

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Tyson getting dropped by Greg Page in media sparring in Japan in lead up to the Douglas fight. http://youtu.be/vS91f_zMwcM

Numbers 1 to 6 and 8 to 20 please.

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Numbers 1 to 6 and 8 to 20 please.

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Whos?

What criteria?

What the fuck are you on about;D

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Originally Posted by ross

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Numbers 1 to 6 and 8 to 20 please.

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Whos?

What criteria?

What the fuck are you on about;D

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You put "Wlad at number 7" what the fuck are you on about? 😂
All I asked was who's 1-6 and 8-20?
I'm just trying to establish if he's number 7, who is below him ?
If I have to try to teach you English every time I post, it's going to be a very arduous process.

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

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Originally Posted by ross

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Numbers 1 to 6 and 8 to 20 please.

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Whos?

What criteria?

What the fuck are you on about;D

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You put "Wlad at number 7" what the fuck are you on about? 😂
All I asked was who's 1-6 and 8-20?
I'm just trying to establish if he's number 7, who is below him ?
If I have to try to teach you English every time I post, it's going to be a very arduous process.

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Well if you want to know that actually read the link from the Telegraph I posted you bellend!;D

Ha! I appologise it looks as though I didnt even post the link!

Ranking the 15 greatest heavyweight boxers of all time - Telegraph

Sorry again! Hes picture number 7 but rated 10th here.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/201...y-heavyweights

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Ranking the 15 greatest heavyweight boxers of all time - Telegraph

Sorry again! Hes picture number 7 but rated 10th here.

Wladimir Klitschko is dull but history will judge him more kindly | Sport | The Guardian

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Apology accepted.

Yes id like to pose this question , do you think Wlad was in his prime at 29 or 39 ?
Also his previous 3 losses where by ko , strange how he loses his title on points.
What do you think about this chaps ?

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Yes id like to pose this question , do you think Wlad was in his prime at 29 or 39 ?
Also his previous 3 losses where by ko , strange how he loses his title on points.
What do you think about this chaps ?

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I think you could possibly be the most back trackiest revisionist lucky to still be here poster on this site.

What do you think chaps?

I think haye agrees to fight a lot of people and then stuff happens :S... I would think when haye runs out of easy money fights he will definitely take on joshua but I wouldn't expect it to happen any time soon. It would be really interesting and I would like to see it a lot but I am not holding my breath.

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Originally Posted by ross

Ranking the 15 greatest heavyweight boxers of all time - Telegraph

Sorry again! Hes picture number 7 but rated 10th here.

Wladimir Klitschko is dull but history will judge him more kindly | Sport | The Guardian

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bollox that list, wheres Bruno?

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Originally Posted by ross

Ranking the 15 greatest heavyweight boxers of all time - Telegraph

Sorry again! Hes picture number 7 but rated 10th here.

Wladimir Klitschko is dull but history will judge him more kindly | Sport | The Guardian

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bollox that list, wheres Bruno?

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Bruno isn't number 1 , he is the Super champion above.

The heavyweight threads are going to be horrible till the pikey gets sparked. I'm almost wishing the Russian peasant won.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Yes id like to pose this question , do you think Wlad was in his prime at 29 or 39 ?
Also his previous 3 losses where by ko , strange how he loses his title on points.
What do you think about this chaps ?

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its very difficult to say when wlads prime was/is

his fights are geared for him to win, the relaxed rules on the holding for example

for instance - under normal boxing rules, which wlad would have had the best chance of beating provetkin? a 29 year old wlad or a 39 year old wlad

under wlad rules wlad would have beaten provetkin at any point in his career but he was probably at his best at holding at about 36

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Originally Posted by erics44

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Yes id like to pose this question , do you think Wlad was in his prime at 29 or 39 ?
Also his previous 3 losses where by ko , strange how he loses his title on points.
What do you think about this chaps ?

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its very difficult to say when wlads prime was/is

his fights are geared for him to win, the relaxed rules on the holding for example

for instance - under normal boxing rules, which wlad would have had the best chance of beating provetkin? a 29 year old wlad or a 39 year old wlad

under wlad rules wlad would have beaten provetkin at any point in his career but he was probably at his best at holding at about 36

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Dont forget fighting in his fortress of Germany. He gets to have everything his own way, or did until he faced Fury. Spongey, soft canvas, gloves, waiting times, ref allowing holding, leaning etc.

There are also "rumours" that it is legal to take certain substances in Germany. Looks dynamite destroying Pulev then labours over Jennings in America.

What is fact is Tyson fought the very best version that was regarded in the all time top ten and in the most difficult circumstances in Germany and did it more comfortably than anyone else could. Just made it look easy. Dropping his hands and clowning Wlad;D

I wonder how many of Wlads recent opponents youd have to add together to equal the amount of rounds Tyson took from Wlad?

I'd back the current Povetkin to KO the current Wlad, as long as there was a proper ref that wouldn't allow Wlad to keep getting piggybacks

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I'd back the current Povetkin to KO the current Wlad, as long as there was a proper ref that wouldn't allow Wlad to keep getting piggybacks

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It was only 2 years ago Wlad destroyed him. Povetkin looked better since but Povetkins style is suited to Wlads jab and hold. Id fancy Povetkin to beat Fury but doubt hed beat Wlad.

Just seen the full Joshua fight sober. Very impressed with Joshua tbh. He got caught with a big shot in the 2nd and recovered quickly. Apart from that it was complete dominance. Whyte v Chisora would be a decent scrap to measure if Whyte is actually any use. Joshua v Fury would be a cracker for the end of this year but Id say its more likely a stadium fight in 2017 but they run the risk of Fury losing before then as surely hell have to fight some top opposition. Id still back Joshua at pick em if they were to fight this summer.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I'd back the current Povetkin to KO the current Wlad, as long as there was a proper ref that wouldn't allow Wlad to keep getting piggybacks

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It was only 2 years ago Wlad destroyed him. Povetkin looked better since but Povetkins style is suited to Wlads jab and hold. Id fancy Povetkin to beat Fury but doubt hed beat Wlad.

Just seen the full Joshua fight sober. Very impressed with Joshua tbh. He got caught with a big shot in the 2nd and recovered quickly. Apart from that it was complete dominance. Whyte v Chisora would be a decent scrap to measure if Whyte is actually any use. Joshua v Fury would be a cracker for the end of this year but Id say its more likely a stadium fight in 2017 but they run the risk of Fury losing before then as surely hell have to fight some top opposition. Id still back Joshua at pick em if they were to fight this summer.

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under wlads rules wlad beat provetikin convincingly theres no doubt about that

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I'd back the current Povetkin to KO the current Wlad, as long as there was a proper ref that wouldn't allow Wlad to keep getting piggybacks

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It was only 2 years ago Wlad destroyed him. Povetkin looked better since but Povetkins style is suited to Wlads jab and hold. Id fancy Povetkin to beat Fury but doubt hed beat Wlad.

Just seen the full Joshua fight sober. Very impressed with Joshua tbh. He got caught with a big shot in the 2nd and recovered quickly. Apart from that it was complete dominance. Whyte v Chisora would be a decent scrap to measure if Whyte is actually any use. Joshua v Fury would be a cracker for the end of this year but Id say its more likely a stadium fight in 2017 but they run the risk of Fury losing before then as surely hell have to fight some top opposition. Id still back Joshua at pick em if they were to fight this summer.

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You still dnt rate Tyson Fury?

Yes he will be fighting top opposition. The second best heavy in the world. Hes just beaten who was the best heavy in the world.

It makes me laugh how still people are saying Fury will get beaten by the likes of Povetkin etc when hes just proven hes head and shoulders above everyone else.

Its like the Klitschko fight didnt even happen;D

The ref was a disgrace in the Wlad-Povetkin fight. Mills Lane would have DQ'd Wlad by the 3rd round. In Wlad's next fight he struggled with Jennings because he wasn't allowed to hold and didn't have a clue against Fury.

If Wlad can't grab he's fucked.

It wouldn't be a shock if Povetkin ironed Fury.

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I'd back the current Povetkin to KO the current Wlad, as long as there was a proper ref that wouldn't allow Wlad to keep getting piggybacks

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It was only 2 years ago Wlad destroyed him. Povetkin looked better since but Povetkins style is suited to Wlads jab and hold. Id fancy Povetkin to beat Fury but doubt hed beat Wlad.

Just seen the full Joshua fight sober. Very impressed with Joshua tbh. He got caught with a big shot in the 2nd and recovered quickly. Apart from that it was complete dominance. Whyte v Chisora would be a decent scrap to measure if Whyte is actually any use. Joshua v Fury would be a cracker for the end of this year but Id say its more likely a stadium fight in 2017 but they run the risk of Fury losing before then as surely hell have to fight some top opposition. Id still back Joshua at pick em if they were to fight this summer.

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You still dnt rate Tyson Fury?

Yes he will be fighting top opposition. The second best heavy in the world. Hes just beaten who was the best heavy in the world.

It makes me laugh how still people are saying Fury will get beaten by the likes of Povetkin etc when hes just proven hes head and shoulders above everyone else.

Its like the Klitschko fight didnt even happen;D

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See, the thing about Fury is that although he achieved the seemingly to some (me included) impossible by beating Wlad, with hindsight , Wlad was made for him. Hindsight is a wonderful luxury and it doesn't take anything away from Fury's achievement.
However, styles make fights and I think although Fury has decent skill and uses his reach well, the majority of people believe that other fighters apart from Wlad will show a lot more ambition and will not worry about taking shots in order to get in distance to fire their own.
I think most HW's are prepared to do this because they THINK Fury is not a heavy puncher and that he is also susceptible to being floored. Time will tell, but for Fury , it's only the start of the journey. If he continues where he left off with Wlad, he'll soon start to bring round the sceptics like me. Personally, I think he could beat Wlad in a rematch, he could probably beat Wilder, but my personal opinion is that, Joshua, Povetkin, Pulev perhaps, and possibly others could beat Fury.Time will tell.

I thought that Haye did retire. Oh well, seems like he just found a way to be talked about.

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I thought that Haye did retire. Oh well, seems like he just found a way to be talked about.

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I genuinely believe he was allowing time to heal from his injuries.That toe takesat least 2 good years to heal properly.

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I thought that Haye did retire. Oh well, seems like he just found a way to be talked about.

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I genuinely believe he was allowing time to heal from his injuries.That toe takesat least 2 good years to heal properly.

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He was waiting for the dust to settle and Tyson to find another route.

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I thought that Haye did retire. Oh well, seems like he just found a way to be talked about.

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I genuinely believe he was allowing time to heal from his injuries.That toe takesat least 2 good years to heal properly.

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He was waiting for the dust to settle and Tyson to find another route.

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Perfect timing to see Wlad lose.