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It's quite sad that the two fights most have wanted to see over the last few years have been Brook vs Khan and GGG vs Canelo, yet we get this tripe. How has this even been sanctioned. Practically lost all respect for Golovkin. Can see why he has taken it, but it's sad that a fighter who is the supposed dominant Middleweight over his era is wasting his prime fighting B- level fighters and welterweights.
I call use to write Calzaghe as Galzaghe until someone pointed it out so thanks. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Yeah but he's called Brook you doughnut hahahaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think it sounds better than Kell and normally you use the fighters surname.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman
If Brook actually pulls this off it would be up there with any British boxing performance and even better than Leonard upsetting Hagler.
Canelo is a pussy for not fighting GGG.
GGG is a pussy for fighting a blown up welterweight in Brook.
WARD is still the ultimate £4£ fighter who is stepping up by fighting the best and can never be accused of taking any easy step in boxing.
Eubank jr would have beat GGG...probably.
I wouldn't be surprised if golden boy nosed it around before slumping away uninterested... based on Brooks performance against Porter was is more actively aggressive than canelo. Probably figured it wouldn't be a floyd shut out but Brooks chances at slipping turning countering and stepping away probably gave him a better chance at pulling off an upset.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
When comparing khan with brook. Ones got a title, a slicker style but probably wont leave England for that fight. The other has had his clock cleaned a couple of times and an almost guaranteed lapse in concentration and his eyes are usually bigger than his stomach so he won't know he bit off more than he can chew till he chokes on it. Easy pickin's for a upgraded less plodding boxer/puncher type.
Not sure why people are having a pop at Golovkin. He didn't chase Brook, he was waiting for Eubank Jr to sign. Jr bottled it so Golovkin was offered the Brook fight. It's not like he has a long list of opponents willing to face him.
O2 arena, 20,000 punters, Sky PPV, HBO. That equals millions of reasons for Golovkin to fight Brook.
How low are our expectations? Because GGG/Canelo shouldn't even be "what we want", he's about the 4th best Jr Middleweight FFS! And Khan/Brook shouldn't be the goal either. Spence would demolish Khan, demolish!Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI was just about to post that. Ross talking shite as usual. Eubanks making unreal demands showing they never wanted the fight just looking for publicity. Heard he will be fighting Adam Ethes on the under card which in all honesty isnt the worst fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraHearn: Eubanks Made The Gennady Golovkin Deal IMPOSSIBLE! - Boxing NewsQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
I fucking love this! You can tell when Ross goes into defence mode , because he posts and posts and posts pure fantasy! ;D;D
Read the comments by Hearn , they made it IMPOSSIBLE to make a deal.
Now you can play psycho analyst and think Hearn didn't look comfortable or whatever you want to think, But Eubank was the challenger and GGG was coming to his back yard, it should've been an easy fight to make and an easy decision for Eubank. After all,Brook has taken it with all the same terms in a heartbeat! And Brook is a World Champion , whereas Eubank is only operating at British Level! Hahahahahahaha.
Cant see how Brook wins this fight and expect a GGG KO in the mid rounds. Pretty frustrating we get Khan Canelo and GGG Brook when we really want Khan Brook and GGG Canelo. Lets hope the losers fight each other :D
Our expectations have fallen so far we hope for crap match ups because they seem good compared to the utter shit we keep getting served. Fuck Canelo, fuck GGGs shit resume, fuck boxing!
Eubank Jr ?
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Within 2 days, Eddie Hearn offered Brook the EXACT same contract that Eubank turned down and he signed right away.
The butcher don't care what's on the table he's chopping it up.
Even though I think Triple G should be fighting that bitch ass Cameltoe (the ginger headed donkey rider is not gonna man up and face his mandatory) you have to give kudos to Brook for grabbing the chance of his life when the Eubank's were playing possum. From a technical point of view Brook is probably the best pro fighter GGG has come up against.
Brook's victory over Porter is looking an outstanding piece of form when you see how well Porter has performed since. But I've been reading the 4 pages of GGG fanboys trying to say Brook will get destroyed.
Duran moved up 2 divisions and beat SRL. SRL moved up 2 divisions and beat Hagler.
But Britain's two best 147lbers head two divisions north to engage in fights against much bigger men ?
But then again Vargas pulled out, Arum has said he's not looking to match his guys against Brook which rules out Bradley, Khan is terrified, it's too early for Spence, Porter isn't interested in a rematch, Garcia is looking to avoid any of the top guys at 147 and Thurman wants Garcia or a Porter rematch.
Brook is not in the class of Hagler or Leonard.
Stop making excuses for why Brook is taking the fight. He will be slaughtered inside 6 rounds like Khan was. No way is Brook the best technical fighter, it does not matter how good Brook is, he is just too small.
I dont agree with that. Brook would beat a lot of the top Middleweights. GGG is just a step too far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I cant wait til Kov smashes Wards face in :DQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
Happen. Not. GonnaQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI cant wait til Kov smashes Wards face in :DQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
Happy have a bet with you if your interested. I think its close but think Kov will stop him in the 2nd half of the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200Happen. Not. GonnaQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI cant wait til Kov smashes Wards face in :DQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
;D Really? How do you think Eubank Jr would fare against Ward ?Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Brook would not be able to beat Eubank Jnr never mind a top middleweight. What an absurd thing to write.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI dont agree with that. Brook would beat a lot of the top Middleweights. GGG is just a step too far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
You see Master, your wording there sums it up perfectly. Eubank is nowhere near a top MW. you've just put that yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBrook would not be able to beat Eubank Jnr never mind a top middleweight. What an absurd thing to write.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI dont agree with that. Brook would beat a lot of the top Middleweights. GGG is just a step too far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
So going back to your cryptic post earlier about "Eubank deserves more.", more than who or what?
Who is a top middleweight if not Eubank then? Aside from GGG, I don't think there's much separating the rest of the division. No idea how Brook would do against those guys either, he may be big enough to fight there but it doesn't negate the fact that he's fought nothing but guys who aren't.
Even thou hes the only man to have won on points over BJS?;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou see Master, your wording there sums it up perfectly. Eubank is nowhere near a top MW. you've just put that yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBrook would not be able to beat Eubank Jnr never mind a top middleweight. What an absurd thing to write.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI dont agree with that. Brook would beat a lot of the top Middleweights. GGG is just a step too far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
So going back to your cryptic post earlier about "Eubank deserves more.", more than who or what?
You guys highlighted how much GGG is a pussy by acknowledging Ward stepping up to fight KovQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI cant wait til Kov smashes Wards face in :DQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
Ha ha Ross, you're so desperate you have to rewrite history! Look at their records, and even you who professes to know a little bit about the sport will see that against BJS's name is a big fat "W", and against Eubank Jr's is an equally big "L".Quote:
Originally Posted by rossEven thou hes the only man to have won on points over BJS?;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou see Master, your wording there sums it up perfectly. Eubank is nowhere near a top MW. you've just put that yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBrook would not be able to beat Eubank Jnr never mind a top middleweight. What an absurd thing to write.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI dont agree with that. Brook would beat a lot of the top Middleweights. GGG is just a step too far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
So going back to your cryptic post earlier about "Eubank deserves more.", more than who or what?
Yes Ross that stands for LOSER! It doesn't stand for "well one judge didn't think so":rolleyes:
See I'm even putting your next line down before you get the chance.
BJS is currently a paper champion until he fights and beats someone relevant, and Eubank Jr. Is currently British level until he steps up. These , my pedigree chum are what you call FACTS !!! I know you have trouble spelling that, you get mixed up and spell it FANTASY! ;D;D;D;D
Factasy
Let's forget MW, who would you have Kell beating of the huge 154 guys?
Ell Charlo?
All Charlo?
Andrade?
Lara?
Martirosyan?
JRock?
Nelson?
I was being sarcastic about Eubank deserving more, he is a joker for turning this down and is having a twitter war with Brook. I bet when Kell looses he fight Junior next.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou see Master, your wording there sums it up perfectly. Eubank is nowhere near a top MW. you've just put that yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBrook would not be able to beat Eubank Jnr never mind a top middleweight. What an absurd thing to write.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI dont agree with that. Brook would beat a lot of the top Middleweights. GGG is just a step too far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
So going back to your cryptic post earlier about "Eubank deserves more.", more than who or what?
This is a silly fight. Brooks is big welterweight, good technical skills, undefeated, - all reasons why he is to fight GGG - but not why he should. Brook has not campaigned at the weight and would not beat a domestic middleweight like Eubank.
Lol..keep waitingQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI cant wait til Kov smashes Wards face in :DQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
So what happens for each fighter if they win?
Let's picture the aftermath.
GGG beats brook and should get no praise for beating a little guy just like canelo with Khan.
Brook obviously has more to gain from a win but what happened to brook fighting the thurman, Garcia to prove he is the best at 147?
When Ward beats kovalev he should chase GGG down for a serious superfight that will silence all the haters forever.
Oddly enough I think Khan may face Brook after the loss. The US fighters will not bother with Kell.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
GGG will never move up to face Ward (who will lose to Kov).
Brook must feel its a price worth paying to risk 35-0 against a bigger guy, else he's being starved of fights near his own weight
How? Ward has beaten everyone at 168. There is nothing there for him. No big money fights, nothing. GGG will make a lot more money unifying MW then moving up to face Ward. Its pretty simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxingYou guys highlighted how much GGG is a pussy by acknowledging Ward stepping up to fight KovQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI cant wait til Kov smashes Wards face in :DQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
Brook went to the US to win the title. It appears that noone in the div has the balls to come to the UK to take it off him so he has been stuck in limbo. Id have Brook as a strong fav over Garcia and a slight fav over Thurman. If Ward beats Kov Id be very surprised if he can make it back down to 168 or a catchweight to face GGG.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
GGG will get no praise of respect for beating Brook. Liek Khan, Brook is in a win win situation really.
I think the Charlo fights be close and I think hed beat Martirosyan and Nelson. In fact Id say all the fights be pretty competitive bar maybe Andrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
However, who as a MW would easily beat all these guys? I doubt many would even say GGG considering theres so many slick black fighters on that list.
Who would you fancy in Brook v Saunders at 160?
BJS, any day of the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI think the Charlo fights be close and I think hed beat Martirosyan and Nelson. In fact Id say all the fights be pretty competitive bar maybe Andrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
However, who as a MW would easily beat all these guys? I doubt many would even say GGG considering theres so many slick black fighters on that list.
Who would you fancy in Brook v Saunders at 160?
It's too bad us boxing fans don't have a damn thing to say about what matchups get made. Regardless of the "guts" it took for Khan to step into the ring with Canelo, and likewise now with Brook stepping in too face GGG... everyone knows it should've been Khan and Brook facing each other, and GGG and Canelo facing each other... the way it was meant to be if this was the boxing game we all knew and loved in the past. Unfortunately, Canelo is a pu$$y who has made his living feasting on undersized opponents and he'll never fight a prime GGG at the weight he should fight him... at 160. Simple as. GGG, meanwhile, must be questioned as well, although in this case it might be frustration at not being able to get Canelo into the ring. As far as Khan and Brook, they're making questionable career decisions, when in actuality there's so much more to accomplish at their own weights.
Arent you guilty of the same? Hanging on the word of Eubank Snr's twitter feed? Unless you were round their gaff when Snr was frantically trying to get hold of Eddie and getting nowhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Where is the notion the US fighters would not go to the UK coming from? I seem to recall reading Vargas signed the contract and it was Kell that did not. I recall Rios also begging Kell to sign until finally walking away.
I hate to stick up for Arum(it disgusts me frankly) but if twice I had fights ready to go and the same guy stalled and stalled and stalled and then went a different way......well, I wouldn't waste my time negotiating with that guy again.
Saunders, Brook needs his size. And he isn't the bigger guy at 160.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI think the Charlo fights be close and I think hed beat Martirosyan and Nelson. In fact Id say all the fights be pretty competitive bar maybe Andrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
However, who as a MW would easily beat all these guys? I doubt many would even say GGG considering theres so many slick black fighters on that list.
Who would you fancy in Brook v Saunders at 160?
From Brook's side I say bravo, but I am amazed anyone is defending GGG for this.
Not sure why I am though, I've seen hot garbage like Gabe Rosado built up to be a proper fight for GGG, "as long as he's busy" SMDH
Ron, I'm certainly not sticking up for GGG , I think it's a no win fight for him and it shouldn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSaunders, Brook needs his size. And he isn't the bigger guy at 160.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI think the Charlo fights be close and I think hed beat Martirosyan and Nelson. In fact Id say all the fights be pretty competitive bar maybe Andrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
However, who as a MW would easily beat all these guys? I doubt many would even say GGG considering theres so many slick black fighters on that list.
Who would you fancy in Brook v Saunders at 160?
From Brook's side I say bravo, but I am amazed anyone is defending GGG for this.
Not sure why I am though, I've seen hot garbage like Gabe Rosado built up to be a proper fight for GGG, "as long as he's busy" SMDH
But , I've asked you before, who do YOU think he should fight?
It's not as easy as us fans would like it to be , trust me.
Yea I havent seen anyone on this forum defend the fight as a decent fight. Im saying the MW division is shite. GGG is the best by far. Then you have Jacobs, Canelo, Cotto, Eubank, Saunders, Lemieux and Quillin. Outside that is there anyone that would be awful fights for Brook to take? (I actually think Brook v 2016 Cotto wis very competitive). Since none of these guys will fight GGG why is Brook any worse than the leftovers in the MW? Looking at it from GGGs POV what other options did he have where he would get as much money?Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraRon, I'm certainly not sticking up for GGG , I think it's a no win fight for him and it shouldn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSaunders, Brook needs his size. And he isn't the bigger guy at 160.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI think the Charlo fights be close and I think hed beat Martirosyan and Nelson. In fact Id say all the fights be pretty competitive bar maybe Andrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
However, who as a MW would easily beat all these guys? I doubt many would even say GGG considering theres so many slick black fighters on that list.
Who would you fancy in Brook v Saunders at 160?
From Brook's side I say bravo, but I am amazed anyone is defending GGG for this.
Not sure why I am though, I've seen hot garbage like Gabe Rosado built up to be a proper fight for GGG, "as long as he's busy" SMDH
But , I've asked you before, who do YOU think he should fight?
It's not as easy as us fans would like it to be , trust me.
Id much prefer to see him fight a top 154 fighter or 168 fighter but your acting like GGG is ducking someone. Hes the champ. He hasnt vacated to avoid anyone and he hasnt ducked any mandatorys. If every champions behaved the way GGG did the sport would be a lot better.
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Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeYea I havent seen anyone on this forum defend the fight as a decent fight. Im saying the MW division is shite. GGG is the best by far. Then you have Jacobs, Canelo, Cotto, Eubank, Saunders, Lemieux and Quillin. Outside that is there anyone that would be awful fights for Brook to take? (I actually think Brook v 2016 Cotto wis very competitive). Since none of these guys will fight GGG why is Brook any worse than the leftovers in the MW? Looking at it from GGGs POV what other options did he have where he would get as much money?Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraRon, I'm certainly not sticking up for GGG , I think it's a no win fight for him and it shouldn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSaunders, Brook needs his size. And he isn't the bigger guy at 160.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI think the Charlo fights be close and I think hed beat Martirosyan and Nelson. In fact Id say all the fights be pretty competitive bar maybe Andrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
However, who as a MW would easily beat all these guys? I doubt many would even say GGG considering theres so many slick black fighters on that list.
Who would you fancy in Brook v Saunders at 160?
From Brook's side I say bravo, but I am amazed anyone is defending GGG for this.
Not sure why I am though, I've seen hot garbage like Gabe Rosado built up to be a proper fight for GGG, "as long as he's busy" SMDH
But , I've asked you before, who do YOU think he should fight?
It's not as easy as us fans would like it to be , trust me.
Id much prefer to see him fight a top 154 fighter or 168 fighter but your acting like GGG is ducking someone. Hes the champ. He hasnt vacated to avoid anyone and he hasnt ducked any mandatorys. If every champions behaved the way GGG did the sport would be a lot better.
First let me reply to Primo. If you are asking who he should fight right now then you are missing the point. He is 34. In this day everyone gets a belt right? Well in his 35 fights he has fought 4 guys who have ever won a MW title. Any MW title, vacant, interim, anything. 3 of those 4 won 1 time and lost every other time. One guy won 5 making a total of 8 championship fight wins by ALL his opponents! And that's 8 wins versus 34 losses! The guy that won 5, he is 0-3 in the USA. He didn't see the final bell once, he QUIT more than once. So even that guy isn't a real champion. GGGs ledger is hot garbage, the whole damn thing. 5 years ago I loved guy. Now I can't stand him. Who should he fight right now, I don't know. I'm more concerned with how his entire career is set up not to get big fights. They get the date, get the venue then fill in the opponent. That's a great way to stay busy but that is the last way to make big fights. But if I had to answer who he should fight right now I would say Lara, hehas called for the fight for years.
As for SilkieJoes comment, so every boxer should be 34 never having fought good fighters? Your view of how the sport should be is an idea I fear is coming.
Should I write out the times I can think of GGGs team lying? I don't want to look them all up but I have a decent list on the top of my head. No doubt, no debate lies.
Every team lies though. Everyone in boxing talks shite. If every fighter worked there ways to mandatorys, won titles and defended against mandatories wouldnt boxing just be so much easier. No one could duck anyone. If you want to fight someone you earn that fight and thats that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
This problem of mismatches only exists because fans let it exist. If people stopped paying to watch mismatches then fighters/promoters would be forced to take the toughest opponents.
Id love to see GGG jump to 175 to fight the winner of Ward v Kov. That would redeem him from this rubbish :D