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The "black guy"? You mean the Muslim Terrorist you twit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Flip flop away. Whatever ingratiates you the most I suppose. So basically you don't think this guy was a terrorist but the black guy driving another white van in Westminster was? I can't keep up with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
I think it is fair to say that your last five words probably would explain that response. I know you may be unaware but there are just as many racist Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish( if not more as a percentage) but it's always the English who get it in the neck when the media reports stuff. That is why when Americans post things from Tommy Robinson or the English Defence League that is pisses off people like myself who are proud of being English. The white twat who did this was out not only to terrorize but to kill a specific group, because like most Islamic terrorists he was a thick bigoted ignorant cunt. Again though all the right wing white guys here are suggesting he is not a terrorist because he must have had a breakdown etc and it matters. Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusDoesn't mean anything master. You work with mental illness in your profession I assume. I've had doctors on my case loads that had breakdowns in later life and required structured programs to get by.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterGuy lived in Wales and married with 3/4 children.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusThe terrorists usually put together a plan a coordinated with a group and have a plan to carry out after the initial event. These suicide bombers they have caught that either failed to blow the vest or were caught prior to the event exhibited no sign of acute mental illness. That's is not true in 100 percent of the cases but look how the 9/11 guys were able to remain under the radar. They were not schizophrenic etc. I know nothing of the of the dude who drove into the mosque people, certainly wouldn't surprise me if he was clinically insane. There is a big difference between an unstable guy thinking he is carrying out a revenge attack if this is what it was and someone who is following directions from the Koran or an organized group. The whole thing is a shame. You English are a violent lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzTrying to kill Muslims is a political agenda. You could argue that it is even more of a political agenda than killing indiscriminately. They are all whack job terrorists. The white ' Britain First' freak who shot Jo Cox and the black freak who drove his van into people in Westminster. No sane person would do that shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Not because of labels or being PC but because the specific reason he felt able to do this and the same reason the people who killed the old muslim geezer after Lee Rigby was killed is because they knew that people like you lot would not put them in the same brackets as terrorists and somehow blame it on something else. Fucking ironic that people who fill the forum (not you) with threads about political correctness, free speech and calling a spade a spade can't wait to jump in start fucking crying about some cunt being called a terrorist.
oooh don't call him a spade he is a broken shovel
Fucking pathetic
Black Rod strikes again.
My issue is when people start saying "What about James Holmes? What about Dylann Roof?" .....because not every murderer is a terrorist. Is Darren Osborne a terrorist? Why is he a terrorist and why MUST he be labeled as one? He's certainly a murderer but what makes him a terrorist?
Are we really going to argue over names and words?
Fucking bullshit word salad nonsense
Then how even more of a ridiculous a complaint is it for Brockton to be moaning about how fast someone called him a terrorist ?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
What Miles said is not unreasonable, the more this shit happens you will have the mentally disorganized and groups that want to retaliate. If it were to stop today it would reduce to the usual tensions and prejudice we have felt for each other since man met someone different back in the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzNone of that makes any sense. You are now blaming Muslims who were run down by some far right nutjob from a Mosque, that after finally managing to get rid of Choudry ten years ago, has a fantastic record in integration and kicking out extremists. This is Corbyn's constituency and it was always very diverse, even when I used to go visit my old man there in the 1970's/80's. Then factor in the fact that the bloke carrying out the atrocity was some Taff who hired a van. Loads of Welsh racists probably even more than English ironically but they are hardly cornered by Muslims in huge numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
With we humans violence begets violence unless you are a monk finding inner peace which involves departing yourself from the craziness of society for a long time
Yes it is. You are just doing everything in your power to make sure that it is somehow explained as being the Muslims fault and not that of some right wing white bloke. It's a stupid argument. This is the exact argument you would bend over backwards to refute if it were the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWhat Miles said is not unreasonable, the more this shit happens you will have the mentally disorganized and groups that want to retaliate. If it were to stop today it would reduce to the usual tensions and prejudice we have felt for each other since man met someone different back in the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzNone of that makes any sense. You are now blaming Muslims who were run down by some far right nutjob from a Mosque, that after finally managing to get rid of Choudry ten years ago, has a fantastic record in integration and kicking out extremists. This is Corbyn's constituency and it was always very diverse, even when I used to go visit my old man there in the 1970's/80's. Then factor in the fact that the bloke carrying out the atrocity was some Taff who hired a van. Loads of Welsh racists probably even more than English ironically but they are hardly cornered by Muslims in huge numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Means you're my friend but that is a really stupid point. You are just speculating what beans would do I mean what walrus would do if it were the other way around. You are actually an a****** because you know I don't like white people too much so I don't have any problem with calling the white person at terrorist. You are just so confused and inconsistent that you just couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. I think you should stick to small-town politics over there in Plymouth and just talk about some pasties and things of that nature Mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzYes it is. You are just doing everything in your power to make sure that it is somehow explained as being the Muslims fault and not that of some right wing white bloke. It's a stupid argument. This is the exact argument you would bend over backwards to refute if it were the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWhat Miles said is not unreasonable, the more this shit happens you will have the mentally disorganized and groups that want to retaliate. If it were to stop today it would reduce to the usual tensions and prejudice we have felt for each other since man met someone different back in the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzNone of that makes any sense. You are now blaming Muslims who were run down by some far right nutjob from a Mosque, that after finally managing to get rid of Choudry ten years ago, has a fantastic record in integration and kicking out extremists. This is Corbyn's constituency and it was always very diverse, even when I used to go visit my old man there in the 1970's/80's. Then factor in the fact that the bloke carrying out the atrocity was some Taff who hired a van. Loads of Welsh racists probably even more than English ironically but they are hardly cornered by Muslims in huge numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Abu Hamza was a preacher at that very mosque....he lost his hands and an eye fucking around with explosives for the Pakistanis and you couldn't tell he was a baddy? Dude had hook hands and 1 eye....he's a Bond villain 3 times over and "Oopsy daisy" he slips through the system :shakehead:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
By the by...Abu Hamza is in a maximum security prison and now has fucking sporks for hands.......sporks :lol:
Words have meaning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Terrorist (noun) - a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
So that would mean James Hodgkinson = Terrorist, Darren Osborne = murderer.....UNLESS you consider Muslims a political group OR you consider the attack politically motivated rather than a revenge attack and I wouldn't be the person to ask about that because I'm not Darren Osbourne or his lawyer.
I will say this, it won't matter if everyone labels Darren Osbourne a terrorist the British government have proven how fucking weak they are at dealing with their ilk. No offense to the British people, but face facts, your government let you down big time, same with the US government and the Tsarnaevs or Bin Laden
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Originally Posted by El KabongAbu Hamza was a preacher at that very mosque....he lost his hands and an eye fucking around with explosives for the Pakistanis and you couldn't tell he was a baddy? Dude had hook hands and 1 eye....he's a Bond villain 3 times over and "Oopsy daisy" he slips through the system :shakehead:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
By the by...Abu Hamza is in a maximum security prison and now has fucking sporks for hands.......sporks :lol:
Words have meaning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
Terrorist (noun) - a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
So that would mean James Hodgkinson = Terrorist, Darren Osborne = murderer.....UNLESS you consider Muslims a political group OR you consider the attack politically motivated rather than a revenge attack and I wouldn't be the person to ask about that because I'm not Darren Osbourne or his lawyer.
I will say this, it won't matter if everyone labels Darren Osbourne a terrorist the British government have proven how fucking weak they are at dealing with their ilk. No offense to the British people, but face facts, your government let you down big time, same with the US government and the Tsarnaevs or Bin Laden
Who other than you suggested that Hamza was anything other than an Islamic extremist ? You are just making stuff up again. If a white guy purposefully driving a van into muslims and then proclaiming that he wants to kill more muslims does not fulfill your definition of an extremist than you are pretty fucked up.
If a white guy goes up to a serving member of parliament and shoots her whilst shouting "Death to traitors" and yet you and your mob refuse to call him, Thomas Mair a terrorist, then you are simply apologizing for and seeking to excuse terrorist extremists. Even in the best case scenario it is you lot who are fucking being snowflakes about words.
On every level in law and in common sense these scum fulfill the criteria for being labelled what they are. Murdering people is both violence and intimidation and erasing muslims or killing somebody whose whole life is devoted to a political attitude you oppose is certainly something done in the pursuit of political aims.
But none of you can bring yourself to say it because you have been spouting off bollox suggesting that innocent Muslims should be held responsible.
This is a mosque that having rid itself of extremists is a model of integration and yet you all still want to bring it back to blaming Muslims
You have all just shown your true colours . It's hardly a surprise
I have already confirmed it was not a terrorist attack , whatever the muslims and liberals would like to think.
islam is not a race , nor proven way of life it is controlism for the ignorant , derived for a foreign land.
You can think what you want. You don't have to demonstrate your ignorance or racist condescending swell headed nature so explicitly, but you seem intent on just being a prick for the sake of it and so life goes on. What a sad shit life you must lead to put so much effort into being a dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustMeans you're my friend but that is a really stupid point. You are just speculating what beans would do I mean what walrus would do if it were the other way around. You are actually an a****** because you know I don't like white people too much so I don't have any problem with calling the white person at terrorist. You are just so confused and inconsistent that you just couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. I think you should stick to small-town politics over there in Plymouth and just talk about some pasties and things of that nature Mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzYes it is. You are just doing everything in your power to make sure that it is somehow explained as being the Muslims fault and not that of some right wing white bloke. It's a stupid argument. This is the exact argument you would bend over backwards to refute if it were the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWhat Miles said is not unreasonable, the more this shit happens you will have the mentally disorganized and groups that want to retaliate. If it were to stop today it would reduce to the usual tensions and prejudice we have felt for each other since man met someone different back in the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzNone of that makes any sense. You are now blaming Muslims who were run down by some far right nutjob from a Mosque, that after finally managing to get rid of Choudry ten years ago, has a fantastic record in integration and kicking out extremists. This is Corbyn's constituency and it was always very diverse, even when I used to go visit my old man there in the 1970's/80's. Then factor in the fact that the bloke carrying out the atrocity was some Taff who hired a van. Loads of Welsh racists probably even more than English ironically but they are hardly cornered by Muslims in huge numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
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Originally Posted by BeanzYou can think what you want. You don't have to demonstrate your ignorance or racist condescending swell headed nature so explicitly, but you seem intent on just being a prick for the sake of it and so life goes on. What a sad shit life you must lead to put so much effort into being a dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustMeans you're my friend but that is a really stupid point. You are just speculating what beans would do I mean what walrus would do if it were the other way around. You are actually an a****** because you know I don't like white people too much so I don't have any problem with calling the white person at terrorist. You are just so confused and inconsistent that you just couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. I think you should stick to small-town politics over there in Plymouth and just talk about some pasties and things of that nature Mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzYes it is. You are just doing everything in your power to make sure that it is somehow explained as being the Muslims fault and not that of some right wing white bloke. It's a stupid argument. This is the exact argument you would bend over backwards to refute if it were the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWhat Miles said is not unreasonable, the more this shit happens you will have the mentally disorganized and groups that want to retaliate. If it were to stop today it would reduce to the usual tensions and prejudice we have felt for each other since man met someone different back in the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzNone of that makes any sense. You are now blaming Muslims who were run down by some far right nutjob from a Mosque, that after finally managing to get rid of Choudry ten years ago, has a fantastic record in integration and kicking out extremists. This is Corbyn's constituency and it was always very diverse, even when I used to go visit my old man there in the 1970's/80's. Then factor in the fact that the bloke carrying out the atrocity was some Taff who hired a van. Loads of Welsh racists probably even more than English ironically but they are hardly cornered by Muslims in huge numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
You two need to understand that even friends can have a very different view on life , it doesn't make you a bad person.
I could go without your faux outrage for a bit. I ask if people had insurance in a nation where there's the good ol' NHS and what do I get from you? "Wow" I post about why words have meaning and how this guy isn't a terrorist he's a murderer but nah nah, this is how we work now, we work THIS way, if Muslims are terrorists when they do something, then if a White person does something then TERRORIST!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
OK then, call him a terrorist but only then change the word to mean murderer.
Any other SJW nonsense you want to bring up while we're at it?
"If a white guy......" ummm Murderer? Assassin? Those not fitting? OK Terrorist then. He's a terrorist. Are you happy? I called him a terrorist.
If a(singular) Muslim knew of the attacks planned in London or Manchester and didn't tell the authorities.....are they innocent?
They can have a closed off group which doesn't assimilate into you culture or they can be individually looked at they can't... @Beanz, they CAN'T have both.
But hey hey there's been an attack by a white man, ain't ya worried about retaliatory attacks against white men? Ain't ya gonna say #notALLwhiteguys?
No?
NO?????
Well then, I guess we see the double standard now don't we?
At least, AT FUCKING LEAST he wasn't on a watch list.....but that was probably due to racism :rolleyes:
You have confirmed your opinion that it was not a terrorist attack. That is hardly a surprising conclusion for you to draw, but your reasoning and argument is fundamentally flawed. It is the radicalized that are ignorant and deluded, and you are just espousing similar sentiments as the people you are condemning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
A far right Islamaphobe or a far right Islamic Fundamentalist are both ignorant and stupid, believing that the group they oppose, whether that be Muslims or Christian/Secular Western non-muslims, are all exactly the same with the same unchanging nature and character. They are both as dangerous as each other. They want to lash out and kill innocent people en masse to justify their own bigoted prejudice.
There are over a billion Muslims in the world and yet everyone seems intent on homogenizing them in a way they never would with Christians, Jews or Atheists. It's just lazy thinking to wish them all to be ignorant and to suggest it is not a way of life or race is nonsensical and does nothing to advance the argument that attacking and seeking to kill them is in no way terrorism.
Christians, Jews, Atheists, et al don't BELIEVE in death for homosexuality, apostasy, etc in the rates that Muslims do IN GENERAL.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzYou have confirmed your opinion that it was not a terrorist attack. That is hardly a surprising conclusion for you to draw, but your reasoning and argument is fundamentally flawed. It is the radicalized that are ignorant and deluded, and you are just espousing similar sentiments as the people you are condemning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
A far right Islamaphobe or a far right Islamic Fundamentalist are both ignorant and stupid, believing that the group they oppose, whether that be Muslims or Christian/Secular Western non-muslims, are all exactly the same with the same unchanging nature and character. They are both as dangerous as each other. They want to lash out and kill innocent people en masse to justify their own bigoted prejudice.
There are over a billion Muslims in the world and yet everyone seems intent on homogenizing them in a way they never would with Christians, Jews or Atheists. It's just lazy thinking to wish them all to be ignorant and to suggest it is not a way of life or race is nonsensical and does nothing to advance the argument that attacking and seeking to kill them is in no way terrorism.
I'm sorry, there's a stereotype for a reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg
....yeah yeah yeah, I know "But it's a right wing" yada yada yada....the Pew Poll is what it is
The guy who killed all those people in Westminster was a lone wolf. He acted alone and had a history of violence. That does not mean he was not a terrorist. He, just like the right wing nut who plowed into those muslims was ideologically motivated. They are both terrorists because their aim was to terrorize, maim and kill people.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI could go without your faux outrage for a bit. I ask if people had insurance in a nation where there's the good ol' NHS and what do I get from you? "Wow" I post about why words have meaning and how this guy isn't a terrorist he's a murderer but nah nah, this is how we work now, we work THIS way, if Muslims are terrorists when they do something, then if a White person does something then TERRORIST!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
OK then, call him a terrorist but only then change the word to mean murderer.
Any other SJW nonsense you want to bring up while we're at it?
"If a white guy......" ummm Murderer? Assassin? Those not fitting? OK Terrorist then. He's a terrorist. Are you happy? I called him a terrorist.
If a(singular) Muslim knew of the attacks planned in London or Manchester and didn't tell the authorities.....are they innocent?
They can have a closed off group which doesn't assimilate into you culture or they can be individually looked at they can't... @Beanz, they CAN'T have both.
But hey hey there's been an attack by a white man, ain't ya worried about retaliatory attacks against white men? Ain't ya gonna say #notALLwhiteguys?
No?
NO?????
Well then, I guess we see the double standard now don't we?
At least, AT FUCKING LEAST he wasn't on a watch list.....but that was probably due to racism :rolleyes:
You really need to read stuff Lyle. In this thread I have already said how pissed off I am that other posters suggested that the English were a violent lot when the bloke was Welsh. There are no double standards, the double standards are being introduced by people insisting that while Khalid Massood (The Westminster van killer) was a terrorist, that Darren Osborne apparently is not, despite expressing a hatred of Muslims and trying to kill loads of them.
It's not rocket science.
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Then call him a terrorist for fucks sake and be fucking done with it Beanz....what good is it? It's a WORD.
What terrorist organization did Darren Osbourne belong to? White Dudes Inc? Call him whatever you want to....should I say "him" Beanz? Want me to ask what his preferred gender pronoun is before making a guess too? Same shit
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Originally Posted by BeanzYou have confirmed your opinion that it was not a terrorist attack. That is hardly a surprising conclusion for you to draw, but your reasoning and argument is fundamentally flawed. It is the radicalized that are ignorant and deluded, and you are just espousing similar sentiments as the people you are condemning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
A far right Islamaphobe or a far right Islamic Fundamentalist are both ignorant and stupid, believing that the group they oppose, whether that be Muslims or Christian/Secular Western non-muslims, are all exactly the same with the same unchanging nature and character. They are both as dangerous as each other. They want to lash out and kill innocent people en masse to justify their own bigoted prejudice.
There are over a billion Muslims in the world and yet everyone seems intent on homogenizing them in a way they never would with Christians, Jews or Atheists. It's just lazy thinking to wish them all to be ignorant and to suggest it is not a way of life or race is nonsensical and does nothing to advance the argument that attacking and seeking to kill them is in no way terrorism.
To claim this as a terrorist attack is a farce.
One man working alone , no others , not a sleeper cell ,just one man . A murderer is what he is , nothing more.
Not for political gain , just one man , who was acting alone.
The muslim terrorists have an agenda to overthrow the west , this guy was just a wack job.
Ha! Ben Shapiro? I presume you are not being sarcastic, but seriously do you actually listen to or read one single person on earth who is not either presently at Breitbart or used to work there ? It almost seems like you are part of some ignorant indoctrination program. The guy is a stereotype himself, another part of the elite bullshit merchants whose own opinions are just as dumb as those he is condemning.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongChristians, Jews, Atheists, et al don't BELIEVE in death for homosexuality, apostasy, etc in the rates that Muslims do IN GENERAL.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzYou have confirmed your opinion that it was not a terrorist attack. That is hardly a surprising conclusion for you to draw, but your reasoning and argument is fundamentally flawed. It is the radicalized that are ignorant and deluded, and you are just espousing similar sentiments as the people you are condemning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
A far right Islamaphobe or a far right Islamic Fundamentalist are both ignorant and stupid, believing that the group they oppose, whether that be Muslims or Christian/Secular Western non-muslims, are all exactly the same with the same unchanging nature and character. They are both as dangerous as each other. They want to lash out and kill innocent people en masse to justify their own bigoted prejudice.
There are over a billion Muslims in the world and yet everyone seems intent on homogenizing them in a way they never would with Christians, Jews or Atheists. It's just lazy thinking to wish them all to be ignorant and to suggest it is not a way of life or race is nonsensical and does nothing to advance the argument that attacking and seeking to kill them is in no way terrorism.
I'm sorry, there's a stereotype for a reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg
....yeah yeah yeah, I know "But it's a right wing" yada yada yada....the Pew Poll is what it is
Wow
It's a copy cat attack. Exactly the same kind of routine the Muslim nutters like to pull. Obviously a bit of 'If you are going to do it then I will too'. I don't think he is mentally ill at all. He set a goal and went out to achieve it. It is very fucked up but it is what it is. Not a surprise.
Close the borders immediately and calm the storm. But no, they will waffle on about Brexit and borders will remain open. More societal tension and unease. More Muslim bombs. More retaliation. All that because it was racist to hear the words 'Control the bloody immigration'? Amazing. Labour and Tories. Both have failed the country and led it to this.
Terrorism every few days. You just don't see it in Japan? Why? Because they have common sense when it comes to who they let in. Don't bomb, control borders and thus remain peaceful.
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Just my 2 cents but had it not been targeting the worshipers of specific religious sites copying the tactics of other um terrorists I might be inclined to let the terrorist label go. Take a page from us and start categorizing your 'terrorists'. Maybe a 'domestic terrorists'. Figure it out because more will follow. "whacky nut job lone murderer guy" only lasts a while. Payback becomes initial attack and it will cycle itself fast at the pace we're going.
I think you need to call the action, intent and verbalized desire what it is and maybe we'll spend more time sniffing cells, plots and like minded followers out. All from shit peddlers flooding boarders cloaked in many who intend no harm to whacky shits who sit on keyboards soaking up hate and stabbing innocent civilians on a bus.
Here you go kids
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Why do lefties say London Bridge attack was an ‘incident’… but Finsbury Park Mosque attack was ‘terrorism’?
In the two days since Darren Osborne allegedly crashed a van into Muslim worshippers, we have seen some startling double standards
THIS week, leftists finally got animated and angry about an act of terrorism.
They did not just say “Keep calm and carry on”, as they did after the Manchester and London Bridge attacks.
They did not just invite us to lay some flowers and teddy bears and tweet a sad emoji.
They did not try to shush debate or discourage national soul-searching, as they do after Islamist atrocities, always fearing that heated debate might “cause offence”.
No, they said it’s time to get serious about terrorism.
They finally said we Brits need to ask ourselves why our nation is afflicted by ideological violence.
What made them change their tune?
The horrific Finsbury Park Mosque attack. That disgusting assault on innocent Muslims by a suspected adherent of far-right thinking.
This act seems to have agitated some leftists more than any other recent assault on civilians.
It enraged them, prised open their eyes, made them realise there are some serious tensions slicing through 21st-century Britain.
Which raises a really serious question: Why did it take this attack to make them see there’s a problem?
Over the 48 hours since Darren Osborne allegedly crashed a van into Muslim worshippers in Finsbury, we have seen some startling double standards from the Left.
The very people who tell us we must not extrapolate from terror attacks have now done precisely that.
The same people who insist we treat Islamist attacks as acts of individual violence, which tell us nothing about society more broadly, are citing Finsbury as proof that Britain is in the grip of hatred.
After Islamist attacks, leftists always balk from naming the ideological problem. Sometimes they even refuse to use the T-word.
Labour MP Diane Abbott referred to last month’s Manchester Arena bombing, in which 22 souls were wiped out by Salman Abedi, as a “horrific incident” — making it sound like a traffic accident.
But she swiftly applied the T-word to the Finsbury assault. This was a “shocking terror attack”, she said on Twitter, even before all the facts were known.
Her party leader, Jeremy Corbyn, did not refer to the Westminster Bridge attack as terrorism for five days.
In his first comment on this Islamist attack in March — in which Khalid Masood killed four civilians and a police officer — Corbyn described it as a “serious incident”.
In his second, the day after the attack, he said it was an “atrocity” but warned us not to “rush to judgement”.
He had no problem “rushing to judgement” on the Finsbury attack, however.
“This is terror on our streets,” he said just hours after it happened. The double standards are extraordinary.
After acts of Islamist violence, many leftists flat-out refuse to talk about the ideological cause. They refuse to say “Islamist”.
Indeed, when then Ukip leader Paul Nuttall used that word during a BBC General Election debate, he was raged against by the right-on.
It is “outrageous” to use that word, said Green Party leader Caroline Lucas — even though the dictionary definition is an “advocate or supporter of Islamist militancy”, making it an apt term for the Manchester and London Bridge murderers.
Following the Finsbury attack, however, leftists have felt no qualms about naming the ideology allegedly at play.
They have fallen over themselves to brand this “Islamophobic terrorism”.
Suddenly it is OK to talk about the warped intellectual underpinnings of terrorism.
After Islamist assaults, leftists lecture us about how important it is not to hold whole communities responsible.
They patronise us with sermons about how acts of terrorism are the work of one individual, not a community or any culture of hatred.
But after Finsbury, they point the finger at a wide-spread communal hate.
Labour MP Yvette Cooper claimed the Finsbury attack speaks to “an increase in Islamophobia all over the country”.
To get a sense of the double standards at play here, just imagine if a politician went on TV after Manchester and said: “There has been an increase in Islamist prejudice all over the country.” They would be shamed, ridiculed and possibly sacked.
Left-leaning publications which insist Islamist attacks are isolated acts by individuals hypocritically claim the Finsbury attack is the product of a bigger hatred.
This attack confirms that we have “allowed Islamophobia to flourish”, says the New Statesman. It shows how “normalised” anti-Islam prejudice has become, says the Guardian.
The Finsbury attack chimes with the Guardian’s leftist prejudice, especially its prejudice against ordinary, non Guardian-reading people.
Perhaps the most striking double standard post-Finsbury has been the swift indictment of tabloid newspapers and right-wing “hate preachers”.
After Islamist attacks, leftists ring-fence the Koran from criticism and rage against any suggestion imams’ sermons should be monitored.
After Finsbury they have charged certain newspapers with fomenting violence.
The Independent slams sections of the press for “stirring up the hatred that lies in some people’s souls”.
One left-wing writer says the press is “whipping up” the “vulnerable” into “hysteria”.
By “vulnerable”, he means everyday, working-class Brits, who are viewed by many leftists as imbeciles easily coaxed into violent behaviour.
These double standards leave us with only one conclusion: Leftists care more about Muslims than non-Muslims. They find terrorism more repulsive when it is aimed at the Muslim community.
Those of us who genuinely care about democracy and solidarity should reject these double standards and argue that all forms of ideological violence are equally obnoxious.
Where is that quote from? What a load of bollocks.
The "hate-preacher" shit is beyond a joke. Started out with Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins, then Farage, then Douglas Murray then Maajid Nawaz (BBC forced to apologise).
We must stop these far right Anjem Choudary's from fueling hate to the ignorant bigoted masses. Hopkins? Go on then, Farage? Well if you must, Murray? It's getting silly now, Nawaz? Right, you've had your fun, fuck off.
it's from that very well respected newspaper known as The SunQuote:
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The Sun seem to be less extreme than normal. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Batmanit's from that very well respected newspaper known as The SunQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
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What is most insulting is being told by some foreign billionaire how not only to act and feel and what British people should be outraged about but couching it in shitty American gobbldeegook. Terms like leftists and liberals adopted wholesale by far right xenophobes in this country who actually know very little of it's history and give even less of a fuck about it's future. Ignorant denial and fucking terms like "allegedly attacked" and lashing out at anyone who is not as downright fucking twisted as them. Fucking ScumQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe Sun seem to be less extreme than normal. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Batmanit's from that very well respected newspaper known as The SunQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
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Your opinions on people who are not on the left side of politics , is extreme to say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzWhat is most insulting is being told by some foreign billionaire how not only to act and feel and what British people should be outraged about but couching it in shitty American gobbldeegook. Terms like leftists and liberals adopted wholesale by far right xenophobes in this country who actually know very little of it's history and give even less of a fuck about it's future. Ignorant denial and fucking terms like "allegedly attacked" and lashing out at anyone who is not as downright fucking twisted as them. Fucking ScumQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe Sun seem to be less extreme than normal. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Batmanit's from that very well respected newspaper known as The SunQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
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If anyone calls the left liberals , the rattle comes out of the pram , people are allowed to disagree with you Beanz without them being scum.
Beanz's reactionary ultra-wibby wibby Weftism cannot be explained in any sane way. DSM-IV needs to be brought in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlYour opinions on people who are not on the left side of politics , is extreme to say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzWhat is most insulting is being told by some foreign billionaire how not only to act and feel and what British people should be outraged about but couching it in shitty American gobbldeegook. Terms like leftists and liberals adopted wholesale by far right xenophobes in this country who actually know very little of it's history and give even less of a fuck about it's future. Ignorant denial and fucking terms like "allegedly attacked" and lashing out at anyone who is not as downright fucking twisted as them. Fucking ScumQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe Sun seem to be less extreme than normal. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Batmanit's from that very well respected newspaper known as The SunQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
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If anyone calls the left liberals , the rattle comes out of the pram , people are allowed to disagree with you Beanz without them being scum.
Murdoch and the journalists who write for him at the Sun are scum. You want to defend them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlYour opinions on people who are not on the left side of politics , is extreme to say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzWhat is most insulting is being told by some foreign billionaire how not only to act and feel and what British people should be outraged about but couching it in shitty American gobbldeegook. Terms like leftists and liberals adopted wholesale by far right xenophobes in this country who actually know very little of it's history and give even less of a fuck about it's future. Ignorant denial and fucking terms like "allegedly attacked" and lashing out at anyone who is not as downright fucking twisted as them. Fucking ScumQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe Sun seem to be less extreme than normal. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Batmanit's from that very well respected newspaper known as The SunQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
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If anyone calls the left liberals , the rattle comes out of the pram , people are allowed to disagree with you Beanz without them being scum.
What utter gall to impose your beliefs about who is scum and who isnt scum on other peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzMurdoch and the journalists who write for him at the Sun are scum. You want to defend them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlYour opinions on people who are not on the left side of politics , is extreme to say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzWhat is most insulting is being told by some foreign billionaire how not only to act and feel and what British people should be outraged about but couching it in shitty American gobbldeegook. Terms like leftists and liberals adopted wholesale by far right xenophobes in this country who actually know very little of it's history and give even less of a fuck about it's future. Ignorant denial and fucking terms like "allegedly attacked" and lashing out at anyone who is not as downright fucking twisted as them. Fucking ScumQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe Sun seem to be less extreme than normal. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Batmanit's from that very well respected newspaper known as The SunQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
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If anyone calls the left liberals , the rattle comes out of the pram , people are allowed to disagree with you Beanz without them being scum.
Why are you lot so against free speech? What is it about it that frightens you so much? Apparently nobody else's opinion is welcome anymore or deemed relevant because you have now progressed to be mind readers and the absolute authority on every subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustWhat utter gall to impose your beliefs about who is scum and who isnt scum on other peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzMurdoch and the journalists who write for him at the Sun are scum. You want to defend them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlYour opinions on people who are not on the left side of politics , is extreme to say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzWhat is most insulting is being told by some foreign billionaire how not only to act and feel and what British people should be outraged about but couching it in shitty American gobbldeegook. Terms like leftists and liberals adopted wholesale by far right xenophobes in this country who actually know very little of it's history and give even less of a fuck about it's future. Ignorant denial and fucking terms like "allegedly attacked" and lashing out at anyone who is not as downright fucking twisted as them. Fucking ScumQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe Sun seem to be less extreme than normal. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Batmanit's from that very well respected newspaper known as The SunQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
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If anyone calls the left liberals , the rattle comes out of the pram , people are allowed to disagree with you Beanz without them being scum.
It's a bit intellectually and socially feeble. Fucking group think bollocks. Even Miles has jumped on board now.
Murdoch and the Sun are a joke , but my view is much further right than many are you calling me scum was my point ?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzMurdoch and the journalists who write for him at the Sun are scum. You want to defend them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlYour opinions on people who are not on the left side of politics , is extreme to say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzWhat is most insulting is being told by some foreign billionaire how not only to act and feel and what British people should be outraged about but couching it in shitty American gobbldeegook. Terms like leftists and liberals adopted wholesale by far right xenophobes in this country who actually know very little of it's history and give even less of a fuck about it's future. Ignorant denial and fucking terms like "allegedly attacked" and lashing out at anyone who is not as downright fucking twisted as them. Fucking ScumQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe Sun seem to be less extreme than normal. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Batmanit's from that very well respected newspaper known as The SunQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
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If anyone calls the left liberals , the rattle comes out of the pram , people are allowed to disagree with you Beanz without them being scum.
Damn the projection and paranoia is setting in again there mate. Take a deep breath. Its just a bloody forum. (And Ramadan)Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzWhy are you lot so against free speech? What is it about it that frightens you so much? Apparently nobody else's opinion is welcome anymore or deemed relevant because you have now progressed to be mind readers and the absolute authority on every subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustWhat utter gall to impose your beliefs about who is scum and who isnt scum on other peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanzMurdoch and the journalists who write for him at the Sun are scum. You want to defend them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlYour opinions on people who are not on the left side of politics , is extreme to say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzWhat is most insulting is being told by some foreign billionaire how not only to act and feel and what British people should be outraged about but couching it in shitty American gobbldeegook. Terms like leftists and liberals adopted wholesale by far right xenophobes in this country who actually know very little of it's history and give even less of a fuck about it's future. Ignorant denial and fucking terms like "allegedly attacked" and lashing out at anyone who is not as downright fucking twisted as them. Fucking ScumQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe Sun seem to be less extreme than normal. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Batmanit's from that very well respected newspaper known as The SunQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz
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If anyone calls the left liberals , the rattle comes out of the pram , people are allowed to disagree with you Beanz without them being scum.
It's a bit intellectually and socially feeble. Fucking group think bollocks. Even Miles has jumped on board now.
Or course not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlMurdoch and the Sun are a joke , but my view is much further right than many are you calling me scum was my point ?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzMurdoch and the journalists who write for him at the Sun are scum. You want to defend them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlYour opinions on people who are not on the left side of politics , is extreme to say the least.If anyone calls the left liberals , the rattle comes out of the pram , people are allowed to disagree with you Beanz without them being scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzWhat is most insulting is being told by some foreign billionaire how not only to act and feel and what British people should be outraged about but couching it in shitty American gobbldeegook. Terms like leftists and liberals adopted wholesale by far right xenophobes in this country who actually know very little of it's history and give even less of a fuck about it's future. Ignorant denial and fucking terms like "allegedly attacked" and lashing out at anyone who is not as downright fucking twisted as them. Fucking ScumQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterThe Sun seem to be less extreme than normal. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Batmanit's from that very well respected newspaper known as The Sun;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanz