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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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Alpha
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Primo Carnera
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Ron Swanson
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Primo Carnera
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Ron Swanson
Some people are saying things that don’t make sense. Canelo absolutely isn’t going to DAZN as it is subscription, they don’t have the PPV platform. And PBC doesn’t have enough money? 1)that doesn’t matter because he will go to the largest PPV platform which PBC is already in bed with and 2)PBC has the largest actual boxing budget by far. For example 5 times that of DAZN for 2019
We all have our biases, but let’s take an objective look. GGG was considered a take all comers guy. At the same age GGG fought
Milton Nunez
Nilsson Julio Tapia
Kissim Ouma
Lajuan Simon
Makoto Fuchigami
Grzegorz Proska
Gabriel Rosado
Nobuhiro Ishida
From 28-32. There are obviously reasons behind that but let’s just keep it to who they fought/will fight. Does anyone really want to tie their name to saying Canelo will fight a list of opponents that weak?
People have good reason to hate Canelo but I can say with absolute confidence in the next 4 years Canelo will fight better opponents than that.
Good old Ronnie baby, making the “stats” work in favour of his argument as usual. Now Canelo’s opponents will be better in the “28-32” bracket. But GGG had only been a pro for 4 years at 28.
Now Canelo’s opponents after 4 years as a pro reads:
Antonio_Fitch
Euri Gonzales
Michel Rosales
Jefferson Gonçalo
Murat Khuzeev
Carlos Herrera
Lanardo Tyner
Doesn’t quite tell the same story does it ?
So you’re comparing a child with a 28 year old man and you think you are the one being fair? 😂
Okay, let’s put this a different way even though it is clearly slanted in your favor with GGG being at the end and Canelo just entering his prime. Who has fought better opposition in total?
“ So you’re comparing a child with a 28 year old man and you think you are the one being fair? 😂“
uh, no, I wasn’t comparing anyone with anyone. I was merely showing how you can make stats work in your favour .
“ Okay, let’s put this a different way even though it is clearly slanted in your favor with GGG being at the end and Canelo just entering his prime. Who has fought better opposition in total?”
Canelo...... but it has to be said that nearly every single fight (bar Floyd) was on his terms. Shane when he was old, Matthew Hatton for a title and sooooooo many fighters that had to boil down to his desired catchweight , and fighting guys that are small at the weight and so on and so forth.
Look , Canelo shouldn’t have even be fighting cos he’s a drug cheat. GGG is a cock because he went from “wanting all the belts” to begging somebody for a fight who didn’t have a belt. He deserved what he got.
I couldn’t give a flying fuck for either of them anymore if I’m honest.
Canelo should be banned and GGG should retire.
Good post, Canelo has fought the better opposition overall, but how many of those top opponents did he beat convincingly? Trout, Lara, both GGG fights, the loss to Floyd etc.
Does that matter? This came up because people are writing out Canelo’s career as if he will only take on fodder. It’s a lie and it shouldn’t also be an echo chamber.
Not saying you are participating in the echo chamber, just saying don’t let them trick you into participating in the echo chamber. If the narrative had truth to it it would be fine. But Canelo is 28 and has at least 5 fights against sure HOFers. He took on Trout when he didn’t have to, he took on Lara when he didn’t have to. I hated Caneloweight as much as anyone but people trying to rewrite his career as if he won’t take a challenge are being dishonest
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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Ron Swanson
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
Some people are saying things that don’t make sense. Canelo absolutely isn’t going to DAZN as it is subscription, they don’t have the PPV platform. And PBC doesn’t have enough money? 1)that doesn’t matter because he will go to the largest PPV platform which PBC is already in bed with and 2)PBC has the largest actual boxing budget by far. For example 5 times that of DAZN for 2019
We all have our biases, but let’s take an objective look. GGG was considered a take all comers guy. At the same age GGG fought
Milton Nunez
Nilsson Julio Tapia
Kissim Ouma
Lajuan Simon
Makoto Fuchigami
Grzegorz Proska
Gabriel Rosado
Nobuhiro Ishida
From 28-32. There are obviously reasons behind that but let’s just keep it to who they fought/will fight. Does anyone really want to tie their name to saying Canelo will fight a list of opponents that weak?
People have good reason to hate Canelo but I can say with absolute confidence in the next 4 years Canelo will fight better opponents than that.
Good old Ronnie baby, making the “stats” work in favour of his argument as usual. Now Canelo’s opponents will be better in the “28-32” bracket. But GGG had only been a pro for 4 years at 28.
Now Canelo’s opponents after 4 years as a pro reads:
Antonio_Fitch
Euri Gonzales
Michel Rosales
Jefferson Gonçalo
Murat Khuzeev
Carlos Herrera
Lanardo Tyner
Doesn’t quite tell the same story does it ?
So you’re comparing a child with a 28 year old man and you think you are the one being fair? 😂
Okay, let’s put this a different way even though it is clearly slanted in your favor with GGG being at the end and Canelo just entering his prime. Who has fought better opposition in total?
A child??
Listen.
If Canelo was old enough to begin putting "W"'s in his professional record, regardless of whether they were taxicab drivers or bartenders from his neighborhood, he's old enough to have his record compared after the same years of being pro.
Shocked that you want to stack the deck against him, shocked.
I don’t like Canelo either but you go way way way too far with it.
Yes, we all know I don't like Canelo nor his team. Yet none of what you just said refutes my point.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by
Alpha
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
Some people are saying things that don’t make sense. Canelo absolutely isn’t going to DAZN as it is subscription, they don’t have the PPV platform. And PBC doesn’t have enough money? 1)that doesn’t matter because he will go to the largest PPV platform which PBC is already in bed with and 2)PBC has the largest actual boxing budget by far. For example 5 times that of DAZN for 2019
We all have our biases, but let’s take an objective look. GGG was considered a take all comers guy. At the same age GGG fought
Milton Nunez
Nilsson Julio Tapia
Kissim Ouma
Lajuan Simon
Makoto Fuchigami
Grzegorz Proska
Gabriel Rosado
Nobuhiro Ishida
From 28-32. There are obviously reasons behind that but let’s just keep it to who they fought/will fight. Does anyone really want to tie their name to saying Canelo will fight a list of opponents that weak?
People have good reason to hate Canelo but I can say with absolute confidence in the next 4 years Canelo will fight better opponents than that.
Good old Ronnie baby, making the “stats” work in favour of his argument as usual. Now Canelo’s opponents will be better in the “28-32” bracket. But GGG had only been a pro for 4 years at 28.
Now Canelo’s opponents after 4 years as a pro reads:
Antonio_Fitch
Euri Gonzales
Michel Rosales
Jefferson Gonçalo
Murat Khuzeev
Carlos Herrera
Lanardo Tyner
Doesn’t quite tell the same story does it ?
So you’re comparing a child with a 28 year old man and you think you are the one being fair? 😂
Okay, let’s put this a different way even though it is clearly slanted in your favor with GGG being at the end and Canelo just entering his prime. Who has fought better opposition in total?
“ So you’re comparing a child with a 28 year old man and you think you are the one being fair? 😂“
uh, no, I wasn’t comparing anyone with anyone. I was merely showing how you can make stats work in your favour .
“ Okay, let’s put this a different way even though it is clearly slanted in your favor with GGG being at the end and Canelo just entering his prime. Who has fought better opposition in total?”
Canelo...... but it has to be said that nearly every single fight (bar Floyd) was on his terms. Shane when he was old, Matthew Hatton for a title and sooooooo many fighters that had to boil down to his desired catchweight , and fighting guys that are small at the weight and so on and so forth.
Look , Canelo shouldn’t have even be fighting cos he’s a drug cheat. GGG is a cock because he went from “wanting all the belts” to begging somebody for a fight who didn’t have a belt. He deserved what he got.
I couldn’t give a flying fuck for either of them anymore if I’m honest.
Canelo should be banned and GGG should retire.
Good post, Canelo has fought the better opposition overall, but how many of those top opponents did he beat convincingly? Trout, Lara, both GGG fights, the loss to Floyd etc.
Does that matter? This came up because people are writing out Canelo’s career as if he will only take on fodder. It’s a lie and it shouldn’t also be an echo chamber.
Not saying you are participating in the echo chamber, just saying don’t let them trick you into participating in the echo chamber. If the narrative had truth to it it would be fine. But Canelo is 28 and has at least 5 fights against sure HOFers. He took on Trout when he didn’t have to, he took on Lara when he didn’t have to. I hated Caneloweight as much as anyone but people trying to rewrite his career as if he won’t take a challenge are being dishonest
Yea it does matter, sure he fought these guys, but it's not like he was dominating (or even beating) them.
Canelo's opposition has been very good, he's fought GGG twice already, nuff said. But he has had many advantages at times and been very well 'managed'.
I think we know each other well enough to know that neither of us will not be influenced and are able to form our own opinions.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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But Canelo is 28 and has at least 5 fights against sure HOFers.
I count 4, but that's just me. Let's revisit.....
1. Shane Mosley - A shell of his former self, winless over his previous 3 fights. INCLUDING.... a draw against superstar (cough) Sergio Mora.
2. Floyd - A total whitewash of epic and embarrassing proportions, regardless of what CJ Ross was paid to say.
3. Cotto - Always undersized, never to be the same size as Canelo at fight time. Cotto was no middleweight..... Canelo can fight at light heavy if he wants to. Good fight, but uphill climb in Vegas.
4. GGG - No need to revisit that one, right? ;)
Forget about who hates who. We're talking facts here. If you're willing to give your take on things.... you should be willing to hear others' take as well.
BTW...... you look at the opponents of some of the fighters above. Those are real lineups. Particularly Mosley, Floyd, and Cotto. From the start. Not 40 fights into their pro careers.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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TitoFan
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Ron Swanson
But Canelo is 28 and has at least 5 fights against sure HOFers.
I count 4, but that's just me. Let's revisit.....
1. Shane Mosley - A shell of his former self, winless over his previous 3 fights. INCLUDING.... a draw against superstar (cough) Sergio Mora.
2. Floyd - A total whitewash of epic and embarrassing proportions, regardless of what CJ Ross was paid to say.
3. Cotto - Always undersized, never to be the same size as Canelo at fight time. Cotto was no middleweight..... Canelo can fight at light heavy if he wants to. Good fight, but uphill climb in Vegas.
4. GGG - No need to revisit that one, right? ;)
Forget about who hates who. We're talking facts here. If you're willing to give your take on things.... you should be willing to hear others' take as well.
BTW...... you look at the opponents of some of the fighters above. Those are real lineups. Particularly Mosley, Floyd, and Cotto. From the start. Not 40 fights into their pro careers.
He fought GGG twice so that makes “5 fights”
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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Alpha
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Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by
Alpha
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
Some people are saying things that don’t make sense. Canelo absolutely isn’t going to DAZN as it is subscription, they don’t have the PPV platform. And PBC doesn’t have enough money? 1)that doesn’t matter because he will go to the largest PPV platform which PBC is already in bed with and 2)PBC has the largest actual boxing budget by far. For example 5 times that of DAZN for 2019
We all have our biases, but let’s take an objective look. GGG was considered a take all comers guy. At the same age GGG fought
Milton Nunez
Nilsson Julio Tapia
Kissim Ouma
Lajuan Simon
Makoto Fuchigami
Grzegorz Proska
Gabriel Rosado
Nobuhiro Ishida
From 28-32. There are obviously reasons behind that but let’s just keep it to who they fought/will fight. Does anyone really want to tie their name to saying Canelo will fight a list of opponents that weak?
People have good reason to hate Canelo but I can say with absolute confidence in the next 4 years Canelo will fight better opponents than that.
Good old Ronnie baby, making the “stats” work in favour of his argument as usual. Now Canelo’s opponents will be better in the “28-32” bracket. But GGG had only been a pro for 4 years at 28.
Now Canelo’s opponents after 4 years as a pro reads:
Antonio_Fitch
Euri Gonzales
Michel Rosales
Jefferson Gonçalo
Murat Khuzeev
Carlos Herrera
Lanardo Tyner
Doesn’t quite tell the same story does it ?
So you’re comparing a child with a 28 year old man and you think you are the one being fair? 😂
Okay, let’s put this a different way even though it is clearly slanted in your favor with GGG being at the end and Canelo just entering his prime. Who has fought better opposition in total?
“ So you’re comparing a child with a 28 year old man and you think you are the one being fair? 😂“
uh, no, I wasn’t comparing anyone with anyone. I was merely showing how you can make stats work in your favour .
“ Okay, let’s put this a different way even though it is clearly slanted in your favor with GGG being at the end and Canelo just entering his prime. Who has fought better opposition in total?”
Canelo...... but it has to be said that nearly every single fight (bar Floyd) was on his terms. Shane when he was old, Matthew Hatton for a title and sooooooo many fighters that had to boil down to his desired catchweight , and fighting guys that are small at the weight and so on and so forth.
Look , Canelo shouldn’t have even be fighting cos he’s a drug cheat. GGG is a cock because he went from “wanting all the belts” to begging somebody for a fight who didn’t have a belt. He deserved what he got.
I couldn’t give a flying fuck for either of them anymore if I’m honest.
Canelo should be banned and GGG should retire.
Good post, Canelo has fought the better opposition overall, but how many of those top opponents did he beat convincingly? Trout, Lara, both GGG fights, the loss to Floyd etc.
Does that matter? This came up because people are writing out Canelo’s career as if he will only take on fodder. It’s a lie and it shouldn’t also be an echo chamber.
Not saying you are participating in the echo chamber, just saying don’t let them trick you into participating in the echo chamber. If the narrative had truth to it it would be fine. But Canelo is 28 and has at least 5 fights against sure HOFers. He took on Trout when he didn’t have to, he took on Lara when he didn’t have to. I hated Caneloweight as much as anyone but people trying to rewrite his career as if he won’t take a challenge are being dishonest
Yea it does matter, sure he fought these guys, but it's not like he was dominating (or even beating) them.
Canelo's opposition has been very good, he's fought GGG twice already, nuff said. But he has had many advantages at times and been very well 'managed'.
I think we know each other well enough to know that neither of us will not be influenced and are able to form our own opinions.
I think you are looking at a how good is he argument. I’m with you in that I don’t think he’s that good. I’m still shocked by GGG II, I was very impressed by both.
I’m only talking about if he is willing to make tough fights. The evidence is indisputable that he is willing.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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Ron Swanson
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TitoFan
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Ron Swanson
But Canelo is 28 and has at least 5 fights against sure HOFers.
I count 4, but that's just me. Let's revisit.....
1. Shane Mosley - A shell of his former self, winless over his previous 3 fights. INCLUDING.... a draw against superstar (cough) Sergio Mora.
2. Floyd - A total whitewash of epic and embarrassing proportions, regardless of what CJ Ross was paid to say.
3. Cotto - Always undersized, never to be the same size as Canelo at fight time. Cotto was no middleweight..... Canelo can fight at light heavy if he wants to. Good fight, but uphill climb in Vegas.
4. GGG - No need to revisit that one, right? ;)
Forget about who hates who. We're talking facts here. If you're willing to give your take on things.... you should be willing to hear others' take as well.
BTW...... you look at the opponents of some of the fighters above. Those are real lineups. Particularly Mosley, Floyd, and Cotto. From the start. Not 40 fights into their pro careers.
He fought GGG twice so that makes “5 fights”
Right, 5 fights.
I gave Canelo his just due for a good fight in GGG 2. I still think he lost and was gifted. My point regarding his other HOF opponents remains, though.
I give him credit for Trout and for facing Lara, though I feel he lost that last one as well..... and got gifted.
Didn't fail to notice how he'll be facing Fielding in MSG in New York. First time he's been out of the Vegas/ Texas/ Mexico comfort zone.
I'll bet the house next time he fights someone "dangerous" he'll be right back in Vegas.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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TitoFan
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Ron Swanson
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
But Canelo is 28 and has at least 5 fights against sure HOFers.
I count 4, but that's just me. Let's revisit.....
1. Shane Mosley - A shell of his former self, winless over his previous 3 fights. INCLUDING.... a draw against superstar (cough) Sergio Mora.
2. Floyd - A total whitewash of epic and embarrassing proportions, regardless of what CJ Ross was paid to say.
3. Cotto - Always undersized, never to be the same size as Canelo at fight time. Cotto was no middleweight..... Canelo can fight at light heavy if he wants to. Good fight, but uphill climb in Vegas.
4. GGG - No need to revisit that one, right? ;)
Forget about who hates who. We're talking facts here. If you're willing to give your take on things.... you should be willing to hear others' take as well.
BTW...... you look at the opponents of some of the fighters above. Those are real lineups. Particularly Mosley, Floyd, and Cotto. From the start. Not 40 fights into their pro careers.
He fought GGG twice so that makes “5 fights”
Right, 5 fights.
I gave Canelo his just due for a good fight in GGG 2. I still think he lost and was gifted. My point regarding his other HOF opponents remains, though.
I give him credit for Trout and for facing Lara, though I feel he lost that last one as well..... and got gifted.
Didn't fail to notice how he'll be facing Fielding in MSG in New York. First time he's been out of the Vegas/ Texas/ Mexico comfort zone.
I'll bet the house next time he fights someone "dangerous" he'll be right back in Vegas.
Or Texas or California, he will have an unfair advantage in any of those places. But I don’t care so much about what judges decide. I care about good fights and how I see them. I’ve never complimented Canelo as much as I do for the GGG II fight in which most believe he lost I didn’t have him winning. It was impressive. And if he had any doubts about himself before they should be gone now.
I see nothing wrong with a Fielding fight on quick turnaround. If he fights another guy that level in May there are issues
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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Ron Swanson
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
But Canelo is 28 and has at least 5 fights against sure HOFers.
I count 4, but that's just me. Let's revisit.....
1. Shane Mosley - A shell of his former self, winless over his previous 3 fights. INCLUDING.... a draw against superstar (cough) Sergio Mora.
2. Floyd - A total whitewash of epic and embarrassing proportions, regardless of what CJ Ross was paid to say.
3. Cotto - Always undersized, never to be the same size as Canelo at fight time. Cotto was no middleweight..... Canelo can fight at light heavy if he wants to. Good fight, but uphill climb in Vegas.
4. GGG - No need to revisit that one, right? ;)
Forget about who hates who. We're talking facts here. If you're willing to give your take on things.... you should be willing to hear others' take as well.
BTW...... you look at the opponents of some of the fighters above. Those are real lineups. Particularly Mosley, Floyd, and Cotto. From the start. Not 40 fights into their pro careers.
He fought GGG twice so that makes “5 fights”
Right, 5 fights.
I gave Canelo his just due for a good fight in GGG 2. I still think he lost and was gifted. My point regarding his other HOF opponents remains, though.
I give him credit for Trout and for facing Lara, though I feel he lost that last one as well..... and got gifted.
Didn't fail to notice how he'll be facing Fielding in MSG in New York. First time he's been out of the Vegas/ Texas/ Mexico comfort zone.
I'll bet the house next time he fights someone "dangerous" he'll be right back in Vegas.
Or Texas or California, he will have an unfair advantage in any of those places. But I don’t care so much about what judges decide. I care about good fights and how I see them. I’ve never complimented Canelo as much as I do for the GGG II fight in which most believe he lost I didn’t have him winning. It was impressive. And if he had any doubts about himself before they should be gone now.
I see nothing wrong with a Fielding fight on quick turnaround. If he fights another guy that level in May there are issues
Agree with this post, Fielding is on par with Lemieux I guess. Canelo should more than likely step back up again in May.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
Just my opinion but choreographed trinket grab moves like this tend to leave me more negative on the sport the last couple of years. It's a fight no one asked for and no one wants let alone one not a single soul was thinking of. All to get a guy who tip toed his way to full fledge 160 and didn't make a definitive defining statement until his 51st fight a "historic 4th division title" as if it's some rare feat this era. Here's the thing..if you are essentially the only big media star in an entire promotion, if you are fed with a silver spoon and allowed to skirt CWs with last minute contract changes, if you have pumped PEDs into your arse and get a slap on the wrist, if the sport passes belts around like bongs at a spring break parties and has a steady supply of sub par pretty obscure trinket holders..with respect..and if three Ws and one D on your record arguably should be Ls...it's not all that difficult or relevant. I gave Canelo nothing but respect after Golovkin II but this is nothing but an empty step sideways to have a dance solo while his entire real division is blowing up around him. And he goes on a waltz to count shiny objects and milk the teats off of the fans. I don't think he has any intention of staying there but rest assured he'll be watching his clock from the sideline while they sort each other out and Golovkin is forced to fight his mandatory :cwm13:. Like I said..negative on it ;D but you have to praise it when it's great and call bs on it when it's meh. It's the move and belt milking that bugs me more. I get that he is off 24 rnd at top tier with Golovkin. One good thing it's a card a week or so before to Christmas and years end. Usually the schedule dries up badly in December.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
I'm curious if people would have preferred Lemieux over Fielding?
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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Alpha
I'm curious if people would have preferred Lemieux over Fielding?
I agree with @Spicoli
Tip toed into 160 is right. Now that he's there and fought GGG twice, he's jumping up to challenge for a title at 168. Screw the other 160-pounders who would give a kidney for a shot at Canelo. Let me get that other belt while the dangerous guys at 160 knock each other out. Predictable, safe, and calculated.
Sorry... to answer your question. Yes, I would've preferred Lemieux over Fielding.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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TitoFan
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Alpha
I'm curious if people would have preferred Lemieux over Fielding?
I agree with @
Spicoli
Tip toed into 160 is right. Now that he's there and fought GGG twice, he's jumping up to challenge for a title at 168. Screw the other 160-pounders who would give a kidney for a shot at Canelo. Let me get that other belt while the dangerous guys at 160 knock each other out. Predictable, safe, and calculated.
Sorry... to answer your question. Yes, I would've preferred Lemieux over Fielding.
For me they could be considered similar in opposition level.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
Just boycott Canelo. Do not watch his fights. DO NOT WATCH!
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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Just boycott Canelo. Do not watch his fights. DO NOT WATCH!
Why? The 2nd GGG fight was fantastic.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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Alpha
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Alpha
I'm curious if people would have preferred Lemieux over Fielding?
I agree with @
Spicoli
Tip toed into 160 is right. Now that he's there and fought GGG twice, he's jumping up to challenge for a title at 168. Screw the other 160-pounders who would give a kidney for a shot at Canelo. Let me get that other belt while the dangerous guys at 160 knock each other out. Predictable, safe, and calculated.
Sorry... to answer your question. Yes, I would've preferred Lemieux over Fielding.
For me they could be considered similar in opposition level.
Not saying otherwise. But stay at 160, which you avoided for so long, and fight all opposition there. Don't pretend you've somehow "cleaned out" 160 and are ready for new challenges. Otherwise, multiple weight titles are a bit meaningless. Remember Canelo initially avoid GGG and trying to goad him to 154..... and now seeing him bolt to grab a belt at 168, is so artificial and meaningless.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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Alpha
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TitoFan
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Alpha
I'm curious if people would have preferred Lemieux over Fielding?
I agree with @
Spicoli
Tip toed into 160 is right. Now that he's there and fought GGG twice, he's jumping up to challenge for a title at 168. Screw the other 160-pounders who would give a kidney for a shot at Canelo. Let me get that other belt while the dangerous guys at 160 knock each other out. Predictable, safe, and calculated.
Sorry... to answer your question. Yes, I would've preferred Lemieux over Fielding.
For me they could be considered similar in opposition level.
Feels like more of an honest fight for what was building up in front of the fans and every fight his "one punch eraser" is raved on. Then again with Lemieux already being white washed by fellow top 160 BJS and Golovkin it puts Canelo in position to improve on that or live up to in a way. I prefer Lemieux. Fielding is a blank slate State Side and guarantees Canelo all the focused stardom.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Alpha
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Alpha
I'm curious if people would have preferred Lemieux over Fielding?
I agree with @
Spicoli
Tip toed into 160 is right. Now that he's there and fought GGG twice, he's jumping up to challenge for a title at 168. Screw the other 160-pounders who would give a kidney for a shot at Canelo. Let me get that other belt while the dangerous guys at 160 knock each other out. Predictable, safe, and calculated.
Sorry... to answer your question. Yes, I would've preferred Lemieux over Fielding.
For me they could be considered similar in opposition level.
Not saying otherwise. But stay at 160, which you avoided for so long, and fight all opposition there. Don't pretend you've somehow "cleaned out" 160 and are ready for new challenges. Otherwise, multiple weight titles are a bit meaningless. Remember Canelo initially avoid GGG and trying to goad him to 154..... and now seeing him bolt to grab a belt at 168, is so artificial and meaningless.
I agree about staying at 160, I think I'm the only one who wants Canelo/ GGG III after the December fight. He is back in the ring quick tho, and as I said Fielding and Lemieux are similar in level.
It seems like a buffer for Canelo, so he can sit back and see what happens, before deciding if he returns to 160 or not.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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Primo Carnera
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Ron Swanson
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Primo Carnera
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Some people are saying things that don’t make sense. Canelo absolutely isn’t going to DAZN as it is subscription, they don’t have the PPV platform. And PBC doesn’t have enough money? 1)that doesn’t matter because he will go to the largest PPV platform which PBC is already in bed with and 2)PBC has the largest actual boxing budget by far. For example 5 times that of DAZN for 2019
We all have our biases, but let’s take an objective look. GGG was considered a take all comers guy. At the same age GGG fought
Milton Nunez
Nilsson Julio Tapia
Kissim Ouma
Lajuan Simon
Makoto Fuchigami
Grzegorz Proska
Gabriel Rosado
Nobuhiro Ishida
From 28-32. There are obviously reasons behind that but let’s just keep it to who they fought/will fight. Does anyone really want to tie their name to saying Canelo will fight a list of opponents that weak?
People have good reason to hate Canelo but I can say with absolute confidence in the next 4 years Canelo will fight better opponents than that.
Good old Ronnie baby, making the “stats” work in favour of his argument as usual. Now Canelo’s opponents will be better in the “28-32” bracket. But GGG had only been a pro for 4 years at 28.
Now Canelo’s opponents after 4 years as a pro reads:
Antonio_Fitch
Euri Gonzales
Michel Rosales
Jefferson Gonçalo
Murat Khuzeev
Carlos Herrera
Lanardo Tyner
Doesn’t quite tell the same story does it ?
So you’re comparing a child with a 28 year old man and you think you are the one being fair? 😂
Okay, let’s put this a different way even though it is clearly slanted in your favor with GGG being at the end and Canelo just entering his prime. Who has fought better opposition in total?
“ So you’re comparing a child with a 28 year old man and you think you are the one being fair? 😂“
uh, no, I wasn’t comparing anyone with anyone. I was merely showing how you can make stats work in your favour .
“ Okay, let’s put this a different way even though it is clearly slanted in your favor with GGG being at the end and Canelo just entering his prime. Who has fought better opposition in total?”
Canelo...... but it has to be said that nearly every single fight (bar Floyd) was on his terms. Shane when he was old, Matthew Hatton for a title and sooooooo many fighters that had to boil down to his desired catchweight , and fighting guys that are small at the weight and so on and so forth.
Look , Canelo shouldn’t have even be fighting cos he’s a drug cheat. GGG is a cock because he went from “wanting all the belts” to begging somebody for a fight who didn’t have a belt. He deserved what he got.
I couldn’t give a flying fuck for either of them anymore if I’m honest.
Canelo should be banned and GGG should retire.
So you agree Canelo will fight better fighters which was the point
And you agree that after 4 years as a pro , GGG was fighting better fighters than Canelo?
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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Primo Carnera
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Ron Swanson
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Primo Carnera
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Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Ron Swanson
Some people are saying things that don’t make sense. Canelo absolutely isn’t going to DAZN as it is subscription, they don’t have the PPV platform. And PBC doesn’t have enough money? 1)that doesn’t matter because he will go to the largest PPV platform which PBC is already in bed with and 2)PBC has the largest actual boxing budget by far. For example 5 times that of DAZN for 2019
We all have our biases, but let’s take an objective look. GGG was considered a take all comers guy. At the same age GGG fought
Milton Nunez
Nilsson Julio Tapia
Kissim Ouma
Lajuan Simon
Makoto Fuchigami
Grzegorz Proska
Gabriel Rosado
Nobuhiro Ishida
From 28-32. There are obviously reasons behind that but let’s just keep it to who they fought/will fight. Does anyone really want to tie their name to saying Canelo will fight a list of opponents that weak?
People have good reason to hate Canelo but I can say with absolute confidence in the next 4 years Canelo will fight better opponents than that.
Good old Ronnie baby, making the “stats” work in favour of his argument as usual. Now Canelo’s opponents will be better in the “28-32” bracket. But GGG had only been a pro for 4 years at 28.
Now Canelo’s opponents after 4 years as a pro reads:
Antonio_Fitch
Euri Gonzales
Michel Rosales
Jefferson Gonçalo
Murat Khuzeev
Carlos Herrera
Lanardo Tyner
Doesn’t quite tell the same story does it ?
So you’re comparing a child with a 28 year old man and you think you are the one being fair? 😂
Okay, let’s put this a different way even though it is clearly slanted in your favor with GGG being at the end and Canelo just entering his prime. Who has fought better opposition in total?
“ So you’re comparing a child with a 28 year old man and you think you are the one being fair? 😂“
uh, no, I wasn’t comparing anyone with anyone. I was merely showing how you can make stats work in your favour .
“ Okay, let’s put this a different way even though it is clearly slanted in your favor with GGG being at the end and Canelo just entering his prime. Who has fought better opposition in total?”
Canelo...... but it has to be said that nearly every single fight (bar Floyd) was on his terms. Shane when he was old, Matthew Hatton for a title and sooooooo many fighters that had to boil down to his desired catchweight , and fighting guys that are small at the weight and so on and so forth.
Look , Canelo shouldn’t have even be fighting cos he’s a drug cheat. GGG is a cock because he went from “wanting all the belts” to begging somebody for a fight who didn’t have a belt. He deserved what he got.
I couldn’t give a flying fuck for either of them anymore if I’m honest.
Canelo should be banned and GGG should retire.
So you agree Canelo will fight better fighters which was the point
And you agree that after 4 years as a pro , GGG was fighting better fighters than Canelo?
Yes, I agree that a 28 year old man who had 400 amateur fights and 4 years pro was fighting near world level. And a 20 year old with few top level amateur fights if any and 4 years pro was not fighting near world level.
But at equal points in age, because time pro is absolutely irrelevant to what you do in your career in total age is far far far far far far more relevant, we both know Canelo will fight better fighters.
Yet again you people being so crazy biased has forced me to defend a fighter I don’t like. Hopefully at some point people can just be honest. Canelo is awful but the dude makes fights, fact proven repeatedly
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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Ron Swanson
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Primo Carnera
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Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
Some people are saying things that don’t make sense. Canelo absolutely isn’t going to DAZN as it is subscription, they don’t have the PPV platform. And PBC doesn’t have enough money? 1)that doesn’t matter because he will go to the largest PPV platform which PBC is already in bed with and 2)PBC has the largest actual boxing budget by far. For example 5 times that of DAZN for 2019
We all have our biases, but let’s take an objective look. GGG was considered a take all comers guy. At the same age GGG fought
Milton Nunez
Nilsson Julio Tapia
Kissim Ouma
Lajuan Simon
Makoto Fuchigami
Grzegorz Proska
Gabriel Rosado
Nobuhiro Ishida
From 28-32. There are obviously reasons behind that but let’s just keep it to who they fought/will fight. Does anyone really want to tie their name to saying Canelo will fight a list of opponents that weak?
People have good reason to hate Canelo but I can say with absolute confidence in the next 4 years Canelo will fight better opponents than that.
Good old Ronnie baby, making the “stats” work in favour of his argument as usual. Now Canelo’s opponents will be better in the “28-32” bracket. But GGG had only been a pro for 4 years at 28.
Now Canelo’s opponents after 4 years as a pro reads:
Antonio_Fitch
Euri Gonzales
Michel Rosales
Jefferson Gonçalo
Murat Khuzeev
Carlos Herrera
Lanardo Tyner
Doesn’t quite tell the same story does it ?
So you’re comparing a child with a 28 year old man and you think you are the one being fair? 😂
Okay, let’s put this a different way even though it is clearly slanted in your favor with GGG being at the end and Canelo just entering his prime. Who has fought better opposition in total?
“ So you’re comparing a child with a 28 year old man and you think you are the one being fair? 😂“
uh, no, I wasn’t comparing anyone with anyone. I was merely showing how you can make stats work in your favour .
“ Okay, let’s put this a different way even though it is clearly slanted in your favor with GGG being at the end and Canelo just entering his prime. Who has fought better opposition in total?”
Canelo...... but it has to be said that nearly every single fight (bar Floyd) was on his terms. Shane when he was old, Matthew Hatton for a title and sooooooo many fighters that had to boil down to his desired catchweight , and fighting guys that are small at the weight and so on and so forth.
Look , Canelo shouldn’t have even be fighting cos he’s a drug cheat. GGG is a cock because he went from “wanting all the belts” to begging somebody for a fight who didn’t have a belt. He deserved what he got.
I couldn’t give a flying fuck for either of them anymore if I’m honest.
Canelo should be banned and GGG should retire.
So you agree Canelo will fight better fighters which was the point
And you agree that after 4 years as a pro , GGG was fighting better fighters than Canelo?
Yes, I agree that a 28 year old man who had 400 amateur fights and 4 years pro was fighting near world level. And a 20 year old with few top level amateur fights if any and 4 years pro was not fighting near world level.
But at equal points in age, because time pro is absolutely irrelevant to what you do in your career in total age is far far far far far far more relevant, we both know Canelo will fight better fighters.
Yet again you people being so crazy biased has forced me to defend a fighter I don’t like. Hopefully at some point people can just be honest. Canelo is awful but the dude makes fights, fact proven repeatedly
So that’s a yes then? Why so many caveats?
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
Canelo just drew + won against the so-called baddest man on the planet, back to back.
He deserves a "buffer" FFS
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
I think it's a good fight for Canelo. I don't know why nobody is mentioning it, but it is obvious what his master plan is. He wants to to surely fight Gilberto Ramirez on Cinco De Mayo next year? Isn't that obvious. He's 38-0, is the WBO champion. This is a decent fight to adjust to the weight. Looking at the other champions at 168, Benavidez is banned/in rehab, Smith won't fight again until next year, Uzcategui is done for the rest of the year and that only leaves Ramirez. So why would you fight a 38-0 Mexican world champion at the end of 2018 when you can fight him on Cinco De Mayo? Seems obvious. Could then potentially see a potential September fight with Callum Smith....maybe at Anfield...... on DAZN :-X
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
I would fancy Callum Smith to beat Canelo after his dismantling of George Groves.
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I would fancy Callum Smith to beat Canelo after his dismantling of George Groves.
Callum Smith would easily beat Canelo. How can you beat someone who has more height, reach , power and is probably a better boxer? Infact I don’t see him attempting to unify with any of the champions for the reasons already given.
He’ll be a champion at 2 weights and will just choose which makes the most money . A fight at MW, a fight at SMW , or a catchweight between the 2.
My guess would be the winner of DeGale/Eubank probably at 164lb. Again it guarantees victory. If it’s Eubank , he’ll make 164 no problem, but he’s not that level. If it’s DeGale, he’ll make him boil to 164 just to make sure he can’t win.
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Master
I would fancy Callum Smith to beat Canelo after his dismantling of George Groves.
Callum Smith would easily beat Canelo. How can you beat someone who has more height, reach , power and is probably a better boxer? Infact I don’t see him attempting to unify with any of the champions for the reasons already given.
He’ll be a champion at 2 weights and will just choose which makes the most money . A fight at MW, a fight at SMW , or a catchweight between the 2.
My guess would be the winner of DeGale/Eubank probably at 164lb. Again it guarantees victory. If it’s Eubank , he’ll make 164 no problem, but he’s not that level. If it’s DeGale, he’ll make him boil to 164 just to make sure he can’t win.
Safely navigating the 160-something waters should be noted as an underrated skill in itself. You steer clear of the great whites and tigers, and go for a few nurse and angel sharks.
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Canelo just drew + won against the so-called baddest man on the planet, back to back.
He deserves a "buffer" FFS
As long as you afford GGG the same generosity.
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What disdain
Colorful disdain though.... you must admit.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
Would've preferred clenelo to fight smith instead of the guy he ko'd in 1 round but after back to back fights with Golovkin he deserves an easy fight.
rocky bounced back impressively with that win in Germany and appears to have put the demons behind him from the smith loss. If he lets the occasion get to him again in New York it could end embarrassingly early but if he goes to win and settles into his boxing he has the size and physical advantages to make it a proper fight
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
https://www.boxingnews24.com/2018/10...urning-to-160/
Decisions, decisions......
So many choices..... so perilous the path.
I can understand Canelo's and GBP's quandary. The Fielding fight is a no-brainer. A sure win against a weak champion to pick up another meaningless weight division title and inflate that legacy-forming number.
But after that? The article explains it very well. Stay at 168 and be seen as running from the elite at 160..... or go back down and blatantly duck the Charlos of the division.
Of course Canelo's going to be undecided. GBP hasn't invested all that money, time, and effort on building up this media darling only to have it all go down in flames from a bad decision.
If it was me.... I'd stall going back down until the 160 dudes kill each other off..... then come prancing back into the division announcing he's ready to take on anybody.
Problem is... staying too long at 168 is liable to bring up guys like Callum Smith and even compatriot Gilberto Ramirez. Probably not a safe place to stall for too long.
Hmmm.... looks like that strategy machinery is going to have to working overtime.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
I would fancy Callum Smith to beat Canelo after his dismantling of George Groves.
Callum Smith would easily beat Canelo. How can you beat someone who has more height, reach , power and is probably a better boxer? Infact I don’t see him attempting to unify with any of the champions for the reasons already given.
He’ll be a champion at 2 weights and will just choose which makes the most money . A fight at MW, a fight at SMW , or a catchweight between the 2.
My guess would be the winner of DeGale/Eubank probably at 164lb. Again it guarantees victory. If it’s Eubank , he’ll make 164 no problem, but he’s not that level. If it’s DeGale, he’ll make him boil to 164 just to make sure he can’t win.
You may be right,I’d give Canelo a good chance though. He is definitely not outmatched as far as boxing skills. Canelo gets right fucked off by the average fan in this department. He’s actually a very good boxer, always has been. He has quite slow feet, which makes what he is good at look less impressive, at least the way I see it. He would have fucked groves up just as easily as smith did, imo.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
Canelo didn’t do enough to take those belts..he made quality shots in first fight but never did enough to take those belts.
Same with Andre Ward in the first fight with Kovalev.
No matter how much I prefer a fighter over another fighter I have to be honest.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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p4pking
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Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
I would fancy Callum Smith to beat Canelo after his dismantling of George Groves.
Callum Smith would easily beat Canelo. How can you beat someone who has more height, reach , power and is probably a better boxer? Infact I don’t see him attempting to unify with any of the champions for the reasons already given.
He’ll be a champion at 2 weights and will just choose which makes the most money . A fight at MW, a fight at SMW , or a catchweight between the 2.
My guess would be the winner of DeGale/Eubank probably at 164lb. Again it guarantees victory. If it’s Eubank , he’ll make 164 no problem, but he’s not that level. If it’s DeGale, he’ll make him boil to 164 just to make sure he can’t win.
You may be right,I’d give Canelo a good chance though. He is definitely not outmatched as far as boxing skills. Canelo gets right fucked off by the average fan in this department. He’s actually a very good boxer, always has been. He has quite slow feet, which makes what he is good at look less impressive, at least the way I see it. [B][B]He would have fucked groves up just as easily as smith did, imo.
we shall see. It'll be interesting to see how he copes with Fielding , as Fielding has all the height and reach advantages that Smith and Groves would have, but is classes below them. Fielding is a British level fighter who got lucky to win a version of a title. Smith blasted Fielding out inside 2 minutes, and I'm not saying Canelo has to do that , but he has to show he can get around Fielding's reach advantage comfortably and be able to make some dents in him.
like you said, he has slow feet, so I'm not sure how he does this.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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p4pking
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
I would fancy Callum Smith to beat Canelo after his dismantling of George Groves.
Callum Smith would easily beat Canelo. How can you beat someone who has more height, reach , power and is probably a better boxer? Infact I don’t see him attempting to unify with any of the champions for the reasons already given.
He’ll be a champion at 2 weights and will just choose which makes the most money . A fight at MW, a fight at SMW , or a catchweight between the 2.
My guess would be the winner of DeGale/Eubank probably at 164lb. Again it guarantees victory. If it’s Eubank , he’ll make 164 no problem, but he’s not that level. If it’s DeGale, he’ll make him boil to 164 just to make sure he can’t win.
You may be right,I’d give Canelo a good chance though. He is definitely not outmatched as far as boxing skills. Canelo gets right fucked off by the average fan in this department. He’s actually a very good boxer, always has been. He has quite slow feet, which makes what he is good at look less impressive, at least the way I see it. He would have fucked groves up just as easily as smith did, imo.
Groves would have had an easier time against Canelo, as you said far too slow footwork to cause him problems.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
p4pking
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
I would fancy Callum Smith to beat Canelo after his dismantling of George Groves.
Callum Smith would easily beat Canelo. How can you beat someone who has more height, reach , power and is probably a better boxer? Infact I don’t see him attempting to unify with any of the champions for the reasons already given.
He’ll be a champion at 2 weights and will just choose which makes the most money . A fight at MW, a fight at SMW , or a catchweight between the 2.
My guess would be the winner of DeGale/Eubank probably at 164lb. Again it guarantees victory. If it’s Eubank , he’ll make 164 no problem, but he’s not that level. If it’s DeGale, he’ll make him boil to 164 just to make sure he can’t win.
You may be right,I’d give Canelo a good chance though. He is definitely not outmatched as far as boxing skills. Canelo gets right fucked off by the average fan in this department. He’s actually a very good boxer, always has been. He has quite slow feet, which makes what he is good at look less impressive, at least the way I see it. [B][B]He would have fucked groves up just as easily as smith did, imo.
we shall see. It'll be interesting to see how he copes with Fielding , as Fielding has all the height and reach advantages that Smith and Groves would have, but is classes below them. Fielding is a British level fighter who got lucky to win a version of a title. Smith blasted Fielding out inside 2 minutes, and I'm not saying Canelo has to do that , but he has to show he can get around Fielding's reach advantage comfortably and be able to make some dents in him.
like you said, he has slow feet, so I'm not sure how he does this.
Canelo will go straight through Fielding.
No disrespect to Rocky, but there's levels.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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Alpha
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Primo Carnera
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p4pking
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
I would fancy Callum Smith to beat Canelo after his dismantling of George Groves.
Callum Smith would easily beat Canelo. How can you beat someone who has more height, reach , power and is probably a better boxer? Infact I don’t see him attempting to unify with any of the champions for the reasons already given.
He’ll be a champion at 2 weights and will just choose which makes the most money . A fight at MW, a fight at SMW , or a catchweight between the 2.
My guess would be the winner of DeGale/Eubank probably at 164lb. Again it guarantees victory. If it’s Eubank , he’ll make 164 no problem, but he’s not that level. If it’s DeGale, he’ll make him boil to 164 just to make sure he can’t win.
You may be right,I’d give Canelo a good chance though. He is definitely not outmatched as far as boxing skills. Canelo gets right fucked off by the average fan in this department. He’s actually a very good boxer, always has been. He has quite slow feet, which makes what he is good at look less impressive, at least the way I see it. [B][B]He would have fucked groves up just as easily as smith did, imo.
we shall see. It'll be interesting to see how he copes with Fielding , as Fielding has all the height and reach advantages that Smith and Groves would have, but is classes below them. Fielding is a British level fighter who got lucky to win a version of a title. Smith blasted Fielding out inside 2 minutes, and I'm not saying Canelo has to do that , but he has to show he can get around Fielding's reach advantage comfortably and be able to make some dents in him.
like you said, he has slow feet, so I'm not sure how he does this.
Canelo will go straight through Fielding.
No disrespect to Rocky, but there's levels.
Definitely not on the same level ,talent wise, but I reckon it’ll either be an early blow out or Fielding puts in one of those gallant loser performances and Canelo takes an age to get rid of him and stinks the place out.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
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Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Alpha
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
p4pking
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
I would fancy Callum Smith to beat Canelo after his dismantling of George Groves.
Callum Smith would easily beat Canelo. How can you beat someone who has more height, reach , power and is probably a better boxer? Infact I don’t see him attempting to unify with any of the champions for the reasons already given.
He’ll be a champion at 2 weights and will just choose which makes the most money . A fight at MW, a fight at SMW , or a catchweight between the 2.
My guess would be the winner of DeGale/Eubank probably at 164lb. Again it guarantees victory. If it’s Eubank , he’ll make 164 no problem, but he’s not that level. If it’s DeGale, he’ll make him boil to 164 just to make sure he can’t win.
You may be right,I’d give Canelo a good chance though. He is definitely not outmatched as far as boxing skills. Canelo gets right fucked off by the average fan in this department. He’s actually a very good boxer, always has been. He has quite slow feet, which makes what he is good at look less impressive, at least the way I see it. [B][B]He would have fucked groves up just as easily as smith did, imo.
we shall see. It'll be interesting to see how he copes with Fielding , as Fielding has all the height and reach advantages that Smith and Groves would have, but is classes below them. Fielding is a British level fighter who got lucky to win a version of a title. Smith blasted Fielding out inside 2 minutes, and I'm not saying Canelo has to do that , but he has to show he can get around Fielding's reach advantage comfortably and be able to make some dents in him.
like you said, he has slow feet, so I'm not sure how he does this.
Canelo will go straight through Fielding.
No disrespect to Rocky, but there's levels.
Definitely not on the same level ,talent wise, but I reckon it’ll either be an early blow out or Fielding puts in one of those gallant loser performances and Canelo takes an age to get rid of him and stinks the place out.
Looking at what he hit GGG with, I can't see anyway Fielding stands up to that.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
Froch had slow feet too, and I really think he ruined Groves, guy was never nearly as good after their first fight.
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Re: Canelo vs Fielding Dec-15
This is a mismatch, the only reason Fielding will probably make it past 5 minutes is Canelo is an expert at carrying fighters out of his league
