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Beanz
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TitoFan
Instead of luring and exclusivity, the approach should be "how can we help?" How can we collaborate to ensure this is done as swiftly as possible for the benefit of ALL people, regardless of nationality?
But I guess that's like believing in unicorns and pots of gold at the end of rainbows. :mad: :mad:
Besides, it's not like some U.S. firms aren't hard at work searching for a vaccine as well.
It is just another example of the idea that people can be categorised and that we can pretend to roll the clock back and not live on a planet in which everyone is connected and travel for business and pleasure 24hrs a day. Head in the sand stuff will just make it worse.
Like people hoarding hand soap and sanitisers? Mental. As though having the cleanest hands on earth is going to help you when all the people who may pass the virus on, can not clean their hands because you nicked all the hand soap :-\ ;D
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...2yYchxyLLLE8iU
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smashup
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Alpha
What are your views on this thread topic?
I could speculate:
I see the Hegelian dialectic of problem, reaction, solution playing out. There is so much dis-info out there. Kind of a War of the World's situation going on, with the media increasing panic.
I would advise anyone with young families to be cautious, exercise good hygiene practices and use your common sense. Continue to live your life as normal, a clean, courteous individual. Live and let live. I don't agree with a 3rd party (government) telling us what we can and can't do. The only good coming out of the closures, is that the indoctrination zones (schools) are closed, keep it that way.
It is convenient how this virus has shut down the massive protests that were taking place around the world, in an instant, although I hear the yellow vests remain defiant.
I see huge wealth transfers taking place, and new legislation to increase the control and power over us. The saying "Never let a serious (possibly engineered) crisis go to waste" comes to mind, and I see this 'crisis' being used to try and fast track certain agendas such as a Cashless Society, Medical Marshall Law, Mandatory Vaccines etc, among others. This could be the next Pearl Harbor, the next 9/11, remember all the freedoms we lost after 9/11?
The way that you prevent all these distasteful possibilities is to use your personal initiative and your compassion for others to do the right thing. If you give government the chance to step in with heavy handed Draconian measures, they will. Freedom means you have the opportunity to solve problems without the clumsy blundering help of big brother.
I also see actwhores like Hanks pushing the narrative. I'd say stack up on food and ammo, and keep your families safe. Be kind to 1 another, the 1 thing you can never kill off is the spirit of humanity.
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ykdadamaja
There is a train of thought that due to global warming, and the polar ice caps melting, when they melt they they are releasing hidden and previously "unknown" germs and bacteria into the ecosystem that humans have no immunity to and are stronger than what their newer cousins are.
Expect more germs and stuff to come out. Especially from the Northern and colder climate countries.
Yes, these things have been there, lying dormant, for millions of years. That's why we have not evolved any immunity to them, whereas we are the perfect hosts for them of course.
They also can change and mutate their form to imitate anything they see, even roller skating black guys.
i have it on good authority that the only way to find them out is to dip a hot wire into a petri dish of their blood.
Be especially careful of husky dogs, people. Stay safe out there.
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there's a biological research lab with a similar logo as the umbrella corporation from resident evil right in the city where the coronavirus originated, and corona in an anagram for racoon
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETSAuhKU...g&name=900x900
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You are a moron.
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Shanghai and wuhan are pretty close(:S) and corona misses a c but apart from that it all checks out... Resident evil 8 confirmed!
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Beanz
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TIC
You are a moron.
you are a whiny cunt, have a laugh once in awhile
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Alpha
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smashup
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Alpha
What are your views on this thread topic?
I could speculate:
I see the Hegelian dialectic of problem, reaction, solution playing out. There is so much dis-info out there. Kind of a War of the World's situation going on, with the media increasing panic.
I would advise anyone with young families to be cautious, exercise good hygiene practices and use your common sense. Continue to live your life as normal, a clean, courteous individual. Live and let live. I don't agree with a 3rd party (government) telling us what we can and can't do. The only good coming out of the closures, is that the indoctrination zones (schools) are closed, keep it that way.
It is convenient how this virus has shut down the massive protests that were taking place around the world, in an instant, although I hear the yellow vests remain defiant.
I see huge wealth transfers taking place, and new legislation to increase the control and power over us. The saying "Never let a serious (possibly engineered) crisis go to waste" comes to mind, and I see this 'crisis' being used to try and fast track certain agendas such as a Cashless Society, Medical Marshall Law, Mandatory Vaccines etc, among others. This could be the next Pearl Harbor, the next 9/11, remember all the freedoms we lost after 9/11?
The way that you prevent all these distasteful possibilities is to use your personal initiative and your compassion for others to do the right thing. If you give government the chance to step in with heavy handed Draconian measures, they will. Freedom means you have the opportunity to solve problems without the clumsy blundering help of big brother.
I also see actwhores like Hanks pushing the narrative. I'd say stack up on food and ammo, and keep your families safe. Be kind to 1 another, the 1 thing you can never kill off is the spirit of humanity.
Some good points that are similar to this video
Anyone seen this David Icke interview yet?
It's an interesting watch
https://youtu.be/pmSG8vfhroY
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I'm not a fan of Icke myself, he tends to talk about stuff that is difficult to prove, reptilians for example and tends to fall into the dis-info, controlled opposition crowd for me. In saying that, like most controlled ops, they do mix in bits of truth.
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I'm not a fan of Icke myself, he tends to talk about stuff that is difficult to prove, reptilians for example and tends to fall into the dis-info, controlled opposition crowd for me. In saying that, like most controlled ops, they do mix in bits of truth.
I think Icke is pretty brave. He was calling out leading figures by name in his books years ago for sex crimes and nobody took him on over any of it. He is quite out there at times, but on politics I find him to be generally pretty fair.
I am not a fan of anyone as such but can see the merit in what someone is trying to do. Society is so conditioned by buzz words and I see Icke is now getting anti semite thrown at him. It is nonsense of course. It usually is. You tell a truth too close to the bone and the buzzwords come out to demonize and deflect. A well worn strategy.
Racist for saying China Virus is the latest. Piss off! 🙄
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Icke is absolutely not at all brave. He is a disaster capitalist, an a empty vessel, not hugely different from scum like PJW and his INFOWARS Daddy Alex Jones. Even back in the early nineties when i first read his books Icke was incredibly ignorant and always much more worried about lining his own pockets and making excuses for the actual establishment bastards out there fucking it up for everyone. He is a convenient excuse to do nothing and remain a simpering coward blaming some uncontrollable vague force for everything and maintaining the status quo. Sucking up to the Elite whilst pretending that you are some kind of opposition by playing baby conspiracy games with other teenage nerds inventing a deep state that absolves the actual bastards of any responsibility. It is a kind of treason to be honest.
There is no need for a conspiracy it is happening now right in front of your eyes. Trump is not like Icke and boot licking idiots on here insist just some innocent front man put out there to take the flack. Just like Bush and Blair and Obama and the Clintons used things like 9/11, the invasion of Iraq and the wars in the Middle East and against 'Terror' to push back your liberties and to make themselves rich and shore up the feudal walls of their castles. Trump and Boris are doing the same with this very real virus. They will bankroll the same polluting globalist corporations and watch the working man and woman die on their feet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niwNTI9Nqd8&feature=youtu.be
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Alpha
I'm not a fan of Icke myself, he tends to talk about stuff that is difficult to prove, reptilians for example and tends to fall into the dis-info, controlled opposition crowd for me. In saying that, like most controlled ops, they do mix in bits of truth.
I think Icke is pretty brave. He was calling out leading figures by name in his books years ago for sex crimes and nobody took him on over any of it. He is quite out there at times, but on politics I find him to be generally pretty fair.
I am not a fan of anyone as such but can see the merit in what someone is trying to do. Society is so conditioned by buzz words and I see Icke is now getting anti semite thrown at him. It is nonsense of course. It usually is. You tell a truth too close to the bone and the buzzwords come out to demonize and deflect. A well worn strategy.
Racist for saying China Virus is the latest. Piss off! 🙄
Like I said, controlled opposition agents do mix in bits of truth, to build a following, then they spread their dis-info.
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Gandalf
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Alpha
I'm not a fan of Icke myself, he tends to talk about stuff that is difficult to prove, reptilians for example and tends to fall into the dis-info, controlled opposition crowd for me. In saying that, like most controlled ops, they do mix in bits of truth.
Racist for saying China Virus is the latest.
Can they still use Russian collusion?
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Alpha
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Gandalf
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Alpha
I'm not a fan of Icke myself, he tends to talk about stuff that is difficult to prove, reptilians for example and tends to fall into the dis-info, controlled opposition crowd for me. In saying that, like most controlled ops, they do mix in bits of truth.
Racist for saying China Virus is the latest.
Can they still use Russian collusion?
Ooh touche!
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boot licking idiots on here
Ad hominem.
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If coronavirus is a bio weapon it has very bad aim
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If coronavirus is a bio weapon it has very bad aim
If leaked from a lab perhaps just an experimental form that accidentally got out. Maybe not a weapon, but something dangerous that should not be out there.
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Alpha
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Beanz
boot licking idiots on here
Ad hominem.
Ha! Hardly. There are few more appropriate terms to describe the behaviour of those who pretend that Trump (Himself the king of Ad Hominem attacks) is not responsible for his own behaviour or lack of action. You are as usual just employing the same fallacious arguments as you always have, rather than addressing anything discussed in my post. There is plenty there to keep the thread on track but you feel compelled to make it personal in order to avoid engaging with facts.
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No doubt governments work on biological shit but it would seem things like viruses would be very poor weapons seeing how they spread.
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walrus
No doubt governments work on biological shit but it would seem things like viruses would be very poor weapons seeing how they spread.
Unless of course A) You know the best treatment and have it on hand or B ) You don't give a good gosh darn about the lives of others.
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This is interesting:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-con...us-of-covid-19
"The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID".
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‘This is a planned, organized partial shutdown of the U.S. economy in the second quarter. The overall goal is to keep everyone, households and businesses, whole... It is a huge shock and we are trying to cope with it and keep it under control.’
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/un...ard-2020-03-22
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Can anyone show me where WHO have actually declared Covid 19 a pandemic? Not other articles saying that, but WHO themselves. Not using language like 'can be described as', or 'categorized as', but WHO stating that they have officially declared Covid 19 as a pandemic.
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Alpha
I don't find this interesting at all, I find it stupid :
"Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase."
Yes, mortality rate is low in some countries, especially in Asia :
Korea - 3%, Singapore 1.2 %, Hong Kong 3.8 %, Japan 7.8 %
but what about the European and N. American countries ?
Italy 45%, Spain 43%, France 26%, Switzerland 53%, Canada 16% not to mention US or UK where MR is > 60% so far.
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El Kabong
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walrus
No doubt governments work on biological shit but it would seem things like viruses would be very poor weapons seeing how they spread.
Unless of course A)
You know the best treatment and have it on hand or B ) You don't give a good gosh darn about the lives of others.
There are two conspiracy theories here:
1. The Chinese made the virus but they already have the vaccine or the cure, those 80000 who already died are the people on which they did the tests.
2. They made the perfwect weapon, a virus with destination, which affect less the Asian race. Look at the mortality rate of every country here https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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iwng100
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Alpha
I don't find this interesting at all, I find it stupid :
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Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID
criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase."
Yes, mortality rate is low in some countries, especially in Asia :
Korea - 3%, Singapore 1.2 %, Hong Kong 3.8 %, Japan 7.8 %
but what about the European and N. American countries ?
Italy 45%, Spain 43%, France 26%, Switzerland 53%, Canada 16% not to mention US or UK where MR is > 60% so far.
'Status of COVID-19
As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK'.
'The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID'.
Definition of HCID
In the UK, a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) is defined according to the following criteria:
acute infectious disease
typically has a high case-fatality rate
may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment
often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly
ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely.
List of high consequence infectious diseases
A list of HCIDs has been agreed by a joint Public Health England (PHE) and NHS England HCID Programme:
Contact HCID
Argentine haemorrhagic fever (Junin virus)
Bolivian haemorrhagic fever (Machupo virus)
Crimean Congo haemorrhagic fever (CCHF)
Ebola virus disease (EVD)
Lassa fever
Lujo virus disease
Marburg virus disease (MVD)
Severe fever with thrombocytopaenia syndrome (SFTS)
Airborne HCID
Andes virus infection (hantavirus)
Avian influenza A H7N9 and H5N1
Avian influenza A H5N6 and H7N7
Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)
Monkeypox
Nipah virus infection
Pneumonic plague (Yersinia pestis)
Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)*
“It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled”.
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You are complete loonies ..... UK mortality rate >60%? Where do you get this bullshit, or do you just make it up? Does someone make it up for you, or is it just plucked out of thin air.
"It's easier to be a fool, than to apply any iota of critical thought to a subject"
https://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfo...tid=5229&stc=1
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Anyway, statistically 100% of coronavirus patients will die.
Eventually.
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You are complete loonies ..... UK mortality rate >60%? Where do you get this bullshit, or do you just make it up? Does someone make it up for you, or is it just plucked out of thin air.
"It's easier to be a fool, than to apply any iota of critical thought to a subject"
https://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfo...tid=5229&stc=1
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
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Those are closed cases dude ;D To be fair death is the number one case closer, of that we can agree. The mortality rate in the UK using those number is around 5%.
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For what it's worth I don't see the value in what Alpha posted either. It being or not being a HCID is neither here nor there. No one has ever claimed that corona virus = death. Is it by those metrics a high consequence disease? They say no. Are the consequences of this high, fuck yeah. Two different things.
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Those are closed cases dude ;D To be fair death is the number one case closer, of that we can agree. The mortality rate in the UK using those number is around 5%.
The only statistic we can make is on closed cases, we can only make estimations for the active cases. The right formula for MR would be the number of death from the close cases + the number of patients who will die from the active cases, all this divided by total persons infected. If you divide only the deaths from the closed cases to the total existed cases is like you predict that all patients from the active cases will recover.
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I know in UK like in Canada there is still a big fluctuation of MR, not like in Italy or Spain were it seams the MR is stabilized for one week around 40-45 % , look at the last graphics (deaths/recovers ) in those countries.
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That makes no sense to me whatsoever to be honest but I'm no mathematician. Why cant you take X number of people that have it, and Y number of people that have died and Y as a percentage of X is the mortality rate? Forget assumptions and guesswork. This many have it, this many died, thats your number, no?
That percentage is far more in line with WHO to be fair and no where near the 60% which is utterly bonkers.
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Memphis
That makes no sense to me whatsoever to be honest but I'm no mathematician. Why cant you take X number of people that have it, and Y number of people that have died and Y as a percentage of X is the mortality rate? Forget assumptions and guesswork. This many have it, this many died, thats your number, no?
That percentage is far more in line with WHO to be fair and no where near the 60% which is utterly bonkers.
Sorry mate but I don't know how to explain better than I already did especially because English is not my first language, not even the second one , I will try though.
MR = TD (total death) / TC (total cases)
TD = TAD (total persons already death) + TWD (total persons who will die from the active cases).
MR = TAD / TC only if TWD = 0
I really hope I'm wrong and you're wright
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It's cool mate ;D
I wasn't questioning the formula or language, just why those numbers would actually be used and the end result.
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Memphis
It's cool mate ;D
I wasn't questioning the formula or language, just why those numbers would actually be used and the end result.
I think these numbers will decrease in time, because I think there are more recovers who are not confirmed yet, but is still very disquieting for everybody, especially
for people like me, almost 60 with heart problems.
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I don't know about other countries, but mass testing has not taken place on the UK. In fact, the only cases reported in the numbers are those people who HAVE been definitively tested as positive ..... and that is only some of those people who have actively presented in hospital or doctor surgeeries.
That means nobody really knows the total number of cases, yes?
The true number of cases is almost certainly higher, by many multiples. But nobody knows how many. Similarly, there will be cases who have fully recovered and aren't in these numbers.
How on earth is it possible to Calculate a % mortality rate (and compare it across countries) when we don't know the vital figure of total number of infections.?
Equally, you do know that different countries have different testing methods, different definitions of what 'infected' means and also different attitudes towards mass testing? Some countries will also simply lie about their numbers.
That chart is essentially meaningless as it is not comparing like for like. The numbers are not consistently arrived at so no comparison is possible.
Drawing any sort of conclusions from such flawed data is a castle built on sand.
Iwng100 ..... yes, this whole thing is disquieting buddy. Try not to fuel your (very understandable) anxiety by looking at idiots' so called science on the internet 👍🏼
