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"Roach disclosed that the touted Mike Alvarado, an unbeaten 140-pounder from Denver, “never showed up at the gym” after having his taste of Pacquiao’s power in their initial encounter last week."
link --> Pacquiao near peak form, says Roach | Manila Bulletin
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http://xs138.xs.to/xs138/09163/4960.jpg
Manny Pacquiao, right, spars with trainer Freddie Roach during a media workout, Wednesday, April 15, 2009, in Los Angeles.
Notice the intensity in PAC's eyes and imagine if it's Hatton infront of PAC... then the Hitman will be crushed and becomes SH!Tman... ;D
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Check 1, 2
Check what? Checkhook? Yeah Hatton's downfall probably a checkhook or plain left hook from PAC... Hatton is a sucker of left hooks... ;)
http://i40.tinypic.com/25rkq6h.gif
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PAC and Roach fully loaded, heavily armed and ready to shoot down the Englishman... then turn him to sh!tman... ;)
http://xs138.xs.to/xs138/09164/pacroch1384.jpg
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Lol! If Pac is 5'6 1/2", then Roach must be 6'0". ;D
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link --> Roach sure of KO win, bets house on Pacman
"This will be a quick fight," Roach said. "Ricky's a tough guy, but we'll knock him out. I'll bet my house on it."
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Freddie Roach: "Hatton doesn't belong in the ring with pacquiao"
Michael Moorer: "He (PAC) punches so hard like a heavyweight where Hatton gonna be destroyed"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY5x0tUzBxk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLBBsb4dY_Q
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Pac Man punches like a heavyweight? wow... I think pac man is on for being one of the most over hyped up fighters by his camp in recent years.
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Hatton punches like a heavyweight? wow... I think pac man is on for being one of the most over hyped up fighters by his camp in recent years.
Didn't you hear Michael Moorer clearly?? ... ;) Moorer said PAC punches so hard like a heavyweight and Hatton gonna be destroyed... ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLBBsb4dY_Q
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Roach is right. Hatton only fights one way. His chin is always up in the air, and poor footwork. Very predictable. He always leads with the left hook when he lounge in and followed up by clinch. Sort of repeatition thing.
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Sorry, mistake fixed.. meant to say pac man in the first place. But Michael Moore is a idiot.. he'll be saying Pac Man will be able to knockout Vitali next.
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Sorry, mistake fixed.. meant to say pac man in the first place. But Michael Moore is a idiot.. he'll be saying Pac Man will be able to knockout Vitali next.
haha ;D ... and what's your comment on what Roach has said "Hatton doesn't belong in the ring with pacquiao" ??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY5x0tUzBxk
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SaddoBoxer
Roach is right. Hatton only fights one way. His chin is always up in the air, and poor footwork. Very predictable. He always leads with the left hook when he lounge in and followed up by clinch. Sort of repeatition thing.
Roach has made silly predictions involving many of the fighters he has trained. And what is this about poor footwork? Are you serious or are you just repeating what Roach has said because you don't know what you are talking about? Hatton's footwork is one of his better qualities. He closes the gap just like that, his footwork is so quick that on occasion because he can sometimes smother his own work. But if anyone thinks Hattons footwork is poor then they are misguided and headed for a big shock come fight night.
You are underestimating Hatton big time. Expect Hatton to jab his way in and then whilst Manny is dealing with that, to be closing the gap with speedy footwork and then unloading while in close. In this position Hatton will use his strength and not allow Pac to get into a rhythm. As soon as a meaningful blow lands, I can see Pac fighting on the back foot more, and this is where the fight might play into Hatton's advantage.
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SaddoBoxer
Roach is right. Hatton only fights one way. His chin is always up in the air, and poor footwork. Very predictable. He always leads with the left hook when he lounge in and followed up by clinch. Sort of repeatition thing.
Roach has made silly predictions involving many of the fighters he has trained. And what is this about poor footwork? Are you serious or are you just repeating what Roach has said because you don't know what you are talking about? Hatton's footwork is one of his better qualities. He closes the gap just like that, his footwork is so quick that on occasion because he can sometimes smother his own work. But if anyone thinks Hattons footwork is poor then they are misguided and headed for a big shock come fight night.
You are underestimating Hatton big time. Expect Hatton to jab his way in and then whilst Manny is dealing with that, to be closing the gap with speedy footwork and then unloading while in close. In this position Hatton will use his strength and not allow Pac to get into a rhythm. As soon as a meaningful blow lands, I can see Pac fighting on the back foot more, and this is where the fight might play into Hatton's advantage.
I just rewatched Hatton-Mallinaggi the other day, and Ricky's footwork is just butt ugly, and you know it too, everybody knows that - c'mon now. No need to sugar coat him. He just march forward and leaps with his punch. And Pac won't be fighting backwards. That's the name of the game for him. He'll be spinning Hatton all night.
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miles
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Killa From Manila
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SaddoBoxer
Roach is right. Hatton only fights one way. His chin is always up in the air, and poor footwork. Very predictable. He always leads with the left hook when he lounge in and followed up by clinch. Sort of repeatition thing.
Roach has made silly predictions involving many of the fighters he has trained. And what is this about poor footwork? Are you serious or are you just repeating what Roach has said because you don't know what you are talking about? Hatton's footwork is one of his better qualities. He closes the gap just like that, his footwork is so quick that on occasion because he can sometimes smother his own work. But if anyone thinks Hattons footwork is poor then they are misguided and headed for a big shock come fight night.
You are underestimating Hatton big time. Expect Hatton to jab his way in and then whilst Manny is dealing with that, to be closing the gap with speedy footwork and then unloading while in close. In this position Hatton will use his strength and not allow Pac to get into a rhythm. As soon as a meaningful blow lands, I can see Pac fighting on the back foot more, and this is where the fight might play into Hatton's advantage.
Hatton's footwork is only average... He has that jerky-jerky movement coming in capped with a lunging action but I guess PAC will not be surprised with that kind of average footwork...
http://i40.tinypic.com/25rkq6h.gif
That's easy for PAC to thwart with left checkhook or plain left hook... or PAC just sidesteps, spinning Hatton before throwing his counterpunches...
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I'm surprised you both say that. I have always regarded Hattons footwork as one of the best things about him. He certainly won't be pondering around like a Mummy as Oscar was. It was simple to hit, hit, move, hit, turn against Oscar, but it will be so much more difficult to do that against Hatton.
I don't recall any of Manny's recent opponents having the speed of foot that Ricky has. I really see Hattons ability to get into range, and ready to unload his own shots with quick hands as being a crucial element in this fight. A lot of movement, more jabbing and speed of foot carrying him in close to unload hard, and force Manny in close.
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miles
I'm surprised you both say that. I have always regarded Hattons footwork as one of the best things about him. He certainly won't be pondering around like a Mummy as Oscar was. It was simple to hit, hit, move, hit, turn against Oscar, but it will be so much more difficult to do that against Hatton.
I don't recall any of Manny's recent opponents having the speed of foot that Ricky has. I really see Hattons ability to get into range, and ready to unload his own shots with quick hands as being a crucial element in this fight. A lot of movement, more jabbing and speed of foot carrying him in close to unload hard, and force Manny in close.
Trust me, it will be easy for PAC to nullify Hatton forward movement since PAC has the superior hand and foot speed... The worst thing in Hatton's movement is the part when he leaps or lunge in... This is the part he's most vulnerable to the left hook as what PBF and Lazcano has demonstrated in their respective fight against Hatton... If these righthanders can do that damage (wobble/KO) on Hatton then how much more of the southpaw PAC...
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miles
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SaddoBoxer
Roach is right. Hatton only fights one way. His chin is always up in the air, and poor footwork. Very predictable. He always leads with the left hook when he lounge in and followed up by clinch. Sort of repeatition thing.
Roach has made silly predictions involving many of the fighters he has trained. And what is this about poor footwork? Are you serious or are you just repeating what Roach has said because you don't know what you are talking about? Hatton's footwork is one of his better qualities. He closes the gap just like that, his footwork is so quick that on occasion because he can sometimes smother his own work. But if anyone thinks Hattons footwork is poor then they are misguided and headed for a big shock come fight night.
You are underestimating Hatton big time. Expect Hatton to jab his way in and then whilst Manny is dealing with that, to be closing the gap with speedy footwork and then unloading while in close. In this position Hatton will use his strength and not allow Pac to get into a rhythm. As soon as a meaningful blow lands, I can see Pac fighting on the back foot more, and this is where the fight might play into Hatton's advantage.
Forget about Hatton's jab. It will not reach Pac's face. Hatton's 20" arms are too short compare to Pac's 25" Arms. Pac will land 2 jabs on hatton's face before Hatton can even throw his jab in the AIR. Before hatton can Close the gap, I'm sure he will eat those Power left from Pac. The only oway hatton can score points if he gets Dirty & wrestle Pac. Hatton's in a wrong sport. He needs to switch to MMA after this fight.
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Just because someone has the tools doesn't mean they always use them, so Pac has longer arms, doesn't mean he can outjab Hatton. It all depends if Hatton can get inside and use his own jab.
I think there are a lot (not all ) of Pac "fans" who have seen a couple of his decent fights and think he is God himself, and also some more casual fans who actually use the ODLH fight as some sort of benchmark.Bad idea Hatton is still hungry and more imprtant still capable of living up to his own hype.
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I'm surprised you both say that. I have always regarded Hattons footwork as one of the best things about him. He certainly won't be pondering around like a Mummy as Oscar was. It was simple to hit, hit, move, hit, turn against Oscar, but it will be so much more difficult to do that against Hatton.
I don't recall any of Manny's recent opponents having the speed of foot that Ricky has. I really see Hattons ability to get into range, and ready to unload his own shots with quick hands as being a crucial element in this fight. A lot of movement, more jabbing and speed of foot carrying him in close to unload hard, and force Manny in close.
Trust me, it will be easy for PAC to nullify Hatton forward movement since PAC has the superior hand and foot speed... The worst thing in Hatton's movement is the part when he leaps or lunge in... This is the part he's most vulnerable to the left hook as what PBF and Lazcano has demonstrated in their respective fight against Hatton... If these righthanders can do that damage (wobble/KO) on Hatton then how much more of the southpaw PAC...
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I will not give my trust to the Minister of Pacman propaganda! ;D
The leaping hook is something that has been awkward to see from Hatton. But with talk from Hatton about the importance of a good stiff jab, then hopefully we will see less of that leaping in from a distance leaving himself wide open to be countered. Hatton can really box well when he puts his mind to it. We won't be seeing the same Hatton that fought Mayweather, and we won't see anything entirely new either. I think its really about getting back to basics, what Hatton did before Kostya...head movement, jabs, combinations, lots of movement. Hatton IS the bigger man, if he can apply the fundamentals well then the opportunities to land on Manny WILL be there. Manny is not unhittable as Marquez, Barrera and Morales all showed. With Hatton looking to be the aggressor Pac might will eat leather and hard. We know Ricky can take big punches, we don't know that about Manny at the higher weights.
Manny isn't a big puncher anyway, he shocks opponents with speed more than anything. Diaz went down from accumulation, Oscar just decided to give up. Marquez and Barrera both went 12 with Manny without too much stress. I'm sure Hatton can do the same! ;)
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Pacdbest2
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miles
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Killa From Manila
Roach is right. Hatton only fights one way. His chin is always up in the air, and poor footwork. Very predictable. He always leads with the left hook when he lounge in and followed up by clinch. Sort of repeatition thing.
Roach has made silly predictions involving many of the fighters he has trained. And what is this about poor footwork? Are you serious or are you just repeating what Roach has said because you don't know what you are talking about? Hatton's footwork is one of his better qualities. He closes the gap just like that, his footwork is so quick that on occasion because he can sometimes smother his own work. But if anyone thinks Hattons footwork is poor then they are misguided and headed for a big shock come fight night.
You are underestimating Hatton big time. Expect Hatton to jab his way in and then whilst Manny is dealing with that, to be closing the gap with speedy footwork and then unloading while in close. In this position Hatton will use his strength and not allow Pac to get into a rhythm. As soon as a meaningful blow lands, I can see Pac fighting on the back foot more, and this is where the fight might play into Hatton's advantage.
Forget about Hatton's jab. It will not reach Pac's face. Hatton's 20" arms are too short compare to Pac's 25" Arms. Pac will land 2 jabs on hatton's face before Hatton can even throw his jab in the AIR. Before hatton can Close the gap, I'm sure he will eat those Power left from Pac. The only oway hatton can score points if he gets Dirty & wrestle Pac. Hatton's in a wrong sport. He needs to switch to MMA after this fight.
That's the mistake in what you are saying. Tyson had a reach disadvantage over most of his opponents. But he was still able to employ a good, hard jab. It wasn't to maintain distance, it was to hit the opponents head and use that split second to get closer and fire off combinations. Hatton will be doing just that in this fight. In close Hatton can wrestle, but he needs to work his way in close without leaving himself open. A sharp jab will be the key. Using movement Hatton can neutralise the reach disadvantage.
I really see the jab playing a significant part in this. It's nothing groundbreaking, just a move back to the basics.
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miles
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SaddoBoxer
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miles
I'm surprised you both say that. I have always regarded Hattons footwork as one of the best things about him. He certainly won't be pondering around like a Mummy as Oscar was. It was simple to hit, hit, move, hit, turn against Oscar, but it will be so much more difficult to do that against Hatton.
I don't recall any of Manny's recent opponents having the speed of foot that Ricky has. I really see Hattons ability to get into range, and ready to unload his own shots with quick hands as being a crucial element in this fight. A lot of movement, more jabbing and speed of foot carrying him in close to unload hard, and force Manny in close.
Trust me, it will be easy for PAC to nullify Hatton forward movement since PAC has the superior hand and foot speed... The worst thing in Hatton's movement is the part when he leaps or lunge in... This is the part he's most vulnerable to the left hook as what PBF and Lazcano has demonstrated in their respective fight against Hatton... If these righthanders can do that damage (wobble/KO) on Hatton then how much more of the southpaw PAC...
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I will not give my trust to the Minister of Pacman propaganda! ;D
The leaping hook is something that has been awkward to see from Hatton. But with talk from Hatton about the importance of a good stiff jab, then hopefully we will see less of that leaping in from a distance leaving himself wide open to be countered. Hatton can really box well when he puts his mind to it. We won't be seeing the same Hatton that fought Mayweather, and we won't see anything entirely new either. I think its really about getting back to basics, what Hatton did before Kostya...head movement, jabs, combinations, lots of movement. Hatton IS the bigger man, if he can apply the fundamentals well then the opportunities to land on Manny WILL be there. Manny is not unhittable as Marquez, Barrera and Morales all showed. With Hatton looking to be the aggressor Pac might will eat leather and hard. We know Ricky can take big punches, we don't know that about Manny at the higher weights.
Manny isn't a big puncher anyway, he shocks opponents with speed more than anything. Diaz went down from accumulation, Oscar just decided to give up. Marquez and Barrera both went 12 with Manny without too much stress. I'm sure Hatton can do the same! ;)
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/127/pachattot.jpg
I think we're finished discussing with these things... ;) As someone pointed out, the jab won't work with Hatton as he has ONLY 20" of arm length compared to PAC's 25" of arm length...
Movements?? PAC has superior speed than Hatton thus a superior movement... Granting PAC and Hatton has the same speed, how can you catch someone with the same speed as yours?? You can't... and how much more if that someone has more speed than you?? You never will...
PAC will be PAC as ever and he will shock Hatton with his superior speed, his thousands of slashing and stinging punches coupled with moderate pop...
The end is near... ;) ;D
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Pac has the slight reach advantage in this, but as I say that can easily be negated. I keep stressing that Hattons footwork is very good, and along with head movement Hatton will be on Manny before he can blink. Hatton will find leverage for his jab from the good footwork. Didn't Malignaggi supposedly have a very good jab and a reach advantage. It didn't work for him at all.
It's all well and good saying "so, and so has longer arms therefore his jab will be better than the guy with shorter arms". It doesn't always work like that. Other attributes can take away the advantage of reach.
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Pac has the slight reach advantage in this, but as I say that can easily be negated. I keep stressing that Hattons footwork is very good, and along with head movement Hatton will be on Manny before he can blink. Hatton will find leverage for his jab from the good footwork. Didn't Malignaggi supposedly have a very good jab and a reach advantage. It didn't work for him at all.
It's all well and good saying "so, and so has longer arms therefore his jab will be better than the guy with shorter arms". It doesn't always work like that. Other attributes can take away the advantage of reach.
Yeah other attributes can take away the reach advantage IF Hatton got superiority in that attributes... BUT there's almost none...
....................Speed - PAC
......................Skills - PAC
...................Stance - PAC (southpaw)
..................Stamina - PAC
.............. Movement - PAC
.....................Heart - even
..............Experience - PAC
....................Reach - PAC
...........Height/Taller - PAC
Quality of Opponents - PAC
.......Ring Generalship - PAC
.........Corner/Trainer - PAC
.......................Size - even
.......................Age - even
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Pac has the slight reach advantage in this, but as I say that can easily be negated. I keep stressing that Hattons footwork is very good, and along with head movement Hatton will be on Manny before he can blink. Hatton will find leverage for his jab from the good footwork. Didn't Malignaggi supposedly have a very good jab and a reach advantage. It didn't work for him at all.
It's all well and good saying "so, and so has longer arms therefore his jab will be better than the guy with shorter arms". It doesn't always work like that. Other attributes can take away the advantage of reach.
Yeah other attributes can take away the reach advantage IF Hatton got superiority in that attributes... BUT there's almost none...
....................Speed - PAC
......................Skills - PAC
...................Stance - PAC (southpaw)
..................Stamina - PAC
.............. Movement - PAC
.....................Heart - even
..............Experience - PAC
....................Reach - PAC
...........Height/Taller - PAC
Quality of Opponents - PAC
.......Ring Generalship - PAC
.........Corner/Trainer - PAC
.......................Size - even
.......................Age - even
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A lot of those categories are flawed and are determined by you. So that is not credible information.
Hatton fights coming forward with the type of intensity Manny hasn't dealt with before. It has been commented that Pac doesn't fight so well on the back foot and his punching effectiveness is taken away. Reach won't matter in a situation like that. You don't seem able to argue the tangents, you just keep giving me figures and lists, some of which aren't even credible.
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SaddoBoxer
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Pac has the slight reach advantage in this, but as I say that can easily be negated. I keep stressing that Hattons footwork is very good, and along with head movement Hatton will be on Manny before he can blink. Hatton will find leverage for his jab from the good footwork. Didn't Malignaggi supposedly have a very good jab and a reach advantage. It didn't work for him at all.
It's all well and good saying "so, and so has longer arms therefore his jab will be better than the guy with shorter arms". It doesn't always work like that. Other attributes can take away the advantage of reach.
Yeah other attributes can take away the reach advantage IF Hatton got superiority in that attributes... BUT there's almost none...
....................Speed - PAC
......................Skills - PAC
...................Stance - PAC (southpaw)
..................Stamina - PAC
.............. Movement - PAC
.....................Heart - even
..............Experience - PAC
....................Reach - PAC
...........Height/Taller - PAC
Quality of Opponents - PAC
.......Ring Generalship - PAC
.........Corner/Trainer - PAC
.......................Size - even
.......................Age - even
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A lot of those categories are flawed and are determined by you. So that is not credible information.
Hatton fights coming forward with the type of intensity Manny hasn't dealt with before. It has been commented that Pac doesn't fight so well on the back foot and his punching effectiveness is taken away. Reach won't matter in a situation like that. You don't seem able to argue the tangents, you just keep giving me figures and lists, some of which aren't even credible.
Hey miles mate, you're just tense imagining how Hatton can cope up with the PACMAN on fight night... ;)
I need to go out for a while now but I want you to relax first... Please see this video mate to loosen up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTNXzfneTNI
:lolhaha:
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miles
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SaddoBoxer
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miles
I'm surprised you both say that. I have always regarded Hattons footwork as one of the best things about him. He certainly won't be pondering around like a Mummy as Oscar was. It was simple to hit, hit, move, hit, turn against Oscar, but it will be so much more difficult to do that against Hatton.
I don't recall any of Manny's recent opponents having the speed of foot that Ricky has. I really see Hattons ability to get into range, and ready to unload his own shots with quick hands as being a crucial element in this fight. A lot of movement, more jabbing and speed of foot carrying him in close to unload hard, and force Manny in close.
Trust me, it will be easy for PAC to nullify Hatton forward movement since PAC has the superior hand and foot speed... The worst thing in Hatton's movement is the part when he leaps or lunge in... This is the part he's most vulnerable to the left hook as what PBF and Lazcano has demonstrated in their respective fight against Hatton... If these righthanders can do that damage (wobble/KO) on Hatton then how much more of the southpaw PAC...
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I will not give my trust to the Minister of Pacman propaganda! ;D
The leaping hook is something that has been awkward to see from Hatton. But with talk from Hatton about the importance of a good stiff jab, then hopefully we will see less of that leaping in from a distance leaving himself wide open to be countered. Hatton can really box well when he puts his mind to it. We won't be seeing the same Hatton that fought Mayweather, and we won't see anything entirely new either. I think its really about getting back to basics, what Hatton did before Kostya...head movement, jabs, combinations, lots of movement. Hatton IS the bigger man, if he can apply the fundamentals well then the opportunities to land on Manny WILL be there. Manny is not unhittable as Marquez, Barrera and Morales all showed. With Hatton looking to be the aggressor Pac might will eat leather and hard. We know Ricky can take big punches, we don't know that about Manny at the higher weights.
Manny isn't a big puncher anyway, he shocks opponents with speed more than anything. Diaz went down from accumulation, Oscar just decided to give up. Marquez and Barrera both went 12 with Manny without too much stress. I'm sure Hatton can do the same! ;)
Lol. Hatton is nowhere near the great Mexico trio's boxing skills and he's terrible against southpaw too (Collazo). Did you see how he was eating Paulie's jabs? Now imagine those left hands coming from Pac in full force.
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SaddoBoxer
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Yeah other attributes can take away the reach advantage IF Hatton got superiority in that attributes... BUT there's almost none...
....................Speed - PAC
......................Skills - PAC
...................Stance - PAC (southpaw)
..................Stamina - PAC
.............. Movement - PAC
.....................Heart - even
..............Experience - PAC
....................Reach - PAC
...........Height/Taller - PAC
Quality of Opponents - PAC
.......Ring Generalship - PAC
.........Corner/Trainer - PAC
.......................Size - even
.......................Age - even
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A lot of those categories are flawed and are determined by you. So that is not credible information.
Hatton fights coming forward with the type of intensity Manny hasn't dealt with before. It has been commented that Pac doesn't fight so well on the back foot and his punching effectiveness is taken away. Reach won't matter in a situation like that. You don't seem able to argue the tangents, you just keep giving me figures and lists, some of which aren't even credible.
Hey miles mate, you're just tense imagining how Hatton can cope up with the PACMAN on fight night... ;)
I need to go out for a while now but I want you to relax first... Please see this video mate to loosen up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTNXzfneTNI
:lolhaha:
Yes, very funny clip! ;D
I'm looking forward to the next episode. One of those fights you can't help but be hyped up for.
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miles
A lot of those categories are flawed and are determined by you. So that is not credible information.
Hatton fights coming forward with the type of intensity Manny hasn't dealt with before. It has been commented that Pac doesn't fight so well on the back foot and his punching effectiveness is taken away. Reach won't matter in a situation like that. You don't seem able to argue the tangents, you just keep giving me figures and lists, some of which aren't even credible.
Hey miles mate, you're just tense imagining how Hatton can cope up with the PACMAN on fight night... ;)
I need to go out for a while now but I want you to relax first... Please see this video mate to loosen up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTNXzfneTNI
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Yes, very funny clip! ;D
I'm looking forward to the next episode. One of those fights you can't help but be hyped up for.
Those are just outakes. They're not gonna show them on next episode. I know, it's a bummer.
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Re: Do you think PAC will inflict the worst beating ever on Hatton?
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Trust me, it will be easy for PAC to nullify Hatton forward movement since PAC has the superior hand and foot speed... The worst thing in Hatton's movement is the part when he leaps or lunge in... This is the part he's most vulnerable to the left hook as what PBF and Lazcano has demonstrated in their respective fight against Hatton... If these righthanders can do that damage (wobble/KO) on Hatton then how much more of the southpaw PAC...
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I will not give my trust to the Minister of Pacman propaganda! ;D
The leaping hook is something that has been awkward to see from Hatton. But with talk from Hatton about the importance of a good stiff jab, then hopefully we will see less of that leaping in from a distance leaving himself wide open to be countered. Hatton can really box well when he puts his mind to it. We won't be seeing the same Hatton that fought Mayweather, and we won't see anything entirely new either. I think its really about getting back to basics, what Hatton did before Kostya...head movement, jabs, combinations, lots of movement. Hatton IS the bigger man, if he can apply the fundamentals well then the opportunities to land on Manny WILL be there. Manny is not unhittable as Marquez, Barrera and Morales all showed. With Hatton looking to be the aggressor Pac might will eat leather and hard. We know Ricky can take big punches, we don't know that about Manny at the higher weights.
Manny isn't a big puncher anyway, he shocks opponents with speed more than anything. Diaz went down from accumulation, Oscar just decided to give up. Marquez and Barrera both went 12 with Manny without too much stress. I'm sure Hatton can do the same! ;)
Lol. Hatton is nowhere near the great Mexico trio's boxing skills and he's terrible against southpaw too (Collazo). Did you see how he was eating Paulie's jabs? Now imagine those left hands coming from Pac in full force.
Again you are underestimating Hatton and putting him down. Of course the guy has skills, he's only ever lost to the best fighter in the world! Go and watch Hatton's fights prior to the Kostya fight. He boxed really well at times, and we've seen glimpses of it since, but he has come to rely on brute force more often than not. Hatton realises that, whence the changes in his camp. Hatton is very successful mauling his opponents into submission, but you can't just do that all the time.
Hatton might be a cruder fighter than the Mexican trio, but he is a much bigger fighter and comes forward hard. Pac won't like that kind of pressure.
You bring up Hattons issue with southpaws. He has had more problems with southpaws than orthodox fighters, but he has still managed to win each time. Hatton right now is working on getting everything right, his camps have been getting better and better in the states and he seems to be getting in some decent hard sparring whence the nicks under his eyes. Still a few more weeks to hone things.
Paulie landed some jabs, but Paulie is regarded as a very good user of the jab. It's his main punch really, you'd be surprised if he wasn't landing any. Jabs do land on fighters on occasion, you know...;D
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I will not give my trust to the Minister of Pacman propaganda! ;D
The leaping hook is something that has been awkward to see from Hatton. But with talk from Hatton about the importance of a good stiff jab, then hopefully we will see less of that leaping in from a distance leaving himself wide open to be countered. Hatton can really box well when he puts his mind to it. We won't be seeing the same Hatton that fought Mayweather, and we won't see anything entirely new either. I think its really about getting back to basics, what Hatton did before Kostya...head movement, jabs, combinations, lots of movement. Hatton IS the bigger man, if he can apply the fundamentals well then the opportunities to land on Manny WILL be there. Manny is not unhittable as Marquez, Barrera and Morales all showed. With Hatton looking to be the aggressor Pac might will eat leather and hard. We know Ricky can take big punches, we don't know that about Manny at the higher weights.
Manny isn't a big puncher anyway, he shocks opponents with speed more than anything. Diaz went down from accumulation, Oscar just decided to give up. Marquez and Barrera both went 12 with Manny without too much stress. I'm sure Hatton can do the same! ;)
Lol. Hatton is nowhere near the great Mexico trio's boxing skills and he's terrible against southpaw too (Collazo). Did you see how he was eating Paulie's jabs? Now imagine those left hands coming from Pac in full force.
Again you are underestimating Hatton and putting him down. Of course the guy has skills, he's only ever lost to the best fighter in the world! Go and watch Hatton's fights prior to the Kostya fight. He boxed really well at times, and we've seen glimpses of it since, but he has come to rely on brute force more often than not. Hatton realises that, whence the changes in his camp. Hatton is very successful mauling his opponents into submission, but you can't just do that all the time.
Hatton might be a cruder fighter than the Mexican trio, but he is a much bigger fighter and comes forward hard. Pac won't like that kind of pressure.
You bring up Hattons issue with southpaws. He has had more problems with southpaws than orthodox fighters, but he has still managed to win each time. Hatton right now is working on getting everything right, his camps have been getting better and better in the states and he seems to be getting in some decent hard sparring whence the nicks under his eyes. Still a few more weeks to hone things.
Paulie landed some jabs, but Paulie is regarded as a very good user of the jab. It's his main punch really, you'd be surprised if he wasn't landing any. Jabs do land on fighters on occasion, you know...;D
Those are your opinions and I have to respect them. I'm not taking anything away from Hatton. He's a tremendous fighter but he will be facing a very unique and one the most violent fighters in the world. I was just pointing out Hatton flaws.
How's you confident level on this fight btw? From scale 1 to 10 heart and mind(10 is the highest).
In my heart, 8 for Pac.
My mind, also 8 for Pac.
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Lol. Hatton is nowhere near the great Mexico trio's boxing skills and he's terrible against southpaw too (Collazo). Did you see how he was eating Paulie's jabs? Now imagine those left hands coming from Pac in full force.
Again you are underestimating Hatton and putting him down. Of course the guy has skills, he's only ever lost to the best fighter in the world! Go and watch Hatton's fights prior to the Kostya fight. He boxed really well at times, and we've seen glimpses of it since, but he has come to rely on brute force more often than not. Hatton realises that, whence the changes in his camp. Hatton is very successful mauling his opponents into submission, but you can't just do that all the time.
Hatton might be a cruder fighter than the Mexican trio, but he is a much bigger fighter and comes forward hard. Pac won't like that kind of pressure.
You bring up Hattons issue with southpaws. He has had more problems with southpaws than orthodox fighters, but he has still managed to win each time. Hatton right now is working on getting everything right, his camps have been getting better and better in the states and he seems to be getting in some decent hard sparring whence the nicks under his eyes. Still a few more weeks to hone things.
Paulie landed some jabs, but Paulie is regarded as a very good user of the jab. It's his main punch really, you'd be surprised if he wasn't landing any. Jabs do land on fighters on occasion, you know...;D
Those are your opinions and I have to respect them. I'm not taking anything away from Hatton. He's a tremendous fighter but he will be facing a very unique and one the most violent fighters in the world. I was just pointing out Hatton flaws.
How's you confident level on this fight btw? From scale 1 to 10 heart and mind(10 is the highest).
In my heart, 8 for Pac.
My mind, also 8 for Pac.
Yes, they are just opinions. It's all just debate at the end of the day. Likewise, I take nothing away from Manny in trying to make my points. I am well aware that he is an excellent fighter with a proven track record.
My confidence is something that changes day to day. I saw a clip of Hatton the other day and he seemed to be full of sniffles and a cold. On that day my hopes dipped somewhat because I worried he was getting his customary chest infection. But I saw another interview yesterday and he seemed back in tip top condition and full of good talk.
So having said that in terms of my mind I would say a 7. 7 is a decent score but I have certain doubts. Hatton at his absolute pinacle should be getting Manny out of there. But there are a few doubts, Mayweather stopped him, Lazcano hurt him and Paulie can't punch. Hatton's unstoppable chin has been wavering a little.
In terms of heart the same. I am hopeful and feel that if Hatton is as good as he can be, then Manny will be having fits. But again I have a few niggling doubts.
It's a 50-50 fight. Forget the betting odds and the same nutty writers that predicted Lacy would beat Calzaghe. This will be a battle. And I'm not ruling either side out. But I know who I really want to win.
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Here's one creative imagination from one boxing site on how the fight will play out... Enjoy...
ROUND 1
Hatton comes out fast, leaping in with a left hook upstairs that's blocked by Pacquiao. The tanacious Hatton pushes Pacquiao back to the ropes. Head down, he bangs a 1-2 to the body. Pacquiao fires back a vicious four-punch combo that momentarily staggers Hatton. Another 1-2 lands for Pacquiao. Hatton holds on. The ref separates them. Nice left hand lands for Hatton, but Pacquiao fires back with a 1-2 upstairs. Hatton digs a right hand to the body and lands two hard left hooks upstairs. Pacquiao grins and bangs his gloves as if to say he was unfazed by the punches. Both men clinch. Pacquiao dances away on his toes and fires his jab. Hatton presses forward. Left hand lands for Pacquiao. Hatton misses with a left hook to the body. Pacquiao lands a 1-2. Hatton still stalking as Pacquiao circles the ring. They trade jabs. Left hook to the body lands for Hatton. Pacquiao lands a left. Another. Hatton looks unfazed and continues to press forward. Woooooo...quick four-punch combo lands for Pacquiao and Hatton is cut. There's a cut over the left eye of Hatton. Hatton bangs a left to the body and pushes Pacquiao back to the ropes. Blood is pouring all over the face of Hatton. Pacquiao in the corner and Hatton continues to work the body. Pacquiao fires back. Both men trading non-stop in the corner. Two vicious uppercuts land for Pacquio. Hatton answers with a 1-2 upstairs that snaps the head back of Pacquiao. Great round! Great round! I give it to Pacquiao.
Pacquiao 10 Hatton 9
ROUND 2
Hatton charges out and lands a left to the body. Pacquiao dances away and lands a quick 1-2. Hatton presses forward. Pacquiao lands a jab. Another. Straight left lead lands for Pacquiao. Hatton leaps in with a left hook to the body, but misses. Another 1-2 lands for Pacquiao. Hatton lands a right upstairs. Wooooo...another right from Hatton snaps the head back of Pacquiao again. Left to the body lands for Hatton. Pacquiao dances away. Quick three-punch combo lands for Pacquiao. Hatton lands a jab. Another. Pacquiao retreats to the ropes. Some roughhousing on the inside from Hatton. Hatton digs a 1-2 to the body against the ropes. Pacquiao lands a left hook upstairs. 1-2 lands for Pacquiao that opens the cut back up. More blood begins to flow down the face of Hatton. Hatton answers with a 1-2 of his own upstairs. Pacquiao holds on. Hatton lands a nice right upstairs. Some more roughhousing on the inside from Hatton. Pacquiao covers up. Hatton digs another 1-2 to the body. Pacquiao lands a three-punch combo, but eats a HARD right hand from Hatton that snaps his head back. Both men trade jabs. Pacquiao lands a lead straight left. Nice left and a right lands for Hatton against the ropes. Hatton mauls Pacquiao against the ropes as he mugs him with elbows. 1-2 to the body lands for Hatton. Pacquiao works his way out with a three-punch combo. Another good round. A close one, but I give it to Hatton.
Pacquiao 19 Hatton 19
ROUND 3
"Manny, keep the jab in his face. Keep moving and don't let him touch your body son," Freddie Roach could be heard telling Pacquiao in the corner. Pacquiao comes out dancing on his toes and lands a quick 1-2. Jab lands for Pacquiao. Hatton bulls forward and tries to maul him again with some elbows. Referee Kenny Bayless warns Hatton about the dirty tactics. Pacquiao circles around the ring and lands a lead straight left. Hatton jumps in with a left hook to the body, but misses as Pacquiao dances away. Hatton presses forward and backs Pacquiao up to the corner. Some more roughhousing by Pacquiao as he lands a 1-2 to the body. Pacquiao works his way out with a quick combo. Now there's a break in the action as Bayless wants the doctor to take a look at the cut. Thankfully, the action resumes. Hatton leaps in wildly and lands a left hook to the body. Pacquiao grins and bangs his gloves together again. Hatton bulls forward and lands a 1-2. Pacquiao fires back and lands a four-punch combo of his own. Lead straight left lands for Pacquiao. Hatton just eats it. Another lead straight left lands for Pacquiao. Hatton eats it again and presses forward. WOOOOOOOOOO...right hand, left hook and a BIG right uppercut lands for Pacquiao and Hatton is down. He's down! Hatton is flat on his back! Bayless picks up the count at 4, 5, 6....Hatton rolls over and tries to get up....8, 9....Hatton barely beats the count to make it to his feet, but he looks done. His legs are done! Bayless looks him over...THAT'S IT....IT'S OVER! Kenny Bayless calls a halt to the action. Pacquiao raises his hands to the crowd before kneeling in the corner to say a prayer. The crowd is going crazy!
Pacquiao TKO3
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Here's one creative imagination from one boxing site on how the fight will play out... Enjoy...
ROUND 1
Hatton comes out fast, leaping in with a left hook upstairs that's blocked by Pacquiao. The tanacious Hatton pushes Pacquiao back to the ropes. Head down, he bangs a 1-2 to the body. Pacquiao fires back a vicious four-punch combo that momentarily staggers Hatton. Another 1-2 lands for Pacquiao. Hatton holds on. The ref separates them. Nice left hand lands for Hatton, but Pacquiao fires back with a 1-2 upstairs. Hatton digs a right hand to the body and lands two hard left hooks upstairs. Pacquiao grins and bangs his gloves as if to say he was unfazed by the punches. Both men clinch. Pacquiao dances away on his toes and fires his jab. Hatton presses forward. Left hand lands for Pacquiao. Hatton misses with a left hook to the body. Pacquiao lands a 1-2. Hatton still stalking as Pacquiao circles the ring. They trade jabs. Left hook to the body lands for Hatton. Pacquiao lands a left. Another. Hatton looks unfazed and continues to press forward. Woooooo...quick four-punch combo lands for Pacquiao and Hatton is cut. There's a cut over the left eye of Hatton. Hatton bangs a left to the body and pushes Pacquiao back to the ropes. Blood is pouring all over the face of Hatton. Pacquiao in the corner and Hatton continues to work the body. Pacquiao fires back. Both men trading non-stop in the corner. Two vicious uppercuts land for Pacquio. Hatton answers with a 1-2 upstairs that snaps the head back of Pacquiao. Great round! Great round! I give it to Pacquiao.
Pacquiao 10 Hatton 9
ROUND 2
Hatton charges out and lands a left to the body. Pacquiao dances away and lands a quick 1-2. Hatton presses forward. Pacquiao lands a jab. Another. Straight left lead lands for Pacquiao. Hatton leaps in with a left hook to the body, but misses. Another 1-2 lands for Pacquiao. Hatton lands a right upstairs. Wooooo...another right from Hatton snaps the head back of Pacquiao again. Left to the body lands for Hatton. Pacquiao dances away. Quick three-punch combo lands for Pacquiao. Hatton lands a jab. Another. Pacquiao retreats to the ropes. Some roughhousing on the inside from Hatton. Hatton digs a 1-2 to the body against the ropes. Pacquiao lands a left hook upstairs. 1-2 lands for Pacquiao that opens the cut back up. More blood begins to flow down the face of Hatton. Hatton answers with a 1-2 of his own upstairs. Pacquiao holds on. Hatton lands a nice right upstairs. Some more roughhousing on the inside from Hatton. Pacquiao covers up. Hatton digs another 1-2 to the body. Pacquiao lands a three-punch combo, but eats a HARD right hand from Hatton that snaps his head back. Both men trade jabs. Pacquiao lands a lead straight left. Nice left and a right lands for Hatton against the ropes. Hatton mauls Pacquiao against the ropes as he mugs him with elbows. 1-2 to the body lands for Hatton. Pacquiao works his way out with a three-punch combo. Another good round. A close one, but I give it to Hatton.
Pacquiao 19 Hatton 19
ROUND 3
"Manny, keep the jab in his face. Keep moving and don't let him touch your body son," Freddie Roach could be heard telling Pacquiao in the corner. Pacquiao comes out dancing on his toes and lands a quick 1-2. Jab lands for Pacquiao. Hatton bulls forward and tries to maul him again with some elbows. Referee Kenny Bayless warns Hatton about the dirty tactics. Pacquiao circles around the ring and lands a lead straight left. Hatton jumps in with a left hook to the body, but misses as Pacquiao dances away. Hatton presses forward and backs Pacquiao up to the corner. Some more roughhousing by Pacquiao as he lands a 1-2 to the body. Pacquiao works his way out with a quick combo. Now there's a break in the action as Bayless wants the doctor to take a look at the cut. Thankfully, the action resumes. Hatton leaps in wildly and lands a left hook to the body. Pacquiao grins and bangs his gloves together again. Hatton bulls forward and lands a 1-2. Pacquiao fires back and lands a four-punch combo of his own. Lead straight left lands for Pacquiao. Hatton just eats it. Another lead straight left lands for Pacquiao. Hatton eats it again and presses forward. WOOOOOOOOOO...right hand, left hook and a BIG right uppercut lands for Pacquiao and Hatton is down. He's down! Hatton is flat on his back! Bayless picks up the count at 4, 5, 6....Hatton rolls over and tries to get up....8, 9....Hatton barely beats the count to make it to his feet, but he looks done. His legs are done! Bayless looks him over...THAT'S IT....IT'S OVER! Kenny Bayless calls a halt to the action. Pacquiao raises his hands to the crowd before kneeling in the corner to say a prayer. The crowd is going crazy!
Pacquiao TKO3
;D
What boxing site?
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Re: Do you think PAC will inflict the worst beating ever on Hatton?
Freddie Roach is quite the scribe. :detective:
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Here's one creative imagination from one boxing site on how the fight will play out... Enjoy...
;D
What boxing site?
link --> FIGHTHYPE \\ WILL PACQUIAO-HATTON LIVE UP TO HAGLER-HEARNS
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PAC fans vs. HAT fans ... You can see miles in the video starting at around 0:57 ... ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8uMbQG2sZw
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Freddie Roach is quite the scribe. :detective:
Sends a tingle up the spine, so close to Freddie's prediction it's spooky. Just saved some cash on the cost of having to watch it though which was good. Does this mean we can start a thread on the result ?:confused:
