Re: Lets end the Mike Tyson debate
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Master
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El Kabong
James Toney used roids as a heavyweight and he looked like crap
Botha and Tarver too. Then you have a Vargas for example who looked like a mini Mr. Universe. I mean shit, Mike Ayala fought while on heroin?! I'm not sure what the understood definition of PED is anymore.
heroin would not be PED would it?
Yes it would, if someone takes enough to not get trashed it will block pain. That of course can be huge in a fight.
When your being punched in the face by Little Red Lopez that had to be a plus. Even Eric's Gran couldn't stand up to that ;D
Re: Lets end the Mike Tyson debate
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cambay411
Because thats what it does. Ask a user. They take it right before a work out to get pumped and work out longer.
The key phrase is "before a work out"... because they don't offer any benefits if you aren't training. That was my only point: it's not like you just inject steroids, do nothing and they do great things for you. They are just a tool to help you get more out of workouts.
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cambay411
Because thats what it does. Ask a user. They take it right before a work out to get pumped and work out longer.
The key phrase is "before a work out"... because they don't offer any benefits if you aren't training. That was my only point: it's not like you just inject steroids, do nothing and they do great things for you. They are just a tool to help you get more out of workouts.
And help you recover after workouts so you can hit the gym harder the next day.
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Peds are just a supplement that most pro use if not all and it does not make that big of a difference to me if they used them or not. For all i know most of the heavyweights today use them as for every other weight class. Why not use them give me a reason if most people use them already why keep it banned it goes against progress. As your question Master Holyfeilds prime was over after the second Bowie fight he started having hart problems and also think got hep b as well after that fight some time after. I mean he was already fighting for 10 years and with bigger guys for most and was in his 30's.
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El Kabong
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cambay411
Because thats what it does. Ask a user. They take it right before a work out to get pumped and work out longer.
The key phrase is "before a work out"... because they don't offer any benefits if you aren't training. That was my only point: it's not like you just inject steroids, do nothing and they do great things for you. They are just a tool to help you get more out of workouts.
And help you recover after workouts so you can hit the gym harder the next day.
Yeah! More gains when you do stuff... but to get any gains, you have to do something! Haha, it'd be great if you could just give yourself a shot of steroids and the next day look like Arnold circa 1978. I'd do it!
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Yeah! More gains when you do stuff... but to get any gains, you have to do something! Haha, it'd be great if you could just give yourself a shot of steroids and the next day look like Arnold circa 1978. I'd do it!
Agreed
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Yeah! More gains when you do stuff... but to get any gains, you have to do something! Haha, it'd be great if you could just give yourself a shot of steroids and the next day look like Arnold circa 1978. I'd do it!
Agreed
Not if it meant you have a small dick and die young of a heart attack.
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Beanflicker
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cambay411
Because thats what it does. Ask a user. They take it right before a work out to get pumped and work out longer.
The key phrase is "before a work out"... because they don't offer any benefits if you aren't training. That was my only point: it's not like you just inject steroids, do nothing and they do great things for you. They are just a tool to help you get more out of workouts.
What im saying is they take it right before their workout because it provides an energy rush. You take it and your zooming ready to take on anything.
That in itself would give an extra push in a sport but thats the least of the advantages roids give someone.
So if dude had a clone of his grandma and gave one roids and pitted them against each other, the one who took roids would likely easily win considering she has a testsoterone rush off roids with a much higher level of energy and intensity.
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erics44
if my gran did steroids and didnt train after several weeks of her cycle she would be able to bench press more than she would have done not on the cycle,
How did you reach that conclusion?
its just a fact, there are short term immediate benefits to taking steroids
you start a cycle today, you could take dbol and it would kick in after a week or two
do a bench press before you start see how much you can lift
do nothing else, eat macdonalds and pizzas everyday, do nothing but watch TV
after a couple of weeks of the cycle do another bench press see how much your lift has improved, continue taking it, add a bit of test to your cycle, do another bench press, when the test kicks in do another bench press
see how much more you can lift
Re: Lets end the Mike Tyson debate
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cambay411
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Beanflicker
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cambay411
Because thats what it does. Ask a user. They take it right before a work out to get pumped and work out longer.
The key phrase is "before a work out"... because they don't offer any benefits if you aren't training. That was my only point: it's not like you just inject steroids, do nothing and they do great things for you. They are just a tool to help you get more out of workouts.
What im saying is they take it right before their workout because it provides an energy rush. You take it and your zooming ready to take on anything.
That in itself would give an extra push in a sport but thats the least of the advantages roids give someone.
So if dude had a clone of his grandma and gave one roids and pitted them against each other, the one who took roids would likely easily win considering she has a testsoterone rush off roids with a much higher level of energy and intensity.
all due respect fellas people tend to take steroids before a work out because the workout will help pump the stuff around your body, im not sure it will improve your lifts immediately after an injection
there could be drugs you take that give you an immediate gain but i havent heard of any
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So master would you agree that Holyfeilds prime was pretty much after the second Bowie fight. I say that is the best answer after that he started to have a lot of hart problems and got hep b as well. He was also in his 30's and been fighting for 10 years so i say that was his prime really if you can not find out.
Re: Lets end the Mike Tyson debate
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erics44
its just a fact, there are short term immediate benefits to taking steroids
you start a cycle today, you could take dbol and it would kick in after a week or two
do a bench press before you start see how much you can lift
do nothing else, eat macdonalds and pizzas everyday, do nothing but watch TV
after a couple of weeks of the cycle do another bench press see how much your lift has improved, continue taking it, add a bit of test to your cycle, do another bench press, when the test kicks in do another bench press
see how much more you can lift
I've never seen any science or even any first-hand info from roid users that would support that.
Taking steroids and sitting at home doing nothing and eating shitty will make you a fat motherfucker, it's not going to help you.
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What im saying is they take it right before their workout because it provides an energy rush. You take it and your zooming ready to take on anything.
Energy rush? What substance are we talking about?
Steroids help you recover quicker from a workout and experience bigger gains. I've never heard of a steroid that you inject right before a workout that gives you an energy rush.
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Beanflicker
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erics44
its just a fact, there are short term immediate benefits to taking steroids
you start a cycle today, you could take dbol and it would kick in after a week or two
do a bench press before you start see how much you can lift
do nothing else, eat macdonalds and pizzas everyday, do nothing but watch TV
after a couple of weeks of the cycle do another bench press see how much your lift has improved, continue taking it, add a bit of test to your cycle, do another bench press, when the test kicks in do another bench press
see how much more you can lift
I've never seen any science or even any first-hand info from roid users that would support that.
Taking steroids and sitting at home doing nothing and eating shitty will make you a fat motherfucker, it's not going to help you.
not taking steroids and sitting at home doing nothing and eating shitty will make you a fat motherfucker, its not going to help you
steroids dont make you fat, eating too much and not excersizing makes you fat
steroids improve your performance and you dont have to do anything other than take steroids to improve your performance
if you take steroids and have the right exercise/diet plan the effects can be long term
and i dont even know why we are talking about this anyway, professional boxers do have the right training plan and diets so they will make the most of the roids
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erics44
steroids dont make you fat, eating too much and not excersizing makes you fat
steroids improve your performance and you dont have to do anything other than take steroids to improve your performance
We're talking about this because the statements you are making (like the ones above) are simply not true. Steroids promote the retention of water and fat.
Muscle is formed from the breaking down of the muscle (caused by exertion of the muscle through exercise) and the rebuilding. If you don't do anything, you're not going to have any gains and you'll suffer through the side effects anyway.
