Lets end the Mike Tyson debate

[El Kabong]

James Toney used roids as a heavyweight and he looked like crap

[erics44]

ok then, you lot have sussed it, its not worth taking peds and on the evidence of james toney they dont enhance your performance they make it worse

yeah hollyfield moved up the weights and stayed champ on skill alone, he took roids but they never helped

[Beanflicker]

yeah hollyfield moved up the weights and stayed champ on skill alone, he took roids but they never helped

Hahah I'm not saying PEDs don't help, if they didn't help no one would take them!

But it takes a lot more than that to make a champ and they don't help as much as people think... I've seen no evidence that they really improve a punch all that well either!

Watch Stefan Bonnar vs Anderson Silva from the UFC... Bonnar was roided to the gills and Silva was (as far as we know) clean. Silva ragdolled Bonnar and at one point let him have free punches on him that he laughed off. So this notion that steroids turn an average fighter into a killer is crazy IMHO!

And there's no real way to know that the other big names of the time weren't taking it, so it's kinda unfair and unrealistic to single Holyfield out as the only roider.

[erics44]

yeah hollyfield moved up the weights and stayed champ on skill alone, he took roids but they never helped

Hahah I'm not saying PEDs don't help, if they didn't help no one would take them!

But it takes a lot more than that to make a champ and they don't help as much as people think... I've seen no evidence that they really improve a punch all that well either!

Watch Stefan Bonnar vs Anderson Silva from the UFC... Bonnar was roided to the gills and Silva was (as far as we know) clean. Silva ragdolled Bonnar and at one point let him have free punches on him that he laughed off. So this notion that steroids turn an average fighter into a killer is crazy IMHO!

And there's no real way to know that the other big names of the time weren't taking it, so it's kinda unfair and unrealistic to single Holyfield out as the only roider.

you cant compare one person against another only one person against themself

if my gran took roids she would be a better boxer than she is

in weight lifting roids make a massive difference to your performance, a man who can bench 80 kilos will bench 100, and thats dodgy sh1t from the man in the alley

imagine how these multimillion pound prefessional athletes would benefit from the roids they get

[Beanflicker]

if my gran took roids she would be a better boxer than she is

I don't know if it would make her a better boxer... she'd probably sprout some nice thick chest hair though!

[erics44]

if my gran took roids she would be a better boxer than she is

I don't know if it would make her a better boxer... she'd probably sprout some nice thick chest hair though!

actually better boxer is probably a bad way of saying it

my roided gran would batter my non roided gran

[Beanflicker]

my roided gran would batter my non roided gran

Not really. Steroids help you to better recover from workouts and use the food you eat to better service your body. If your granny shot up steroids without any training regimine or clean eating, she'd put on fat, her blood pressure and cholesterol would go through the roof and she'd be bloated from water retention.

They aren't the magic bullet that people think they are.

[cambay411]

yeah hollyfield moved up the weights and stayed champ on skill alone, he took roids but they never helped

Hahah I'm not saying PEDs don't help, if they didn't help no one would take them!

But it takes a lot more than that to make a champ and they don't help as much as people think... I've seen no evidence that they really improve a punch all that well either!

Watch Stefan Bonnar vs Anderson Silva from the UFC... Bonnar was roided to the gills and Silva was (as far as we know) clean. Silva ragdolled Bonnar and at one point let him have free punches on him that he laughed off. So this notion that steroids turn an average fighter into a killer is crazy IMHO!

And there's no real way to know that the other big names of the time weren't taking it, so it's kinda unfair and unrealistic to single Holyfield out as the only roider.

you cant compare one person against another only one person against themself

if my gran took roids she would be a better boxer than she is

in weight lifting roids make a massive difference to your performance, a man who can bench 80 kilos will bench 100, and thats dodgy sh1t from the man in the alley

imagine how these multimillion pound prefessional athletes would benefit from the roids they get

Exactly

[Spicoli]

James Toney used roids as a heavyweight and he looked like crap

Botha and Tarver too. Then you have a Vargas for example who looked like a mini Mr. Universe. I mean shit, Mike Ayala fought while on heroin?! I'm not sure what the understood definition of PED is anymore.

[Master]

James Toney used roids as a heavyweight and he looked like crap

Botha and Tarver too. Then you have a Vargas for example who looked like a mini Mr. Universe. I mean shit, Mike Ayala fought while on heroin?! I'm not sure what the understood definition of PED is anymore.

heroin would not be PED would it?

[Spicoli]

James Toney used roids as a heavyweight and he looked like crap

Botha and Tarver too. Then you have a Vargas for example who looked like a mini Mr. Universe. I mean shit, Mike Ayala fought while on heroin?! I'm not sure what the understood definition of PED is anymore.

heroin would not be PED would it?

I don't know, dulls everything I'd imagine. Pain threshold? Depends on the individual, usage etc. Never used that one.

[cambay411]

James Toney used roids as a heavyweight and he looked like crap

Botha and Tarver too. Then you have a Vargas for example who looked like a mini Mr. Universe. I mean shit, Mike Ayala fought while on heroin?! I'm not sure what the understood definition of PED is anymore.

heroin would not be PED would it?

Yes it would, if someone takes enough to not get trashed it will block pain. That of course can be huge in a fight.

[Spicoli]

James Toney used roids as a heavyweight and he looked like crap

Botha and Tarver too. Then you have a Vargas for example who looked like a mini Mr. Universe. I mean shit, Mike Ayala fought while on heroin?! I'm not sure what the understood definition of PED is anymore.

heroin would not be PED would it?

Yes it would, if someone takes enough to not get trashed it will block pain. That of course can be huge in a fight.

When your being punched in the face by Little Red Lopez that had to be a plus. Even Eric's Gran couldn't stand up to that