Phuck Margacheato!!! I hope Cotto punishes him, and I dont even like cotto...

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Never been a fan of Cotto, but I hope Cotto beats Margacheatos ass!!!

Margacheato dont deserve to even be in a boxing match, let alone a big payday like this one. I hope karma has a say in this.....

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Enough with the nonsense already. The man has paid his debt to society. He served the punishment that was given to him. I see no reason why his right to earn a living in the country he was born be taken away

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What debt did he pay to "society"? Did he do time, work for a charity, do community service, or anything of merit towards society? And lets stop acting like his right to work was taken away. He was only suspended from "boxing" for a year.

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He served the punishment that was given to him. What more was he suppose to do? He didn't get to pick his punishment. It was given to him. And he served it. Case close

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I'm surprised to see you VD supporting a punk bitch like Margarito! You say a lot of fun stuff & tell it how you see it but I never thought you'd stick up for such a disgrace.

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I do tell it like I see it. And you know what I saw? I saw Cotto take 267 punches (237 of them power shots) from a much bigger man. Wraps were not needed to beat Cotto. 267 punches from a bigger, stronger fighter are gonna bust you up regardless. It amazes me how the Cotto groupies, the Margaito bashers and even Cotto himself always seem to ignore the fact that he took over 260 punches. And that just might be the reason he lost.

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I'm not a Cotto supporter & even bring their 1st fight into question. Margarito got caught with the wraps before the Mosley fight & thats all she wrote! He attempted to cheat in the worst way possible & is a disgrace to the sport imo

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You're one of the few people here who opinions I ponder over when it opposes mine. Maybe I'm wrong? Is it possible? At times the possibility is there. Not on this one. This one I understand. You been following the sport a long time. I consider you a boxing fan. As oppose to just a certain fighters fan. Which is why I acknowledge them. Take away the bias and hatred towards the suspect I don't understand why it's so hard to accept Margarito's story about not knowing. I can't recall if you ever mention having fought before or not. In my lifetime I participated 22 amateur fights. I been around several fighters while they got there hands wrapped. Many times I seen fighters with there heads down. Eyes close. Alone with there thoughts. Others I seen with ear phones on. Into whatever they are listening to. I seen one fighter praying with his minister as he got his hands wrapped. Point is none were paying attention to the wrapping. Until now very few did. Margarito saying he didn't know is very believable. And normal. Why his excuse is laugh at and dismiss so easily to this day stumps me

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The flip side, is, take away the bias that some people have for Margarito, and what's the basis for accepting his story? The entirety of the evidence for Margarito's not knowing is that he says so. Well, of course he says so. That evidence can pretty much be discounted out of hand, as he has a bias in professing his innocence. Guess what Luis Resto's story was? He didn't know. Margarito's story is the same as every guilty person's story - "I didn't do it." (the exception being those whose guilt is so incontrovertible that they have to admit it and cut a deal)

Of course, that's also the same as every innocent person's story. It doesn't mean he did it; it just doesn't provide much of a reason for thinking he didn't do it, either.

The reasons for thinking he did do it vary. He has looked markedly worse in his last three fights than he did previously. That's pretty flimsy, but it's something. (And it's not flimsier than believing he's innocent because he says so).

Ultimately, it's a lot simpler than that, for me. First, we have his own statement that he would have known. If we accept that statement, then the only way he's innocent is if he had illegal wraps for the very first time ever against Cotto. And I don't believe it for the same reason I don't think the cops who beat the hell out of Rodney King never did it before. Because people who cheat/commit crimes don't usually get caught the first time they do it. Most people get caught after they've gotten away with something a bunch of times. With all the money on the line for winning a world championship, and building your reputation, we're supposed to believe that he (and/or Capetillo) never did it before for more than 40 fights, then when he's 30 years old, after winning multiple world titles, for the very first time ever, Capetillo decides he's going to cheat, he doesn't tell Margarito, and he happens to get caught that very time? It's possible, but on balance, I think it's a lot less likely.

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You couldnt have said it any better... PROPS!!

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Yes well said, I appreciate what your saying VD & thats your opinion. I did fight both amateur & pro. I have a pic of one of my fights as my avatar. I know what your saying, every fighter is different when it comes to getting their hands wrapped. But at the end of the day imo it is the fighters responsiblity & he should be held accountable to some degree. How would Margarito have felt if he had killed Mosley & not known? He has to take some responsiblity. I agree he has served the punishment given him but feel it was not stern enough given the potential consequences

who thinks evanda mcholycheat should be a hall of famer? how about roy jones cheat?

think margacheato has a chance?

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Yes well said, I appreciate what your saying VD & thats your opinion. I did fight both amateur & pro. I have a pic of one of my fights as my avatar. I know what your saying, every fighter is different when it comes to getting their hands wrapped. But at the end of the day imo it is the fighters responsiblity & he should be held accountable to some degree. How would Margarito have felt if he had killed Mosley & not known? He has to take some responsiblity. I agree he has served the punishment given him but feel it was not stern enough given the potential consequences

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Oh of course. Margarito getting punished was not something I disagreed with. I believed Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas when they said they didn't know what they took or injected. But at the same time it was one of there team members that did it. So with it being there team they shoulder the responsibilty for it. Capetillo was on Margarito's team. So he was punished. Fine that's not the problem. The problem is he's being called a cheator for something he knew nothing about. Mosley and Vargas never recieved that kind of treatment. Why does Margarito? The man has no criminal record. He doesn't drink or use drugs. He's a married man who has always came into the ring in excellent shape. And even in th ring he's never had a reputation as a dirty fighter. So why is the word of this honest, hard working man doubted?

VD how would he not know his hands were illegally wrapped? Surely he would have just looked down and seen the were being plastered? He is a cheat and that's the end of it. Fair enough he has served his ban but noneless he will still always be known as a cheat. Hope Cotto wins this time, will be a tough fight no doubt, but Cotto will need to be on a stella performance if he will beat him this time.

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Yes well said, I appreciate what your saying VD & thats your opinion. I did fight both amateur & pro. I have a pic of one of my fights as my avatar. I know what your saying, every fighter is different when it comes to getting their hands wrapped. But at the end of the day imo it is the fighters responsiblity & he should be held accountable to some degree. How would Margarito have felt if he had killed Mosley & not known? He has to take some responsiblity. I agree he has served the punishment given him but feel it was not stern enough given the potential consequences

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Oh of course. Margarito getting punished was not something I disagreed with. I believed Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas when they said they didn't know what they took or injected. But at the same time it was one of there team members that did it. So with it being there team they shoulder the responsibilty for it. Capetillo was on Margarito's team. So he was punished. Fine that's not the problem. The problem is he's being called a cheator for something he knew nothing about. Mosley and Vargas never recieved that kind of treatment. Why does Margarito? The man has no criminal record. He doesn't drink or use drugs. He's a married man who has always came into the ring in excellent shape. And even in th ring he's never had a reputation as a dirty fighter. So why is the word of this honest, hard working man doubted?

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I just realized you've been being sarcastic all this time. I must be getting mentally hampered with old age. You're good VD. Never seen that coming.

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Never been a fan of Cotto, but I hope Cotto beats Margacheatos ass!!!

Margacheato dont deserve to even be in a boxing match, let alone a big payday like this one. I hope karma has a say in this.....

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Enough with the nonsense already. The man has paid his debt to society. He served the punishment that was given to him. I see no reason why his right to earn a living in the country he was born be taken away

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What debt did he pay to "society"? Did he do time, work for a charity, do community service, or anything of merit towards society? And lets stop acting like his right to work was taken away. He was only suspended from "boxing" for a year.

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He served the punishment that was given to him. What more was he suppose to do? He didn't get to pick his punishment. It was given to him. And he served it. Case close

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I'm surprised to see you VD supporting a punk bitch like Margarito! You say a lot of fun stuff & tell it how you see it but I never thought you'd stick up for such a disgrace.

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I do tell it like I see it. And you know what I saw? I saw Cotto take 267 punches (237 of them power shots) from a much bigger man. Wraps were not needed to beat Cotto. 267 punches from a bigger, stronger fighter are gonna bust you up regardless. It amazes me how the Cotto groupies, the Margaito bashers and even Cotto himself always seem to ignore the fact that he took over 260 punches. And that just might be the reason he lost.

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I'm not a Cotto supporter & even bring their 1st fight into question. Margarito got caught with the wraps before the Mosley fight & thats all she wrote! He attempted to cheat in the worst way possible & is a disgrace to the sport imo

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You're one of the few people here who opinions I ponder over when it opposes mine. Maybe I'm wrong? Is it possible? At times the possibility is there. Not on this one. This one I understand. You been following the sport a long time. I consider you a boxing fan. As oppose to just a certain fighters fan. Which is why I acknowledge them. Take away the bias and hatred towards the suspect I don't understand why it's so hard to accept Margarito's story about not knowing. I can't recall if you ever mention having fought before or not. In my lifetime I participated 22 amateur fights. I been around several fighters while they got there hands wrapped. Many times I seen fighters with there heads down. Eyes close. Alone with there thoughts. Others I seen with ear phones on. Into whatever they are listening to. I seen one fighter praying with his minister as he got his hands wrapped. Point is none were paying attention to the wrapping. Until now very few did. Margarito saying he didn't know is very believable. And normal. Why his excuse is laugh at and dismiss so easily to this day stumps me

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The flip side, is, take away the bias that some people have for Margarito, and what's the basis for accepting his story? The entirety of the evidence for Margarito's not knowing is that he says so. Well, of course he says so. That evidence can pretty much be discounted out of hand, as he has a bias in professing his innocence. Guess what Luis Resto's story was? He didn't know. Margarito's story is the same as every guilty person's story - "I didn't do it." (the exception being those whose guilt is so incontrovertible that they have to admit it and cut a deal)

Of course, that's also the same as every innocent person's story. It doesn't mean he did it; it just doesn't provide much of a reason for thinking he didn't do it, either.

The reasons for thinking he did do it vary. He has looked markedly worse in his last three fights than he did previously. That's pretty flimsy, but it's something. (And it's not flimsier than believing he's innocent because he says so).

Ultimately, it's a lot simpler than that, for me. First, we have his own statement that he would have known. If we accept that statement, then the only way he's innocent is if he had illegal wraps for the very first time ever against Cotto. And I don't believe it for the same reason I don't think the cops who beat the hell out of Rodney King never did it before. Because people who cheat/commit crimes don't usually get caught the first time they do it. Most people get caught after they've gotten away with something a bunch of times. With all the money on the line for winning a world championship, and building your reputation, we're supposed to believe that he (and/or Capetillo) never did it before for more than 40 fights, then when he's 30 years old, after winning multiple world titles, for the very first time ever, Capetillo decides he's going to cheat, he doesn't tell Margarito, and he happens to get caught that very time? It's possible, but on balance, I think it's a lot less likely.

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So who is saying that Margarito cheated in the Cotto fight? Cotto and a bunch of Cotto fans here and because they say so we are suppose to believe that Margarito did cheat?? I really dont know the process in getting wrapped but is no one from the athletic commission there to watch the wrapping of the hands? I would think that they have to be there and if they were and they ok'd the wraps I would say that should put an end to all the arguments about that fight.

Cotto was a graceful loser in that fight and he never complained as were his supporters but in the last few weeks when he opened his mouth and brought it up on 24/7 so did the boards start circulating in here. Bottomline Cotto lost, if what he believes is true then we will see him win on Saturday then all you Margarito bashers can have a field day until then better stay quiet, if Margarito wins again what will you all say then??

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Never been a fan of Cotto, but I hope Cotto beats Margacheatos ass!!!

Margacheato dont deserve to even be in a boxing match, let alone a big payday like this one. I hope karma has a say in this.....

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Enough with the nonsense already. The man has paid his debt to society. He served the punishment that was given to him. I see no reason why his right to earn a living in the country he was born be taken away

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What debt did he pay to "society"? Did he do time, work for a charity, do community service, or anything of merit towards society? And lets stop acting like his right to work was taken away. He was only suspended from "boxing" for a year.

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He served the punishment that was given to him. What more was he suppose to do? He didn't get to pick his punishment. It was given to him. And he served it. Case close

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I'm surprised to see you VD supporting a punk bitch like Margarito! You say a lot of fun stuff & tell it how you see it but I never thought you'd stick up for such a disgrace.

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I do tell it like I see it. And you know what I saw? I saw Cotto take 267 punches (237 of them power shots) from a much bigger man. Wraps were not needed to beat Cotto. 267 punches from a bigger, stronger fighter are gonna bust you up regardless. It amazes me how the Cotto groupies, the Margaito bashers and even Cotto himself always seem to ignore the fact that he took over 260 punches. And that just might be the reason he lost.

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I'm not a Cotto supporter & even bring their 1st fight into question. Margarito got caught with the wraps before the Mosley fight & thats all she wrote! He attempted to cheat in the worst way possible & is a disgrace to the sport imo

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You're one of the few people here who opinions I ponder over when it opposes mine. Maybe I'm wrong? Is it possible? At times the possibility is there. Not on this one. This one I understand. You been following the sport a long time. I consider you a boxing fan. As oppose to just a certain fighters fan. Which is why I acknowledge them. Take away the bias and hatred towards the suspect I don't understand why it's so hard to accept Margarito's story about not knowing. I can't recall if you ever mention having fought before or not. In my lifetime I participated 22 amateur fights. I been around several fighters while they got there hands wrapped. Many times I seen fighters with there heads down. Eyes close. Alone with there thoughts. Others I seen with ear phones on. Into whatever they are listening to. I seen one fighter praying with his minister as he got his hands wrapped. Point is none were paying attention to the wrapping. Until now very few did. Margarito saying he didn't know is very believable. And normal. Why his excuse is laugh at and dismiss so easily to this day stumps me

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The flip side, is, take away the bias that some people have for Margarito, and what's the basis for accepting his story? The entirety of the evidence for Margarito's not knowing is that he says so. Well, of course he says so. That evidence can pretty much be discounted out of hand, as he has a bias in professing his innocence. Guess what Luis Resto's story was? He didn't know. Margarito's story is the same as every guilty person's story - "I didn't do it." (the exception being those whose guilt is so incontrovertible that they have to admit it and cut a deal)

Of course, that's also the same as every innocent person's story. It doesn't mean he did it; it just doesn't provide much of a reason for thinking he didn't do it, either.

The reasons for thinking he did do it vary. He has looked markedly worse in his last three fights than he did previously. That's pretty flimsy, but it's something. (And it's not flimsier than believing he's innocent because he says so).

Ultimately, it's a lot simpler than that, for me. First, we have his own statement that he would have known. If we accept that statement, then the only way he's innocent is if he had illegal wraps for the very first time ever against Cotto. And I don't believe it for the same reason I don't think the cops who beat the hell out of Rodney King never did it before. Because people who cheat/commit crimes don't usually get caught the first time they do it. Most people get caught after they've gotten away with something a bunch of times. With all the money on the line for winning a world championship, and building your reputation, we're supposed to believe that he (and/or Capetillo) never did it before for more than 40 fights, then when he's 30 years old, after winning multiple world titles, for the very first time ever, Capetillo decides he's going to cheat, he doesn't tell Margarito, and he happens to get caught that very time? It's possible, but on balance, I think it's a lot less likely.

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So who is saying that Margarito cheated in the Cotto fight? Cotto and a bunch of Cotto fans here and because they say so we are suppose to believe that Margarito did cheat?? I really dont know the process in getting wrapped but is no one from the athletic commission there to watch the wrapping of the hands? I would think that they have to be there and if they were and they ok'd the wraps I would say that should put an end to all the arguments about that fight.

Cotto was a graceful loser in that fight and he never complained as were his supporters but in the last few weeks when he opened his mouth and brought it up on 24/7 so did the boards start circulating in here. Bottomline Cotto lost, if what he believes is true then we will see him win on Saturday then all you Margarito bashers can have a field day until then better stay quiet, if Margarito wins again what will you all say then??

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It's beyond dispute that he was wrapped illegally for the Mosley fight, and there was a representative from the athletic commission present, so it seems a little odd to suggest that the fact that an athletic commissioner there for the Cotto fight "should put an end to all the arguments" about it.

What will you say if Cotto wins the rematch decisively?

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Yes well said, I appreciate what your saying VD & thats your opinion. I did fight both amateur & pro. I have a pic of one of my fights as my avatar. I know what your saying, every fighter is different when it comes to getting their hands wrapped. But at the end of the day imo it is the fighters responsiblity & he should be held accountable to some degree. How would Margarito have felt if he had killed Mosley & not known? He has to take some responsiblity. I agree he has served the punishment given him but feel it was not stern enough given the potential consequences

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Oh of course. Margarito getting punished was not something I disagreed with. I believed Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas when they said they didn't know what they took or injected. But at the same time it was one of there team members that did it. So with it being there team they shoulder the responsibilty for it. Capetillo was on Margarito's team. So he was punished. Fine that's not the problem. The problem is he's being called a cheator for something he knew nothing about. Mosley and Vargas never recieved that kind of treatment. Why does Margarito? The man has no criminal record. He doesn't drink or use drugs. He's a married man who has always came into the ring in excellent shape. And even in th ring he's never had a reputation as a dirty fighter. So why is the word of this honest, hard working man doubted?

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I'm not sure on your view of PEDs but what do you think is more severe? Entering the ring after training on PEDs or having plaster in your gloves? Margarito was the one who was going to be throwing punches in the Mosley fight.

If you gave me a gun that I say i didn't know was loaded & I shot someone do you think the jury would take it easy on me? I'm a hard working man!

My feeling is the punishment didn't fit the crime

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Yes well said, I appreciate what your saying VD & thats your opinion. I did fight both amateur & pro. I have a pic of one of my fights as my avatar. I know what your saying, every fighter is different when it comes to getting their hands wrapped. But at the end of the day imo it is the fighters responsiblity & he should be held accountable to some degree. How would Margarito have felt if he had killed Mosley & not known? He has to take some responsiblity. I agree he has served the punishment given him but feel it was not stern enough given the potential consequences

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Oh of course. Margarito getting punished was not something I disagreed with. I believed Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas when they said they didn't know what they took or injected. But at the same time it was one of there team members that did it. So with it being there team they shoulder the responsibilty for it. Capetillo was on Margarito's team. So he was punished. Fine that's not the problem. The problem is he's being called a cheator for something he knew nothing about. Mosley and Vargas never recieved that kind of treatment. Why does Margarito? The man has no criminal record. He doesn't drink or use drugs. He's a married man who has always came into the ring in excellent shape. And even in th ring he's never had a reputation as a dirty fighter. So why is the word of this honest, hard working man doubted?

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I'm not sure on your view of PEDs but what do you think is more severe? Entering the ring after training on PEDs or having plaster in your gloves? Margarito was the one who was going to be throwing punches in the Mosley fight.

If you gave me a gun that I say i didn't know was loaded & I shot someone do you think the jury would take it easy on me? I'm a hard working man!

My feeling is the punishment didn't fit the crime

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taking peds is just as severe as having the plaster in the gloves that margarito did

peds make you 20% faster 20% quicker on your feet 20% stronger 20% harder punch, probably even help you take a punch better

if you believe what margarito did was any more severe or dangerous to his opponents than what mosely or holyfield or toney or klitchko did then you are very naive

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taking peds is just as severe as having the plaster in the gloves that margarito did

peds make you 20% faster 20% quicker on your feet 20% stronger 20% harder punch, probably even help you take a punch better

if you believe what margarito did was any more severe or dangerous to his opponents than what mosely or holyfield or toney or klitchko did then you are very naive

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This sounds like the more naive position to me. How come NONE of their opponents came out looking like Billy Collins?! All world champion caliber; contrast with LUIS FREAKIN' RESTO. Washed-up journeyman vs. A solid prospect. Luis Resto + 20% doesn't give you Billy Collins.

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taking peds is just as severe as having the plaster in the gloves that margarito did

peds make you 20% faster 20% quicker on your feet 20% stronger 20% harder punch, probably even help you take a punch better

if you believe what margarito did was any more severe or dangerous to his opponents than what mosely or holyfield or toney or klitchko did then you are very naive

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This sounds like the more naive position to me. How come NONE of their opponents came out looking like Billy Collins?! All world champion caliber; contrast with LUIS FREAKIN' RESTO. Washed-up journeyma vs. A solid prospect. Luis Resto + 20% doesn't give you Billy Collins.

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I love the percentages! Basically they make you train for longer & recover faster. Improving your performance. To think that is as dangerous as having cement in your gloves seems very naive

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Yes well said, I appreciate what your saying VD & thats your opinion. I did fight both amateur & pro. I have a pic of one of my fights as my avatar. I know what your saying, every fighter is different when it comes to getting their hands wrapped. But at the end of the day imo it is the fighters responsiblity & he should be held accountable to some degree. How would Margarito have felt if he had killed Mosley & not known? He has to take some responsiblity. I agree he has served the punishment given him but feel it was not stern enough given the potential consequences

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Oh of course. Margarito getting punished was not something I disagreed with. I believed Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas when they said they didn't know what they took or injected. But at the same time it was one of there team members that did it. So with it being there team they shoulder the responsibilty for it. Capetillo was on Margarito's team. So he was punished. Fine that's not the problem. The problem is he's being called a cheator for something he knew nothing about. Mosley and Vargas never recieved that kind of treatment. Why does Margarito? The man has no criminal record. He doesn't drink or use drugs. He's a married man who has always came into the ring in excellent shape. And even in th ring he's never had a reputation as a dirty fighter. So why is the word of this honest, hard working man doubted?

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I'm not sure on your view of PEDs but what do you think is more severe? Entering the ring after training on PEDs or having plaster in your gloves? Margarito was the one who was going to be throwing punches in the Mosley fight.

If you gave me a gun that I say i didn't know was loaded & I shot someone do you think the jury would take it easy on me? I'm a hard working man!

My feeling is the punishment didn't fit the crime

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They can pull a involuntary manslaughter charge. No way they get a murder charge. But than again the circumstances surrounding the incident would factor in. Anyway on what you asked. I consider PED usage to be cheating. Not to the extent of loaded gloves cuz It doesn't present the present danger at that moment like loaded gloves would. But it's still is cheating. And does provide an unfair advantage.

But that's bedsides the point. Cuz when you look at things, Vargas, Mosley and the rest actually got to cheat. Margarito didn't. You say the punishment doesn't fit the crime. He never committed a crime. Attempting isn't committing. And no I'm not changing my views regarding him knowing or not. I'm just coming from a different angle

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Yes well said, I appreciate what your saying VD & thats your opinion. I did fight both amateur & pro. I have a pic of one of my fights as my avatar. I know what your saying, every fighter is different when it comes to getting their hands wrapped. But at the end of the day imo it is the fighters responsiblity & he should be held accountable to some degree. How would Margarito have felt if he had killed Mosley & not known? He has to take some responsiblity. I agree he has served the punishment given him but feel it was not stern enough given the potential consequences

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Oh of course. Margarito getting punished was not something I disagreed with. I believed Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas when they said they didn't know what they took or injected. But at the same time it was one of there team members that did it. So with it being there team they shoulder the responsibilty for it. Capetillo was on Margarito's team. So he was punished. Fine that's not the problem. The problem is he's being called a cheator for something he knew nothing about. Mosley and Vargas never recieved that kind of treatment. Why does Margarito? The man has no criminal record. He doesn't drink or use drugs. He's a married man who has always came into the ring in excellent shape. And even in th ring he's never had a reputation as a dirty fighter. So why is the word of this honest, hard working man doubted?

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I'm not sure on your view of PEDs but what do you think is more severe? Entering the ring after training on PEDs or having plaster in your gloves? Margarito was the one who was going to be throwing punches in the Mosley fight.

If you gave me a gun that I say i didn't know was loaded & I shot someone do you think the jury would take it easy on me? I'm a hard working man!

My feeling is the punishment didn't fit the crime

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They can pull a involuntary manslaughter charge. No way they get a murder charge. But than again the circumstances surrounding the incident would factor in. Anyway on what you asked. I consider PED usage to be cheating. Not to the extent of loaded gloves cuz It doesn't present the present danger at that moment like loaded gloves would. But it's still is cheating. And does provide an unfair advantage.

But that's bedsides the point. Cuz when you look at things, Vargas, Mosley and the rest actually got to cheat. Margarito didn't. You say the punishment doesn't fit the crime. He never committed a crime. Attempting isn't committing. And no I'm not changing my views regarding him knowing or not. I'm just coming from a different angle

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All good bro, you've got a good point about him not actually cheating. I just think a year was too lenient. But if you take into account the beating Pac gave him then I guess it sort of evens up

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taking peds is just as severe as having the plaster in the gloves that margarito did

peds make you 20% faster 20% quicker on your feet 20% stronger 20% harder punch, probably even help you take a punch better

if you believe what margarito did was any more severe or dangerous to his opponents than what mosely or holyfield or toney or klitchko did then you are very naive

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This sounds like the more naive position to me. How come NONE of their opponents came out looking like Billy Collins?! All world champion caliber; contrast with LUIS FREAKIN' RESTO. Washed-up journeyma vs. A solid prospect. Luis Resto + 20% doesn't give you Billy Collins.

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I love the percentages! Basically they make you train for longer & recover faster. Improving your performance. To think that is as dangerous as having cement in your gloves seems very naive

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the percentages are a pretty good guess, bodybuilders will increase strength by about 20% when on a steriod cycle, sometimes more sometimes less and these are steriods that are bought off somebodies mates mate

imagine in mosleys position, he more than likely has access to better gear :)

the billy collins example is a one off too, how many other examples of that type have there been?

its a naive attitude that the way the roiders are cheating is any more acceptable than the way margarito did

are you defending mosley? was his cheatuing acceptable?

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Yes well said, I appreciate what your saying VD & thats your opinion. I did fight both amateur & pro. I have a pic of one of my fights as my avatar. I know what your saying, every fighter is different when it comes to getting their hands wrapped. But at the end of the day imo it is the fighters responsiblity & he should be held accountable to some degree. How would Margarito have felt if he had killed Mosley & not known? He has to take some responsiblity. I agree he has served the punishment given him but feel it was not stern enough given the potential consequences

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Oh of course. Margarito getting punished was not something I disagreed with. I believed Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas when they said they didn't know what they took or injected. But at the same time it was one of there team members that did it. So with it being there team they shoulder the responsibilty for it. Capetillo was on Margarito's team. So he was punished. Fine that's not the problem. The problem is he's being called a cheator for something he knew nothing about. Mosley and Vargas never recieved that kind of treatment. Why does Margarito? The man has no criminal record. He doesn't drink or use drugs. He's a married man who has always came into the ring in excellent shape. And even in th ring he's never had a reputation as a dirty fighter. So why is the word of this honest, hard working man doubted?

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I'm not sure on your view of PEDs but what do you think is more severe? Entering the ring after training on PEDs or having plaster in your gloves? Margarito was the one who was going to be throwing punches in the Mosley fight.

If you gave me a gun that I say i didn't know was loaded & I shot someone do you think the jury would take it easy on me? I'm a hard working man!

My feeling is the punishment didn't fit the crime

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They can pull a involuntary manslaughter charge. No way they get a murder charge. But than again the circumstances surrounding the incident would factor in. Anyway on what you asked. I consider PED usage to be cheating. Not to the extent of loaded gloves cuz It doesn't present the present danger at that moment like loaded gloves would. But it's still is cheating. And does provide an unfair advantage.

But that's bedsides the point. Cuz when you look at things, Vargas, Mosley and the rest actually got to cheat. Margarito didn't. You say the punishment doesn't fit the crime. He never committed a crime. Attempting isn't committing. And no I'm not changing my views regarding him knowing or not. I'm just coming from a different angle

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It wasn't an "attempt" if he did it against Cintron and Cotto.