Phuck Margacheato!!! I hope Cotto punishes him, and I dont even like cotto...

[Violent Demise]

Yes well said, I appreciate what your saying VD & thats your opinion. I did fight both amateur & pro. I have a pic of one of my fights as my avatar. I know what your saying, every fighter is different when it comes to getting their hands wrapped. But at the end of the day imo it is the fighters responsiblity & he should be held accountable to some degree. How would Margarito have felt if he had killed Mosley & not known? He has to take some responsiblity. I agree he has served the punishment given him but feel it was not stern enough given the potential consequences

Oh of course. Margarito getting punished was not something I disagreed with. I believed Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas when they said they didn't know what they took or injected. But at the same time it was one of there team members that did it. So with it being there team they shoulder the responsibilty for it. Capetillo was on Margarito's team. So he was punished. Fine that's not the problem. The problem is he's being called a cheator for something he knew nothing about. Mosley and Vargas never recieved that kind of treatment. Why does Margarito? The man has no criminal record. He doesn't drink or use drugs. He's a married man who has always came into the ring in excellent shape. And even in th ring he's never had a reputation as a dirty fighter. So why is the word of this honest, hard working man doubted?

[blegit]

Yes well said, I appreciate what your saying VD & thats your opinion. I did fight both amateur & pro. I have a pic of one of my fights as my avatar. I know what your saying, every fighter is different when it comes to getting their hands wrapped. But at the end of the day imo it is the fighters responsiblity & he should be held accountable to some degree. How would Margarito have felt if he had killed Mosley & not known? He has to take some responsiblity. I agree he has served the punishment given him but feel it was not stern enough given the potential consequences

Oh of course. Margarito getting punished was not something I disagreed with. I believed Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas when they said they didn't know what they took or injected. But at the same time it was one of there team members that did it. So with it being there team they shoulder the responsibilty for it. Capetillo was on Margarito's team. So he was punished. Fine that's not the problem. The problem is he's being called a cheator for something he knew nothing about. Mosley and Vargas never recieved that kind of treatment. Why does Margarito? The man has no criminal record. He doesn't drink or use drugs. He's a married man who has always came into the ring in excellent shape. And even in th ring he's never had a reputation as a dirty fighter. So why is the word of this honest, hard working man doubted?

I just realized you've been being sarcastic all this time. I must be getting mentally hampered with old age. You're good VD. Never seen that coming.

[Galaxy]

Yes well said, I appreciate what your saying VD & thats your opinion. I did fight both amateur & pro. I have a pic of one of my fights as my avatar. I know what your saying, every fighter is different when it comes to getting their hands wrapped. But at the end of the day imo it is the fighters responsiblity & he should be held accountable to some degree. How would Margarito have felt if he had killed Mosley & not known? He has to take some responsiblity. I agree he has served the punishment given him but feel it was not stern enough given the potential consequences

Oh of course. Margarito getting punished was not something I disagreed with. I believed Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas when they said they didn't know what they took or injected. But at the same time it was one of there team members that did it. So with it being there team they shoulder the responsibilty for it. Capetillo was on Margarito's team. So he was punished. Fine that's not the problem. The problem is he's being called a cheator for something he knew nothing about. Mosley and Vargas never recieved that kind of treatment. Why does Margarito? The man has no criminal record. He doesn't drink or use drugs. He's a married man who has always came into the ring in excellent shape. And even in th ring he's never had a reputation as a dirty fighter. So why is the word of this honest, hard working man doubted?

I'm not sure on your view of PEDs but what do you think is more severe? Entering the ring after training on PEDs or having plaster in your gloves? Margarito was the one who was going to be throwing punches in the Mosley fight.

If you gave me a gun that I say i didn't know was loaded & I shot someone do you think the jury would take it easy on me? I'm a hard working man!

My feeling is the punishment didn't fit the crime

[erics44]

Yes well said, I appreciate what your saying VD & thats your opinion. I did fight both amateur & pro. I have a pic of one of my fights as my avatar. I know what your saying, every fighter is different when it comes to getting their hands wrapped. But at the end of the day imo it is the fighters responsiblity & he should be held accountable to some degree. How would Margarito have felt if he had killed Mosley & not known? He has to take some responsiblity. I agree he has served the punishment given him but feel it was not stern enough given the potential consequences

Oh of course. Margarito getting punished was not something I disagreed with. I believed Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas when they said they didn't know what they took or injected. But at the same time it was one of there team members that did it. So with it being there team they shoulder the responsibilty for it. Capetillo was on Margarito's team. So he was punished. Fine that's not the problem. The problem is he's being called a cheator for something he knew nothing about. Mosley and Vargas never recieved that kind of treatment. Why does Margarito? The man has no criminal record. He doesn't drink or use drugs. He's a married man who has always came into the ring in excellent shape. And even in th ring he's never had a reputation as a dirty fighter. So why is the word of this honest, hard working man doubted?

I'm not sure on your view of PEDs but what do you think is more severe? Entering the ring after training on PEDs or having plaster in your gloves? Margarito was the one who was going to be throwing punches in the Mosley fight.

If you gave me a gun that I say i didn't know was loaded & I shot someone do you think the jury would take it easy on me? I'm a hard working man!

My feeling is the punishment didn't fit the crime

taking peds is just as severe as having the plaster in the gloves that margarito did

peds make you 20% faster 20% quicker on your feet 20% stronger 20% harder punch, probably even help you take a punch better

if you believe what margarito did was any more severe or dangerous to his opponents than what mosely or holyfield or toney or klitchko did then you are very naive

[LobowolfXXX]

taking peds is just as severe as having the plaster in the gloves that margarito did

peds make you 20% faster 20% quicker on your feet 20% stronger 20% harder punch, probably even help you take a punch better

if you believe what margarito did was any more severe or dangerous to his opponents than what mosely or holyfield or toney or klitchko did then you are very naive

This sounds like the more naive position to me. How come NONE of their opponents came out looking like Billy Collins?! All world champion caliber; contrast with LUIS FREAKIN' RESTO. Washed-up journeyman vs. A solid prospect. Luis Resto + 20% doesn't give you Billy Collins.

[Galaxy]

taking peds is just as severe as having the plaster in the gloves that margarito did

peds make you 20% faster 20% quicker on your feet 20% stronger 20% harder punch, probably even help you take a punch better

if you believe what margarito did was any more severe or dangerous to his opponents than what mosely or holyfield or toney or klitchko did then you are very naive

This sounds like the more naive position to me. How come NONE of their opponents came out looking like Billy Collins?! All world champion caliber; contrast with LUIS FREAKIN' RESTO. Washed-up journeyma vs. A solid prospect. Luis Resto + 20% doesn't give you Billy Collins.

I love the percentages! Basically they make you train for longer & recover faster. Improving your performance. To think that is as dangerous as having cement in your gloves seems very naive

[erics44]

taking peds is just as severe as having the plaster in the gloves that margarito did

peds make you 20% faster 20% quicker on your feet 20% stronger 20% harder punch, probably even help you take a punch better

if you believe what margarito did was any more severe or dangerous to his opponents than what mosely or holyfield or toney or klitchko did then you are very naive

This sounds like the more naive position to me. How come NONE of their opponents came out looking like Billy Collins?! All world champion caliber; contrast with LUIS FREAKIN' RESTO. Washed-up journeyma vs. A solid prospect. Luis Resto + 20% doesn't give you Billy Collins.

I love the percentages! Basically they make you train for longer & recover faster. Improving your performance. To think that is as dangerous as having cement in your gloves seems very naive

the percentages are a pretty good guess, bodybuilders will increase strength by about 20% when on a steriod cycle, sometimes more sometimes less and these are steriods that are bought off somebodies mates mate

imagine in mosleys position, he more than likely has access to better gear

the billy collins example is a one off too, how many other examples of that type have there been?

its a naive attitude that the way the roiders are cheating is any more acceptable than the way margarito did

are you defending mosley? was his cheatuing acceptable?

[Galaxy]

taking peds is just as severe as having the plaster in the gloves that margarito did

peds make you 20% faster 20% quicker on your feet 20% stronger 20% harder punch, probably even help you take a punch better

if you believe what margarito did was any more severe or dangerous to his opponents than what mosely or holyfield or toney or klitchko did then you are very naive

This sounds like the more naive position to me. How come NONE of their opponents came out looking like Billy Collins?! All world champion caliber; contrast with LUIS FREAKIN' RESTO. Washed-up journeyma vs. A solid prospect. Luis Resto + 20% doesn't give you Billy Collins.

I love the percentages! Basically they make you train for longer & recover faster. Improving your performance. To think that is as dangerous as having cement in your gloves seems very naive

the percentages are a pretty good guess, bodybuilders will increase strength by about 20% when on a steriod cycle, sometimes more sometimes less and these are steriods that are bought off somebodies mates mate

imagine in mosleys position, he more than likely has access to better gear

the billy collins example is a one off too, how many other examples of that type have there been?

its a naive attitude that the way the roiders are cheating is any more acceptable than the way margarito did

are you defending mosley? was his cheatuing acceptable?

I'm not defending Mosley & like VD said he only got caught attempting to cheat. But imo using plaster wraps would definitely be more dangerous than using PEDs.

[Violent Demise]

Yes well said, I appreciate what your saying VD & thats your opinion. I did fight both amateur & pro. I have a pic of one of my fights as my avatar. I know what your saying, every fighter is different when it comes to getting their hands wrapped. But at the end of the day imo it is the fighters responsiblity & he should be held accountable to some degree. How would Margarito have felt if he had killed Mosley & not known? He has to take some responsiblity. I agree he has served the punishment given him but feel it was not stern enough given the potential consequences

Oh of course. Margarito getting punished was not something I disagreed with. I believed Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas when they said they didn't know what they took or injected. But at the same time it was one of there team members that did it. So with it being there team they shoulder the responsibilty for it. Capetillo was on Margarito's team. So he was punished. Fine that's not the problem. The problem is he's being called a cheator for something he knew nothing about. Mosley and Vargas never recieved that kind of treatment. Why does Margarito? The man has no criminal record. He doesn't drink or use drugs. He's a married man who has always came into the ring in excellent shape. And even in th ring he's never had a reputation as a dirty fighter. So why is the word of this honest, hard working man doubted?

I'm not sure on your view of PEDs but what do you think is more severe? Entering the ring after training on PEDs or having plaster in your gloves? Margarito was the one who was going to be throwing punches in the Mosley fight.

If you gave me a gun that I say i didn't know was loaded & I shot someone do you think the jury would take it easy on me? I'm a hard working man!

My feeling is the punishment didn't fit the crime

They can pull a involuntary manslaughter charge. No way they get a murder charge. But than again the circumstances surrounding the incident would factor in. Anyway on what you asked. I consider PED usage to be cheating. Not to the extent of loaded gloves cuz It doesn't present the present danger at that moment like loaded gloves would. But it's still is cheating. And does provide an unfair advantage.

But that's bedsides the point. Cuz when you look at things, Vargas, Mosley and the rest actually got to cheat. Margarito didn't. You say the punishment doesn't fit the crime. He never committed a crime. Attempting isn't committing. And no I'm not changing my views regarding him knowing or not. I'm just coming from a different angle

[Galaxy]

Yes well said, I appreciate what your saying VD & thats your opinion. I did fight both amateur & pro. I have a pic of one of my fights as my avatar. I know what your saying, every fighter is different when it comes to getting their hands wrapped. But at the end of the day imo it is the fighters responsiblity & he should be held accountable to some degree. How would Margarito have felt if he had killed Mosley & not known? He has to take some responsiblity. I agree he has served the punishment given him but feel it was not stern enough given the potential consequences

Oh of course. Margarito getting punished was not something I disagreed with. I believed Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas when they said they didn't know what they took or injected. But at the same time it was one of there team members that did it. So with it being there team they shoulder the responsibilty for it. Capetillo was on Margarito's team. So he was punished. Fine that's not the problem. The problem is he's being called a cheator for something he knew nothing about. Mosley and Vargas never recieved that kind of treatment. Why does Margarito? The man has no criminal record. He doesn't drink or use drugs. He's a married man who has always came into the ring in excellent shape. And even in th ring he's never had a reputation as a dirty fighter. So why is the word of this honest, hard working man doubted?

I'm not sure on your view of PEDs but what do you think is more severe? Entering the ring after training on PEDs or having plaster in your gloves? Margarito was the one who was going to be throwing punches in the Mosley fight.

If you gave me a gun that I say i didn't know was loaded & I shot someone do you think the jury would take it easy on me? I'm a hard working man!

My feeling is the punishment didn't fit the crime

They can pull a involuntary manslaughter charge. No way they get a murder charge. But than again the circumstances surrounding the incident would factor in. Anyway on what you asked. I consider PED usage to be cheating. Not to the extent of loaded gloves cuz It doesn't present the present danger at that moment like loaded gloves would. But it's still is cheating. And does provide an unfair advantage.

But that's bedsides the point. Cuz when you look at things, Vargas, Mosley and the rest actually got to cheat. Margarito didn't. You say the punishment doesn't fit the crime. He never committed a crime. Attempting isn't committing. And no I'm not changing my views regarding him knowing or not. I'm just coming from a different angle

All good bro, you've got a good point about him not actually cheating. I just think a year was too lenient. But if you take into account the beating Pac gave him then I guess it sort of evens up

[Rantcatrat]

Yes well said, I appreciate what your saying VD & thats your opinion. I did fight both amateur & pro. I have a pic of one of my fights as my avatar. I know what your saying, every fighter is different when it comes to getting their hands wrapped. But at the end of the day imo it is the fighters responsiblity & he should be held accountable to some degree. How would Margarito have felt if he had killed Mosley & not known? He has to take some responsiblity. I agree he has served the punishment given him but feel it was not stern enough given the potential consequences

Oh of course. Margarito getting punished was not something I disagreed with. I believed Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas when they said they didn't know what they took or injected. But at the same time it was one of there team members that did it. So with it being there team they shoulder the responsibilty for it. Capetillo was on Margarito's team. So he was punished. Fine that's not the problem. The problem is he's being called a cheator for something he knew nothing about. Mosley and Vargas never recieved that kind of treatment. Why does Margarito? The man has no criminal record. He doesn't drink or use drugs. He's a married man who has always came into the ring in excellent shape. And even in th ring he's never had a reputation as a dirty fighter. So why is the word of this honest, hard working man doubted?

I'm not sure on your view of PEDs but what do you think is more severe? Entering the ring after training on PEDs or having plaster in your gloves? Margarito was the one who was going to be throwing punches in the Mosley fight.

If you gave me a gun that I say i didn't know was loaded & I shot someone do you think the jury would take it easy on me? I'm a hard working man!

My feeling is the punishment didn't fit the crime

They can pull a involuntary manslaughter charge. No way they get a murder charge. But than again the circumstances surrounding the incident would factor in. Anyway on what you asked. I consider PED usage to be cheating. Not to the extent of loaded gloves cuz It doesn't present the present danger at that moment like loaded gloves would. But it's still is cheating. And does provide an unfair advantage.

But that's bedsides the point. Cuz when you look at things, Vargas, Mosley and the rest actually got to cheat. Margarito didn't. You say the punishment doesn't fit the crime. He never committed a crime. Attempting isn't committing. And no I'm not changing my views regarding him knowing or not. I'm just coming from a different angle

It wasn't an "attempt" if he did it against Cintron and Cotto.

[erics44]

Yes well said, I appreciate what your saying VD & thats your opinion. I did fight both amateur & pro. I have a pic of one of my fights as my avatar. I know what your saying, every fighter is different when it comes to getting their hands wrapped. But at the end of the day imo it is the fighters responsiblity & he should be held accountable to some degree. How would Margarito have felt if he had killed Mosley & not known? He has to take some responsiblity. I agree he has served the punishment given him but feel it was not stern enough given the potential consequences

Oh of course. Margarito getting punished was not something I disagreed with. I believed Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas when they said they didn't know what they took or injected. But at the same time it was one of there team members that did it. So with it being there team they shoulder the responsibilty for it. Capetillo was on Margarito's team. So he was punished. Fine that's not the problem. The problem is he's being called a cheator for something he knew nothing about. Mosley and Vargas never recieved that kind of treatment. Why does Margarito? The man has no criminal record. He doesn't drink or use drugs. He's a married man who has always came into the ring in excellent shape. And even in th ring he's never had a reputation as a dirty fighter. So why is the word of this honest, hard working man doubted?

I'm not sure on your view of PEDs but what do you think is more severe? Entering the ring after training on PEDs or having plaster in your gloves? Margarito was the one who was going to be throwing punches in the Mosley fight.

If you gave me a gun that I say i didn't know was loaded & I shot someone do you think the jury would take it easy on me? I'm a hard working man!

My feeling is the punishment didn't fit the crime

They can pull a involuntary manslaughter charge. No way they get a murder charge. But than again the circumstances surrounding the incident would factor in. Anyway on what you asked. I consider PED usage to be cheating. Not to the extent of loaded gloves cuz It doesn't present the present danger at that moment like loaded gloves would. But it's still is cheating. And does provide an unfair advantage.

But that's bedsides the point. Cuz when you look at things, Vargas, Mosley and the rest actually got to cheat. Margarito didn't. You say the punishment doesn't fit the crime. He never committed a crime. Attempting isn't committing. And no I'm not changing my views regarding him knowing or not. I'm just coming from a different angle

this makes absolutely no sense what so ever, id go as far to say it is utter bollox, sorry man

dont kid yourself, matgarito is a cheat yes but so is mosley on the same level

[Truth]

Mosley, Jones, Vitali Klitschko, Toney - all cheaters in my book and they shouldn't be inducted into the HOF. Margarito's sin was much worse than the rest of the lot IMO, he should have never been able to box again. I don't believe for a second that any of these guys didn't know what they were taking/putting in their gloves

[Mr140]

Well as far as steriods i mean its cheating only if you get caught using them in my book. I mean the only thing to me that can tarnish you for using them is if you get caught with them.

[erics44]

Well as far as steriods i mean its cheating only if you get caught using them in my book. I mean the only thing to me that can tarnish you for using them is if you get caught with them.

this opinion sums up how backward the hate for margarito is