Can't Believe It! Everyone sez Marquez Won & I Believed, Shame on Me!

Pacquiao starts training in April
Manila Bulletin Online
By Nick Giongco

SAN FRANCISCO — Manny Pacquiao plans to report back for training at the Wild Card Boxing Club in Hollywood in the last week of April in preparation for a June 28 fight being lined up by Top Rank.


Pacquiao told the Bulletin on Friday that he is looking forward to returning to action after his razor-thin split decision win over Juan Manuel Marquez last week in Las Vegas after he takes care of the backlog in his studies at Notre Dame in General Santos City.

The 29-year-old Pacquiao is enrolled there taking up management.
"I have to attend to my studies first then head back to the Wild Card," said Pacquiao, who now holds the World Boxing Council (WBC) super-featherweight crown after his win over Marquez.

Pacquiao left behind two months worth of studies when he started training for Marquez in mid-January.

Although Top Rank has already penciled a date for Pacquiao, the choice of opponent is still up in the air according to the boxer even if Bob Arum, the man who calls the shots for the Las Vegas-based promotional outfit, has spoken about Pacquiao facing WBC lightweight king David Diaz at Mandalay Bay.

"Everything is still under negotiations," said Pacquiao, who leaves for Manila on Saturday night. A victory parade awaits him when he sets foot in the Philippines on Monday morning.

As this developed, Pacquiao had the stitches on his right eyebrow removed also on Friday, almost a week after Marquez opened that ghastly wound with a right straight in the eighth round of their 12-round brawl.

Pacquiao had to wear dark glasses to hid the hideous wound when he faced the media during the post-fight press conference and he wore that in the days that followed.

"I am doing fine now, my eye is no longer closed," said Pacquiao from his apartment unit at The Palazzo in trendy La Brea area.
For the Marquez bout, Pacquiao trained for eight solid weeks and he is keen in doing the same in his next fight regardless of who the opponent will be.

After the June bout, Pacquiao plans to see action one more time in November ( Manny Pacquiao - Oscar De La Hoya In November? ).

Pacquiao will be joined in the trip back to the Philippines by wife Jinkee and close family members as well as two of his trainers and friends and supporters.



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WTF?:confused: Pacquiao-ODLH in November? I smell bullsh1t.

I actually just watched Pacquiao vs Marquez (their first fight) three times within the week and the first time I watched it, I had it a draw, the second time, I had Marquez eeking out a split decision, and the last time I watched it, I had Pacquiao barely surviving. I don't know if there is something wrong with me or if the fight was that hard to choose!

Pacquiao vs Marquez II is about to be re-broadcasted on HBO so i'll post my scorecard of that fight as soon as the whole boxing evening ends (Katsidis vs Casamayor too!). On the night of the fight, I had Pacquiao winning 114-113.

Hope everyone is tuning in to Kats vs Casa! Hopefully will be a good one!

115-112 Marquez, i must be a.......nevermind. Pac looked uncomfortable with Marquez and had no answer to his right hand, aside from the the 3rd round it was a solid performance from Marquez. Put it this way i don't think it was a robbery and it was a close fight, i just gave those close rounds to Marquez.
No bias from me here as i selected Pacquaio by KO 9 pre fight! I don't think Pacquaio wants to fight him again, he may be forced to.

I just watched the fight for the first time and I thought Pac took it by a few rounds. The knock down was just gravy. I thought his aggression in the early rounds, solid connects and ability to block a lot of Marquez's punches through out the fight won him the fight. I'm a fan of both fighters equally. This is just the way I saw it.

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Pac won. He has KDd JMM 5 times already, and hurt him countless of times. :cool:

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4 times not 5.

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I think he's adding the incident where JMM in trouble and holding on the rope. Just like Pac knocked down Barrera but ref Lawrence Cole called it a slip.

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Well thats stupid because ref did not call it a knockdown, and i didn't think it was a knockdown anyway. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks the ref's decision is final and officially its 4 knockdowns end of.

I've just read this thread and Pacfan... thank you for your honesty. I scored it 114-113 for PAcquaio. Same score with ICB except the 11th round. I gave it to PAcquaio.

Definitely, there was no robbery nor gift decision in this fight. PAcquaio deserved the win, IMO.

The fight should have been a draw again, after rewatching the fight, my biggest issue is the sixth round where 2 judges give what should have been Marquez' round to Pacquiao. One of those judges is the replacement judge that was like a week before the fight, and that judge scored it 1 point win for Manny....thnigs that make you go hmmm. Another thing is it looked like in the 12th they left that string thing in Marquez' eye just covered it with vaseline? The reason I say this is the huge hole in his eye looked like it wasn't as red when he came out for the 12th.

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4 times not 5.

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I think he's adding the incident where JMM in trouble and holding on the rope. Just like Pac knocked down Barrera but ref Lawrence Cole called it a slip.

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Well thats stupid because ref did not call it a knockdown, and i didn't think it was a knockdown anyway. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks the ref's decision is final and officially its 4 knockdowns end of.

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...Just like the ring officials judged the fight an overall win for Pac. The decision is final. :)

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I think he's adding the incident where JMM in trouble and holding on the rope. Just like Pac knocked down Barrera but ref Lawrence Cole called it a slip.

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Well thats stupid because ref did not call it a knockdown, and i didn't think it was a knockdown anyway. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks the ref's decision is final and officially its 4 knockdowns end of.

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...Just like the ring officials judged the fight an overall win for Pac. The decision is final. :)

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Nice counter punch in there.;D That must be a KO punch!!!
Straight left, eh?

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4 times not 5.

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I think he's adding the incident where JMM in trouble and holding on the rope. Just like Pac knocked down Barrera but ref Lawrence Cole called it a slip.

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Well thats stupid because ref did not call it a knockdown, and i didn't think it was a knockdown anyway. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks the ref's decision is final and officially its 4 knockdowns end of.

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come on ICB. you are better than that. so if you're saying this, then you're also saying that MAB didnt score a KD against jmm coz the ref didnt call it?

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Well thats stupid because ref did not call it a knockdown, and i didn't think it was a knockdown anyway. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks the ref's decision is final and officially its 4 knockdowns end of.

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...Just like the ring officials judged the fight an overall win for Pac. The decision is final. :)

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Nice counter punch in there.;D That must be a KO punch!!!
Straight left, eh?

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Ok fellow pac-fools, don't be fooled by those usual anti-pacs - stand your grounds, cuz when I say so, it is so - you can count on my words. I may have missed my prediction of the 4th round KO, but you all know that was very possible as many analysts sez pac could've finished him off in the 4th cuz Marquez looked very bad there. Before that I said that though it could go either way, Vasquez will win because of his heart although Rafael is the better boxer overall - that's exactly what happened. And few days back I said slick Casamayor would expose boxers like Katsidis who rely mostly on their power.

Besides, did you notice how many guys who rooted for Marquez gave him just one point lead? If you take out their bias points, you know what that means heh. And surprisingly I even heard some of them actually had pac winning, but I haven't heard any pac-fools here so far saying pac lost. With Manny Steward saying Marquez needing a KO at the end to win and Marquez acting as if he heard what Steward said and following his advice on the 12th but failing to KO pac just simply means he knew he was behind - you all saw the desperation of Marquez on the 12th, right? just exactly as what Steward said he needed to do to win. So kabayans, say with confidence that pac won, fairly and squarely. Just don't listen to the sourgrapers who's trying to brainwash some fools that they won. And worse, don't listen to kabayan armchair boxing Xperts who shamelessly proclaim to the whole world pac lost. Shame on them -they should be sent into exile.;D:);)

By the way Bruce, thanks, I owe you one - I've got some spreadings to do.

well marquez did win, just didn't get the decision he deserved

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...Just like the ring officials judged the fight an overall win for Pac. The decision is final. :)

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Nice counter punch in there.;D That must be a KO punch!!!
Straight left, eh?

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Ok fellow pac-fools, don't be fooled by those usual anti-pacs - stand your grounds, cuz when I say so, it is so - you can count on my words. I may have missed my prediction of the 4th round KO, but you all know that was very possible as many analysts sez pac could've finished him off in the 4th cuz Marquez looked very bad there. Before that I said that though it could go either way, Vasquez will win because of his heart although Rafael is the better boxer overall - that's exactly what happened. And few days back I said slick Casamayor would expose boxers like Katsidis who rely mostly on their power.

Besides, did you notice how many guys who rooted for Marquez gave him just one point lead? If you take out their bias points, you know what that means heh. And surprisingly I even heard some of them actually had pac winning, but I haven't heard any pac-fools here so far saying pac lost. With Manny Steward saying Marquez needing a KO at the end to win and Marquez acting as if he heard what Steward said and following his advice on the 12th but failing to KO pac just simply means he knew he was behind - you all saw the desperation of Marquez on the 12th, right? just exactly as what Steward said he needed to do to win. So kabayans, say with confidence that pac won, fairly and squarely. Just don't listen to the sourgrapers who's trying to brainwash some fools that they won. And worse, don't listen to kabayan armchair boxing Xperts who shamelessly proclaim to the whole world pac lost. Shame on them -they should be sent into exile.;D:);)

By the way Bruce, thanks, I owe you one - I've got some spreadings to do.

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That's how to do it Pacfan. Don't worry.I know how to score a fight. Pacquaio won that fight by a point and that's how it will be.

I'm satisfied with how Marquez fought but the better fighter won.

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I think he's adding the incident where JMM in trouble and holding on the rope. Just like Pac knocked down Barrera but ref Lawrence Cole called it a slip.

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Well thats stupid because ref did not call it a knockdown, and i didn't think it was a knockdown anyway. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks the ref's decision is final and officially its 4 knockdowns end of.

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...Just like the ring officials judged the fight an overall win for Pac. The decision is final. :)

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When did i ever say it wasn't ?? but that doesn't mean people can't debate over the decision.

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I think he's adding the incident where JMM in trouble and holding on the rope. Just like Pac knocked down Barrera but ref Lawrence Cole called it a slip.

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Well thats stupid because ref did not call it a knockdown, and i didn't think it was a knockdown anyway. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks the ref's decision is final and officially its 4 knockdowns end of.

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come on ICB. you are better than that. so if you're saying this, then you're also saying that MAB didnt score a KD against jmm coz the ref didnt call it?

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As i recall Barrera hit Marquez with a clean counter right and both of Marquez's gloves touched the canvas. Marquez was hit by Pacquiao but didn't go down, and he wasn't on his way down even if he wouldn't of held onto the ropes. Unless im wrong don't the rules state that its only called a knockdown if your on your way down to the canvas and you hold the ropes to stop yourself from going down. As i recall that did not happen in Marquez vs Pacquiao 2. But i will watch it again because i could be wrong.