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Exactly. He did what he was there to do. So things worked out well and it has given Pac the false belief that hes got what it takes to mix with the top fighters .Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
Well Diaz did a great job then; he made Pac shine:DQuote:
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
I agree. Diaz was there to make Pac look good. Its like when Floyd fought Gatti .
False Belief:o Barrerax2Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEExactly. He did what he was there to do. So things worked out well and it has given Pac the false belief that hes got what it takes to mix with the top fighters .Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGIONWell Diaz did a great job then; he made Pac shine:DQuote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Moralesx2
Marquezx1
Ok David Diaz aint a top tier but he did kayo Santa Cruz who'm we all know got robbed vs Casamayor. The same David Diaz who was bludgeoned last night.:rolleyes:
The PPV was worth it for PACFANS just like what was said, if PBF fought a lesser opponent. I'm not getting into the PBF vs PAC debate, as far as I know PACMAN is the better person out of the ring and that is what matters to us PACQUIAO fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockYes because I am a die hard Floyd fan so I feel obligated to do so and yeas I would complain about it;DQuote:
Originally Posted by KKisserso you would pay $49.95 to watch pbf fight someone like a david diaz?Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
This was no different than Gatti vs Mayweather although they were both dominant Floyd put it on him more than Diaz got... but none the less gatti vs Mayweather wasnt a $49.95 fight if memory serves me correct. and it was the same danger level.. most said mayweather couldnt handle gatti's strength and power, and gatti couldnt get a glove on him and was eating 5-7 punch combos with regularity
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Originally Posted by PavlikFalse Belief:o Barrerax2Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEExactly. He did what he was there to do. So things worked out well and it has given Pac the false belief that hes got what it takes to mix with the top fighters .Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
Moralesx2
Marquezx1
Ok David Diaz aint a top tier but he did kayo Santa Cruz who'm we all know got robbed vs Casamayor. The same David Diaz who was bludgeoned last night.:rolleyes:
Okay so youre saying that beating washed up Mexicans and a "never was " in Diaz makes you a clear favourite against the top lightwelter ? Youre dreaming !
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Originally Posted by TonyBhoy
if Pacquaio clean up 135lbs then moves up to 140 and beat Hatton he would not only be a 5 weight LINIAR world champion his resume would dwarf Mayweathers.
So Barrera was washed up when PAC destroyed him in 2003? As far as I can remember MAB was just being celebrated as a pound for pound elite because he just demolished NAZ.Quote:
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Originally Posted by PavlikFalse Belief:o Barrerax2Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Moralesx2
Marquezx1
Ok David Diaz aint a top tier but he did kayo Santa Cruz who'm we all know got robbed vs Casamayor. The same David Diaz who was bludgeoned last night.:rolleyes:
Okay so youre saying that beating washed up Mexicans and a "never was " in Diaz makes you a clear favourite against the top lightwelter ? Youre dreaming !
Nobody wanted to fight the then AVOIDED JUAN, PAC stepped up and fought him, that both MAB and EM did not do.
EM did beat PAC but PAC avenged that via Back to back kayoes that nobody has done to EM not Raheem, not MAB and not David Diaz.
I'll ask you this one if PACMAN knocks out Marquez in their trilogy would you consider Marquez washed up then?
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Originally Posted by PavlikSo Barrera was washed up when PAC destroyed him in 2003? As far as I can remember MAB was just being celebrated as a pound for pound elite because he just demolished NAZ.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Pavlik
Okay so youre saying that beating washed up Mexicans and a "never was " in Diaz makes you a clear favourite against the top lightwelter ? Youre dreaming !
Nobody wanted to fight the then AVOIDED JUAN, PAC stepped up and fought him, that both MAB and EM did not do.
EM did beat PAC but PAC avenged that via Back to back kayoes that nobody has done to EM not Raheem, not MAB and not David Diaz.
I'll ask you this one if PACMAN knocks out Marquez in their trilogy would you consider Marquez washed up then?
Yeah cuz Marquez will be 35 when the fight happens. a decade ago at 25 Marquez would own him . I think Marquez won the 1st two fights anyway but as I already said, Pac would be odds on vs Marquez in the 3rd fight cuz hed be too old and pacs still fresh
So Nov 03 is Pacs last good win over a fighter who wasnt washed up ? Barrera was his worst ever that night and even did better when he was 34 coming off a loss in the rematch.
All we ask for is that Pac fights someone with a pulse . Someone who is young and hungry with a career infront of them not behind them . Thats all . Is it too much to ask off someone who claims to be the best . BTW beating Diaz does not make him the best lightweight. Diaz was barely top 5.
I read somewhere Arum said PAC might fight Valero in November, that's something good right:)Quote:
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Originally Posted by PavlikSo Barrera was washed up when PAC destroyed him in 2003? As far as I can remember MAB was just being celebrated as a pound for pound elite because he just demolished NAZ.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Nobody wanted to fight the then AVOIDED JUAN, PAC stepped up and fought him, that both MAB and EM did not do.
EM did beat PAC but PAC avenged that via Back to back kayoes that nobody has done to EM not Raheem, not MAB and not David Diaz.
I'll ask you this one if PACMAN knocks out Marquez in their trilogy would you consider Marquez washed up then?
Yeah cuz Marquez will be 35 when the fight happens. a decade ago at 25 Marquez would own him . I think Marquez won the 1st two fights anyway but as I already said, Pac would be odds on vs Marquez in the 3rd fight cuz hed be too old and pacs still fresh
So Nov 03 is Pacs last good win over a fighter who wasnt washed up ? Barrera was his worst ever that night and even did better when he was 34 coming off a loss in the rematch.
All we ask for is that Pac fights someone with a pulse . Someone who is young and hungry with a career infront of them not behind them . Thats all . Is it too much to ask off someone who claims to be the best . BTW beating Diaz does not make him the best lightweight. Diaz was barely top 5.
Game how did D. Diaz get robbed?
Well maybe his occupation, pride, and a quart of blood...
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Originally Posted by PavlikI read somewhere Arum said PAC might fight Valero in November, that's something good right:)Quote:
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Originally Posted by Pavlik
Yeah cuz Marquez will be 35 when the fight happens. a decade ago at 25 Marquez would own him . I think Marquez won the 1st two fights anyway but as I already said, Pac would be odds on vs Marquez in the 3rd fight cuz hed be too old and pacs still fresh
So Nov 03 is Pacs last good win over a fighter who wasnt washed up ? Barrera was his worst ever that night and even did better when he was 34 coming off a loss in the rematch.
All we ask for is that Pac fights someone with a pulse . Someone who is young and hungry with a career infront of them not behind them . Thats all . Is it too much to ask off someone who claims to be the best . BTW beating Diaz does not make him the best lightweight. Diaz was barely top 5.
Its better than Diaz but I can think of alot of better fighters Pac should be fighting
Honestly JMM and Guzman are the greatest threats. Who else comes to mind in the 135lb division.Quote:
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Originally Posted by PavlikI read somewhere Arum said PAC might fight Valero in November, that's something good right:)Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Its better than Diaz but I can think of alot of better fighters Pac should be fighting
Campbell , Juan Diaz , Casamayor, Raheem etc .Quote:
Originally Posted by PavlikHonestly JMM and Guzman are the greatest threats. Who else comes to mind in the 135lb division.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Pavlik
Its better than Diaz but I can think of alot of better fighters Pac should be fighting
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
I agree with you 100%
I wasn't able to order the fight because I am 50 bucks overdue and it kept rejecting my order. Still, I was ordering because I thought Pac might get sent back down in weight not because he is a joy to watch.
I thought Marquez beat him the second time. (and the first time)
hahaha. why is game so anti-pac? :-X
After every Pacquaio fight this is what usually happens. I've learned to adjust to these Pac-haters.:cool:
After Mayweather's retirement, Pac is p4p#1. FACT.
He won over Marquez, with a knockdown....FACT.
He castigated Morales into retirement. FACT.
He dominated Barrera after Barrera won over Naz. FACT.
He battered DIAZ, the title holder of the WBC lightweight belt. FACT.
Pac hasn't ducked anyone. FACT.
Guzman is complaining coz he wasn't given chance to fight Pac. Was that Pac's fault? Was it the fault of Pac that Joan was still a nobody during that time compared to Morales, Barrera and MArquez and therefore, it would not be that challenging and lucrative to fight him?
Let's appeal to FACTS not on emotions and what you think Guys!
Argumentum ad Misericordiam is not a valid argument in boxing!
I can't tell you how many times That the purchase of a PPV is based on the undercard for myself.It was actually a solid undercard with Santiago/Luevano and Soto/Lorenzo.The exposure of the Giant boxing Bear fields also helped ;D.Ecspecially in a main event that was thought to be,and proved to be one sided going in.Also knowing that these days HBO will be reairing it in it's entirety the following week.Pac has managed to cross over in tremendous fashion to the Masses but still has a little ways to go in marketability Imo.I'd like to see him unify The title as opposed to predictably what is so popular.....jumping divisions for name fights.....Hatton is so very tempting.