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I think it's time PAC gives Soto, Guzman and Valero a shot , the same way Barrera gave him the opportunity back in 03. In all Honesty when Valero came he was being branded as the PAC slayer, and then from that day on I was wishing of PAC stopping this guy. I consider that as PAC's greatest achievement if it happens.
Really? I was high on Valero for a minute, but he is the true definition of a one-trick pony, I would say with all the things that Pac has accomplished in his career, Valero would actually rank pretty low, because what you are saying is that he is a better fighter (bigger challenge) than MAB, Morales and JMM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
I mean Valero's record really looks good on paper and will look good on PAC's resume;DQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepReally? I was high on Valero for a minute, but he is the true definition of a one-trick pony, I would say with all the things that Pac has accomplished in his career, Valero would actually rank pretty low, because what you are saying is that he is a better fighter (bigger challenge) than MAB, Morales and JMM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
The kid is undefeated, young , most probably a world record holder for most consecutive first round kayos:D
Guzman is who i prefer the most. i don't think soto deserves a shot before guzman cause guzman has a win over him. plus some people think guzman can beat pac so i want to see them proven wrong once again. I think Soto would look a like like how the Diaz fight went, pac will crush him.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepUnless Valero takes out Manny in the first round, it's gonna be a one sided slaughter and Edwin knows that. I would prefer Soto at this stage or even Guzman if something happens to his date with Campbell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Raineither soto or valero but valero seem to quite down when pac finally notices him ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by lance Uppercut
The casa jmm fight is another interesting match, i'd love to see the winner face pac as well. So for now my list goes like this of fights i want for pac in order.
Guzman/ but he does have a match with campbell.
Casa/JMM
Hatton/ also has a fight scheduled already with paulie.
(I do not think the oscar fight will take place any more.)
See either way pac has nobody to fight but valero but that seem to have been distracted by the oscar talks.
All in all I agree with previous.Pac vs.Guzman,Campbell would be top notch.If not for Lorenzo pulling a Luis Santana and Cortez lousing up the Title eliminator,Humberto Soto Vs. Manny would be coming up,Solid fight there.Imo....Pac would exploit Valereo's defensive flaws and really do a number on him.
Solis was a young undefeated figher minus the hyped. I think its pretty clear now that valero would get smash by pac. That fight has lost interest already. I agree with killersheep valero is the lowest rank since solis in pacs resume after he smashes him.Quote:
Originally Posted by PavlikI mean Valero's record really looks good on paper and will look good on PAC's resume;DQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepReally? I was high on Valero for a minute, but he is the true definition of a one-trick pony, I would say with all the things that Pac has accomplished in his career, Valero would actually rank pretty low, because what you are saying is that he is a better fighter (bigger challenge) than MAB, Morales and JMM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
The kid is undefeated, young , most probably a world record holder for most consecutive first round kayos:D
JMM
EM
MAB
Clearly all greater fighters.
Diaz
Larios
Legit former champions and has fought greater oppenents then valero has ever seen.
Solis and Valero would be the two weakest oppenent pac has had since lucero. Another young undefeated fighter pac knock out in 3 rounds.
Pacs resume is second to noun, his weakest oppenents has been young undefeated fighter. So you can not say he does not give chances to the up and comers.
I agree:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainSolis was a young undefeated figher minus the hyped. I think its pretty clear now that valero would get smash by pac. That fight has lost interest already. I agree with killersheep valero is the lowest rank since solis in pacs resume after he smashes him.Quote:
Originally Posted by PavlikI mean Valero's record really looks good on paper and will look good on PAC's resume;DQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
The kid is undefeated, young , most probably a world record holder for most consecutive first round kayos:D
JMM
EM
MAB
Clearly all greater fighters.
Diaz
Larios
Legit former champions and has fought greater oppenents then valero has ever seen.
Solis and Valero would be the two weakest oppenent pac has had since lucero. Another young undefeated fighter pac knock out in 3 rounds.
Pacs resume is second to noun, his weakest oppenents has been young undefeated fighter. So you can not say he does not give chances to the up and comers.
not anymore bro > Tyrone Brunson ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by PavlikI mean Valero's record really looks good on paper and will look good on PAC's resume;DQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepReally? I was high on Valero for a minute, but he is the true definition of a one-trick pony, I would say with all the things that Pac has accomplished in his career, Valero would actually rank pretty low, because what you are saying is that he is a better fighter (bigger challenge) than MAB, Morales and JMM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
The kid is undefeated, young , most probably a world record holder for most consecutive first round kayos:D
Yup, he did beat Valero's record;DQuote:
Originally Posted by PanchoVillanot anymore bro > Tyrone Brunson ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by PavlikI mean Valero's record really looks good on paper and will look good on PAC's resume;DQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
The kid is undefeated, young , most probably a world record holder for most consecutive first round kayos:D
Brilliant.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepThe older one. easily, noone draws more than the Golden Boy period.Quote:
Originally Posted by canary
Here look at this by CD sales
Oscar de la Hoya - self titled = Amazon rank # 36,171
Manny Pacquiao - Laban Nating Lahat Ito Amazon rank # 441,244
nobody actually likes hearing either one of them sing, but that just shows who is more popular. :)
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yes that would be much better than fighting OscarQuote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
Greed has it's hallucinogenic effect on people, can't believe PAC's handlers allowing this to happen:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott22yes that would be much better than fighting OscarQuote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
If the negotiations will finally fail primarily due to Oscar taking most of the money (70-30 split, TV rights, etc).
Another reason will be that fans/boxing people not giving PAC (with all his capabilities) any chance of defeating Oscar. They see it as a total freak show.
your right it is greed and money messing up there thinkingQuote:
Originally Posted by PavlikGreed has it's hallucinogenic effect on people, can't believe PAC's handlers allowing this to happen:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott22yes that would be much better than fighting OscarQuote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
You can associate "greed and money" on Oscar but not on Pacquiao. Do you think money is the prime motivating factor why Pacquiao is calling out and challenging Oscar? I don't think so coz a win over Oscar will elevate Pacquiao's boxing legacy in an all time high.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott22your right it is greed and money messing up there thinkingQuote:
Originally Posted by PavlikGreed has it's hallucinogenic effect on people, can't believe PAC's handlers allowing this to happen:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott22
Defeating Oscar (tho a very difficult task for PAC) would give PAC more leverage in taking remaining bigger fights ahead.