Bernard Hopkins

Why would Bernard Hopkins be in better shape for Kelly Pavlik ? i think thats ridiculous to be honest. Joe Calzaghe vs Bernard Hopkins was a bigger fight than Kelly Pavlik vs Bernard Hopkins, and it was one of Bernard Hopkins biggest fights of his life.

Why would Bernard Hopkins not come in at nothing less than his best shape ? considering in every fight he has ever fought he has always been in 100 percent condition. The only fight which i can remember that Bernard Hopkins didn't come in at 100 percent.

Was his first fight with Segundo Mercado when he didn't get acclimated, to the high altitude in Ecuador of 10'000 feet.

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Originally Posted by intoccabile

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by intoccabile

Don't be an idiot. Did you not read what I said?
I didn't say Pavlik made bhop look better thus hopkins wasnt 100% versus Calzaghe.
I said Hopkins worked much harder last night then against Calzaghe without getting tired,
so it can be argued that his Cardio was better last night than in the calzaghe fight.
Meaning he wasn't as prepared.

Hopkins MADE Calzaghe look that bad, get over it. He looked like an amateur because of hopkins style. By "your" logic, and Calzaghe not being 100% for not looking as stellar versus previous opponents - you'd STILL be wrong.

Because NO ONE has ever looked good against bhop, who's had a longer career, so Cal fits right in.

Anyway - I'll repeat.
Hopkins Did more moving, Threw more punching, Clinched less (had less breaks).
Meaning he fought a much more active fight and actually did it for 12 rounds last night.

Against Calzaghe Hopkins didn't Throw as man, CLINCHED ALOT (rest), Didn't move as much, And even took breaks on low blows, more rest. But Was TIRED after the 7th round.

Do you see the point I'm trying to make yet? Hopkins, cardio-wise, was a superior fighter last night than against Calzaghe.. which hints he was probably not as prepared. Had he fought calzaghe with the gas tank he had last night, it would have been a more active fight.

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Hopkins was in better shape for Pavlik than when he fought Calzaghe?

That explains why he totally outclassed and controlled a limited slow guy that didn't have the ability to hit him.. yet couldn't stay with a guy that constantly pressured him, throwing a million punches from all over the place.

Yeah.. I get ya. That makes perfect sense.

:rolleyes:

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You really are an idiot, aren't you?
Calzaghe threw a zillion slaps and hardly any landed. Hopkins offense wasn't as active against Calzaghe, he didn't move as much as he did last night, he had more rests inside the clinch with calzaghe, and he even had time inbetween low blow counts to take a rest.

Last night he was more offensive, he moved more, he clinched less meaning he had less breaks and there were no time outs for low blows.

He did this for 12 rounds last night. for 12 rounds he exherted more energy than he did in the calzaghe fight, but was tired in 7 against calzaghe. What don't you understand?
Can someone with a brain reply to me please? I'm done.

Here.. i'll make this easy for you.
I JOG tomorrow and can only do a mile.
then RUN next week and can do 2 miles.

When was I in better shape?

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No, you're right mate, Hopkins LOST to Calzaghe because he wasn't in shape. Thrashing the limited Pavlik clearly proves this.

Thanks.. i get it now.

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by intoccabile

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by intoccabile

Don't be an idiot. Did you not read what I said?
I didn't say Pavlik made bhop look better thus hopkins wasnt 100% versus Calzaghe.
I said Hopkins worked much harder last night then against Calzaghe without getting tired,
so it can be argued that his Cardio was better last night than in the calzaghe fight.
Meaning he wasn't as prepared.

Hopkins MADE Calzaghe look that bad, get over it. He looked like an amateur because of hopkins style. By "your" logic, and Calzaghe not being 100% for not looking as stellar versus previous opponents - you'd STILL be wrong.

Because NO ONE has ever looked good against bhop, who's had a longer career, so Cal fits right in.

Anyway - I'll repeat.
Hopkins Did more moving, Threw more punching, Clinched less (had less breaks).
Meaning he fought a much more active fight and actually did it for 12 rounds last night.

Against Calzaghe Hopkins didn't Throw as man, CLINCHED ALOT (rest), Didn't move as much, And even took breaks on low blows, more rest. But Was TIRED after the 7th round.

Do you see the point I'm trying to make yet? Hopkins, cardio-wise, was a superior fighter last night than against Calzaghe.. which hints he was probably not as prepared. Had he fought calzaghe with the gas tank he had last night, it would have been a more active fight.

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Hopkins was in better shape for Pavlik than when he fought Calzaghe?

That explains why he totally outclassed and controlled a limited slow guy that didn't have the ability to hit him.. yet couldn't stay with a guy that constantly pressured him, throwing a million punches from all over the place.

Yeah.. I get ya. That makes perfect sense.

:rolleyes:

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You really are an idiot, aren't you?
Calzaghe threw a zillion slaps and hardly any landed. Hopkins offense wasn't as active against Calzaghe, he didn't move as much as he did last night, he had more rests inside the clinch with calzaghe, and he even had time inbetween low blow counts to take a rest.

Last night he was more offensive, he moved more, he clinched less meaning he had less breaks and there were no time outs for low blows.

He did this for 12 rounds last night. for 12 rounds he exherted more energy than he did in the calzaghe fight, but was tired in 7 against calzaghe. What don't you understand?
Can someone with a brain reply to me please? I'm done.

Here.. i'll make this easy for you.
I JOG tomorrow and can only do a mile.
then RUN next week and can do 2 miles.

When was I in better shape?

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Mate your views are wasted on here if you have something negative to say about Calzaghe this is a bit of a Calzaghe fan club site LOL;D i personally hate the guy and regarding your comments about Hopkins i totally agree.

There can be a multitude of reasons. You can train the same for every fight but the body won't always recuperate the same speed or be in the same condition. I didn't say bhop trained less for Calzaghe than he did kelly, I'm just saying it's pretty obvious his body was in much better condition.

It's also very possible he kept himself in better shape before training camp than he did before the Calzaghe training camp. But it's obvious he was in better shape. He fought at a much higher pace without getting tired, thats a fact.

But against calzaghe he fought at a very slow pace, had a ton of breaks, but still managed to get tired. This isn't rocket science.. all we're doing is putting facts together guys.

I agree its absurd to suggest Hopkins didn't take the fight with Calzaghe as serious as the fight with Pavlik.

i think it just came down to Pavlik still being inexperienced and raw relatively speaking whilst Calzaghe is as seasoned and experienced as they come.

I guess you could make an argument that having Naseem Richardson back in his corner and organising a gameplan was a big help to Hopkins but even then at 43 I really don't think a trainer can a win or lose a fight for Bernard.

Calzaghe simply coped better with Hopkins style than Kelly did.

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Originally Posted by intoccabile

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Hopkins was in better shape for Pavlik than when he fought Calzaghe?

That explains why he totally outclassed and controlled a limited slow guy that didn't have the ability to hit him.. yet couldn't stay with a guy that constantly pressured him, throwing a million punches from all over the place.

Yeah.. I get ya. That makes perfect sense.

:rolleyes:

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You really are an idiot, aren't you?
Calzaghe threw a zillion slaps and hardly any landed. Hopkins offense wasn't as active against Calzaghe, he didn't move as much as he did last night, he had more rests inside the clinch with calzaghe, and he even had time inbetween low blow counts to take a rest.

Last night he was more offensive, he moved more, he clinched less meaning he had less breaks and there were no time outs for low blows.

He did this for 12 rounds last night. for 12 rounds he exherted more energy than he did in the calzaghe fight, but was tired in 7 against calzaghe. What don't you understand?
Can someone with a brain reply to me please? I'm done.

Here.. i'll make this easy for you.
I JOG tomorrow and can only do a mile.
then RUN next week and can do 2 miles.

When was I in better shape?

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Mate your views are wasted on here if you have something negative to say about Calzaghe this is a bit of a Calzaghe fan club site LOL;D i personally hate the guy and regarding your comments about Hopkins i totally agree.

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Yeah bro, I see that now. Jesus. Some people are just set on their ways I guess.

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Originally Posted by intoccabile

There can be a multitude of reasons. You can train the same for every fight but the body won't always recuperate the same speed or be in the same condition. I didn't say bhop trained less for Calzaghe than he did kelly, I'm just saying it's pretty obvious his body was in much better condition.

It's also very possible he kept himself in better shape before training camp than he did before the Calzaghe training camp. But it's obvious he was in better shape. He fought at a much higher pace without getting tired, thats a fact.

But against calzaghe he fought at a very slow pace, had a ton of breaks, but still managed to get tired. This isn't rocket science.. all we're doing is putting facts together guys.

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Hopkins vs. Calzaghe Official Weigh In at Planet Hollywood Resort - Pictures - Zimbio

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I agree its absurd to suggest Hopkins didn't take the fight with Calzaghe as serious as the fight with Pavlik.

i think it just came down to Pavlik still being inexperienced and raw relatively speaking whilst Calzaghe is as seasoned and experienced as they come.

I guess you could make an argument that having Naseem Richardson back in his corner and organising a gameplan was a big help to Hopkins but even then at 43 I really don't think a trainer can a win or lose a fight for Bernard.

Calzaghe simply coped better with Hopkins style than Kelly did.

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Once again. I'm not saying he trained any less or any harder for the 2 fights - although that's very possible too. Nasims training regimen is different than Freddie Roaches - keep that in mind. All i'm saying is, it's obvious what night he was better conditioned.

The man fought at a slow pace against calzaghe with tons of breaks from low blows and clinches and was gassed. But last night he fought at an incredible pace and never got tired. You figure it out... call it drugs or something, but it's obvious he was better conditioned.

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Originally Posted by intoccabile

There can be a multitude of reasons. You can train the same for every fight but the body won't always recuperate the same speed or be in the same condition. I didn't say bhop trained less for Calzaghe than he did kelly, I'm just saying it's pretty obvious his body was in much better condition.

It's also very possible he kept himself in better shape before training camp than he did before the Calzaghe training camp. But it's obvious he was in better shape. He fought at a much higher pace without getting tired, thats a fact.

But against calzaghe he fought at a very slow pace, had a ton of breaks, but still managed to get tired. This isn't rocket science.. all we're doing is putting facts together guys.

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Different fighters look better against different opponents. Certainly if you saw Hopkins struggle with Taylor and compared that to the ass whupping Joe put on Jeff Lacy you would assume that Calzaghe on that night would piss all over Bernard.

Thing is boxing isn't as simple as that. as the tiresome old cliche goes 'styles make fights' and Pavlik simply couldn't cope with Hopkins style.

Calazghe himself had troubles early but he did what he has always been able to do and adjusted to control the fight in the late rounds.

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Originally Posted by intoccabile

There can be a multitude of reasons. You can train the same for every fight but the body won't always recuperate the same speed or be in the same condition. I didn't say bhop trained less for Calzaghe than he did kelly, I'm just saying it's pretty obvious his body was in much better condition.

It's also very possible he kept himself in better shape before training camp than he did before the Calzaghe training camp. But it's obvious he was in better shape. He fought at a much higher pace without getting tired, thats a fact.

But against calzaghe he fought at a very slow pace, had a ton of breaks, but still managed to get tired. This isn't rocket science.. all we're doing is putting facts together guys.

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Hopkins vs. Calzaghe Official Weigh In at Planet Hollywood Resort - Pictures - Zimbio

HBO: Boxing: PPV: Pavlik vs. Hopkins: OFFICIAL WEIGH-IN

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I had no idea pictures could show you if someones cardio is the same or not, rofl.
Do you run? train? workout of any sort?

Do you know what your good and bad days are?
You ever go running one day and do terrible in comparison to what you usually do and tell
yourself " whats wrong with me today? " Then bounce back strong the next?

Or you ever run one day and for some reason just never feel tired or just run more miles
than usual, but can't seem to do it the next?

The body is mysterious, isn't it?
Fighters often times have the same problem.
If you can barely WALK a mile one day.. then you can RUN a mile the next with no problems,
it's pretty obvious what day your lungs were the best fit for excercise.

Hopkins couldn't walk 7 rounds with plenty of breaks against calzaghe.
But he could run 12 rounds with no breaks against pavlik at a much heaviar
workrate. I'm done replying -.-; You fanboys are a mess.

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Originally Posted by intoccabile

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I agree its absurd to suggest Hopkins didn't take the fight with Calzaghe as serious as the fight with Pavlik.

i think it just came down to Pavlik still being inexperienced and raw relatively speaking whilst Calzaghe is as seasoned and experienced as they come.

I guess you could make an argument that having Naseem Richardson back in his corner and organising a gameplan was a big help to Hopkins but even then at 43 I really don't think a trainer can a win or lose a fight for Bernard.

Calzaghe simply coped better with Hopkins style than Kelly did.

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Once again. I'm not saying he trained any less or any harder for the 2 fights - although that's very possible too. Nasims training regimen is different than Freddie Roaches - keep that in mind. All i'm saying is, it's obvious what night he was better conditioned.

The man fought at a slow pace against calzaghe with tons of breaks from low blows and clinches and was gassed. But last night he fought at an incredible pace and never got tired. You figure it out... call it drugs or something, but it's obvious he was better conditioned.

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Calzaghe landed more than twice as many punches as Pavlik did against Hopkins, I'm sure that had something to do with his stamina.

Calzaghe forced the pace against Bernard, made him work and tired him out.

If you really think that at age 43 Hopkins has somehow found a way to reverse the ageing process and add some more bounce and stamina to his legs than in his previous fights then you're probably the kind of guy who would buy 'big dick' pills from the back of Hustler.

I think Hopkins looked great last night, but it was a combination of Pavlik being flat and fighting the worst fight of his career, and also Pavlik not being able to adapt to Hopkins style.

Calzaghe adapted and honestly I think if they fought again he'd beat Bernard easier next time, although it would still be a competitive fight as nobody has an easy night with B Hop

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by intoccabile

There can be a multitude of reasons. You can train the same for every fight but the body won't always recuperate the same speed or be in the same condition. I didn't say bhop trained less for Calzaghe than he did kelly, I'm just saying it's pretty obvious his body was in much better condition.

It's also very possible he kept himself in better shape before training camp than he did before the Calzaghe training camp. But it's obvious he was in better shape. He fought at a much higher pace without getting tired, thats a fact.

But against calzaghe he fought at a very slow pace, had a ton of breaks, but still managed to get tired. This isn't rocket science.. all we're doing is putting facts together guys.

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Different fighters look better against different opponents. Certainly if you saw Hopkins struggle with Taylor and compared that to the ass whupping Joe put on Jeff Lacy you would assume that Calzaghe on that night would piss all over Bernard.

Thing is boxing isn't as simple as that. as the tiresome old cliche goes 'styles make fights' and Pavlik simply couldn't cope with Hopkins style.

Calazghe himself had troubles early but he did what he has always been able to do and adjusted to control the fight in the late rounds.

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Im not talking about how they fought, bro.
That all fits in the category of styles. What i'm pointing at is that at a much slower pace hopkins got tired against Calzaghe.

But at a much higher pace he went 12 against pavlik. I'm not saying the outcome of the fight would have changed at all. Styles make fights, Calzaghe, IMO, has the style for a guy like bhop.

But Bhop fought at a much higher workrate against Pavlik without any breaks and didn't Gas. So, really, he should have Gassed against Pavlik, not against Calzaghe. But it was the other way around, and I don't get why.

Calzaghe was avoiding Pavlik according to most on here myself included and Pavlik was the man to beat Calzaghe. Pavlik beat a slick boxer in Jermain Taylor twice he demolished Edison Miranda he was on great form he was going to fight Hopkins he was going to KO him in most people's opinions or at least UD12. Hopkins puts on a masterclass makes Pavlik fight his fight constantly changing his angles putting shots together in 3's and 4's. But now Hopkins as beat him Pavlik is one dimensional he is overrated only fights in straight lines even though he cut the ring off very well in many of his other fights some of you guys make me laugh your opinions change in a heart beat. Rather than giving Hopkins the respect he deserves for 1. taking this fight in the first place and 2. beating this kid easy. But no Hopkins doesn't get the respect now it Calzaghe would have beat him easy and it makes Calzaghe's win look even better over Hopkins HOW? he only beat him on a debatable SD12 however you look at it.

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There can be a multitude of reasons. You can train the same for every fight but the body won't always recuperate the same speed or be in the same condition. I didn't say bhop trained less for Calzaghe than he did kelly, I'm just saying it's pretty obvious his body was in much better condition.

It's also very possible he kept himself in better shape before training camp than he did before the Calzaghe training camp. But it's obvious he was in better shape. He fought at a much higher pace without getting tired, thats a fact.

But against calzaghe he fought at a very slow pace, had a ton of breaks, but still managed to get tired. This isn't rocket science.. all we're doing is putting facts together guys.

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Hopkins vs. Calzaghe Official Weigh In at Planet Hollywood Resort - Pictures - Zimbio

HBO: Boxing: PPV: Pavlik vs. Hopkins: OFFICIAL WEIGH-IN

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I had no idea pictures could show you if someones cardio is the same or not, rofl.
Do you run? train? workout of any sort?

Do you know what your good and bad days are?
You ever go running one day and do terrible in comparison to what you usually do and tell
yourself " whats wrong with me today? " Then bounce back strong the next?

Or you ever run one day and for some reason just never feel tired or just run more miles
than usual, but can't seem to do it the next?

The body is mysterious, isn't it?
Fighters often times have the same problem.
If you can barely WALK a mile one day.. then you can RUN a mile the next with no problems,
it's pretty obvious what day your lungs were the best fit for excercise.

Hopkins couldn't walk 7 rounds with plenty of breaks against calzaghe.
But he could run 12 rounds with no breaks against pavlik at a much heaviar
workrate. I'm done replying -.-; You fanboys are a mess.

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Uhh your talking out your ass now and don't even try and be sarcastic with me. I actually do Amateur boxing and have had 4 fights, you said his body looked in better shape did you not ? i showed you the evidence which clearly shows his body looked no different.

And secondly im not even Joe Calzaghe fan so you can stop calling me a fan boy, the fact is Joe Calzaghe forced a much higher tempo fight based on Joe Calzaghe being more skilled fighter. Joe Calzaghe used angles, he has much faster handspeed, much faster footwork, and better variety of punches, basically a much better all round fighter than Kelly Pavlik.

Plus Joe Calzaghe threw 707 punches and Kelly Pavlik only threw 463, and amazingly Bernard Hopkins had a higher workrate against Kelly Pavlik, do you see what people are saying now ? Kelly Pavlik fought Bernard Hopkins slow pace kind of a fight never forcing him to work.

Where as Joe Calzaghe forced Bernard Hopkins too work much more, and disrupted Bernard Hopkins rhythm and trapped him on the ropes. Something Kelly Pavlik could never do in the entire fight, all your trying to do is try and discredit and take away Joe Calzaghe's win over Bernard Hopkins.

This nonsense about Bernard Hopkins radically training completely different or having a bad training schedule is what i just said nonsense. Bernard Hopkins has never ever come into a fight not completely 100 percent ready to fight, except for the fight with Segundo Mercado, because like i said he didn't get properly climatized to the high altitude. But Bernard Hopkins himself never made that excuse that he wasn't 100 percent against Joe Calzaghe so why should you ?

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Calzaghe was avoiding Pavlik according to most on here myself included and Pavlik was the man to beat Calzaghe. Pavlik beat a slick boxer in Jermain Taylor twice he demolished Edison Miranda he was on great form he was going to fight Hopkins he was going to KO him in most people's opinions or at least UD12. Hopkins puts on a masterclass makes Pavlik fight his fight constantly changing his angles putting shots together in 3's and 4's. But now Hopkins as beat him Pavlik is one dimensional he is overrated only fights in straight lines even though he cut the ring off very well in many of his other fights some of you guys make me laugh your opinions change in a heart beat. Rather than giving Hopkins the respect he deserves for 1. taking this fight in the first place and 2. beating this kid easy. But no Hopkins doesn't get the respect now it Calzaghe would have beat him easy and it makes Calzaghe's win look even better over Hopkins HOW? he only beat him on a debatable SD12 however you look at it.

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Because people are funny, I guess.
Vernon beats Mosely, Tarver beats Roy, etc etc.

Does that mean Tarver is a God now for Beating Roy when all those
other guys couldn't? No. So I don't see why suddenly when Bhop does something
then all credit is given to the guy who beat HIM. I think this board just has far too many Calzaghe fanboys.